Does learning a spell through the Magic Initiate feat allow me to cast that spell from a spell scroll?
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Bob the Fighter takes the Magic Initiate feat and selects hex as his once-per-day spell given by the feat.
Bob later finds a Spell Scroll of hex.
Can Bob use that spell scroll, or not?
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Bob the Fighter takes the Magic Initiate feat and selects hex as his once-per-day spell given by the feat.
Bob later finds a Spell Scroll of hex.
Can Bob use that spell scroll, or not?
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Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
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Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
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Bob the Fighter takes the Magic Initiate feat and selects hex as his once-per-day spell given by the feat.
Bob later finds a Spell Scroll of hex.
Can Bob use that spell scroll, or not?
dnd-5e spells magic-items feats
edited Sep 19 at 17:28
V2Blast
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Gael L
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Bob the Fighter takes the Magic Initiate feat and selects hex as his once-per-day spell given by the feat.
Bob later finds a Spell Scroll of hex.
Can Bob use that spell scroll, or not?
dnd-5e spells magic-items feats
dnd-5e spells magic-items feats
edited Sep 19 at 17:28
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asked Sep 19 at 15:32
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edited Sep 19 at 17:28
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asked Sep 19 at 15:32
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Gael L
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Gael L
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Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
– Rubiksmoose
Sep 19 at 16:36
Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
– Gael L
Sep 19 at 16:46
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Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
– Rubiksmoose
Sep 19 at 16:36
Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
– Gael L
Sep 19 at 16:46
Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
– Rubiksmoose
Sep 19 at 16:36
Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
– Rubiksmoose
Sep 19 at 16:36
Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
– Gael L
Sep 19 at 16:46
Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
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Sep 19 at 16:46
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No, Bob can't use that spell scroll
To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spellÂÂ
The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.
You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level.ÂÂ
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You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
– GreySage
Sep 19 at 16:20
@GreySage good point. Added
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 16:26
This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
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Sep 19 at 16:59
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Bob does not have a spell list
As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)
The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from a class's spell list:
From PHB, pg. 168:
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]
Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.
Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.
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Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
– Davo
Sep 19 at 16:43
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@Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 17:16
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Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
– Davo
Sep 19 at 17:29
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Ah yes, you were correct. I shouldn't have said another. Thanks for the edit.
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No, Bob can't use that spell scroll
To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spellÂÂ
The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.
You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level.ÂÂ
edited Sep 19 at 17:26
V2Blast
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You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
– GreySage
Sep 19 at 16:20
@GreySage good point. Added
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 16:26
This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
– Xanthir
Sep 19 at 16:59
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No, Bob can't use that spell scroll
To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spellÂÂ
The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.
You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level.ÂÂ
edited Sep 19 at 17:26
V2Blast
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answered Sep 19 at 15:46
David Coffron
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You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
– GreySage
Sep 19 at 16:20
@GreySage good point. Added
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 16:26
This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
– Xanthir
Sep 19 at 16:59
add a comment |Â
up vote
14
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up vote
14
down vote
accepted
No, Bob can't use that spell scroll
To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spellÂÂ
The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.
You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level.ÂÂ
edited Sep 19 at 17:26
V2Blast
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answered Sep 19 at 15:46
David Coffron
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No, Bob can't use that spell scroll
To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spellÂÂ
The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.
You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level.ÂÂ
edited Sep 19 at 17:26
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answered Sep 19 at 15:46
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V2Blast
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David Coffron
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You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
– GreySage
Sep 19 at 16:20
@GreySage good point. Added
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 16:26
This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
– Xanthir
Sep 19 at 16:59
add a comment |Â
You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
– GreySage
Sep 19 at 16:20
@GreySage good point. Added
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 16:26
This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
– Xanthir
Sep 19 at 16:59
You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
– GreySage
Sep 19 at 16:20
You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
– GreySage
Sep 19 at 16:20
@GreySage good point. Added
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 16:26
@GreySage good point. Added
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 16:26
This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
– Xanthir
Sep 19 at 16:59
This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
– Xanthir
Sep 19 at 16:59
add a comment |Â
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Bob does not have a spell list
As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)
The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from a class's spell list:
From PHB, pg. 168:
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]
Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.
Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.
edited Sep 19 at 18:20
Davo
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Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
– Davo
Sep 19 at 16:43
2
@Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 17:16
1
Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
– Davo
Sep 19 at 17:29
1
Ah yes, you were correct. I shouldn't have said another. Thanks for the edit.
– NathanS
Sep 20 at 7:38
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5
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Bob does not have a spell list
As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)
The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from a class's spell list:
From PHB, pg. 168:
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]
Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.
Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.
edited Sep 19 at 18:20
Davo
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answered Sep 19 at 16:00
NathanS
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Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
– Davo
Sep 19 at 16:43
2
@Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 17:16
1
Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
– Davo
Sep 19 at 17:29
1
Ah yes, you were correct. I shouldn't have said another. Thanks for the edit.
– NathanS
Sep 20 at 7:38
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up vote
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Bob does not have a spell list
As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)
The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from a class's spell list:
From PHB, pg. 168:
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]
Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.
Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.
edited Sep 19 at 18:20
Davo
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answered Sep 19 at 16:00
NathanS
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Bob does not have a spell list
As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."
If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)
The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from a class's spell list:
From PHB, pg. 168:
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]
Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.
Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.
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Davo
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Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
– Davo
Sep 19 at 16:43
2
@Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 17:16
1
Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
– Davo
Sep 19 at 17:29
1
Ah yes, you were correct. I shouldn't have said another. Thanks for the edit.
– NathanS
Sep 20 at 7:38
add a comment |Â
1
Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
– Davo
Sep 19 at 16:43
2
@Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 17:16
1
Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
– Davo
Sep 19 at 17:29
1
Ah yes, you were correct. I shouldn't have said another. Thanks for the edit.
– NathanS
Sep 20 at 7:38
1
1
Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
– Davo
Sep 19 at 16:43
Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
– Davo
Sep 19 at 16:43
2
2
@Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 17:16
@Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
– David Coffron
Sep 19 at 17:16
1
1
Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
– Davo
Sep 19 at 17:29
Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
– Davo
Sep 19 at 17:29
1
1
Ah yes, you were correct. I shouldn't have said another. Thanks for the edit.
– NathanS
Sep 20 at 7:38
Ah yes, you were correct. I shouldn't have said another. Thanks for the edit.
– NathanS
Sep 20 at 7:38
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Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
– Rubiksmoose
Sep 19 at 16:36
Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
– Gael L
Sep 19 at 16:46