Solving system of ODE with initial value problem (IVP)
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I have a question about a system of ODE.
If we have:
$fracdxdt=x+2y$
$fracdydt=3x+2y$
with $x(0)=6$ and $y(0)=4$,
how come the solution to the IVP is:
$x(t)=4e^4t+2e^-t$
$y(t)=6e^4t-2e^-t$
I tried doing integral by separating the variable but I didn't get that solution. That example & solution are from my numerical method book, please see the attached image
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I have a question about a system of ODE.
If we have:
$fracdxdt=x+2y$
$fracdydt=3x+2y$
with $x(0)=6$ and $y(0)=4$,
how come the solution to the IVP is:
$x(t)=4e^4t+2e^-t$
$y(t)=6e^4t-2e^-t$
I tried doing integral by separating the variable but I didn't get that solution. That example & solution are from my numerical method book, please see the attached image
example & solution
differential-equations differential
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What was your solution?
â Neo
yesterday
$x(t)+2y(t)=14e^t$ and $3x(t)+2y(t)=26e^t$ I cannot get $e^4t$ or $e^-t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
How did you go about getting these numbers?
â Neo
yesterday
For example for $dx/dt$, I separate the variable and use integral, that gives me $ln|x+2y|=t+c_1$. Then I changed the form to $e$, which gives me $x+2y=e^t+c_1$. Then it becomes $x+2y=e^tec_1$, where $e^c_1=C_1$ (a constant).
â JIM BOY
yesterday
That is incorrect, as the derivative of the equation does not match what you started with.
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I have a question about a system of ODE.
If we have:
$fracdxdt=x+2y$
$fracdydt=3x+2y$
with $x(0)=6$ and $y(0)=4$,
how come the solution to the IVP is:
$x(t)=4e^4t+2e^-t$
$y(t)=6e^4t-2e^-t$
I tried doing integral by separating the variable but I didn't get that solution. That example & solution are from my numerical method book, please see the attached image
example & solution
differential-equations differential
New contributor
I have a question about a system of ODE.
If we have:
$fracdxdt=x+2y$
$fracdydt=3x+2y$
with $x(0)=6$ and $y(0)=4$,
how come the solution to the IVP is:
$x(t)=4e^4t+2e^-t$
$y(t)=6e^4t-2e^-t$
I tried doing integral by separating the variable but I didn't get that solution. That example & solution are from my numerical method book, please see the attached image
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What was your solution?
â Neo
yesterday
$x(t)+2y(t)=14e^t$ and $3x(t)+2y(t)=26e^t$ I cannot get $e^4t$ or $e^-t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
How did you go about getting these numbers?
â Neo
yesterday
For example for $dx/dt$, I separate the variable and use integral, that gives me $ln|x+2y|=t+c_1$. Then I changed the form to $e$, which gives me $x+2y=e^t+c_1$. Then it becomes $x+2y=e^tec_1$, where $e^c_1=C_1$ (a constant).
â JIM BOY
yesterday
That is incorrect, as the derivative of the equation does not match what you started with.
â Neo
yesterday
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What was your solution?
â Neo
yesterday
$x(t)+2y(t)=14e^t$ and $3x(t)+2y(t)=26e^t$ I cannot get $e^4t$ or $e^-t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
How did you go about getting these numbers?
â Neo
yesterday
For example for $dx/dt$, I separate the variable and use integral, that gives me $ln|x+2y|=t+c_1$. Then I changed the form to $e$, which gives me $x+2y=e^t+c_1$. Then it becomes $x+2y=e^tec_1$, where $e^c_1=C_1$ (a constant).
â JIM BOY
yesterday
That is incorrect, as the derivative of the equation does not match what you started with.
â Neo
yesterday
What was your solution?
â Neo
yesterday
What was your solution?
â Neo
yesterday
$x(t)+2y(t)=14e^t$ and $3x(t)+2y(t)=26e^t$ I cannot get $e^4t$ or $e^-t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
$x(t)+2y(t)=14e^t$ and $3x(t)+2y(t)=26e^t$ I cannot get $e^4t$ or $e^-t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
How did you go about getting these numbers?
â Neo
yesterday
How did you go about getting these numbers?
â Neo
yesterday
For example for $dx/dt$, I separate the variable and use integral, that gives me $ln|x+2y|=t+c_1$. Then I changed the form to $e$, which gives me $x+2y=e^t+c_1$. Then it becomes $x+2y=e^tec_1$, where $e^c_1=C_1$ (a constant).
â JIM BOY
yesterday
For example for $dx/dt$, I separate the variable and use integral, that gives me $ln|x+2y|=t+c_1$. Then I changed the form to $e$, which gives me $x+2y=e^t+c_1$. Then it becomes $x+2y=e^tec_1$, where $e^c_1=C_1$ (a constant).
â JIM BOY
yesterday
That is incorrect, as the derivative of the equation does not match what you started with.
â Neo
yesterday
That is incorrect, as the derivative of the equation does not match what you started with.
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yesterday
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take laplace transform on both sides of both differential equations to get
$(s-1)X(s)=2Y(s)+6 $ ;
$(s-2)Y(s)=3X(s)+4\$ respectively
solve for $X(s)$ and $Y(s)$ like algebric equations to give ;
$Y(s)=dfrac4s+14(s+1)(s-4)implies y(t)=-2e^-t+6e^4t$
$X(s)=dfrac6s-4(s+1)(s-4)implies x(t)=2e^-t+4e^4t$
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Thank you! looks like i missed some of the steps to solve ODE with IVP
â JIM BOY
yesterday
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Hint: With $$y=fracx'-x2$$ we get
$$y'=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$ and we get $$y'=fracx''-x'2$$ so we obtain
$$fracx''-x'2=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$
Can you finish?
From here you will get
$$x''-4x'-3x=0$$ make the ansatz $$x=e^lambda t$$
I'm not too sure how to get the $e$ from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
Thanks, I'll go check on the $x=e^lambda t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
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Hint:
One possibility is to eliminate one of the unknowns.
$$x'=x+2yimplies x''=x'+2y'$$ and $$y'=3x+2y=3x+(x'-x),$$
hence
$$x''-3x'-4x=0.$$
I'm not too sure how to get the e from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
@JIMBOY: review your theory of univariate linear ODE with constant coefficients.
â Yves Daoust
yesterday
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Let us consider your system of ODE:
$$fracdxdt=x+2y\fracdydt=3x+2y$$
It follows that
$$fracdxdt+fracdydt=4x+4yrightarrow fracd(x+y)dt=4(x+y)rightarrow fracd(x+y)x+y=4dt$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$ln(x+y)=4t+Crightarrow x+y=Ce^4trightarrow y=Ce^4t-x$$
Substitution into $fracdxdt$ gives
$$fracdxdt=x+2(Ce^4t-x)rightarrow fracdxdt+x=2Ce^4t$$
Multiply by $e^t$ on both sides:
$$fracdxdte^t+xe^t=2Ce^5trightarrowfracd(xe^t)dt=2Ce^5t$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$xe^t=frac2C5e^5t+Krightarrow x=frac2C5e^4t+Ke^-t$$
Substitution into $y$ gives
$$y=frac3C5e^4t-Ke^-t$$
Apply conditions:
$$x(0)+y(0)=6+4=10rightarrow Ce^4(0)=10rightarrow C=10\x(0)=6rightarrow frac2(10)5e^4(0)+Ke^-(0)=6rightarrow K=2$$
Thus,
$$x(t)=4e^4t+2e^-t\y(t)=6e^4t-2e^-t$$
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Observe that you have
$$ beginpmatrix dotx \ doty endpmatrix = beginpmatrix 1 & 2 \ 3 & 2 endpmatrix cdot beginpmatrixx \ y endpmatrix text. $$
The eigenvalues of this matrix are $4, -1$, so both solutions are of the form $a mathrme^4x + b mathrme^-1x$. As others have shown, you then match the coefficients to the initial value data.
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5 Answers
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5 Answers
5
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
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up vote
3
down vote
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take laplace transform on both sides of both differential equations to get
$(s-1)X(s)=2Y(s)+6 $ ;
$(s-2)Y(s)=3X(s)+4\$ respectively
solve for $X(s)$ and $Y(s)$ like algebric equations to give ;
$Y(s)=dfrac4s+14(s+1)(s-4)implies y(t)=-2e^-t+6e^4t$
$X(s)=dfrac6s-4(s+1)(s-4)implies x(t)=2e^-t+4e^4t$
1
Thank you! looks like i missed some of the steps to solve ODE with IVP
â JIM BOY
yesterday
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
take laplace transform on both sides of both differential equations to get
$(s-1)X(s)=2Y(s)+6 $ ;
$(s-2)Y(s)=3X(s)+4\$ respectively
solve for $X(s)$ and $Y(s)$ like algebric equations to give ;
$Y(s)=dfrac4s+14(s+1)(s-4)implies y(t)=-2e^-t+6e^4t$
$X(s)=dfrac6s-4(s+1)(s-4)implies x(t)=2e^-t+4e^4t$
1
Thank you! looks like i missed some of the steps to solve ODE with IVP
â JIM BOY
yesterday
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
take laplace transform on both sides of both differential equations to get
$(s-1)X(s)=2Y(s)+6 $ ;
$(s-2)Y(s)=3X(s)+4\$ respectively
solve for $X(s)$ and $Y(s)$ like algebric equations to give ;
$Y(s)=dfrac4s+14(s+1)(s-4)implies y(t)=-2e^-t+6e^4t$
$X(s)=dfrac6s-4(s+1)(s-4)implies x(t)=2e^-t+4e^4t$
take laplace transform on both sides of both differential equations to get
$(s-1)X(s)=2Y(s)+6 $ ;
$(s-2)Y(s)=3X(s)+4\$ respectively
solve for $X(s)$ and $Y(s)$ like algebric equations to give ;
$Y(s)=dfrac4s+14(s+1)(s-4)implies y(t)=-2e^-t+6e^4t$
$X(s)=dfrac6s-4(s+1)(s-4)implies x(t)=2e^-t+4e^4t$
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Thank you! looks like i missed some of the steps to solve ODE with IVP
â JIM BOY
yesterday
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Thank you! looks like i missed some of the steps to solve ODE with IVP
â JIM BOY
yesterday
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Thank you! looks like i missed some of the steps to solve ODE with IVP
â JIM BOY
yesterday
Thank you! looks like i missed some of the steps to solve ODE with IVP
â JIM BOY
yesterday
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Hint: With $$y=fracx'-x2$$ we get
$$y'=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$ and we get $$y'=fracx''-x'2$$ so we obtain
$$fracx''-x'2=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$
Can you finish?
From here you will get
$$x''-4x'-3x=0$$ make the ansatz $$x=e^lambda t$$
I'm not too sure how to get the $e$ from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
Thanks, I'll go check on the $x=e^lambda t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
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up vote
1
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Hint: With $$y=fracx'-x2$$ we get
$$y'=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$ and we get $$y'=fracx''-x'2$$ so we obtain
$$fracx''-x'2=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$
Can you finish?
From here you will get
$$x''-4x'-3x=0$$ make the ansatz $$x=e^lambda t$$
I'm not too sure how to get the $e$ from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
Thanks, I'll go check on the $x=e^lambda t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
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Hint: With $$y=fracx'-x2$$ we get
$$y'=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$ and we get $$y'=fracx''-x'2$$ so we obtain
$$fracx''-x'2=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$
Can you finish?
From here you will get
$$x''-4x'-3x=0$$ make the ansatz $$x=e^lambda t$$
Hint: With $$y=fracx'-x2$$ we get
$$y'=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$ and we get $$y'=fracx''-x'2$$ so we obtain
$$fracx''-x'2=3x+frac32(x'-x)$$
Can you finish?
From here you will get
$$x''-4x'-3x=0$$ make the ansatz $$x=e^lambda t$$
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I'm not too sure how to get the $e$ from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
Thanks, I'll go check on the $x=e^lambda t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
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I'm not too sure how to get the $e$ from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
Thanks, I'll go check on the $x=e^lambda t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
I'm not too sure how to get the $e$ from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
I'm not too sure how to get the $e$ from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
Thanks, I'll go check on the $x=e^lambda t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
Thanks, I'll go check on the $x=e^lambda t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
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0
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Hint:
One possibility is to eliminate one of the unknowns.
$$x'=x+2yimplies x''=x'+2y'$$ and $$y'=3x+2y=3x+(x'-x),$$
hence
$$x''-3x'-4x=0.$$
I'm not too sure how to get the e from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
@JIMBOY: review your theory of univariate linear ODE with constant coefficients.
â Yves Daoust
yesterday
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Hint:
One possibility is to eliminate one of the unknowns.
$$x'=x+2yimplies x''=x'+2y'$$ and $$y'=3x+2y=3x+(x'-x),$$
hence
$$x''-3x'-4x=0.$$
I'm not too sure how to get the e from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
@JIMBOY: review your theory of univariate linear ODE with constant coefficients.
â Yves Daoust
yesterday
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Hint:
One possibility is to eliminate one of the unknowns.
$$x'=x+2yimplies x''=x'+2y'$$ and $$y'=3x+2y=3x+(x'-x),$$
hence
$$x''-3x'-4x=0.$$
Hint:
One possibility is to eliminate one of the unknowns.
$$x'=x+2yimplies x''=x'+2y'$$ and $$y'=3x+2y=3x+(x'-x),$$
hence
$$x''-3x'-4x=0.$$
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I'm not too sure how to get the e from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
@JIMBOY: review your theory of univariate linear ODE with constant coefficients.
â Yves Daoust
yesterday
add a comment |Â
I'm not too sure how to get the e from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
@JIMBOY: review your theory of univariate linear ODE with constant coefficients.
â Yves Daoust
yesterday
I'm not too sure how to get the e from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
I'm not too sure how to get the e from there
â JIM BOY
yesterday
@JIMBOY: review your theory of univariate linear ODE with constant coefficients.
â Yves Daoust
yesterday
@JIMBOY: review your theory of univariate linear ODE with constant coefficients.
â Yves Daoust
yesterday
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Let us consider your system of ODE:
$$fracdxdt=x+2y\fracdydt=3x+2y$$
It follows that
$$fracdxdt+fracdydt=4x+4yrightarrow fracd(x+y)dt=4(x+y)rightarrow fracd(x+y)x+y=4dt$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$ln(x+y)=4t+Crightarrow x+y=Ce^4trightarrow y=Ce^4t-x$$
Substitution into $fracdxdt$ gives
$$fracdxdt=x+2(Ce^4t-x)rightarrow fracdxdt+x=2Ce^4t$$
Multiply by $e^t$ on both sides:
$$fracdxdte^t+xe^t=2Ce^5trightarrowfracd(xe^t)dt=2Ce^5t$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$xe^t=frac2C5e^5t+Krightarrow x=frac2C5e^4t+Ke^-t$$
Substitution into $y$ gives
$$y=frac3C5e^4t-Ke^-t$$
Apply conditions:
$$x(0)+y(0)=6+4=10rightarrow Ce^4(0)=10rightarrow C=10\x(0)=6rightarrow frac2(10)5e^4(0)+Ke^-(0)=6rightarrow K=2$$
Thus,
$$x(t)=4e^4t+2e^-t\y(t)=6e^4t-2e^-t$$
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Let us consider your system of ODE:
$$fracdxdt=x+2y\fracdydt=3x+2y$$
It follows that
$$fracdxdt+fracdydt=4x+4yrightarrow fracd(x+y)dt=4(x+y)rightarrow fracd(x+y)x+y=4dt$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$ln(x+y)=4t+Crightarrow x+y=Ce^4trightarrow y=Ce^4t-x$$
Substitution into $fracdxdt$ gives
$$fracdxdt=x+2(Ce^4t-x)rightarrow fracdxdt+x=2Ce^4t$$
Multiply by $e^t$ on both sides:
$$fracdxdte^t+xe^t=2Ce^5trightarrowfracd(xe^t)dt=2Ce^5t$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$xe^t=frac2C5e^5t+Krightarrow x=frac2C5e^4t+Ke^-t$$
Substitution into $y$ gives
$$y=frac3C5e^4t-Ke^-t$$
Apply conditions:
$$x(0)+y(0)=6+4=10rightarrow Ce^4(0)=10rightarrow C=10\x(0)=6rightarrow frac2(10)5e^4(0)+Ke^-(0)=6rightarrow K=2$$
Thus,
$$x(t)=4e^4t+2e^-t\y(t)=6e^4t-2e^-t$$
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Let us consider your system of ODE:
$$fracdxdt=x+2y\fracdydt=3x+2y$$
It follows that
$$fracdxdt+fracdydt=4x+4yrightarrow fracd(x+y)dt=4(x+y)rightarrow fracd(x+y)x+y=4dt$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$ln(x+y)=4t+Crightarrow x+y=Ce^4trightarrow y=Ce^4t-x$$
Substitution into $fracdxdt$ gives
$$fracdxdt=x+2(Ce^4t-x)rightarrow fracdxdt+x=2Ce^4t$$
Multiply by $e^t$ on both sides:
$$fracdxdte^t+xe^t=2Ce^5trightarrowfracd(xe^t)dt=2Ce^5t$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$xe^t=frac2C5e^5t+Krightarrow x=frac2C5e^4t+Ke^-t$$
Substitution into $y$ gives
$$y=frac3C5e^4t-Ke^-t$$
Apply conditions:
$$x(0)+y(0)=6+4=10rightarrow Ce^4(0)=10rightarrow C=10\x(0)=6rightarrow frac2(10)5e^4(0)+Ke^-(0)=6rightarrow K=2$$
Thus,
$$x(t)=4e^4t+2e^-t\y(t)=6e^4t-2e^-t$$
Let us consider your system of ODE:
$$fracdxdt=x+2y\fracdydt=3x+2y$$
It follows that
$$fracdxdt+fracdydt=4x+4yrightarrow fracd(x+y)dt=4(x+y)rightarrow fracd(x+y)x+y=4dt$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$ln(x+y)=4t+Crightarrow x+y=Ce^4trightarrow y=Ce^4t-x$$
Substitution into $fracdxdt$ gives
$$fracdxdt=x+2(Ce^4t-x)rightarrow fracdxdt+x=2Ce^4t$$
Multiply by $e^t$ on both sides:
$$fracdxdte^t+xe^t=2Ce^5trightarrowfracd(xe^t)dt=2Ce^5t$$
Integration on both sides yields
$$xe^t=frac2C5e^5t+Krightarrow x=frac2C5e^4t+Ke^-t$$
Substitution into $y$ gives
$$y=frac3C5e^4t-Ke^-t$$
Apply conditions:
$$x(0)+y(0)=6+4=10rightarrow Ce^4(0)=10rightarrow C=10\x(0)=6rightarrow frac2(10)5e^4(0)+Ke^-(0)=6rightarrow K=2$$
Thus,
$$x(t)=4e^4t+2e^-t\y(t)=6e^4t-2e^-t$$
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Observe that you have
$$ beginpmatrix dotx \ doty endpmatrix = beginpmatrix 1 & 2 \ 3 & 2 endpmatrix cdot beginpmatrixx \ y endpmatrix text. $$
The eigenvalues of this matrix are $4, -1$, so both solutions are of the form $a mathrme^4x + b mathrme^-1x$. As others have shown, you then match the coefficients to the initial value data.
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Observe that you have
$$ beginpmatrix dotx \ doty endpmatrix = beginpmatrix 1 & 2 \ 3 & 2 endpmatrix cdot beginpmatrixx \ y endpmatrix text. $$
The eigenvalues of this matrix are $4, -1$, so both solutions are of the form $a mathrme^4x + b mathrme^-1x$. As others have shown, you then match the coefficients to the initial value data.
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Observe that you have
$$ beginpmatrix dotx \ doty endpmatrix = beginpmatrix 1 & 2 \ 3 & 2 endpmatrix cdot beginpmatrixx \ y endpmatrix text. $$
The eigenvalues of this matrix are $4, -1$, so both solutions are of the form $a mathrme^4x + b mathrme^-1x$. As others have shown, you then match the coefficients to the initial value data.
Observe that you have
$$ beginpmatrix dotx \ doty endpmatrix = beginpmatrix 1 & 2 \ 3 & 2 endpmatrix cdot beginpmatrixx \ y endpmatrix text. $$
The eigenvalues of this matrix are $4, -1$, so both solutions are of the form $a mathrme^4x + b mathrme^-1x$. As others have shown, you then match the coefficients to the initial value data.
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What was your solution?
â Neo
yesterday
$x(t)+2y(t)=14e^t$ and $3x(t)+2y(t)=26e^t$ I cannot get $e^4t$ or $e^-t$
â JIM BOY
yesterday
How did you go about getting these numbers?
â Neo
yesterday
For example for $dx/dt$, I separate the variable and use integral, that gives me $ln|x+2y|=t+c_1$. Then I changed the form to $e$, which gives me $x+2y=e^t+c_1$. Then it becomes $x+2y=e^tec_1$, where $e^c_1=C_1$ (a constant).
â JIM BOY
yesterday
That is incorrect, as the derivative of the equation does not match what you started with.
â Neo
yesterday