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I'm looking for a word similar to "ineffable" but without the connotation of impossible to understand, just difficult to understand. This is my sentence so far, but I'd like to make it more concise:




To illustrate the [difficult to explain] concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.











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  • I’m a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning “difficult to explain” or “difficult to understand”?
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  • Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
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  • You’re looking for a word similar to “ineffable,” but “ineffable” means “too great to be explained or expressed in words,” not “too great to be understood.” But now you say you want a word meaning “difficult to understand.” Which is it?
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  • I marked a correct answer. Maybe I’m being obtuse, but i don’t see a significant difference between “difficult to explain” and “difficult to understand”. In my eyes, they’re synonymous.
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I'm looking for a word similar to "ineffable" but without the connotation of impossible to understand, just difficult to understand. This is my sentence so far, but I'd like to make it more concise:




To illustrate the [difficult to explain] concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.











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  • I’m a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning “difficult to explain” or “difficult to understand”?
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  • Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
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  • You’re looking for a word similar to “ineffable,” but “ineffable” means “too great to be explained or expressed in words,” not “too great to be understood.” But now you say you want a word meaning “difficult to understand.” Which is it?
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  • There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning “difficult to understand” or a word meaning “difficult to explain.”
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  • I marked a correct answer. Maybe I’m being obtuse, but i don’t see a significant difference between “difficult to explain” and “difficult to understand”. In my eyes, they’re synonymous.
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I'm looking for a word similar to "ineffable" but without the connotation of impossible to understand, just difficult to understand. This is my sentence so far, but I'd like to make it more concise:




To illustrate the [difficult to explain] concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.











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I'm looking for a word similar to "ineffable" but without the connotation of impossible to understand, just difficult to understand. This is my sentence so far, but I'd like to make it more concise:




To illustrate the [difficult to explain] concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.








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  • I’m a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning “difficult to explain” or “difficult to understand”?
    – The Wordsmith
    2 days ago










  • Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
    – Zaya
    2 days ago










  • You’re looking for a word similar to “ineffable,” but “ineffable” means “too great to be explained or expressed in words,” not “too great to be understood.” But now you say you want a word meaning “difficult to understand.” Which is it?
    – The Wordsmith
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  • There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning “difficult to understand” or a word meaning “difficult to explain.”
    – The Wordsmith
    yesterday










  • I marked a correct answer. Maybe I’m being obtuse, but i don’t see a significant difference between “difficult to explain” and “difficult to understand”. In my eyes, they’re synonymous.
    – Zaya
    yesterday

















  • I’m a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning “difficult to explain” or “difficult to understand”?
    – The Wordsmith
    2 days ago










  • Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
    – Zaya
    2 days ago










  • You’re looking for a word similar to “ineffable,” but “ineffable” means “too great to be explained or expressed in words,” not “too great to be understood.” But now you say you want a word meaning “difficult to understand.” Which is it?
    – The Wordsmith
    2 days ago











  • There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning “difficult to understand” or a word meaning “difficult to explain.”
    – The Wordsmith
    yesterday










  • I marked a correct answer. Maybe I’m being obtuse, but i don’t see a significant difference between “difficult to explain” and “difficult to understand”. In my eyes, they’re synonymous.
    – Zaya
    yesterday
















I’m a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning “difficult to explain” or “difficult to understand”?
– The Wordsmith
2 days ago




I’m a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning “difficult to explain” or “difficult to understand”?
– The Wordsmith
2 days ago












Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
– Zaya
2 days ago




Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
– Zaya
2 days ago












You’re looking for a word similar to “ineffable,” but “ineffable” means “too great to be explained or expressed in words,” not “too great to be understood.” But now you say you want a word meaning “difficult to understand.” Which is it?
– The Wordsmith
2 days ago





You’re looking for a word similar to “ineffable,” but “ineffable” means “too great to be explained or expressed in words,” not “too great to be understood.” But now you say you want a word meaning “difficult to understand.” Which is it?
– The Wordsmith
2 days ago













There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning “difficult to understand” or a word meaning “difficult to explain.”
– The Wordsmith
yesterday




There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning “difficult to understand” or a word meaning “difficult to explain.”
– The Wordsmith
yesterday












I marked a correct answer. Maybe I’m being obtuse, but i don’t see a significant difference between “difficult to explain” and “difficult to understand”. In my eyes, they’re synonymous.
– Zaya
yesterday





I marked a correct answer. Maybe I’m being obtuse, but i don’t see a significant difference between “difficult to explain” and “difficult to understand”. In my eyes, they’re synonymous.
– Zaya
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I think either ‘recondite’ or ‘abstruse’ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.



But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean “hard to explain”. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of ‘anatman’ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.



There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word ‘hygge’ is notoriously hard to define or explain.



I take it that Buddhist ‘anātta’ or ‘anatman’ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word ‘existence’ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).



So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.




The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.




However, I do not think you mean a ‘parable’, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an ‘analogy’.








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    In the given context, I would use elusive:




    To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
    Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;




    elusive




    1. Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).

    2. Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
      goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).

    American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language





    Examples of use from Google Books:




    It’s a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
    such questions as, "If I don’t have a self, who’s reading this
    sentence?"



    Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
    struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.



    ... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
    shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.



    The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
    doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.







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      I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus




      Abstruse Difficult to comprehend







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      How about Recondite?
      It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.






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        The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:




        To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.




        Intricate American Heritage



        adj




        1. Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.

        2. Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.



        See also the derivation:




        [Middle English, from Latin intrīcātus, past participle of intrīcāre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trīcae, perplexities, wiles.]







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          perplexing vocabulary.com



          adj




          lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity




          As in:




          To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
          Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
          pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.







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            Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).



            Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...




            “Substitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.”




            ... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,




            To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




            Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.



            There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.



            Another word is subtle:




            (especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.

            "his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"




            "Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:




            This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.




            The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.



            I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').




            Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:




            To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




            I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:



            • What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?

            • What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?

            • Why is the non-self doctrine taught?

            • What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?

            • How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?

            • What's the difference between non-self and death?

            • What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?

            • How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?

            • What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?

            • How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?

            Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".



            And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").



            The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.



            So again, maybe no adjective is better.



            "Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).




            I think I'd recommend "fundamental":



            • It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)

            • It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine

            • It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals

            • It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.

            It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.




            As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:



            • "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')

            • "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)

            • "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it


            • Simply "difficult":




              "To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."




              That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.



              Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".



            As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.



            Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.






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              Another common word would be obscure




              1. not readily understood or clearly expressed






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                It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.



                Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.



                Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.



                I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.




                abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ˈabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
                as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.



                ‘abstract concepts such as love or beauty’ More example
                sentencesSynonyms
                1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. ‘the novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attention’ More example sentencesSynonyms
                1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. ‘we have been discussing the problem in a very abstract manner’ More example
                sentencesSynonyms
                1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.







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                  To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.




                  abstruse adjective



                  he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
                  forward:
                  obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
                  recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
                  inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
                  over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
                  mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.




                  convoluted adjective



                  an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
                  labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
                  confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
                  informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
                  straightforward.




                  intricate adjective



                  intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
                  relationships between plants and animals:
                  complex, complicated,
                  convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
                  labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
                  ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
                  difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                  ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.




                  Taking simpler options:




                  complicated adjective



                  the complicated election rules: complex,
                  intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
                  knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
                  cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
                  bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
                  above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
                  easy, simple, straightforward.




                  complex adjective



                  1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
                  subject:
                  complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
                  elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
                  Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
                  thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                  ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
                  composite, compounded, multiplex.




                  They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!




                  straightforward adjective



                  1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
                  easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
                  sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
                  easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
                  cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
                  rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
                  Amer. informal
                  duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
                  snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
                  complicated, difficult.



                  2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
                  sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
                  direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
                  to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
                  informal
                  two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
                  ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.







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                    I think either ‘recondite’ or ‘abstruse’ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.



                    But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean “hard to explain”. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of ‘anatman’ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.



                    There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word ‘hygge’ is notoriously hard to define or explain.



                    I take it that Buddhist ‘anātta’ or ‘anatman’ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word ‘existence’ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).



                    So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.




                    The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.




                    However, I do not think you mean a ‘parable’, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an ‘analogy’.








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                      I think either ‘recondite’ or ‘abstruse’ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.



                      But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean “hard to explain”. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of ‘anatman’ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.



                      There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word ‘hygge’ is notoriously hard to define or explain.



                      I take it that Buddhist ‘anātta’ or ‘anatman’ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word ‘existence’ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).



                      So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.




                      The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.




                      However, I do not think you mean a ‘parable’, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an ‘analogy’.








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                        I think either ‘recondite’ or ‘abstruse’ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.



                        But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean “hard to explain”. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of ‘anatman’ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.



                        There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word ‘hygge’ is notoriously hard to define or explain.



                        I take it that Buddhist ‘anātta’ or ‘anatman’ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word ‘existence’ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).



                        So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.




                        The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.




                        However, I do not think you mean a ‘parable’, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an ‘analogy’.








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                        I think either ‘recondite’ or ‘abstruse’ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.



                        But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean “hard to explain”. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of ‘anatman’ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.



                        There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word ‘hygge’ is notoriously hard to define or explain.



                        I take it that Buddhist ‘anātta’ or ‘anatman’ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word ‘existence’ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).



                        So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.




                        The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.




                        However, I do not think you mean a ‘parable’, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an ‘analogy’.









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                            In the given context, I would use elusive:




                            To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
                            Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;




                            elusive




                            1. Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).

                            2. Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
                              goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).

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                            Examples of use from Google Books:




                            It’s a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
                            such questions as, "If I don’t have a self, who’s reading this
                            sentence?"



                            Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
                            struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.



                            ... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
                            shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.



                            The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
                            doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.







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                              In the given context, I would use elusive:




                              To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
                              Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;




                              elusive




                              1. Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).

                              2. Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
                                goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).

                              American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language





                              Examples of use from Google Books:




                              It’s a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
                              such questions as, "If I don’t have a self, who’s reading this
                              sentence?"



                              Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
                              struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.



                              ... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
                              shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.



                              The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
                              doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.







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                                In the given context, I would use elusive:




                                To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
                                Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;




                                elusive




                                1. Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).

                                2. Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
                                  goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).

                                American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language





                                Examples of use from Google Books:




                                It’s a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
                                such questions as, "If I don’t have a self, who’s reading this
                                sentence?"



                                Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
                                struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.



                                ... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
                                shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.



                                The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
                                doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.







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                                In the given context, I would use elusive:




                                To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
                                Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;




                                elusive




                                1. Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).

                                2. Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
                                  goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).

                                American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language





                                Examples of use from Google Books:




                                It’s a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
                                such questions as, "If I don’t have a self, who’s reading this
                                sentence?"



                                Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
                                struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.



                                ... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
                                shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.



                                The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
                                doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.








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                                    I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus




                                    Abstruse Difficult to comprehend







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                                    I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus




                                    Abstruse Difficult to comprehend







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                                    I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus




                                    Abstruse Difficult to comprehend







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                                    I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus




                                    Abstruse Difficult to comprehend








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                                    • "abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
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                                    • "abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
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                                    "abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
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                                    How about Recondite?
                                    It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.






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                                      How about Recondite?
                                      It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.






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                                        How about Recondite?
                                        It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.






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                                        How about Recondite?
                                        It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.







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                                            The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:




                                            To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.




                                            Intricate American Heritage



                                            adj




                                            1. Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.

                                            2. Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.



                                            See also the derivation:




                                            [Middle English, from Latin intrīcātus, past participle of intrīcāre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trīcae, perplexities, wiles.]







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                                              The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:




                                              To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.




                                              Intricate American Heritage



                                              adj




                                              1. Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.

                                              2. Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.



                                              See also the derivation:




                                              [Middle English, from Latin intrīcātus, past participle of intrīcāre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trīcae, perplexities, wiles.]







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                                                The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:




                                                To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.




                                                Intricate American Heritage



                                                adj




                                                1. Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.

                                                2. Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.



                                                See also the derivation:




                                                [Middle English, from Latin intrīcātus, past participle of intrīcāre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trīcae, perplexities, wiles.]







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                                                The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:




                                                To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.




                                                Intricate American Heritage



                                                adj




                                                1. Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.

                                                2. Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.



                                                See also the derivation:




                                                [Middle English, from Latin intrīcātus, past participle of intrīcāre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trīcae, perplexities, wiles.]








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                                                    perplexing vocabulary.com



                                                    adj




                                                    lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity




                                                    As in:




                                                    To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
                                                    Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
                                                    pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.







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                                                      adj




                                                      lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity




                                                      As in:




                                                      To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
                                                      Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
                                                      pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.







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                                                        adj




                                                        lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity




                                                        As in:




                                                        To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
                                                        Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
                                                        pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.







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                                                        perplexing vocabulary.com



                                                        adj




                                                        lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity




                                                        As in:




                                                        To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
                                                        Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
                                                        pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.








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                                                            Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).



                                                            Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...




                                                            “Substitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.”




                                                            ... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,




                                                            To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




                                                            Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.



                                                            There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.



                                                            Another word is subtle:




                                                            (especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.

                                                            "his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"




                                                            "Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:




                                                            This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.




                                                            The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.



                                                            I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').




                                                            Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:




                                                            To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




                                                            I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:



                                                            • What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?

                                                            • What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?

                                                            • Why is the non-self doctrine taught?

                                                            • What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?

                                                            • How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?

                                                            • What's the difference between non-self and death?

                                                            • What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?

                                                            • How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?

                                                            • What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?

                                                            • How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?

                                                            Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".



                                                            And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").



                                                            The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.



                                                            So again, maybe no adjective is better.



                                                            "Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).




                                                            I think I'd recommend "fundamental":



                                                            • It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)

                                                            • It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine

                                                            • It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals

                                                            • It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.

                                                            It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.




                                                            As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:



                                                            • "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')

                                                            • "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)

                                                            • "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it


                                                            • Simply "difficult":




                                                              "To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."




                                                              That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.



                                                              Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".



                                                            As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.



                                                            Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.






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                                                              Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).



                                                              Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...




                                                              “Substitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.”




                                                              ... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,




                                                              To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




                                                              Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.



                                                              There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.



                                                              Another word is subtle:




                                                              (especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.

                                                              "his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"




                                                              "Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:




                                                              This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.




                                                              The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.



                                                              I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').




                                                              Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:




                                                              To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




                                                              I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:



                                                              • What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?

                                                              • What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?

                                                              • Why is the non-self doctrine taught?

                                                              • What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?

                                                              • How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?

                                                              • What's the difference between non-self and death?

                                                              • What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?

                                                              • How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?

                                                              • What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?

                                                              • How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?

                                                              Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".



                                                              And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").



                                                              The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.



                                                              So again, maybe no adjective is better.



                                                              "Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).




                                                              I think I'd recommend "fundamental":



                                                              • It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)

                                                              • It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine

                                                              • It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals

                                                              • It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.

                                                              It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.




                                                              As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:



                                                              • "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')

                                                              • "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)

                                                              • "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it


                                                              • Simply "difficult":




                                                                "To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."




                                                                That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.



                                                                Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".



                                                              As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.



                                                              Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.






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                                                                Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).



                                                                Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...




                                                                “Substitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.”




                                                                ... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,




                                                                To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




                                                                Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.



                                                                There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.



                                                                Another word is subtle:




                                                                (especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.

                                                                "his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"




                                                                "Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:




                                                                This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.




                                                                The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.



                                                                I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').




                                                                Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:




                                                                To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




                                                                I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:



                                                                • What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?

                                                                • What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?

                                                                • Why is the non-self doctrine taught?

                                                                • What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?

                                                                • How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?

                                                                • What's the difference between non-self and death?

                                                                • What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?

                                                                • How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?

                                                                • What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?

                                                                • How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?

                                                                Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".



                                                                And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").



                                                                The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.



                                                                So again, maybe no adjective is better.



                                                                "Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).




                                                                I think I'd recommend "fundamental":



                                                                • It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)

                                                                • It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine

                                                                • It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals

                                                                • It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.

                                                                It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.




                                                                As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:



                                                                • "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')

                                                                • "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)

                                                                • "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it


                                                                • Simply "difficult":




                                                                  "To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."




                                                                  That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.



                                                                  Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".



                                                                As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.



                                                                Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.






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                                                                Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).



                                                                Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...




                                                                “Substitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.”




                                                                ... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,




                                                                To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




                                                                Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.



                                                                There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.



                                                                Another word is subtle:




                                                                (especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.

                                                                "his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"




                                                                "Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:




                                                                This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.




                                                                The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.



                                                                I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').




                                                                Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:




                                                                To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.




                                                                I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:



                                                                • What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?

                                                                • What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?

                                                                • Why is the non-self doctrine taught?

                                                                • What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?

                                                                • How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?

                                                                • What's the difference between non-self and death?

                                                                • What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?

                                                                • How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?

                                                                • What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?

                                                                • How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?

                                                                Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".



                                                                And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").



                                                                The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.



                                                                So again, maybe no adjective is better.



                                                                "Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).




                                                                I think I'd recommend "fundamental":



                                                                • It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)

                                                                • It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine

                                                                • It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals

                                                                • It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.

                                                                It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.




                                                                As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:



                                                                • "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')

                                                                • "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)

                                                                • "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it


                                                                • Simply "difficult":




                                                                  "To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."




                                                                  That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.



                                                                  Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".



                                                                As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.



                                                                Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.







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                                                                    1. not readily understood or clearly expressed






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                                                                            It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.



                                                                            Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.



                                                                            Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.



                                                                            I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.




                                                                            abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ˈabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
                                                                            as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.



                                                                            ‘abstract concepts such as love or beauty’ More example
                                                                            sentencesSynonyms
                                                                            1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. ‘the novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attention’ More example sentencesSynonyms
                                                                            1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. ‘we have been discussing the problem in a very abstract manner’ More example
                                                                            sentencesSynonyms
                                                                            1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.







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                                                                              It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.



                                                                              Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.



                                                                              Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.



                                                                              I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.




                                                                              abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ˈabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
                                                                              as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.



                                                                              ‘abstract concepts such as love or beauty’ More example
                                                                              sentencesSynonyms
                                                                              1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. ‘the novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attention’ More example sentencesSynonyms
                                                                              1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. ‘we have been discussing the problem in a very abstract manner’ More example
                                                                              sentencesSynonyms
                                                                              1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.







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                                                                                It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.



                                                                                Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.



                                                                                Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.



                                                                                I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.




                                                                                abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ˈabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
                                                                                as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.



                                                                                ‘abstract concepts such as love or beauty’ More example
                                                                                sentencesSynonyms
                                                                                1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. ‘the novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attention’ More example sentencesSynonyms
                                                                                1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. ‘we have been discussing the problem in a very abstract manner’ More example
                                                                                sentencesSynonyms
                                                                                1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.







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                                                                                It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.



                                                                                Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.



                                                                                Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.



                                                                                I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.




                                                                                abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ˈabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
                                                                                as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.



                                                                                ‘abstract concepts such as love or beauty’ More example
                                                                                sentencesSynonyms
                                                                                1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. ‘the novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attention’ More example sentencesSynonyms
                                                                                1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. ‘we have been discussing the problem in a very abstract manner’ More example
                                                                                sentencesSynonyms
                                                                                1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.








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                                                                                    To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.




                                                                                    abstruse adjective



                                                                                    he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
                                                                                    forward:
                                                                                    obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
                                                                                    recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
                                                                                    inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
                                                                                    over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
                                                                                    mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.




                                                                                    convoluted adjective



                                                                                    an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
                                                                                    labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
                                                                                    confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
                                                                                    informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
                                                                                    straightforward.




                                                                                    intricate adjective



                                                                                    intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
                                                                                    relationships between plants and animals:
                                                                                    complex, complicated,
                                                                                    convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
                                                                                    labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
                                                                                    ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
                                                                                    difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                                                                                    ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.




                                                                                    Taking simpler options:




                                                                                    complicated adjective



                                                                                    the complicated election rules: complex,
                                                                                    intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
                                                                                    knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
                                                                                    cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
                                                                                    bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
                                                                                    above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
                                                                                    easy, simple, straightforward.




                                                                                    complex adjective



                                                                                    1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
                                                                                    subject:
                                                                                    complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
                                                                                    elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
                                                                                    Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
                                                                                    thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                                                                                    ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
                                                                                    composite, compounded, multiplex.




                                                                                    They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!




                                                                                    straightforward adjective



                                                                                    1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
                                                                                    easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
                                                                                    sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
                                                                                    easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
                                                                                    cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
                                                                                    rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
                                                                                    Amer. informal
                                                                                    duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
                                                                                    snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
                                                                                    complicated, difficult.



                                                                                    2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
                                                                                    sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
                                                                                    direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
                                                                                    to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
                                                                                    informal
                                                                                    two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
                                                                                    ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.







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                                                                                      To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.




                                                                                      abstruse adjective



                                                                                      he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
                                                                                      forward:
                                                                                      obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
                                                                                      recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
                                                                                      inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
                                                                                      over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
                                                                                      mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.




                                                                                      convoluted adjective



                                                                                      an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
                                                                                      labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
                                                                                      confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
                                                                                      informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
                                                                                      straightforward.




                                                                                      intricate adjective



                                                                                      intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
                                                                                      relationships between plants and animals:
                                                                                      complex, complicated,
                                                                                      convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
                                                                                      labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
                                                                                      ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
                                                                                      difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                                                                                      ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.




                                                                                      Taking simpler options:




                                                                                      complicated adjective



                                                                                      the complicated election rules: complex,
                                                                                      intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
                                                                                      knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
                                                                                      cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
                                                                                      bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
                                                                                      above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
                                                                                      easy, simple, straightforward.




                                                                                      complex adjective



                                                                                      1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
                                                                                      subject:
                                                                                      complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
                                                                                      elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
                                                                                      Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
                                                                                      thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                                                                                      ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
                                                                                      composite, compounded, multiplex.




                                                                                      They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!




                                                                                      straightforward adjective



                                                                                      1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
                                                                                      easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
                                                                                      sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
                                                                                      easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
                                                                                      cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
                                                                                      rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
                                                                                      Amer. informal
                                                                                      duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
                                                                                      snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
                                                                                      complicated, difficult.



                                                                                      2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
                                                                                      sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
                                                                                      direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
                                                                                      to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
                                                                                      informal
                                                                                      two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
                                                                                      ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.







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                                                                                        To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.




                                                                                        abstruse adjective



                                                                                        he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
                                                                                        forward:
                                                                                        obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
                                                                                        recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
                                                                                        inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
                                                                                        over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
                                                                                        mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.




                                                                                        convoluted adjective



                                                                                        an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
                                                                                        labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
                                                                                        confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
                                                                                        informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
                                                                                        straightforward.




                                                                                        intricate adjective



                                                                                        intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
                                                                                        relationships between plants and animals:
                                                                                        complex, complicated,
                                                                                        convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
                                                                                        labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
                                                                                        ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
                                                                                        difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                                                                                        ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.




                                                                                        Taking simpler options:




                                                                                        complicated adjective



                                                                                        the complicated election rules: complex,
                                                                                        intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
                                                                                        knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
                                                                                        cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
                                                                                        bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
                                                                                        above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
                                                                                        easy, simple, straightforward.




                                                                                        complex adjective



                                                                                        1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
                                                                                        subject:
                                                                                        complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
                                                                                        elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
                                                                                        Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
                                                                                        thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                                                                                        ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
                                                                                        composite, compounded, multiplex.




                                                                                        They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!




                                                                                        straightforward adjective



                                                                                        1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
                                                                                        easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
                                                                                        sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
                                                                                        easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
                                                                                        cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
                                                                                        rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
                                                                                        Amer. informal
                                                                                        duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
                                                                                        snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
                                                                                        complicated, difficult.



                                                                                        2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
                                                                                        sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
                                                                                        direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
                                                                                        to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
                                                                                        informal
                                                                                        two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
                                                                                        ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.







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                                                                                        To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.




                                                                                        abstruse adjective



                                                                                        he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
                                                                                        forward:
                                                                                        obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
                                                                                        recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
                                                                                        inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
                                                                                        over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
                                                                                        mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.




                                                                                        convoluted adjective



                                                                                        an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
                                                                                        labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
                                                                                        confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
                                                                                        informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
                                                                                        straightforward.




                                                                                        intricate adjective



                                                                                        intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
                                                                                        relationships between plants and animals:
                                                                                        complex, complicated,
                                                                                        convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
                                                                                        labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
                                                                                        ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
                                                                                        difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                                                                                        ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.




                                                                                        Taking simpler options:




                                                                                        complicated adjective



                                                                                        the complicated election rules: complex,
                                                                                        intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
                                                                                        knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
                                                                                        cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
                                                                                        bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
                                                                                        above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
                                                                                        easy, simple, straightforward.




                                                                                        complex adjective



                                                                                        1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
                                                                                        subject:
                                                                                        complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
                                                                                        elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
                                                                                        Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
                                                                                        thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
                                                                                        ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
                                                                                        composite, compounded, multiplex.




                                                                                        They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!




                                                                                        straightforward adjective



                                                                                        1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
                                                                                        easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
                                                                                        sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
                                                                                        easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
                                                                                        cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
                                                                                        rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
                                                                                        Amer. informal
                                                                                        duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
                                                                                        snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
                                                                                        complicated, difficult.



                                                                                        2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
                                                                                        sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
                                                                                        direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
                                                                                        to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
                                                                                        informal
                                                                                        two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
                                                                                        ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.








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