What transcription system from Japanese used ÿ?
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In a German map from the late 40's (my guess, judging from the nations and borders) of East Asia, the island of Miyakojima is transcribed Mÿako. What transcription system is this? I know the Japanese や used to be transcribed ‘ja’ (nowadays ‘ya’), and I know ‘ij’ ca been set as ÿ, but as Mi and -ya/-ja are different morae, and different syllables, it looks a bit weird, or at least difficult to parse correctly. Was this ever part of a Japanese/German transcription system, or is it just something that this mapmaker came up with?
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In a German map from the late 40's (my guess, judging from the nations and borders) of East Asia, the island of Miyakojima is transcribed Mÿako. What transcription system is this? I know the Japanese や used to be transcribed ‘ja’ (nowadays ‘ya’), and I know ‘ij’ ca been set as ÿ, but as Mi and -ya/-ja are different morae, and different syllables, it looks a bit weird, or at least difficult to parse correctly. Was this ever part of a Japanese/German transcription system, or is it just something that this mapmaker came up with?
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spelling typography proper-noun japanese
edited Sep 16 at 15:51
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Can you show us a y in the respective typeface? It may give a hint as to whether that’s an ÿ or ij we are dealing with.
– Wrzlprmft♦
Sep 16 at 15:42
@Wrzlprmft You are right, I found an 'y' now, and it looks completely different, so this is just a peculiarity of the font, as Uwe puts it below.
– leo
Sep 16 at 17:36
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In a German map from the late 40's (my guess, judging from the nations and borders) of East Asia, the island of Miyakojima is transcribed Mÿako. What transcription system is this? I know the Japanese や used to be transcribed ‘ja’ (nowadays ‘ya’), and I know ‘ij’ ca been set as ÿ, but as Mi and -ya/-ja are different morae, and different syllables, it looks a bit weird, or at least difficult to parse correctly. Was this ever part of a Japanese/German transcription system, or is it just something that this mapmaker came up with?
(suggested tags: japanese-to-german transcription trema)
spelling typography proper-noun japanese
edited Sep 16 at 15:51
Wrzlprmft♦
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asked Sep 16 at 15:15
leo
1585
In a German map from the late 40's (my guess, judging from the nations and borders) of East Asia, the island of Miyakojima is transcribed Mÿako. What transcription system is this? I know the Japanese や used to be transcribed ‘ja’ (nowadays ‘ya’), and I know ‘ij’ ca been set as ÿ, but as Mi and -ya/-ja are different morae, and different syllables, it looks a bit weird, or at least difficult to parse correctly. Was this ever part of a Japanese/German transcription system, or is it just something that this mapmaker came up with?
(suggested tags: japanese-to-german transcription trema)
spelling typography proper-noun japanese
spelling typography proper-noun japanese
edited Sep 16 at 15:51
Wrzlprmft♦
18.3k445109
asked Sep 16 at 15:15
leo
1585
edited Sep 16 at 15:51
Wrzlprmft♦
18.3k445109
asked Sep 16 at 15:15
leo
1585
edited Sep 16 at 15:51
Wrzlprmft♦
18.3k445109
edited Sep 16 at 15:51
Wrzlprmft♦
18.3k445109
edited Sep 16 at 15:51
Wrzlprmft♦
18.3k445109
18.3k445109
asked Sep 16 at 15:15
leo
1585
asked Sep 16 at 15:15
leo
1585
asked Sep 16 at 15:15
leo
1585
1585
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Can you show us a y in the respective typeface? It may give a hint as to whether that’s an ÿ or ij we are dealing with.
– Wrzlprmft♦
Sep 16 at 15:42
@Wrzlprmft You are right, I found an 'y' now, and it looks completely different, so this is just a peculiarity of the font, as Uwe puts it below.
– leo
Sep 16 at 17:36
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Can you show us a y in the respective typeface? It may give a hint as to whether that’s an ÿ or ij we are dealing with.
– Wrzlprmft♦
Sep 16 at 15:42
@Wrzlprmft You are right, I found an 'y' now, and it looks completely different, so this is just a peculiarity of the font, as Uwe puts it below.
– leo
Sep 16 at 17:36
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Can you show us a y in the respective typeface? It may give a hint as to whether that’s an ÿ or ij we are dealing with.
– Wrzlprmft♦
Sep 16 at 15:42
Can you show us a y in the respective typeface? It may give a hint as to whether that’s an ÿ or ij we are dealing with.
– Wrzlprmft♦
Sep 16 at 15:42
@Wrzlprmft You are right, I found an 'y' now, and it looks completely different, so this is just a peculiarity of the font, as Uwe puts it below.
– leo
Sep 16 at 17:36
@Wrzlprmft You are right, I found an 'y' now, and it looks completely different, so this is just a peculiarity of the font, as Uwe puts it below.
– leo
Sep 16 at 17:36
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This is "ij", not "ÿ" ("y" with diaeresis). It's just a peculiarity of the font used for this map that many letters connect to the following one (compare "i", "m", and "t" in "Iriomote"), so that "i" followed by "j" looks a bit like a dotted "y".
answered Sep 16 at 15:43
Uwe
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... a peculiarity called a ligature (German: Ligatur).
– Christian Geiselmann
Sep 17 at 8:40
@ChristianGeiselmann "Ligature" in which sense? The Wikipedia article on ligatures says "In hand writing, a ligature is made by joining two or more characters in atypical fashion by merging their parts or by writing one above or inside the other. While in printing, a ligature is a group of characters that is typeset as a unit, and the characters do not have to be joined." ...
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
... But for most letter connections in the sample image, neither of these holds. The connection of "i" to "j" looks exactly like the connections of "i" to "g", "l", or "o", or of "a" or "m" to "o", so it's not an atypical connection in this typeface. And it's highly unlikely that the typeface provides "chig" or "ilung" as individual "sorts" to be typeset as a unit, even though those letters are connected.
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
17
down vote
accepted
This is "ij", not "ÿ" ("y" with diaeresis). It's just a peculiarity of the font used for this map that many letters connect to the following one (compare "i", "m", and "t" in "Iriomote"), so that "i" followed by "j" looks a bit like a dotted "y".
answered Sep 16 at 15:43
Uwe
7,20222639
... a peculiarity called a ligature (German: Ligatur).
– Christian Geiselmann
Sep 17 at 8:40
@ChristianGeiselmann "Ligature" in which sense? The Wikipedia article on ligatures says "In hand writing, a ligature is made by joining two or more characters in atypical fashion by merging their parts or by writing one above or inside the other. While in printing, a ligature is a group of characters that is typeset as a unit, and the characters do not have to be joined." ...
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
... But for most letter connections in the sample image, neither of these holds. The connection of "i" to "j" looks exactly like the connections of "i" to "g", "l", or "o", or of "a" or "m" to "o", so it's not an atypical connection in this typeface. And it's highly unlikely that the typeface provides "chig" or "ilung" as individual "sorts" to be typeset as a unit, even though those letters are connected.
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
add a comment |Â
up vote
17
down vote
accepted
This is "ij", not "ÿ" ("y" with diaeresis). It's just a peculiarity of the font used for this map that many letters connect to the following one (compare "i", "m", and "t" in "Iriomote"), so that "i" followed by "j" looks a bit like a dotted "y".
answered Sep 16 at 15:43
Uwe
7,20222639
... a peculiarity called a ligature (German: Ligatur).
– Christian Geiselmann
Sep 17 at 8:40
@ChristianGeiselmann "Ligature" in which sense? The Wikipedia article on ligatures says "In hand writing, a ligature is made by joining two or more characters in atypical fashion by merging their parts or by writing one above or inside the other. While in printing, a ligature is a group of characters that is typeset as a unit, and the characters do not have to be joined." ...
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
... But for most letter connections in the sample image, neither of these holds. The connection of "i" to "j" looks exactly like the connections of "i" to "g", "l", or "o", or of "a" or "m" to "o", so it's not an atypical connection in this typeface. And it's highly unlikely that the typeface provides "chig" or "ilung" as individual "sorts" to be typeset as a unit, even though those letters are connected.
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
add a comment |Â
up vote
17
down vote
accepted
up vote
17
down vote
accepted
This is "ij", not "ÿ" ("y" with diaeresis). It's just a peculiarity of the font used for this map that many letters connect to the following one (compare "i", "m", and "t" in "Iriomote"), so that "i" followed by "j" looks a bit like a dotted "y".
answered Sep 16 at 15:43
Uwe
7,20222639
This is "ij", not "ÿ" ("y" with diaeresis). It's just a peculiarity of the font used for this map that many letters connect to the following one (compare "i", "m", and "t" in "Iriomote"), so that "i" followed by "j" looks a bit like a dotted "y".
answered Sep 16 at 15:43
Uwe
7,20222639
answered Sep 16 at 15:43
Uwe
7,20222639
answered Sep 16 at 15:43
Uwe
7,20222639
answered Sep 16 at 15:43
Uwe
7,20222639
7,20222639
... a peculiarity called a ligature (German: Ligatur).
– Christian Geiselmann
Sep 17 at 8:40
@ChristianGeiselmann "Ligature" in which sense? The Wikipedia article on ligatures says "In hand writing, a ligature is made by joining two or more characters in atypical fashion by merging their parts or by writing one above or inside the other. While in printing, a ligature is a group of characters that is typeset as a unit, and the characters do not have to be joined." ...
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
... But for most letter connections in the sample image, neither of these holds. The connection of "i" to "j" looks exactly like the connections of "i" to "g", "l", or "o", or of "a" or "m" to "o", so it's not an atypical connection in this typeface. And it's highly unlikely that the typeface provides "chig" or "ilung" as individual "sorts" to be typeset as a unit, even though those letters are connected.
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
add a comment |Â
... a peculiarity called a ligature (German: Ligatur).
– Christian Geiselmann
Sep 17 at 8:40
@ChristianGeiselmann "Ligature" in which sense? The Wikipedia article on ligatures says "In hand writing, a ligature is made by joining two or more characters in atypical fashion by merging their parts or by writing one above or inside the other. While in printing, a ligature is a group of characters that is typeset as a unit, and the characters do not have to be joined." ...
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
... But for most letter connections in the sample image, neither of these holds. The connection of "i" to "j" looks exactly like the connections of "i" to "g", "l", or "o", or of "a" or "m" to "o", so it's not an atypical connection in this typeface. And it's highly unlikely that the typeface provides "chig" or "ilung" as individual "sorts" to be typeset as a unit, even though those letters are connected.
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
... a peculiarity called a ligature (German: Ligatur).
– Christian Geiselmann
Sep 17 at 8:40
... a peculiarity called a ligature (German: Ligatur).
– Christian Geiselmann
Sep 17 at 8:40
@ChristianGeiselmann "Ligature" in which sense? The Wikipedia article on ligatures says "In hand writing, a ligature is made by joining two or more characters in atypical fashion by merging their parts or by writing one above or inside the other. While in printing, a ligature is a group of characters that is typeset as a unit, and the characters do not have to be joined." ...
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
@ChristianGeiselmann "Ligature" in which sense? The Wikipedia article on ligatures says "In hand writing, a ligature is made by joining two or more characters in atypical fashion by merging their parts or by writing one above or inside the other. While in printing, a ligature is a group of characters that is typeset as a unit, and the characters do not have to be joined." ...
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
... But for most letter connections in the sample image, neither of these holds. The connection of "i" to "j" looks exactly like the connections of "i" to "g", "l", or "o", or of "a" or "m" to "o", so it's not an atypical connection in this typeface. And it's highly unlikely that the typeface provides "chig" or "ilung" as individual "sorts" to be typeset as a unit, even though those letters are connected.
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
... But for most letter connections in the sample image, neither of these holds. The connection of "i" to "j" looks exactly like the connections of "i" to "g", "l", or "o", or of "a" or "m" to "o", so it's not an atypical connection in this typeface. And it's highly unlikely that the typeface provides "chig" or "ilung" as individual "sorts" to be typeset as a unit, even though those letters are connected.
– Uwe
Sep 17 at 10:54
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Can you show us a y in the respective typeface? It may give a hint as to whether that’s an ÿ or ij we are dealing with.
– Wrzlprmft♦
Sep 16 at 15:42
@Wrzlprmft You are right, I found an 'y' now, and it looks completely different, so this is just a peculiarity of the font, as Uwe puts it below.
– leo
Sep 16 at 17:36