Does the Umber Hulk's confusion attack break grapples?

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A PC Barbarian Orc is grappling an Umber Hulk (MM. p. 292). The Orc fails at the Confusing Gaze saving throw, becoming confused. Does the grapple end because the Orc is confused?



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A PC Barbarian Orc is grappling an Umber Hulk (MM. p. 292). The Orc fails at the Confusing Gaze saving throw, becoming confused. Does the grapple end because the Orc is confused?



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A PC Barbarian Orc is grappling an Umber Hulk (MM. p. 292). The Orc fails at the Confusing Gaze saving throw, becoming confused. Does the grapple end because the Orc is confused?



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The grapple does not end



There are five ways to end a grapple:



  1. The grappler willingly ends it.

  2. The grappled creature escapes using a contest.

  3. The grappler and grappled creature are no longer within reach.

  4. The grappler becomes incapacitated.

  5. The text of an ability or feature specifies that it ends the grapple.

Confusing Gaze does none of these things.




On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing.




Including that it does not break the grapple.




On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all its movement to move in a random direction.




Any creature can bring grappled creatures with them during movement.




On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




Making attacks does not break grappling. If the creature's hands are full, it can always make an Unarmed Strike and still not break the grapple.






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    It should be noted that "confused" isn't a game-defined mechanic. It's not a condition like blinded, charmed, deafened, or grappled. As such, being "confused" does absolutely nothing on it's own and doesn't end a grapple.



    Therefore, we need to look at the grappled condition and the specific ability of the umber hulk.



    The grapple condition ends if:




    • The grappler is incapacitated.


    • An effect removes the grappled creature from the reach of the grappler or grappling effect.




    PHB, pg.290



    or




    You release the target whenever you like.



    The grappled creature escapes by succeeding on a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check contested by your Strength (Athletics) check.




    PHB, pg.195



    The umber hulk's confusing gaze states:




    On a failed save, the creature can't take reactions until the start of its next turn and rolls a d8 to determine what it does during that turn. On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing. On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all of its movement to move in a random direction. On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




    MM, pg.292



    Nothing in the umber hulk's confusing gaze specifically meets the criteria for ending a grapple, therefore, from a strictly mechanical standpoint, it doesn't.



    If the DM decides to rule that the character being "confused" causes him to "no longer have a clear understanding of the characters and battlefield" then it's up to the DM to decide whether that ends a grapple.






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      The grapple does not end



      There are five ways to end a grapple:



      1. The grappler willingly ends it.

      2. The grappled creature escapes using a contest.

      3. The grappler and grappled creature are no longer within reach.

      4. The grappler becomes incapacitated.

      5. The text of an ability or feature specifies that it ends the grapple.

      Confusing Gaze does none of these things.




      On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing.




      Including that it does not break the grapple.




      On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all its movement to move in a random direction.




      Any creature can bring grappled creatures with them during movement.




      On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




      Making attacks does not break grappling. If the creature's hands are full, it can always make an Unarmed Strike and still not break the grapple.






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        The grapple does not end



        There are five ways to end a grapple:



        1. The grappler willingly ends it.

        2. The grappled creature escapes using a contest.

        3. The grappler and grappled creature are no longer within reach.

        4. The grappler becomes incapacitated.

        5. The text of an ability or feature specifies that it ends the grapple.

        Confusing Gaze does none of these things.




        On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing.




        Including that it does not break the grapple.




        On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all its movement to move in a random direction.




        Any creature can bring grappled creatures with them during movement.




        On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




        Making attacks does not break grappling. If the creature's hands are full, it can always make an Unarmed Strike and still not break the grapple.






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          The grapple does not end



          There are five ways to end a grapple:



          1. The grappler willingly ends it.

          2. The grappled creature escapes using a contest.

          3. The grappler and grappled creature are no longer within reach.

          4. The grappler becomes incapacitated.

          5. The text of an ability or feature specifies that it ends the grapple.

          Confusing Gaze does none of these things.




          On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing.




          Including that it does not break the grapple.




          On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all its movement to move in a random direction.




          Any creature can bring grappled creatures with them during movement.




          On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




          Making attacks does not break grappling. If the creature's hands are full, it can always make an Unarmed Strike and still not break the grapple.






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          The grapple does not end



          There are five ways to end a grapple:



          1. The grappler willingly ends it.

          2. The grappled creature escapes using a contest.

          3. The grappler and grappled creature are no longer within reach.

          4. The grappler becomes incapacitated.

          5. The text of an ability or feature specifies that it ends the grapple.

          Confusing Gaze does none of these things.




          On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing.




          Including that it does not break the grapple.




          On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all its movement to move in a random direction.




          Any creature can bring grappled creatures with them during movement.




          On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




          Making attacks does not break grappling. If the creature's hands are full, it can always make an Unarmed Strike and still not break the grapple.







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              It should be noted that "confused" isn't a game-defined mechanic. It's not a condition like blinded, charmed, deafened, or grappled. As such, being "confused" does absolutely nothing on it's own and doesn't end a grapple.



              Therefore, we need to look at the grappled condition and the specific ability of the umber hulk.



              The grapple condition ends if:




              • The grappler is incapacitated.


              • An effect removes the grappled creature from the reach of the grappler or grappling effect.




              PHB, pg.290



              or




              You release the target whenever you like.



              The grappled creature escapes by succeeding on a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check contested by your Strength (Athletics) check.




              PHB, pg.195



              The umber hulk's confusing gaze states:




              On a failed save, the creature can't take reactions until the start of its next turn and rolls a d8 to determine what it does during that turn. On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing. On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all of its movement to move in a random direction. On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




              MM, pg.292



              Nothing in the umber hulk's confusing gaze specifically meets the criteria for ending a grapple, therefore, from a strictly mechanical standpoint, it doesn't.



              If the DM decides to rule that the character being "confused" causes him to "no longer have a clear understanding of the characters and battlefield" then it's up to the DM to decide whether that ends a grapple.






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                It should be noted that "confused" isn't a game-defined mechanic. It's not a condition like blinded, charmed, deafened, or grappled. As such, being "confused" does absolutely nothing on it's own and doesn't end a grapple.



                Therefore, we need to look at the grappled condition and the specific ability of the umber hulk.



                The grapple condition ends if:




                • The grappler is incapacitated.


                • An effect removes the grappled creature from the reach of the grappler or grappling effect.




                PHB, pg.290



                or




                You release the target whenever you like.



                The grappled creature escapes by succeeding on a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check contested by your Strength (Athletics) check.




                PHB, pg.195



                The umber hulk's confusing gaze states:




                On a failed save, the creature can't take reactions until the start of its next turn and rolls a d8 to determine what it does during that turn. On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing. On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all of its movement to move in a random direction. On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




                MM, pg.292



                Nothing in the umber hulk's confusing gaze specifically meets the criteria for ending a grapple, therefore, from a strictly mechanical standpoint, it doesn't.



                If the DM decides to rule that the character being "confused" causes him to "no longer have a clear understanding of the characters and battlefield" then it's up to the DM to decide whether that ends a grapple.






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                  It should be noted that "confused" isn't a game-defined mechanic. It's not a condition like blinded, charmed, deafened, or grappled. As such, being "confused" does absolutely nothing on it's own and doesn't end a grapple.



                  Therefore, we need to look at the grappled condition and the specific ability of the umber hulk.



                  The grapple condition ends if:




                  • The grappler is incapacitated.


                  • An effect removes the grappled creature from the reach of the grappler or grappling effect.




                  PHB, pg.290



                  or




                  You release the target whenever you like.



                  The grappled creature escapes by succeeding on a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check contested by your Strength (Athletics) check.




                  PHB, pg.195



                  The umber hulk's confusing gaze states:




                  On a failed save, the creature can't take reactions until the start of its next turn and rolls a d8 to determine what it does during that turn. On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing. On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all of its movement to move in a random direction. On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




                  MM, pg.292



                  Nothing in the umber hulk's confusing gaze specifically meets the criteria for ending a grapple, therefore, from a strictly mechanical standpoint, it doesn't.



                  If the DM decides to rule that the character being "confused" causes him to "no longer have a clear understanding of the characters and battlefield" then it's up to the DM to decide whether that ends a grapple.






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                  It should be noted that "confused" isn't a game-defined mechanic. It's not a condition like blinded, charmed, deafened, or grappled. As such, being "confused" does absolutely nothing on it's own and doesn't end a grapple.



                  Therefore, we need to look at the grappled condition and the specific ability of the umber hulk.



                  The grapple condition ends if:




                  • The grappler is incapacitated.


                  • An effect removes the grappled creature from the reach of the grappler or grappling effect.




                  PHB, pg.290



                  or




                  You release the target whenever you like.



                  The grappled creature escapes by succeeding on a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check contested by your Strength (Athletics) check.




                  PHB, pg.195



                  The umber hulk's confusing gaze states:




                  On a failed save, the creature can't take reactions until the start of its next turn and rolls a d8 to determine what it does during that turn. On a 1 to 4, the creature does nothing. On a 5 or 6, the creature takes no action but uses all of its movement to move in a random direction. On a 7 or 8, the creature makes one melee attack against a random creature, or it does nothing if no creature is within reach.




                  MM, pg.292



                  Nothing in the umber hulk's confusing gaze specifically meets the criteria for ending a grapple, therefore, from a strictly mechanical standpoint, it doesn't.



                  If the DM decides to rule that the character being "confused" causes him to "no longer have a clear understanding of the characters and battlefield" then it's up to the DM to decide whether that ends a grapple.







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