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I'm looking for a word similar to "ineffable" but without the connotation of impossible to understand, just difficult to understand. This is my sentence so far, but I'd like to make it more concise:
To illustrate the [difficult to explain] concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
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I'm looking for a word similar to "ineffable" but without the connotation of impossible to understand, just difficult to understand. This is my sentence so far, but I'd like to make it more concise:
To illustrate the [difficult to explain] concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
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IâÂÂm a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explainâ or âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ?
â The Wordsmith
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Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
â Zaya
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YouâÂÂre looking for a word similar to âÂÂineffable,â but âÂÂineffableâ means âÂÂtoo great to be explained or expressed in words,â not âÂÂtoo great to be understood.â But now you say you want a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understand.â Which is it?
â The Wordsmith
2 days ago
There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understandâ or a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explain.âÂÂ
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I marked a correct answer. Maybe IâÂÂm being obtuse, but i donâÂÂt see a significant difference between âÂÂdifficult to explainâ and âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ. In my eyes, theyâÂÂre synonymous.
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I'm looking for a word similar to "ineffable" but without the connotation of impossible to understand, just difficult to understand. This is my sentence so far, but I'd like to make it more concise:
To illustrate the [difficult to explain] concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
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I'm looking for a word similar to "ineffable" but without the connotation of impossible to understand, just difficult to understand. This is my sentence so far, but I'd like to make it more concise:
To illustrate the [difficult to explain] concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
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IâÂÂm a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explainâ or âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ?
â The Wordsmith
2 days ago
Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
â Zaya
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YouâÂÂre looking for a word similar to âÂÂineffable,â but âÂÂineffableâ means âÂÂtoo great to be explained or expressed in words,â not âÂÂtoo great to be understood.â But now you say you want a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understand.â Which is it?
â The Wordsmith
2 days ago
There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understandâ or a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explain.âÂÂ
â The Wordsmith
yesterday
I marked a correct answer. Maybe IâÂÂm being obtuse, but i donâÂÂt see a significant difference between âÂÂdifficult to explainâ and âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ. In my eyes, theyâÂÂre synonymous.
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IâÂÂm a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explainâ or âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ?
â The Wordsmith
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Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
â Zaya
2 days ago
YouâÂÂre looking for a word similar to âÂÂineffable,â but âÂÂineffableâ means âÂÂtoo great to be explained or expressed in words,â not âÂÂtoo great to be understood.â But now you say you want a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understand.â Which is it?
â The Wordsmith
2 days ago
There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understandâ or a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explain.âÂÂ
â The Wordsmith
yesterday
I marked a correct answer. Maybe IâÂÂm being obtuse, but i donâÂÂt see a significant difference between âÂÂdifficult to explainâ and âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ. In my eyes, theyâÂÂre synonymous.
â Zaya
yesterday
IâÂÂm a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explainâ or âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ?
â The Wordsmith
2 days ago
IâÂÂm a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explainâ or âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ?
â The Wordsmith
2 days ago
Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
â Zaya
2 days ago
Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
â Zaya
2 days ago
YouâÂÂre looking for a word similar to âÂÂineffable,â but âÂÂineffableâ means âÂÂtoo great to be explained or expressed in words,â not âÂÂtoo great to be understood.â But now you say you want a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understand.â Which is it?
â The Wordsmith
2 days ago
YouâÂÂre looking for a word similar to âÂÂineffable,â but âÂÂineffableâ means âÂÂtoo great to be explained or expressed in words,â not âÂÂtoo great to be understood.â But now you say you want a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understand.â Which is it?
â The Wordsmith
2 days ago
There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understandâ or a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explain.âÂÂ
â The Wordsmith
yesterday
There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understandâ or a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explain.âÂÂ
â The Wordsmith
yesterday
I marked a correct answer. Maybe IâÂÂm being obtuse, but i donâÂÂt see a significant difference between âÂÂdifficult to explainâ and âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ. In my eyes, theyâÂÂre synonymous.
â Zaya
yesterday
I marked a correct answer. Maybe IâÂÂm being obtuse, but i donâÂÂt see a significant difference between âÂÂdifficult to explainâ and âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ. In my eyes, theyâÂÂre synonymous.
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I think either âÂÂreconditeâ or âÂÂabstruseâ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.
But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean âÂÂhard to explainâÂÂ. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of âÂÂanatmanâ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.
There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word âÂÂhyggeâ is notoriously hard to define or explain.
I take it that Buddhist âÂÂanÃÂttaâ or âÂÂanatmanâ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word âÂÂexistenceâ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).
So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.
The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.
However, I do not think you mean a âÂÂparableâÂÂ, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an âÂÂanalogyâÂÂ.
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In the given context, I would use elusive:
To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;
elusive
- Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).
- Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).
American Heritageî Dictionary of the English Language
Examples of use from Google Books:
ItâÂÂs a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
such questions as, "If I donâÂÂt have a self, whoâÂÂs reading this
sentence?"
Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.
... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.
The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.
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I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus
Abstruse Difficult to comprehend
"abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
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How about Recondite?
It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.
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The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:
To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
Intricate American Heritage
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- Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.
- Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.
See also the derivation:
[Middle English, from Latin intrëcÃÂtus, past participle of intrëcÃÂre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trëcae, perplexities, wiles.]
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perplexing vocabulary.com
adj
lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity
As in:
To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
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Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).
Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...
âÂÂSubstitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.âÂÂ
... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,
To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.
There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.
Another word is subtle:
(especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.
"his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"
"Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:
This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.
The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.
I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').
Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:
To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:
- What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?
- What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?
- Why is the non-self doctrine taught?
- What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?
- How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?
- What's the difference between non-self and death?
- What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?
- How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?
- What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?
- How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?
Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".
And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").
The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.
So again, maybe no adjective is better.
"Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).
I think I'd recommend "fundamental":
- It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)
- It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine
- It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals
- It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.
It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.
As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:
- "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')
- "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)
- "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it
Simply "difficult":
"To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."
That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.
Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".
As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.
Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.
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Another common word would be obscure
- not readily understood or clearly expressed
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It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.
Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.
Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.
I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.
abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ÃÂabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.
âÂÂabstract concepts such as love or beautyâ More example
sentencesSynonyms
1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. âÂÂthe novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attentionâ More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. âÂÂwe have been discussing the problem in a very abstract mannerâ More example
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1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.
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To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.
abstruse adjective
he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
forward: obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.
convoluted adjective
an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
straightforward.
intricate adjective
intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
relationships between plants and animals: complex, complicated,
convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.
Taking simpler options:
complicated adjective
the complicated election rules: complex,
intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
easy, simple, straightforward.
complex adjective
1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
subject: complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
composite, compounded, multiplex.
They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!
straightforward adjective
1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
Amer. informal duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
complicated, difficult.
2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
informal two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.
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I think either âÂÂreconditeâ or âÂÂabstruseâ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.
But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean âÂÂhard to explainâÂÂ. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of âÂÂanatmanâ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.
There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word âÂÂhyggeâ is notoriously hard to define or explain.
I take it that Buddhist âÂÂanÃÂttaâ or âÂÂanatmanâ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word âÂÂexistenceâ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).
So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.
The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.
However, I do not think you mean a âÂÂparableâÂÂ, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an âÂÂanalogyâÂÂ.
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I think either âÂÂreconditeâ or âÂÂabstruseâ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.
But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean âÂÂhard to explainâÂÂ. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of âÂÂanatmanâ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.
There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word âÂÂhyggeâ is notoriously hard to define or explain.
I take it that Buddhist âÂÂanÃÂttaâ or âÂÂanatmanâ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word âÂÂexistenceâ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).
So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.
The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.
However, I do not think you mean a âÂÂparableâÂÂ, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an âÂÂanalogyâÂÂ.
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I think either âÂÂreconditeâ or âÂÂabstruseâ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.
But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean âÂÂhard to explainâÂÂ. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of âÂÂanatmanâ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.
There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word âÂÂhyggeâ is notoriously hard to define or explain.
I take it that Buddhist âÂÂanÃÂttaâ or âÂÂanatmanâ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word âÂÂexistenceâ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).
So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.
The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.
However, I do not think you mean a âÂÂparableâÂÂ, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an âÂÂanalogyâÂÂ.
I think either âÂÂreconditeâ or âÂÂabstruseâ are very good words for something hard to understand (or which is little know except to the very knowledgeable or learned). So I up-voted both of these.
But I have the impression that Zaya really does mean âÂÂhard to explainâÂÂ. That is why Zaya offers not a definition or explanation of âÂÂanatmanâ (which should, by the way, be placed in italic or single quotation marks) but a parable.
There are some words, especially where they relate to unfamiliar languages and cultures, for which no English word or combination of words will do. So the Norwegian word âÂÂhyggeâ is notoriously hard to define or explain.
I take it that Buddhist âÂÂanÃÂttaâ or âÂÂanatmanâ is the problem. From the explanation I looked up, we are into the difficult realms of the non-existence of the self. It is hard to explain because it is counter-intuitive. This, in turn is because the word âÂÂexistenceâ is being used in a rather special sense, which the parable seems to explain rather well (or at least to make sense to this inexpert reader).
So my suggestion, for what it is worth) is to rephrase the sentence.
The concept of anatman is hard (impossible) to explain, so I shall use a parable.
However, I do not think you mean a âÂÂparableâÂÂ, which is an explanatory story. I think you mean an âÂÂanalogyâÂÂ.
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In the given context, I would use elusive:
To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;
elusive
- Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).
- Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).
American Heritageî Dictionary of the English Language
Examples of use from Google Books:
ItâÂÂs a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
such questions as, "If I donâÂÂt have a self, whoâÂÂs reading this
sentence?"
Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.
... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.
The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.
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In the given context, I would use elusive:
To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;
elusive
- Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).
- Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).
American Heritageî Dictionary of the English Language
Examples of use from Google Books:
ItâÂÂs a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
such questions as, "If I donâÂÂt have a self, whoâÂÂs reading this
sentence?"
Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.
... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.
The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.
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In the given context, I would use elusive:
To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;
elusive
- Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).
- Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).
American Heritageî Dictionary of the English Language
Examples of use from Google Books:
ItâÂÂs a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
such questions as, "If I donâÂÂt have a self, whoâÂÂs reading this
sentence?"
Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.
... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.
The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.
In the given context, I would use elusive:
To illustrate the elusive concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot;
elusive
- Tending to elude capture, perception, comprehension, or memory: "an invisible cabal of conspirators, each more elusive than the archterrorist [himself]" (David Kline).
- Difficult to define or describe: "Failures are more finely etched in our minds than triumphs, and success is an elusive, if not mythic,
goal in our demanding society" (Hugh Drummond).
American Heritageî Dictionary of the English Language
Examples of use from Google Books:
ItâÂÂs a notoriously puzzling and elusive concept, usually leading to
such questions as, "If I donâÂÂt have a self, whoâÂÂs reading this
sentence?"
Furthermore, this work depicts not a pastoral scene, but the fierce
struggle between man and the elusive concept of Buddha nature.
... the vast body of literature that brought the elusive concept of
shunyata (emptiness) to the forefront of Buddhist practice and belief.
The idea of Nirvana is the most important part of the Buddha's
doctrine, it is also a most elusive concept.
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I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus
Abstruse Difficult to comprehend
"abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
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I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus
Abstruse Difficult to comprehend
"abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
â ChrisW
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I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus
Abstruse Difficult to comprehend
I found a perfect word after putting 'mysterious' into a thesaurus
Abstruse Difficult to comprehend
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"abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
â ChrisW
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"abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
â ChrisW
yesterday
"abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
â ChrisW
yesterday
"abstruse" may be insulting -- it implies obscurantism and obfuscation
â ChrisW
yesterday
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How about Recondite?
It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.
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How about Recondite?
It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.
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How about Recondite?
It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.
How about Recondite?
It's usually used in the context of something that is difficult for people without good knowledge in the subject to understand.
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The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:
To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
Intricate American Heritage
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- Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.
- Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.
See also the derivation:
[Middle English, from Latin intrëcÃÂtus, past participle of intrëcÃÂre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trëcae, perplexities, wiles.]
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The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:
To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
Intricate American Heritage
adj
- Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.
- Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.
See also the derivation:
[Middle English, from Latin intrëcÃÂtus, past participle of intrëcÃÂre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trëcae, perplexities, wiles.]
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The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:
To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
Intricate American Heritage
adj
- Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.
- Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.
See also the derivation:
[Middle English, from Latin intrëcÃÂtus, past participle of intrëcÃÂre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trëcae, perplexities, wiles.]
The image of the chariot as a "mechanism" (i.e. both the sum of its pieces and something more), suggests the word intricate:
To illustrate the intricate concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
Intricate American Heritage
adj
- Having many complexly arranged elements; elaborate: an intricate pattern; an intricate procedure.
- Difficult to understand, analyze, or solve for having many interconnected elements.
See also the derivation:
[Middle English, from Latin intrëcÃÂtus, past participle of intrëcÃÂre, to entangle, perplex : in-, in; see IN-2 + trëcae, perplexities, wiles.]
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perplexing vocabulary.com
adj
lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity
As in:
To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
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perplexing vocabulary.com
adj
lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity
As in:
To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
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perplexing vocabulary.com
adj
lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity
As in:
To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
perplexing vocabulary.com
adj
lacking clarity of meaning; causing confusion or perplexity
As in:
To illustrate the perplexing concept of anatman, the parable of
Nagasena and the King likens the mind to a chariot; a chariot is not a
pole, nor a wheel, it is the sum total of its parts.
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Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).
Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...
âÂÂSubstitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.âÂÂ
... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,
To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.
There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.
Another word is subtle:
(especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.
"his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"
"Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:
This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.
The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.
I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').
Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:
To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:
- What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?
- What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?
- Why is the non-self doctrine taught?
- What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?
- How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?
- What's the difference between non-self and death?
- What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?
- How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?
- What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?
- How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?
Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".
And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").
The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.
So again, maybe no adjective is better.
"Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).
I think I'd recommend "fundamental":
- It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)
- It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine
- It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals
- It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.
It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.
As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:
- "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')
- "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)
- "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it
Simply "difficult":
"To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."
That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.
Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".
As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.
Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.
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Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).
Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...
âÂÂSubstitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.âÂÂ
... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,
To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.
There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.
Another word is subtle:
(especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.
"his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"
"Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:
This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.
The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.
I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').
Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:
To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:
- What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?
- What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?
- Why is the non-self doctrine taught?
- What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?
- How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?
- What's the difference between non-self and death?
- What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?
- How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?
- What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?
- How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?
Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".
And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").
The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.
So again, maybe no adjective is better.
"Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).
I think I'd recommend "fundamental":
- It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)
- It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine
- It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals
- It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.
It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.
As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:
- "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')
- "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)
- "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it
Simply "difficult":
"To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."
That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.
Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".
As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.
Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.
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Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).
Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...
âÂÂSubstitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.âÂÂ
... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,
To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.
There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.
Another word is subtle:
(especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.
"his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"
"Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:
This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.
The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.
I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').
Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:
To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:
- What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?
- What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?
- Why is the non-self doctrine taught?
- What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?
- How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?
- What's the difference between non-self and death?
- What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?
- How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?
- What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?
- How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?
Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".
And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").
The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.
So again, maybe no adjective is better.
"Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).
I think I'd recommend "fundamental":
- It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)
- It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine
- It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals
- It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.
It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.
As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:
- "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')
- "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)
- "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it
Simply "difficult":
"To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."
That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.
Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".
As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.
Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.
Be careful -- in general I'm inclined to agree with "elusive", however it implies that the concept is likely to elude the reader -- which isn't the message that you want to convey (when explaining Dharma).
Remembering the advice attributed to Twain, i.e. ...
âÂÂSubstitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.âÂÂ
... I'd recommend you don't use an adjective in that sentence, and say instead,
To illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
Also I think you're misquoting the parable slightly, or not paraphrasing it carefully.
There's an idiomatic phrase, "oft misunderstood", which might be applicable to what you're asking, i.e. meaning "difficult to understand". Perhaps that's professorial though, or something -- the word "oft" is archaic, so you might prefer "often", but "oft" can be used in this context.
Another word is subtle:
(especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyse or describe.
"his language expresses rich and subtle meanings"
"Subtle" (and "deep") are used in this translation:
This principle I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful, sublime, beyond the scope of reason, subtle, comprehensible to the astute.
The dictionary also suggests "difficult" but (again) that may be a turn-off, pedagogically speaking.
I like 'subtle' because it implies 'precise' (but dislike it because it implies 'slight').
Also I think that it's not difficult to explain (is it?), but only long -- there's a lot to explain. I wonder if there's a concise word for "tip of the iceberg" but I don't think so, so maybe rephrase the sentence as:
To begin to illustrate the concept of anatman, the parable of Nagasena etc.
I say it (i.e. the non-self doctrine) is "long" because I think it includes the following topics:
- What is "self" (or "Self"), i.e. atta or atman?
- What are the "five aggregates" (which aren't self)?
- Why is the non-self doctrine taught?
- What about the "person" (the subject Nagasena was discussing)?
- How is the non-self doctrine compatible with morality, karma, and social relations?
- What's the difference between non-self and death?
- What about pride, conceit? And possessions? What about "grasping" or "attachment"?
- How (if at all) does it relate to the doctrine on "emptiness" (sunyata)?
- What's significant about the phrase "in dependence on" (used in Nagasena's explanation)?
- How does that relate to nirvana (which is a.k.a. "the deathless")?
Instead of "long" it might be called "deep" (as above). Borrowing vocabulary from mathematics it could be called "non-trivial" i.e. "Not obvious or easy to prove" ... the opposite of "facile".
And an antonym of "facile" is "profound" -- so I suppose "profound" would be good adjective (echoing "deep").
The one problem with "profound" is pedagogical again -- i.e. not that it's an inaccurate description but that it sounds self-important or overblown.
So again, maybe no adjective is better.
"Important" might work, i.e. it might be true (it includes three meanings -- necessary, large, and valuable) and have a right effect on the audience; but I've read "important" described as a "dusty word" (which I think means overused, overgrown, overlooked, imprecise -- a placeholder for lack of a better word).
I think I'd recommend "fundamental":
- It implies "deep" and "profound" (both mentioned above)
- It implies "necessary" -- i.e. you must understand it, because it supports or informs subsequent doctrine
- It implies that what's being taught is "new", to the audience -- when you teach the fundamentals of a subject you're typically teaching a new subject, starting with the fundamentals
- It implies that this may be introductory explanation -- when something is fundamental you can expect subsequent explanations of what it's a fundament of.
It's also historically accurate, e.g. it matches the fact that the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta was one of the first suttas that the Buddha spoke, and, a doctrine which is said to be shared by all schools of Buddhism.
As for "difficult to understand" (rather than, to explain), some possibilities include:
- "Counter-intuitive" (assuming that most people naturally and 'intuitively' have a 'self-view')
- "New" or "novel" (assuming that whatever is new is difficult)
- "Paradoxical" or "seemingly paradoxical" (e.g. "What do you mean, 'non self'?! Who am I talking to then, and who is talking?"), however that sounds like criticism of it
Simply "difficult":
"To illustrate the difficult concept of anatman, etc."
That (wisely perhaps) says little about why it's difficult.
Also it may be your best bet, e.g. if you're unclear whether you mean "difficult to explain" or "difficult to understand".
As I said though I'd beware of (I'd avoid) describing the dharma as difficult (because it's meant to be visible and 'inviting' and so on). I suppose that a teacher should (and that the Buddha did) match their explanation to the audience -- but I suppose that's harder when writing than in face to face dialog.
Also FYI I think it's canonically described as "difficult to explain" (or "to teach") rather than "difficult to understand" (see e.g. pratyekabuddha, and e.g. the udayi sutta) -- though also "hard to see" e.g. in MN 26 quoted above.
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Another common word would be obscure
- not readily understood or clearly expressed
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Another common word would be obscure
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Another common word would be obscure
- not readily understood or clearly expressed
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It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.
Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.
Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.
I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.
abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ÃÂabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.
âÂÂabstract concepts such as love or beautyâ More example
sentencesSynonyms
1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. âÂÂthe novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attentionâ More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. âÂÂwe have been discussing the problem in a very abstract mannerâ More example
sentencesSynonyms
1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.
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It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.
Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.
Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.
I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.
abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ÃÂabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.
âÂÂabstract concepts such as love or beautyâ More example
sentencesSynonyms
1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. âÂÂthe novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attentionâ More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. âÂÂwe have been discussing the problem in a very abstract mannerâ More example
sentencesSynonyms
1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.
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It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.
Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.
Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.
I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.
abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ÃÂabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.
âÂÂabstract concepts such as love or beautyâ More example
sentencesSynonyms
1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. âÂÂthe novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attentionâ More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. âÂÂwe have been discussing the problem in a very abstract mannerâ More example
sentencesSynonyms
1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.
It sounds like you are after something very specific in that the concept is difficult to comprehend not so much because it is complex or obscure but that it is abstract relative to common experience.
Equally you probably don't want to start introducing uncommon vocabulary when trying to explain an already difficult concept.
Personally I woudl use a word like difficult, challenging or abstract Presumably you are going to go on to explain the concept itself so a concise but obscure single word may be a bit redundant and unhelpful.
I would favour abstract is the literal meaning is pretty close and gets peopel thinking along the right lines while being a bit more positive than some synonym for difficult or complex.
abstract ADJECTIVE Pronunciation /ÃÂabstrakt/ 1Existing in thought or
as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.
âÂÂabstract concepts such as love or beautyâ More example
sentencesSynonyms
1.1 Dealing with ideas rather than events. âÂÂthe novel was too abstract and esoteric to sustain much attentionâ More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 Not based on a particular instance; theoretical. âÂÂwe have been discussing the problem in a very abstract mannerâ More example
sentencesSynonyms
1.3 (of a noun) denoting an idea, quality, or state rather than a concrete object.
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To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.
abstruse adjective
he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
forward: obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.
convoluted adjective
an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
straightforward.
intricate adjective
intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
relationships between plants and animals: complex, complicated,
convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.
Taking simpler options:
complicated adjective
the complicated election rules: complex,
intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
easy, simple, straightforward.
complex adjective
1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
subject: complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
composite, compounded, multiplex.
They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!
straightforward adjective
1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
Amer. informal duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
complicated, difficult.
2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
informal two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.
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To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.
abstruse adjective
he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
forward: obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.
convoluted adjective
an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
straightforward.
intricate adjective
intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
relationships between plants and animals: complex, complicated,
convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.
Taking simpler options:
complicated adjective
the complicated election rules: complex,
intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
easy, simple, straightforward.
complex adjective
1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
subject: complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
composite, compounded, multiplex.
They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!
straightforward adjective
1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
Amer. informal duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
complicated, difficult.
2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
informal two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.
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To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.
abstruse adjective
he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
forward: obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.
convoluted adjective
an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
straightforward.
intricate adjective
intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
relationships between plants and animals: complex, complicated,
convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.
Taking simpler options:
complicated adjective
the complicated election rules: complex,
intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
easy, simple, straightforward.
complex adjective
1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
subject: complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
composite, compounded, multiplex.
They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!
straightforward adjective
1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
Amer. informal duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
complicated, difficult.
2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
informal two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.
To give more options to the already suggested ideas, let's dig up Oxford Thesaurus of English.
abstruse adjective
he was unable to follow the abstruse arguments put
forward: obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied,
recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic,
inscrutable, cryptic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved,
over/above one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable,
mysterious; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS clear, obvious.
convoluted adjective
an extraordinarily convoluted narrative: complicated, complex, involved, intricate, elaborate, impenetrable, serpentine,
labyrinthine, tortuous, tangled, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian;
confused, confusing, bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing;
informal fiddly, plotty; rare involute. ANTONYMS simple,
straightforward.
intricate adjective
intricate Arabic patterns | the intricate
relationships between plants and animals: complex, complicated,
convoluted, tangled, entangled, ravelled, twisted, knotty, maze-like,
labyrinthine, winding, serpentine, circuitous, sinuous; elaborate,
ornate, detailed; Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian, involved, mixed up,
difficult, hard; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward.
Taking simpler options:
complicated adjective
the complicated election rules: complex,
intricate, involved, convoluted, tangled, elaborate, impenetrable,
knotty, tricky, thorny, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous,
cumbersome, Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; confused, confusing,
bewildering, baffling, puzzling, perplexing, difficult to understand,
above one's head; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted. ANTONYMS
easy, simple, straightforward.
complex adjective
1 a complex situation | criminal law is an extremely complex
subject: complicated, involved, intricate, convoluted, tangled,
elaborate, serpentine, labyrinthine, tortuous, impenetrable,
Byzantine, Daedalian, Gordian; difficult, hard, knotty, tricky,
thorny, problematical; informal fiddly; rare involute, involuted.
ANTONYMS simple, straightforward. 2 a complex structure: compound,
composite, compounded, multiplex.
They are all suggesting similar words, but there are some fine differences. Lastly, let's switch sides!
straightforward adjective
1 the process was remarkably straightforward: uncomplicated, simple,
easy, effortless, painless, undemanding, unexacting; elementary, plain
sailing, a five-finger exercise, child's play; routine; informal as
easy as falling off a log, as easy as pie, as easy as ABC, a piece of
cake, a cinch, a snip, easy-peasy, no sweat, a doddle, money for old
rope, money for jam, kids' stuff, a breeze, a doss, a cakewalk; N.
Amer. informal duck soup, a snap; Austral./NZ informal a bludge, a
snack; S. African informal a piece of old tackle. ANTONYMS
complicated, difficult.
2 a straightforward man: honest, frank, candid, open, truthful,
sincere, on the level, honest-to-goodness; forthright, plain-speaking,
direct, unambiguous, straight from the shoulder, downright, not afraid
to call a spade a spade; informal upfront, on the square; N. Amer.
informal two-fisted, on the up and up; archaic free-spoken, round.
ANTONYMS evasive, guarded, disingenuous.
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IâÂÂm a little confused: Are you asking for a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explainâ or âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ?
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Good question, in the context of the paper, I think "difficult to understand" is better.
â Zaya
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YouâÂÂre looking for a word similar to âÂÂineffable,â but âÂÂineffableâ means âÂÂtoo great to be explained or expressed in words,â not âÂÂtoo great to be understood.â But now you say you want a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understand.â Which is it?
â The Wordsmith
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There are eight answers here, but none of those answerers know what the OP wants: A word meaning âÂÂdifficult to understandâ or a word meaning âÂÂdifficult to explain.âÂÂ
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I marked a correct answer. Maybe IâÂÂm being obtuse, but i donâÂÂt see a significant difference between âÂÂdifficult to explainâ and âÂÂdifficult to understandâÂÂ. In my eyes, theyâÂÂre synonymous.
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