Interestingly deformed protea flower

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I have a protea growing in my garden. It has many young flowers on it at the moment (September 2018, early spring in Melbourne). One of the flowers is deformed, growing in an interesting almost fractal shape. Is this sort of deformity common? What causes it?



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    I have a protea growing in my garden. It has many young flowers on it at the moment (September 2018, early spring in Melbourne). One of the flowers is deformed, growing in an interesting almost fractal shape. Is this sort of deformity common? What causes it?



    I have included a picture of a normal flower from the same plant below.



    fractal star protea



    normal cone protea










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      I have a protea growing in my garden. It has many young flowers on it at the moment (September 2018, early spring in Melbourne). One of the flowers is deformed, growing in an interesting almost fractal shape. Is this sort of deformity common? What causes it?



      I have included a picture of a normal flower from the same plant below.



      fractal star protea



      normal cone protea










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      I have a protea growing in my garden. It has many young flowers on it at the moment (September 2018, early spring in Melbourne). One of the flowers is deformed, growing in an interesting almost fractal shape. Is this sort of deformity common? What causes it?



      I have included a picture of a normal flower from the same plant below.



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      normal cone protea







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          This appears to be an example of "cresting" or fasciation. It can happen on a number of species, perhaps the best known is the Celosia group (Crested cockscomb). One way to look at this is as the flower is being generated at the cellular level in normal circumstances each component of the flower will have its place in the spiral arrangement. Each has an individual numbered place and so does not challenge a neighbour for room to grow normally. However for various reasons (cold weather, insect attack, bacterial infection) individual parts can be "assigned the same number" and try to grow together in the same physical location pushing each other aside. This can be accompanied by hormonal imbalances and results in something of an interesting tangle.






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          • I've seen fasciation (but never knew the word before) on wisteria and dandelion. It normally makes a round stem (or other plant part) ribbon-like. This seems a bit different in that the flower is still round overall.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 5:57










          • RHS mentions "Flattened elongated or misshapen flower heads"
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 6:56










          • I agree that all fasciation is misshapen, but not that all misshapenness is fasciation. Maybe you're right, but I'll wait to see if any alternative theories pop up.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 7:01






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            Fasciation derives from fasces or bundle. My thinking is that the bundling sometimes results in elongation, but is not a requirement. Yes, you are right to wait for other ideas.
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 7:58

















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          This is a bit of a knotty subject - there are two named 'disorders' that cause oddly mutated flowers or stems; one is fasciation, and the other is proliferation. The latter usually only affects the flowers, but sometimes there is evidence of fasciation in the stem as well, whereas fasciation usually affects stems, but also can affect flowers. On examining that mutated flower in your top picture, it does appear almost as if one, two or three flowers have appeared in the same flowerhead causing this odd looking flower, with no apparent fasciation of the stem, in which case, it's more likely proliferation - but the dividing line is a grey area!



          The cause is essentially the same in both conditions; it's a mutation caused by a disturbance or break in the genetic code. As to what causes that, it might be weather conditions at the time the growing tip or flower was just beginning to form, viral, bacterial, physical damage, or simply an internal genetic DNA blip. It generally occurs on just the one flower (but not always) and subsequent flowers are perfectly normal, but the phenomenon may be more common on some plants than others - some roses varieties can be more prone to proliferation. Info on Fasciation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=525 and more on Proliferation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=634






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          • The stem is indeed normal-looking. I didn't think of taking a picture of it as the base of the flower also seems normal.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 13:29










          • In that case, I'd definitely describe this as proliferation...
            – Bamboo
            Sep 16 at 14:48










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          This appears to be an example of "cresting" or fasciation. It can happen on a number of species, perhaps the best known is the Celosia group (Crested cockscomb). One way to look at this is as the flower is being generated at the cellular level in normal circumstances each component of the flower will have its place in the spiral arrangement. Each has an individual numbered place and so does not challenge a neighbour for room to grow normally. However for various reasons (cold weather, insect attack, bacterial infection) individual parts can be "assigned the same number" and try to grow together in the same physical location pushing each other aside. This can be accompanied by hormonal imbalances and results in something of an interesting tangle.






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          • I've seen fasciation (but never knew the word before) on wisteria and dandelion. It normally makes a round stem (or other plant part) ribbon-like. This seems a bit different in that the flower is still round overall.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 5:57










          • RHS mentions "Flattened elongated or misshapen flower heads"
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 6:56










          • I agree that all fasciation is misshapen, but not that all misshapenness is fasciation. Maybe you're right, but I'll wait to see if any alternative theories pop up.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 7:01






          • 1




            Fasciation derives from fasces or bundle. My thinking is that the bundling sometimes results in elongation, but is not a requirement. Yes, you are right to wait for other ideas.
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 7:58














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          This appears to be an example of "cresting" or fasciation. It can happen on a number of species, perhaps the best known is the Celosia group (Crested cockscomb). One way to look at this is as the flower is being generated at the cellular level in normal circumstances each component of the flower will have its place in the spiral arrangement. Each has an individual numbered place and so does not challenge a neighbour for room to grow normally. However for various reasons (cold weather, insect attack, bacterial infection) individual parts can be "assigned the same number" and try to grow together in the same physical location pushing each other aside. This can be accompanied by hormonal imbalances and results in something of an interesting tangle.






          share|improve this answer




















          • I've seen fasciation (but never knew the word before) on wisteria and dandelion. It normally makes a round stem (or other plant part) ribbon-like. This seems a bit different in that the flower is still round overall.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 5:57










          • RHS mentions "Flattened elongated or misshapen flower heads"
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 6:56










          • I agree that all fasciation is misshapen, but not that all misshapenness is fasciation. Maybe you're right, but I'll wait to see if any alternative theories pop up.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 7:01






          • 1




            Fasciation derives from fasces or bundle. My thinking is that the bundling sometimes results in elongation, but is not a requirement. Yes, you are right to wait for other ideas.
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 7:58












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          This appears to be an example of "cresting" or fasciation. It can happen on a number of species, perhaps the best known is the Celosia group (Crested cockscomb). One way to look at this is as the flower is being generated at the cellular level in normal circumstances each component of the flower will have its place in the spiral arrangement. Each has an individual numbered place and so does not challenge a neighbour for room to grow normally. However for various reasons (cold weather, insect attack, bacterial infection) individual parts can be "assigned the same number" and try to grow together in the same physical location pushing each other aside. This can be accompanied by hormonal imbalances and results in something of an interesting tangle.






          share|improve this answer












          This appears to be an example of "cresting" or fasciation. It can happen on a number of species, perhaps the best known is the Celosia group (Crested cockscomb). One way to look at this is as the flower is being generated at the cellular level in normal circumstances each component of the flower will have its place in the spiral arrangement. Each has an individual numbered place and so does not challenge a neighbour for room to grow normally. However for various reasons (cold weather, insect attack, bacterial infection) individual parts can be "assigned the same number" and try to grow together in the same physical location pushing each other aside. This can be accompanied by hormonal imbalances and results in something of an interesting tangle.







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          • I've seen fasciation (but never knew the word before) on wisteria and dandelion. It normally makes a round stem (or other plant part) ribbon-like. This seems a bit different in that the flower is still round overall.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 5:57










          • RHS mentions "Flattened elongated or misshapen flower heads"
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 6:56










          • I agree that all fasciation is misshapen, but not that all misshapenness is fasciation. Maybe you're right, but I'll wait to see if any alternative theories pop up.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 7:01






          • 1




            Fasciation derives from fasces or bundle. My thinking is that the bundling sometimes results in elongation, but is not a requirement. Yes, you are right to wait for other ideas.
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 7:58
















          • I've seen fasciation (but never knew the word before) on wisteria and dandelion. It normally makes a round stem (or other plant part) ribbon-like. This seems a bit different in that the flower is still round overall.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 5:57










          • RHS mentions "Flattened elongated or misshapen flower heads"
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 6:56










          • I agree that all fasciation is misshapen, but not that all misshapenness is fasciation. Maybe you're right, but I'll wait to see if any alternative theories pop up.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 7:01






          • 1




            Fasciation derives from fasces or bundle. My thinking is that the bundling sometimes results in elongation, but is not a requirement. Yes, you are right to wait for other ideas.
            – Colin Beckingham
            Sep 16 at 7:58















          I've seen fasciation (but never knew the word before) on wisteria and dandelion. It normally makes a round stem (or other plant part) ribbon-like. This seems a bit different in that the flower is still round overall.
          – CJ Dennis
          Sep 16 at 5:57




          I've seen fasciation (but never knew the word before) on wisteria and dandelion. It normally makes a round stem (or other plant part) ribbon-like. This seems a bit different in that the flower is still round overall.
          – CJ Dennis
          Sep 16 at 5:57












          RHS mentions "Flattened elongated or misshapen flower heads"
          – Colin Beckingham
          Sep 16 at 6:56




          RHS mentions "Flattened elongated or misshapen flower heads"
          – Colin Beckingham
          Sep 16 at 6:56












          I agree that all fasciation is misshapen, but not that all misshapenness is fasciation. Maybe you're right, but I'll wait to see if any alternative theories pop up.
          – CJ Dennis
          Sep 16 at 7:01




          I agree that all fasciation is misshapen, but not that all misshapenness is fasciation. Maybe you're right, but I'll wait to see if any alternative theories pop up.
          – CJ Dennis
          Sep 16 at 7:01




          1




          1




          Fasciation derives from fasces or bundle. My thinking is that the bundling sometimes results in elongation, but is not a requirement. Yes, you are right to wait for other ideas.
          – Colin Beckingham
          Sep 16 at 7:58




          Fasciation derives from fasces or bundle. My thinking is that the bundling sometimes results in elongation, but is not a requirement. Yes, you are right to wait for other ideas.
          – Colin Beckingham
          Sep 16 at 7:58










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          This is a bit of a knotty subject - there are two named 'disorders' that cause oddly mutated flowers or stems; one is fasciation, and the other is proliferation. The latter usually only affects the flowers, but sometimes there is evidence of fasciation in the stem as well, whereas fasciation usually affects stems, but also can affect flowers. On examining that mutated flower in your top picture, it does appear almost as if one, two or three flowers have appeared in the same flowerhead causing this odd looking flower, with no apparent fasciation of the stem, in which case, it's more likely proliferation - but the dividing line is a grey area!



          The cause is essentially the same in both conditions; it's a mutation caused by a disturbance or break in the genetic code. As to what causes that, it might be weather conditions at the time the growing tip or flower was just beginning to form, viral, bacterial, physical damage, or simply an internal genetic DNA blip. It generally occurs on just the one flower (but not always) and subsequent flowers are perfectly normal, but the phenomenon may be more common on some plants than others - some roses varieties can be more prone to proliferation. Info on Fasciation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=525 and more on Proliferation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=634






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          • The stem is indeed normal-looking. I didn't think of taking a picture of it as the base of the flower also seems normal.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 13:29










          • In that case, I'd definitely describe this as proliferation...
            – Bamboo
            Sep 16 at 14:48














          up vote
          2
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          This is a bit of a knotty subject - there are two named 'disorders' that cause oddly mutated flowers or stems; one is fasciation, and the other is proliferation. The latter usually only affects the flowers, but sometimes there is evidence of fasciation in the stem as well, whereas fasciation usually affects stems, but also can affect flowers. On examining that mutated flower in your top picture, it does appear almost as if one, two or three flowers have appeared in the same flowerhead causing this odd looking flower, with no apparent fasciation of the stem, in which case, it's more likely proliferation - but the dividing line is a grey area!



          The cause is essentially the same in both conditions; it's a mutation caused by a disturbance or break in the genetic code. As to what causes that, it might be weather conditions at the time the growing tip or flower was just beginning to form, viral, bacterial, physical damage, or simply an internal genetic DNA blip. It generally occurs on just the one flower (but not always) and subsequent flowers are perfectly normal, but the phenomenon may be more common on some plants than others - some roses varieties can be more prone to proliferation. Info on Fasciation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=525 and more on Proliferation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=634






          share|improve this answer






















          • The stem is indeed normal-looking. I didn't think of taking a picture of it as the base of the flower also seems normal.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 13:29










          • In that case, I'd definitely describe this as proliferation...
            – Bamboo
            Sep 16 at 14:48












          up vote
          2
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          up vote
          2
          down vote









          This is a bit of a knotty subject - there are two named 'disorders' that cause oddly mutated flowers or stems; one is fasciation, and the other is proliferation. The latter usually only affects the flowers, but sometimes there is evidence of fasciation in the stem as well, whereas fasciation usually affects stems, but also can affect flowers. On examining that mutated flower in your top picture, it does appear almost as if one, two or three flowers have appeared in the same flowerhead causing this odd looking flower, with no apparent fasciation of the stem, in which case, it's more likely proliferation - but the dividing line is a grey area!



          The cause is essentially the same in both conditions; it's a mutation caused by a disturbance or break in the genetic code. As to what causes that, it might be weather conditions at the time the growing tip or flower was just beginning to form, viral, bacterial, physical damage, or simply an internal genetic DNA blip. It generally occurs on just the one flower (but not always) and subsequent flowers are perfectly normal, but the phenomenon may be more common on some plants than others - some roses varieties can be more prone to proliferation. Info on Fasciation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=525 and more on Proliferation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=634






          share|improve this answer














          This is a bit of a knotty subject - there are two named 'disorders' that cause oddly mutated flowers or stems; one is fasciation, and the other is proliferation. The latter usually only affects the flowers, but sometimes there is evidence of fasciation in the stem as well, whereas fasciation usually affects stems, but also can affect flowers. On examining that mutated flower in your top picture, it does appear almost as if one, two or three flowers have appeared in the same flowerhead causing this odd looking flower, with no apparent fasciation of the stem, in which case, it's more likely proliferation - but the dividing line is a grey area!



          The cause is essentially the same in both conditions; it's a mutation caused by a disturbance or break in the genetic code. As to what causes that, it might be weather conditions at the time the growing tip or flower was just beginning to form, viral, bacterial, physical damage, or simply an internal genetic DNA blip. It generally occurs on just the one flower (but not always) and subsequent flowers are perfectly normal, but the phenomenon may be more common on some plants than others - some roses varieties can be more prone to proliferation. Info on Fasciation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=525 and more on Proliferation https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=634







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          • The stem is indeed normal-looking. I didn't think of taking a picture of it as the base of the flower also seems normal.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 13:29










          • In that case, I'd definitely describe this as proliferation...
            – Bamboo
            Sep 16 at 14:48
















          • The stem is indeed normal-looking. I didn't think of taking a picture of it as the base of the flower also seems normal.
            – CJ Dennis
            Sep 16 at 13:29










          • In that case, I'd definitely describe this as proliferation...
            – Bamboo
            Sep 16 at 14:48















          The stem is indeed normal-looking. I didn't think of taking a picture of it as the base of the flower also seems normal.
          – CJ Dennis
          Sep 16 at 13:29




          The stem is indeed normal-looking. I didn't think of taking a picture of it as the base of the flower also seems normal.
          – CJ Dennis
          Sep 16 at 13:29












          In that case, I'd definitely describe this as proliferation...
          – Bamboo
          Sep 16 at 14:48




          In that case, I'd definitely describe this as proliferation...
          – Bamboo
          Sep 16 at 14:48

















           

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