How is the discrete metric continuous?
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It is proven that any metric $d$ is continuous.
Consider the metric space $(mathbbR, d)$ where:
$$d:mathbbRtimesmathbbRrightarrow mathbbR$$
$$d(x, y) = begincases
0 & x=y \
1 & xneq y
endcases
$$
Let $x_n rightarrow x=0$ and $y_n rightarrow y=0$. If you take $d(x_n, y_n)rightarrow 1 neq 0=d(x, y)$. This shows that this metric is discontinuous. What is wrong with my reasoning?
real-analysis continuity metric-spaces
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It is proven that any metric $d$ is continuous.
Consider the metric space $(mathbbR, d)$ where:
$$d:mathbbRtimesmathbbRrightarrow mathbbR$$
$$d(x, y) = begincases
0 & x=y \
1 & xneq y
endcases
$$
Let $x_n rightarrow x=0$ and $y_n rightarrow y=0$. If you take $d(x_n, y_n)rightarrow 1 neq 0=d(x, y)$. This shows that this metric is discontinuous. What is wrong with my reasoning?
real-analysis continuity metric-spaces
$x_n=0=y_n$ for all $n$ large.
â Jo'
yesterday
You write $mathbbR$ but it has two different topologies for this statement. See my answer.
â Henno Brandsma
yesterday
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up vote
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It is proven that any metric $d$ is continuous.
Consider the metric space $(mathbbR, d)$ where:
$$d:mathbbRtimesmathbbRrightarrow mathbbR$$
$$d(x, y) = begincases
0 & x=y \
1 & xneq y
endcases
$$
Let $x_n rightarrow x=0$ and $y_n rightarrow y=0$. If you take $d(x_n, y_n)rightarrow 1 neq 0=d(x, y)$. This shows that this metric is discontinuous. What is wrong with my reasoning?
real-analysis continuity metric-spaces
It is proven that any metric $d$ is continuous.
Consider the metric space $(mathbbR, d)$ where:
$$d:mathbbRtimesmathbbRrightarrow mathbbR$$
$$d(x, y) = begincases
0 & x=y \
1 & xneq y
endcases
$$
Let $x_n rightarrow x=0$ and $y_n rightarrow y=0$. If you take $d(x_n, y_n)rightarrow 1 neq 0=d(x, y)$. This shows that this metric is discontinuous. What is wrong with my reasoning?
real-analysis continuity metric-spaces
real-analysis continuity metric-spaces
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ervx
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Dylan Zammit
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$x_n=0=y_n$ for all $n$ large.
â Jo'
yesterday
You write $mathbbR$ but it has two different topologies for this statement. See my answer.
â Henno Brandsma
yesterday
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$x_n=0=y_n$ for all $n$ large.
â Jo'
yesterday
You write $mathbbR$ but it has two different topologies for this statement. See my answer.
â Henno Brandsma
yesterday
$x_n=0=y_n$ for all $n$ large.
â Jo'
yesterday
$x_n=0=y_n$ for all $n$ large.
â Jo'
yesterday
You write $mathbbR$ but it has two different topologies for this statement. See my answer.
â Henno Brandsma
yesterday
You write $mathbbR$ but it has two different topologies for this statement. See my answer.
â Henno Brandsma
yesterday
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The fact that $d(x_n,x)to 0$ implies that eventually $d(x_n,x)<1/2$. Thus, eventually the $x_n$'s must all be $0$. The same goes for the $y_n$'s. Therefore, $d(x_n,y_n)$ is eventually $0$ for such sequences.
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You misrepresent the statement.
Correct is: let $(X,d)$ be a metric space. This induces a topology $mathcalT_d$ on $X$ induced by the metric (the minimal topology where all balls $B(x,r)$ are open). Then the map $d: (X,mathcalT_d) times (X,mathcalT_d) to mathbbR$ is continuous where the left hand side has the product topology of the metric topology with itself and the reals have the usual Euclidean topology.
If we use the discrete metric, which induces the discrete topology, then this product topology is also discrete and $d$ is indeed continuous (as is any map on a discrete space, so it's not very informative).
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A sequence $x_n$ has limit $0$ in the discrete metric if and only if eventually $x_n = 0$. Does this help?
Why is that so? Isn't $x_n$ a normal sequence such as $frac1n$? In which case $x_nneq 0 forall n$?
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
Ok, understood what you mean with the help of ervx's answer :) thanks
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yesterday
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
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The fact that $d(x_n,x)to 0$ implies that eventually $d(x_n,x)<1/2$. Thus, eventually the $x_n$'s must all be $0$. The same goes for the $y_n$'s. Therefore, $d(x_n,y_n)$ is eventually $0$ for such sequences.
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The fact that $d(x_n,x)to 0$ implies that eventually $d(x_n,x)<1/2$. Thus, eventually the $x_n$'s must all be $0$. The same goes for the $y_n$'s. Therefore, $d(x_n,y_n)$ is eventually $0$ for such sequences.
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The fact that $d(x_n,x)to 0$ implies that eventually $d(x_n,x)<1/2$. Thus, eventually the $x_n$'s must all be $0$. The same goes for the $y_n$'s. Therefore, $d(x_n,y_n)$ is eventually $0$ for such sequences.
The fact that $d(x_n,x)to 0$ implies that eventually $d(x_n,x)<1/2$. Thus, eventually the $x_n$'s must all be $0$. The same goes for the $y_n$'s. Therefore, $d(x_n,y_n)$ is eventually $0$ for such sequences.
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You misrepresent the statement.
Correct is: let $(X,d)$ be a metric space. This induces a topology $mathcalT_d$ on $X$ induced by the metric (the minimal topology where all balls $B(x,r)$ are open). Then the map $d: (X,mathcalT_d) times (X,mathcalT_d) to mathbbR$ is continuous where the left hand side has the product topology of the metric topology with itself and the reals have the usual Euclidean topology.
If we use the discrete metric, which induces the discrete topology, then this product topology is also discrete and $d$ is indeed continuous (as is any map on a discrete space, so it's not very informative).
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You misrepresent the statement.
Correct is: let $(X,d)$ be a metric space. This induces a topology $mathcalT_d$ on $X$ induced by the metric (the minimal topology where all balls $B(x,r)$ are open). Then the map $d: (X,mathcalT_d) times (X,mathcalT_d) to mathbbR$ is continuous where the left hand side has the product topology of the metric topology with itself and the reals have the usual Euclidean topology.
If we use the discrete metric, which induces the discrete topology, then this product topology is also discrete and $d$ is indeed continuous (as is any map on a discrete space, so it's not very informative).
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up vote
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You misrepresent the statement.
Correct is: let $(X,d)$ be a metric space. This induces a topology $mathcalT_d$ on $X$ induced by the metric (the minimal topology where all balls $B(x,r)$ are open). Then the map $d: (X,mathcalT_d) times (X,mathcalT_d) to mathbbR$ is continuous where the left hand side has the product topology of the metric topology with itself and the reals have the usual Euclidean topology.
If we use the discrete metric, which induces the discrete topology, then this product topology is also discrete and $d$ is indeed continuous (as is any map on a discrete space, so it's not very informative).
You misrepresent the statement.
Correct is: let $(X,d)$ be a metric space. This induces a topology $mathcalT_d$ on $X$ induced by the metric (the minimal topology where all balls $B(x,r)$ are open). Then the map $d: (X,mathcalT_d) times (X,mathcalT_d) to mathbbR$ is continuous where the left hand side has the product topology of the metric topology with itself and the reals have the usual Euclidean topology.
If we use the discrete metric, which induces the discrete topology, then this product topology is also discrete and $d$ is indeed continuous (as is any map on a discrete space, so it's not very informative).
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Henno Brandsma
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A sequence $x_n$ has limit $0$ in the discrete metric if and only if eventually $x_n = 0$. Does this help?
Why is that so? Isn't $x_n$ a normal sequence such as $frac1n$? In which case $x_nneq 0 forall n$?
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
Ok, understood what you mean with the help of ervx's answer :) thanks
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
A sequence $x_n$ has limit $0$ in the discrete metric if and only if eventually $x_n = 0$. Does this help?
Why is that so? Isn't $x_n$ a normal sequence such as $frac1n$? In which case $x_nneq 0 forall n$?
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
Ok, understood what you mean with the help of ervx's answer :) thanks
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
add a comment |Â
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2
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A sequence $x_n$ has limit $0$ in the discrete metric if and only if eventually $x_n = 0$. Does this help?
A sequence $x_n$ has limit $0$ in the discrete metric if and only if eventually $x_n = 0$. Does this help?
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Ethan Bolker
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Why is that so? Isn't $x_n$ a normal sequence such as $frac1n$? In which case $x_nneq 0 forall n$?
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
Ok, understood what you mean with the help of ervx's answer :) thanks
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
add a comment |Â
Why is that so? Isn't $x_n$ a normal sequence such as $frac1n$? In which case $x_nneq 0 forall n$?
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
Ok, understood what you mean with the help of ervx's answer :) thanks
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
Why is that so? Isn't $x_n$ a normal sequence such as $frac1n$? In which case $x_nneq 0 forall n$?
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
Why is that so? Isn't $x_n$ a normal sequence such as $frac1n$? In which case $x_nneq 0 forall n$?
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
Ok, understood what you mean with the help of ervx's answer :) thanks
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
Ok, understood what you mean with the help of ervx's answer :) thanks
â Dylan Zammit
yesterday
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$x_n=0=y_n$ for all $n$ large.
â Jo'
yesterday
You write $mathbbR$ but it has two different topologies for this statement. See my answer.
â Henno Brandsma
yesterday