Should I put application into /usr/local or /usr/local/share?

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What are the "standards" -- should I put application (not just binary, but entire distribution) to /usr/local or /usr/local/share.
For example scala or weka -- it contains examples, binaries, libraries, and so on. So it would be
/usr/local/scala-2.9.1
or
/usr/local/share/scala-2.9.1
Since I am the only admin it is not a big deal for me, but I prefer to using something which is widely used, not with my own customs.
Important: I am not asking about cases, where you should split app into /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib and so on. Rather I am asking about case when you have to keep one main directory for entire application.
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What are the "standards" -- should I put application (not just binary, but entire distribution) to /usr/local or /usr/local/share.
For example scala or weka -- it contains examples, binaries, libraries, and so on. So it would be
/usr/local/scala-2.9.1
or
/usr/local/share/scala-2.9.1
Since I am the only admin it is not a big deal for me, but I prefer to using something which is widely used, not with my own customs.
Important: I am not asking about cases, where you should split app into /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib and so on. Rather I am asking about case when you have to keep one main directory for entire application.
software-installation directory-structure application
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I think /opt is more customary in this sort of context.
– Faheem Mitha
Sep 13 '11 at 8:56
@Faheem Mitha, very good point. Thanks to you I found such explanation "/opt/'provider' directory tree, similar to the way in which Windows will install new software to its own directory tree C:WindowsProgam Files"Program Name" from linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/… Could you please post your comment as answer, so I would mark it as THE answer? Thank you.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 10:22
@greenoldman: also please realize that keeping all files in a single dir is not the "standard" way to install applications in Unix./optis indeed the right answer, but it is not "widely used" by traditional Unix/Linux software. There are great reasons to split your files in multiple dirs, and also to differenciate/usrfrom/usr/local
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:06
For example, keeping all executables from all applications in a single/usr/bin(or/usr/local/bin) allows your $PATH to reach all software without needing to edit it for each software, a concept that does not exist in Windows
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:12
add a comment |
What are the "standards" -- should I put application (not just binary, but entire distribution) to /usr/local or /usr/local/share.
For example scala or weka -- it contains examples, binaries, libraries, and so on. So it would be
/usr/local/scala-2.9.1
or
/usr/local/share/scala-2.9.1
Since I am the only admin it is not a big deal for me, but I prefer to using something which is widely used, not with my own customs.
Important: I am not asking about cases, where you should split app into /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib and so on. Rather I am asking about case when you have to keep one main directory for entire application.
software-installation directory-structure application
What are the "standards" -- should I put application (not just binary, but entire distribution) to /usr/local or /usr/local/share.
For example scala or weka -- it contains examples, binaries, libraries, and so on. So it would be
/usr/local/scala-2.9.1
or
/usr/local/share/scala-2.9.1
Since I am the only admin it is not a big deal for me, but I prefer to using something which is widely used, not with my own customs.
Important: I am not asking about cases, where you should split app into /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib and so on. Rather I am asking about case when you have to keep one main directory for entire application.
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I think /opt is more customary in this sort of context.
– Faheem Mitha
Sep 13 '11 at 8:56
@Faheem Mitha, very good point. Thanks to you I found such explanation "/opt/'provider' directory tree, similar to the way in which Windows will install new software to its own directory tree C:WindowsProgam Files"Program Name" from linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/… Could you please post your comment as answer, so I would mark it as THE answer? Thank you.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 10:22
@greenoldman: also please realize that keeping all files in a single dir is not the "standard" way to install applications in Unix./optis indeed the right answer, but it is not "widely used" by traditional Unix/Linux software. There are great reasons to split your files in multiple dirs, and also to differenciate/usrfrom/usr/local
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:06
For example, keeping all executables from all applications in a single/usr/bin(or/usr/local/bin) allows your $PATH to reach all software without needing to edit it for each software, a concept that does not exist in Windows
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:12
add a comment |
6
I think /opt is more customary in this sort of context.
– Faheem Mitha
Sep 13 '11 at 8:56
@Faheem Mitha, very good point. Thanks to you I found such explanation "/opt/'provider' directory tree, similar to the way in which Windows will install new software to its own directory tree C:WindowsProgam Files"Program Name" from linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/… Could you please post your comment as answer, so I would mark it as THE answer? Thank you.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 10:22
@greenoldman: also please realize that keeping all files in a single dir is not the "standard" way to install applications in Unix./optis indeed the right answer, but it is not "widely used" by traditional Unix/Linux software. There are great reasons to split your files in multiple dirs, and also to differenciate/usrfrom/usr/local
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:06
For example, keeping all executables from all applications in a single/usr/bin(or/usr/local/bin) allows your $PATH to reach all software without needing to edit it for each software, a concept that does not exist in Windows
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:12
6
6
I think /opt is more customary in this sort of context.
– Faheem Mitha
Sep 13 '11 at 8:56
I think /opt is more customary in this sort of context.
– Faheem Mitha
Sep 13 '11 at 8:56
@Faheem Mitha, very good point. Thanks to you I found such explanation "/opt/'provider' directory tree, similar to the way in which Windows will install new software to its own directory tree C:WindowsProgam Files"Program Name" from linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/… Could you please post your comment as answer, so I would mark it as THE answer? Thank you.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 10:22
@Faheem Mitha, very good point. Thanks to you I found such explanation "/opt/'provider' directory tree, similar to the way in which Windows will install new software to its own directory tree C:WindowsProgam Files"Program Name" from linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/… Could you please post your comment as answer, so I would mark it as THE answer? Thank you.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 10:22
@greenoldman: also please realize that keeping all files in a single dir is not the "standard" way to install applications in Unix.
/opt is indeed the right answer, but it is not "widely used" by traditional Unix/Linux software. There are great reasons to split your files in multiple dirs, and also to differenciate /usr from /usr/local– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:06
@greenoldman: also please realize that keeping all files in a single dir is not the "standard" way to install applications in Unix.
/opt is indeed the right answer, but it is not "widely used" by traditional Unix/Linux software. There are great reasons to split your files in multiple dirs, and also to differenciate /usr from /usr/local– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:06
For example, keeping all executables from all applications in a single
/usr/bin (or /usr/local/bin) allows your $PATH to reach all software without needing to edit it for each software, a concept that does not exist in Windows– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:12
For example, keeping all executables from all applications in a single
/usr/bin (or /usr/local/bin) allows your $PATH to reach all software without needing to edit it for each software, a concept that does not exist in Windows– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:12
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I think /opt is more standard in this sort of context. The relevant section in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard is quoted below.
Distributions may install software in /opt, but must not modify or
delete software installed by the local system administrator without
the assent of the local system administrator.
 Rationale The use of /opt for add-on software is a
well-established practice in the UNIX community. The System V
Application Binary Interface [AT&T 1990], based on the System V
Interface Definition (Third Edition), provides for an /opt structure
very similar to the one defined here.
The Intel Binary Compatibility Standard v. 2 (iBCS2) also provides a
similar structure for /opt.
Generally, all data required to support a package on a system must be
present within /opt/, including files intended to be copied
into /etc/opt/ and /var/opt/ as well as reserved
directories in /opt.
The minor restrictions on distributions using /opt are necessary
because conflicts are possible between distribution-installed and
locally-installed software, especially in the case of fixed pathnames
found in some binary software.
The structure of the directories below /opt/ is left up to
the packager of the software, though it is recommended that packages
are installed in /opt// and follow a similar
structure to the guidelines for /opt/package. A valid reason for
diverging from this structure is for support packages which may have
files installed in /opt//lib or /opt//bin.
add a comment |
You should only use /usr/local/share for files which are not specific to a particular architecture / OS version.
After that it's up to you whether you distribute the files between the existing subdirs of /usr/local or if you create a new dedicated directory in /usr/local (but the latter will not already exist on the executable PATH, the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, nor the MANPATH).
Have a look at the FHS
Thank you. So, if it is an analogy from Windows, it should be /usr/local/SPECIAL_APP and inside there should be its subdirectories, right?
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 17:38
@greenoldman: nope. No analogy will fit because Windows and Linux use different models: In windows, you usually keep all files in a single dir, where in Linux you usually split them overbin,share,lib, etc
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:09
add a comment |
Until /opt became common, the usual place was /usr/local/lib/<package>.
1
From what I read, /opt is pretty common, only not used widely, but this is not a surpise if you think of the amount of packages available in repositories.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 11:07
add a comment |
When installing local applications, there are multiple options depending on how you want to access and update. Also should be noted that some methods look more like the system you already have and some are more ad-hoc. I would suggest that the "best" solutions are the ones that make things easier to manage.
I have split this answer based on the number of packages to make custom installs for. The splitting is based on my own experiences. These experiences weigh the time it takes to manage the packages and the risks of messing up something. I do not mean that I have the knowledge of common standards but mean this as a reference point to look when making the decision.
For only few packages,I would to put add-on packages in /opt, where they are out of the way of everything else so nothing can mess them up and they can mess something else up. This is the method I use on my NAS. This method however keeps the binaries off your PATH, so you will need to add them manually. This works well if there are only few packages to install, but becomes quite a mess if there are many.
Updating here is quite easy as you simply overwrite the directory.
Pros:
- simple
- fast to setup
- no chance at affecting other parts of the system
- uninstall is as easy as install
Cons:
- Becomes rather tedious if the number of packages to install is large
- Makes
PATHlook messy
For more than a few packages, I would recommend using the /usr/local/<your package> and sym-linking the executable from /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin depending on if you need root privileges. This saves you from changing your PATH every time something new is added so the PATH stays clean. This is the method I use on my Arch laptop for all non-pacman packages and AUR packages.
Updating is done by overwriting the package directory and checking that the symlink is still valid and fixing if it isn't.
Pros
- Doesn't make
PATHmessy - Doesn't affect the base system
- Still very simple to remove all add-ons and return to a clean base system
Cons:
- More work to setup
- Removing only one package has some searching to do
For many packages. As this isn't the case you are wanting I will keep it brief. I would recommend splitting the package into bin, lib,share, etc. and installing them to /usr/local. This is to keep the structure clean. You can also specify who can write where and more. For example you don't want people other than root modifying the executable.
Here the updating gets a little more tricky as you need to write to more than a single directory. I would recommend packaging the whole thing and letting the package manager handle the rest.
The share
The share directory itself is for architecture independent files as noted in Faheem's link and the architecture dependent files should go to lib, lib32, lib64, etc.
Giving advice based on number of packages is not useful; how do I know which group my package belongs to?
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:40
Also, when you say "it is recommended", reference source or state clearly that it's your recommendation (I'm guessing the latter...?)
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:41
And by the way, I don't see how in /opt there would be lesser chance of things messing up your app than when it's spread to /usr etc. Messing up other apps is mush more about naming things properly and not having bugs in install scripts.
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:43
It is definitely about naming that makes things messed up. It is something that I have experienced in the past and that is why I like to keep my "extra" packages away from everything else. I still don't want it to make things look ugly.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 16:57
And yes you are correct about the "it is recommended" as you may see from my answer I have used "I would recommend" everywhere else. I have now fixed my spelling and cleared why I would recommend something. Again it is just my perspective and not meant as a definitive answer.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 17:04
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I think /opt is more standard in this sort of context. The relevant section in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard is quoted below.
Distributions may install software in /opt, but must not modify or
delete software installed by the local system administrator without
the assent of the local system administrator.
 Rationale The use of /opt for add-on software is a
well-established practice in the UNIX community. The System V
Application Binary Interface [AT&T 1990], based on the System V
Interface Definition (Third Edition), provides for an /opt structure
very similar to the one defined here.
The Intel Binary Compatibility Standard v. 2 (iBCS2) also provides a
similar structure for /opt.
Generally, all data required to support a package on a system must be
present within /opt/, including files intended to be copied
into /etc/opt/ and /var/opt/ as well as reserved
directories in /opt.
The minor restrictions on distributions using /opt are necessary
because conflicts are possible between distribution-installed and
locally-installed software, especially in the case of fixed pathnames
found in some binary software.
The structure of the directories below /opt/ is left up to
the packager of the software, though it is recommended that packages
are installed in /opt// and follow a similar
structure to the guidelines for /opt/package. A valid reason for
diverging from this structure is for support packages which may have
files installed in /opt//lib or /opt//bin.
add a comment |
I think /opt is more standard in this sort of context. The relevant section in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard is quoted below.
Distributions may install software in /opt, but must not modify or
delete software installed by the local system administrator without
the assent of the local system administrator.
 Rationale The use of /opt for add-on software is a
well-established practice in the UNIX community. The System V
Application Binary Interface [AT&T 1990], based on the System V
Interface Definition (Third Edition), provides for an /opt structure
very similar to the one defined here.
The Intel Binary Compatibility Standard v. 2 (iBCS2) also provides a
similar structure for /opt.
Generally, all data required to support a package on a system must be
present within /opt/, including files intended to be copied
into /etc/opt/ and /var/opt/ as well as reserved
directories in /opt.
The minor restrictions on distributions using /opt are necessary
because conflicts are possible between distribution-installed and
locally-installed software, especially in the case of fixed pathnames
found in some binary software.
The structure of the directories below /opt/ is left up to
the packager of the software, though it is recommended that packages
are installed in /opt// and follow a similar
structure to the guidelines for /opt/package. A valid reason for
diverging from this structure is for support packages which may have
files installed in /opt//lib or /opt//bin.
add a comment |
I think /opt is more standard in this sort of context. The relevant section in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard is quoted below.
Distributions may install software in /opt, but must not modify or
delete software installed by the local system administrator without
the assent of the local system administrator.
 Rationale The use of /opt for add-on software is a
well-established practice in the UNIX community. The System V
Application Binary Interface [AT&T 1990], based on the System V
Interface Definition (Third Edition), provides for an /opt structure
very similar to the one defined here.
The Intel Binary Compatibility Standard v. 2 (iBCS2) also provides a
similar structure for /opt.
Generally, all data required to support a package on a system must be
present within /opt/, including files intended to be copied
into /etc/opt/ and /var/opt/ as well as reserved
directories in /opt.
The minor restrictions on distributions using /opt are necessary
because conflicts are possible between distribution-installed and
locally-installed software, especially in the case of fixed pathnames
found in some binary software.
The structure of the directories below /opt/ is left up to
the packager of the software, though it is recommended that packages
are installed in /opt// and follow a similar
structure to the guidelines for /opt/package. A valid reason for
diverging from this structure is for support packages which may have
files installed in /opt//lib or /opt//bin.
I think /opt is more standard in this sort of context. The relevant section in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard is quoted below.
Distributions may install software in /opt, but must not modify or
delete software installed by the local system administrator without
the assent of the local system administrator.
 Rationale The use of /opt for add-on software is a
well-established practice in the UNIX community. The System V
Application Binary Interface [AT&T 1990], based on the System V
Interface Definition (Third Edition), provides for an /opt structure
very similar to the one defined here.
The Intel Binary Compatibility Standard v. 2 (iBCS2) also provides a
similar structure for /opt.
Generally, all data required to support a package on a system must be
present within /opt/, including files intended to be copied
into /etc/opt/ and /var/opt/ as well as reserved
directories in /opt.
The minor restrictions on distributions using /opt are necessary
because conflicts are possible between distribution-installed and
locally-installed software, especially in the case of fixed pathnames
found in some binary software.
The structure of the directories below /opt/ is left up to
the packager of the software, though it is recommended that packages
are installed in /opt// and follow a similar
structure to the guidelines for /opt/package. A valid reason for
diverging from this structure is for support packages which may have
files installed in /opt//lib or /opt//bin.
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You should only use /usr/local/share for files which are not specific to a particular architecture / OS version.
After that it's up to you whether you distribute the files between the existing subdirs of /usr/local or if you create a new dedicated directory in /usr/local (but the latter will not already exist on the executable PATH, the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, nor the MANPATH).
Have a look at the FHS
Thank you. So, if it is an analogy from Windows, it should be /usr/local/SPECIAL_APP and inside there should be its subdirectories, right?
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 17:38
@greenoldman: nope. No analogy will fit because Windows and Linux use different models: In windows, you usually keep all files in a single dir, where in Linux you usually split them overbin,share,lib, etc
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:09
add a comment |
You should only use /usr/local/share for files which are not specific to a particular architecture / OS version.
After that it's up to you whether you distribute the files between the existing subdirs of /usr/local or if you create a new dedicated directory in /usr/local (but the latter will not already exist on the executable PATH, the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, nor the MANPATH).
Have a look at the FHS
Thank you. So, if it is an analogy from Windows, it should be /usr/local/SPECIAL_APP and inside there should be its subdirectories, right?
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 17:38
@greenoldman: nope. No analogy will fit because Windows and Linux use different models: In windows, you usually keep all files in a single dir, where in Linux you usually split them overbin,share,lib, etc
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:09
add a comment |
You should only use /usr/local/share for files which are not specific to a particular architecture / OS version.
After that it's up to you whether you distribute the files between the existing subdirs of /usr/local or if you create a new dedicated directory in /usr/local (but the latter will not already exist on the executable PATH, the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, nor the MANPATH).
Have a look at the FHS
You should only use /usr/local/share for files which are not specific to a particular architecture / OS version.
After that it's up to you whether you distribute the files between the existing subdirs of /usr/local or if you create a new dedicated directory in /usr/local (but the latter will not already exist on the executable PATH, the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, nor the MANPATH).
Have a look at the FHS
answered Sep 13 '11 at 15:11
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Thank you. So, if it is an analogy from Windows, it should be /usr/local/SPECIAL_APP and inside there should be its subdirectories, right?
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 17:38
@greenoldman: nope. No analogy will fit because Windows and Linux use different models: In windows, you usually keep all files in a single dir, where in Linux you usually split them overbin,share,lib, etc
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:09
add a comment |
Thank you. So, if it is an analogy from Windows, it should be /usr/local/SPECIAL_APP and inside there should be its subdirectories, right?
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 17:38
@greenoldman: nope. No analogy will fit because Windows and Linux use different models: In windows, you usually keep all files in a single dir, where in Linux you usually split them overbin,share,lib, etc
– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:09
Thank you. So, if it is an analogy from Windows, it should be /usr/local/SPECIAL_APP and inside there should be its subdirectories, right?
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 17:38
Thank you. So, if it is an analogy from Windows, it should be /usr/local/SPECIAL_APP and inside there should be its subdirectories, right?
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 17:38
@greenoldman: nope. No analogy will fit because Windows and Linux use different models: In windows, you usually keep all files in a single dir, where in Linux you usually split them over
bin, share, lib, etc– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:09
@greenoldman: nope. No analogy will fit because Windows and Linux use different models: In windows, you usually keep all files in a single dir, where in Linux you usually split them over
bin, share, lib, etc– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:09
add a comment |
Until /opt became common, the usual place was /usr/local/lib/<package>.
1
From what I read, /opt is pretty common, only not used widely, but this is not a surpise if you think of the amount of packages available in repositories.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 11:07
add a comment |
Until /opt became common, the usual place was /usr/local/lib/<package>.
1
From what I read, /opt is pretty common, only not used widely, but this is not a surpise if you think of the amount of packages available in repositories.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 11:07
add a comment |
Until /opt became common, the usual place was /usr/local/lib/<package>.
Until /opt became common, the usual place was /usr/local/lib/<package>.
answered Sep 13 '11 at 10:46
TeddyTeddy
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From what I read, /opt is pretty common, only not used widely, but this is not a surpise if you think of the amount of packages available in repositories.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 11:07
add a comment |
1
From what I read, /opt is pretty common, only not used widely, but this is not a surpise if you think of the amount of packages available in repositories.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 11:07
1
1
From what I read, /opt is pretty common, only not used widely, but this is not a surpise if you think of the amount of packages available in repositories.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 11:07
From what I read, /opt is pretty common, only not used widely, but this is not a surpise if you think of the amount of packages available in repositories.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 11:07
add a comment |
When installing local applications, there are multiple options depending on how you want to access and update. Also should be noted that some methods look more like the system you already have and some are more ad-hoc. I would suggest that the "best" solutions are the ones that make things easier to manage.
I have split this answer based on the number of packages to make custom installs for. The splitting is based on my own experiences. These experiences weigh the time it takes to manage the packages and the risks of messing up something. I do not mean that I have the knowledge of common standards but mean this as a reference point to look when making the decision.
For only few packages,I would to put add-on packages in /opt, where they are out of the way of everything else so nothing can mess them up and they can mess something else up. This is the method I use on my NAS. This method however keeps the binaries off your PATH, so you will need to add them manually. This works well if there are only few packages to install, but becomes quite a mess if there are many.
Updating here is quite easy as you simply overwrite the directory.
Pros:
- simple
- fast to setup
- no chance at affecting other parts of the system
- uninstall is as easy as install
Cons:
- Becomes rather tedious if the number of packages to install is large
- Makes
PATHlook messy
For more than a few packages, I would recommend using the /usr/local/<your package> and sym-linking the executable from /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin depending on if you need root privileges. This saves you from changing your PATH every time something new is added so the PATH stays clean. This is the method I use on my Arch laptop for all non-pacman packages and AUR packages.
Updating is done by overwriting the package directory and checking that the symlink is still valid and fixing if it isn't.
Pros
- Doesn't make
PATHmessy - Doesn't affect the base system
- Still very simple to remove all add-ons and return to a clean base system
Cons:
- More work to setup
- Removing only one package has some searching to do
For many packages. As this isn't the case you are wanting I will keep it brief. I would recommend splitting the package into bin, lib,share, etc. and installing them to /usr/local. This is to keep the structure clean. You can also specify who can write where and more. For example you don't want people other than root modifying the executable.
Here the updating gets a little more tricky as you need to write to more than a single directory. I would recommend packaging the whole thing and letting the package manager handle the rest.
The share
The share directory itself is for architecture independent files as noted in Faheem's link and the architecture dependent files should go to lib, lib32, lib64, etc.
Giving advice based on number of packages is not useful; how do I know which group my package belongs to?
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:40
Also, when you say "it is recommended", reference source or state clearly that it's your recommendation (I'm guessing the latter...?)
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:41
And by the way, I don't see how in /opt there would be lesser chance of things messing up your app than when it's spread to /usr etc. Messing up other apps is mush more about naming things properly and not having bugs in install scripts.
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:43
It is definitely about naming that makes things messed up. It is something that I have experienced in the past and that is why I like to keep my "extra" packages away from everything else. I still don't want it to make things look ugly.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 16:57
And yes you are correct about the "it is recommended" as you may see from my answer I have used "I would recommend" everywhere else. I have now fixed my spelling and cleared why I would recommend something. Again it is just my perspective and not meant as a definitive answer.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 17:04
add a comment |
When installing local applications, there are multiple options depending on how you want to access and update. Also should be noted that some methods look more like the system you already have and some are more ad-hoc. I would suggest that the "best" solutions are the ones that make things easier to manage.
I have split this answer based on the number of packages to make custom installs for. The splitting is based on my own experiences. These experiences weigh the time it takes to manage the packages and the risks of messing up something. I do not mean that I have the knowledge of common standards but mean this as a reference point to look when making the decision.
For only few packages,I would to put add-on packages in /opt, where they are out of the way of everything else so nothing can mess them up and they can mess something else up. This is the method I use on my NAS. This method however keeps the binaries off your PATH, so you will need to add them manually. This works well if there are only few packages to install, but becomes quite a mess if there are many.
Updating here is quite easy as you simply overwrite the directory.
Pros:
- simple
- fast to setup
- no chance at affecting other parts of the system
- uninstall is as easy as install
Cons:
- Becomes rather tedious if the number of packages to install is large
- Makes
PATHlook messy
For more than a few packages, I would recommend using the /usr/local/<your package> and sym-linking the executable from /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin depending on if you need root privileges. This saves you from changing your PATH every time something new is added so the PATH stays clean. This is the method I use on my Arch laptop for all non-pacman packages and AUR packages.
Updating is done by overwriting the package directory and checking that the symlink is still valid and fixing if it isn't.
Pros
- Doesn't make
PATHmessy - Doesn't affect the base system
- Still very simple to remove all add-ons and return to a clean base system
Cons:
- More work to setup
- Removing only one package has some searching to do
For many packages. As this isn't the case you are wanting I will keep it brief. I would recommend splitting the package into bin, lib,share, etc. and installing them to /usr/local. This is to keep the structure clean. You can also specify who can write where and more. For example you don't want people other than root modifying the executable.
Here the updating gets a little more tricky as you need to write to more than a single directory. I would recommend packaging the whole thing and letting the package manager handle the rest.
The share
The share directory itself is for architecture independent files as noted in Faheem's link and the architecture dependent files should go to lib, lib32, lib64, etc.
Giving advice based on number of packages is not useful; how do I know which group my package belongs to?
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:40
Also, when you say "it is recommended", reference source or state clearly that it's your recommendation (I'm guessing the latter...?)
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:41
And by the way, I don't see how in /opt there would be lesser chance of things messing up your app than when it's spread to /usr etc. Messing up other apps is mush more about naming things properly and not having bugs in install scripts.
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:43
It is definitely about naming that makes things messed up. It is something that I have experienced in the past and that is why I like to keep my "extra" packages away from everything else. I still don't want it to make things look ugly.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 16:57
And yes you are correct about the "it is recommended" as you may see from my answer I have used "I would recommend" everywhere else. I have now fixed my spelling and cleared why I would recommend something. Again it is just my perspective and not meant as a definitive answer.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 17:04
add a comment |
When installing local applications, there are multiple options depending on how you want to access and update. Also should be noted that some methods look more like the system you already have and some are more ad-hoc. I would suggest that the "best" solutions are the ones that make things easier to manage.
I have split this answer based on the number of packages to make custom installs for. The splitting is based on my own experiences. These experiences weigh the time it takes to manage the packages and the risks of messing up something. I do not mean that I have the knowledge of common standards but mean this as a reference point to look when making the decision.
For only few packages,I would to put add-on packages in /opt, where they are out of the way of everything else so nothing can mess them up and they can mess something else up. This is the method I use on my NAS. This method however keeps the binaries off your PATH, so you will need to add them manually. This works well if there are only few packages to install, but becomes quite a mess if there are many.
Updating here is quite easy as you simply overwrite the directory.
Pros:
- simple
- fast to setup
- no chance at affecting other parts of the system
- uninstall is as easy as install
Cons:
- Becomes rather tedious if the number of packages to install is large
- Makes
PATHlook messy
For more than a few packages, I would recommend using the /usr/local/<your package> and sym-linking the executable from /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin depending on if you need root privileges. This saves you from changing your PATH every time something new is added so the PATH stays clean. This is the method I use on my Arch laptop for all non-pacman packages and AUR packages.
Updating is done by overwriting the package directory and checking that the symlink is still valid and fixing if it isn't.
Pros
- Doesn't make
PATHmessy - Doesn't affect the base system
- Still very simple to remove all add-ons and return to a clean base system
Cons:
- More work to setup
- Removing only one package has some searching to do
For many packages. As this isn't the case you are wanting I will keep it brief. I would recommend splitting the package into bin, lib,share, etc. and installing them to /usr/local. This is to keep the structure clean. You can also specify who can write where and more. For example you don't want people other than root modifying the executable.
Here the updating gets a little more tricky as you need to write to more than a single directory. I would recommend packaging the whole thing and letting the package manager handle the rest.
The share
The share directory itself is for architecture independent files as noted in Faheem's link and the architecture dependent files should go to lib, lib32, lib64, etc.
When installing local applications, there are multiple options depending on how you want to access and update. Also should be noted that some methods look more like the system you already have and some are more ad-hoc. I would suggest that the "best" solutions are the ones that make things easier to manage.
I have split this answer based on the number of packages to make custom installs for. The splitting is based on my own experiences. These experiences weigh the time it takes to manage the packages and the risks of messing up something. I do not mean that I have the knowledge of common standards but mean this as a reference point to look when making the decision.
For only few packages,I would to put add-on packages in /opt, where they are out of the way of everything else so nothing can mess them up and they can mess something else up. This is the method I use on my NAS. This method however keeps the binaries off your PATH, so you will need to add them manually. This works well if there are only few packages to install, but becomes quite a mess if there are many.
Updating here is quite easy as you simply overwrite the directory.
Pros:
- simple
- fast to setup
- no chance at affecting other parts of the system
- uninstall is as easy as install
Cons:
- Becomes rather tedious if the number of packages to install is large
- Makes
PATHlook messy
For more than a few packages, I would recommend using the /usr/local/<your package> and sym-linking the executable from /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin depending on if you need root privileges. This saves you from changing your PATH every time something new is added so the PATH stays clean. This is the method I use on my Arch laptop for all non-pacman packages and AUR packages.
Updating is done by overwriting the package directory and checking that the symlink is still valid and fixing if it isn't.
Pros
- Doesn't make
PATHmessy - Doesn't affect the base system
- Still very simple to remove all add-ons and return to a clean base system
Cons:
- More work to setup
- Removing only one package has some searching to do
For many packages. As this isn't the case you are wanting I will keep it brief. I would recommend splitting the package into bin, lib,share, etc. and installing them to /usr/local. This is to keep the structure clean. You can also specify who can write where and more. For example you don't want people other than root modifying the executable.
Here the updating gets a little more tricky as you need to write to more than a single directory. I would recommend packaging the whole thing and letting the package manager handle the rest.
The share
The share directory itself is for architecture independent files as noted in Faheem's link and the architecture dependent files should go to lib, lib32, lib64, etc.
edited Nov 26 '15 at 16:54
answered Aug 20 '15 at 7:40
Lauri TšiliLauri Tšili
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Giving advice based on number of packages is not useful; how do I know which group my package belongs to?
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:40
Also, when you say "it is recommended", reference source or state clearly that it's your recommendation (I'm guessing the latter...?)
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:41
And by the way, I don't see how in /opt there would be lesser chance of things messing up your app than when it's spread to /usr etc. Messing up other apps is mush more about naming things properly and not having bugs in install scripts.
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:43
It is definitely about naming that makes things messed up. It is something that I have experienced in the past and that is why I like to keep my "extra" packages away from everything else. I still don't want it to make things look ugly.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 16:57
And yes you are correct about the "it is recommended" as you may see from my answer I have used "I would recommend" everywhere else. I have now fixed my spelling and cleared why I would recommend something. Again it is just my perspective and not meant as a definitive answer.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 17:04
add a comment |
Giving advice based on number of packages is not useful; how do I know which group my package belongs to?
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:40
Also, when you say "it is recommended", reference source or state clearly that it's your recommendation (I'm guessing the latter...?)
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:41
And by the way, I don't see how in /opt there would be lesser chance of things messing up your app than when it's spread to /usr etc. Messing up other apps is mush more about naming things properly and not having bugs in install scripts.
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:43
It is definitely about naming that makes things messed up. It is something that I have experienced in the past and that is why I like to keep my "extra" packages away from everything else. I still don't want it to make things look ugly.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 16:57
And yes you are correct about the "it is recommended" as you may see from my answer I have used "I would recommend" everywhere else. I have now fixed my spelling and cleared why I would recommend something. Again it is just my perspective and not meant as a definitive answer.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 17:04
Giving advice based on number of packages is not useful; how do I know which group my package belongs to?
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:40
Giving advice based on number of packages is not useful; how do I know which group my package belongs to?
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:40
Also, when you say "it is recommended", reference source or state clearly that it's your recommendation (I'm guessing the latter...?)
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:41
Also, when you say "it is recommended", reference source or state clearly that it's your recommendation (I'm guessing the latter...?)
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:41
And by the way, I don't see how in /opt there would be lesser chance of things messing up your app than when it's spread to /usr etc. Messing up other apps is mush more about naming things properly and not having bugs in install scripts.
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:43
And by the way, I don't see how in /opt there would be lesser chance of things messing up your app than when it's spread to /usr etc. Messing up other apps is mush more about naming things properly and not having bugs in install scripts.
– Alois Mahdal
Nov 20 '15 at 14:43
It is definitely about naming that makes things messed up. It is something that I have experienced in the past and that is why I like to keep my "extra" packages away from everything else. I still don't want it to make things look ugly.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 16:57
It is definitely about naming that makes things messed up. It is something that I have experienced in the past and that is why I like to keep my "extra" packages away from everything else. I still don't want it to make things look ugly.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 16:57
And yes you are correct about the "it is recommended" as you may see from my answer I have used "I would recommend" everywhere else. I have now fixed my spelling and cleared why I would recommend something. Again it is just my perspective and not meant as a definitive answer.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 17:04
And yes you are correct about the "it is recommended" as you may see from my answer I have used "I would recommend" everywhere else. I have now fixed my spelling and cleared why I would recommend something. Again it is just my perspective and not meant as a definitive answer.
– Lauri Tšili
Nov 26 '15 at 17:04
add a comment |
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I think /opt is more customary in this sort of context.
– Faheem Mitha
Sep 13 '11 at 8:56
@Faheem Mitha, very good point. Thanks to you I found such explanation "/opt/'provider' directory tree, similar to the way in which Windows will install new software to its own directory tree C:WindowsProgam Files"Program Name" from linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/… Could you please post your comment as answer, so I would mark it as THE answer? Thank you.
– greenoldman
Sep 13 '11 at 10:22
@greenoldman: also please realize that keeping all files in a single dir is not the "standard" way to install applications in Unix.
/optis indeed the right answer, but it is not "widely used" by traditional Unix/Linux software. There are great reasons to split your files in multiple dirs, and also to differenciate/usrfrom/usr/local– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:06
For example, keeping all executables from all applications in a single
/usr/bin(or/usr/local/bin) allows your $PATH to reach all software without needing to edit it for each software, a concept that does not exist in Windows– MestreLion
May 1 '13 at 4:12