How to write a score that begins with a pickup note and repeats

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Hi I'm writing a song as a score for piano and vocal. The verses begin with a pickup note on 4. So, after the chorus I end on 4 and then pickup up into the next verse with a repeat sign. The question is: where do I write the pickup notes and lyrics after the chorus? Writing the pickup to the next verse after the chorus and right before the repeat would make sense, but that is really awkward, since you have to go from there back to the beginning (fyi, there are 5 verses). Not very easy on the eyes. I'm just wondering if there is a standard approach to this.










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  • My suggestion is to write the lyric in parantheses, ex ("so I..") to show that it's starting on beat 4, then continue to write the rest as normal!

    – KoshVorlon
    Jan 2 at 16:14






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    Do you actually need a repeat sign? If there's no coda and no introduction, you probably do not. Just shorten the last measure and end the piece with the usual double bar.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 18:28












  • I'm not sure if it's clear: do you have (verse x5) then (chorus), or (verse then chorus) x5?

    – Michael Curtis
    Jan 2 at 18:35















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Hi I'm writing a song as a score for piano and vocal. The verses begin with a pickup note on 4. So, after the chorus I end on 4 and then pickup up into the next verse with a repeat sign. The question is: where do I write the pickup notes and lyrics after the chorus? Writing the pickup to the next verse after the chorus and right before the repeat would make sense, but that is really awkward, since you have to go from there back to the beginning (fyi, there are 5 verses). Not very easy on the eyes. I'm just wondering if there is a standard approach to this.










share|improve this question






















  • My suggestion is to write the lyric in parantheses, ex ("so I..") to show that it's starting on beat 4, then continue to write the rest as normal!

    – KoshVorlon
    Jan 2 at 16:14






  • 1





    Do you actually need a repeat sign? If there's no coda and no introduction, you probably do not. Just shorten the last measure and end the piece with the usual double bar.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 18:28












  • I'm not sure if it's clear: do you have (verse x5) then (chorus), or (verse then chorus) x5?

    – Michael Curtis
    Jan 2 at 18:35













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Hi I'm writing a song as a score for piano and vocal. The verses begin with a pickup note on 4. So, after the chorus I end on 4 and then pickup up into the next verse with a repeat sign. The question is: where do I write the pickup notes and lyrics after the chorus? Writing the pickup to the next verse after the chorus and right before the repeat would make sense, but that is really awkward, since you have to go from there back to the beginning (fyi, there are 5 verses). Not very easy on the eyes. I'm just wondering if there is a standard approach to this.










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Hi I'm writing a song as a score for piano and vocal. The verses begin with a pickup note on 4. So, after the chorus I end on 4 and then pickup up into the next verse with a repeat sign. The question is: where do I write the pickup notes and lyrics after the chorus? Writing the pickup to the next verse after the chorus and right before the repeat would make sense, but that is really awkward, since you have to go from there back to the beginning (fyi, there are 5 verses). Not very easy on the eyes. I'm just wondering if there is a standard approach to this.







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  • My suggestion is to write the lyric in parantheses, ex ("so I..") to show that it's starting on beat 4, then continue to write the rest as normal!

    – KoshVorlon
    Jan 2 at 16:14






  • 1





    Do you actually need a repeat sign? If there's no coda and no introduction, you probably do not. Just shorten the last measure and end the piece with the usual double bar.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 18:28












  • I'm not sure if it's clear: do you have (verse x5) then (chorus), or (verse then chorus) x5?

    – Michael Curtis
    Jan 2 at 18:35

















  • My suggestion is to write the lyric in parantheses, ex ("so I..") to show that it's starting on beat 4, then continue to write the rest as normal!

    – KoshVorlon
    Jan 2 at 16:14






  • 1





    Do you actually need a repeat sign? If there's no coda and no introduction, you probably do not. Just shorten the last measure and end the piece with the usual double bar.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 18:28












  • I'm not sure if it's clear: do you have (verse x5) then (chorus), or (verse then chorus) x5?

    – Michael Curtis
    Jan 2 at 18:35
















My suggestion is to write the lyric in parantheses, ex ("so I..") to show that it's starting on beat 4, then continue to write the rest as normal!

– KoshVorlon
Jan 2 at 16:14





My suggestion is to write the lyric in parantheses, ex ("so I..") to show that it's starting on beat 4, then continue to write the rest as normal!

– KoshVorlon
Jan 2 at 16:14




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Do you actually need a repeat sign? If there's no coda and no introduction, you probably do not. Just shorten the last measure and end the piece with the usual double bar.

– phoog
Jan 2 at 18:28






Do you actually need a repeat sign? If there's no coda and no introduction, you probably do not. Just shorten the last measure and end the piece with the usual double bar.

– phoog
Jan 2 at 18:28














I'm not sure if it's clear: do you have (verse x5) then (chorus), or (verse then chorus) x5?

– Michael Curtis
Jan 2 at 18:35





I'm not sure if it's clear: do you have (verse x5) then (chorus), or (verse then chorus) x5?

– Michael Curtis
Jan 2 at 18:35










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You can do this two ways. Do the first. It really is clearer.



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(How many verses are you going to make the singer(s) perform without a few bars rest though?)






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  • In the absence of an introduction and a coda it's common, and probably better, to dispense with the repeat sign altogether. In that case the last measure is shortened by the duration of the pickup measure, and the beginning of reach verse is printed at the beginning.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 18:28











  • That's OK when making a simple reference lead-sheet of just the words and melody. In a fuller arrangement for performance, the accompanying instruments probably need clearer instructions exactly what to play at the 'turn-round' endings and the actual end.

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 2 at 19:56











  • It applies equally to a lead sheet and to a piano-vocal score, which this question is about. If different verses have different endings, then of course you need some way of notating that, but for most strophic songs there is no need for such complication. People have been writing out such songs for centuries without repeat signs.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 20:04











  • A slight modification of the first option is to duplicate the lyrics for the second and third verses under the initial pickup note as well. Makes it easier to read the lyrics, without the first syllable of the verse being in the wrong place.

    – endorph
    Jan 2 at 22:29











  • That would be the second option!

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 3 at 0:00










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You can do this two ways. Do the first. It really is clearer.



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(How many verses are you going to make the singer(s) perform without a few bars rest though?)






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  • In the absence of an introduction and a coda it's common, and probably better, to dispense with the repeat sign altogether. In that case the last measure is shortened by the duration of the pickup measure, and the beginning of reach verse is printed at the beginning.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 18:28











  • That's OK when making a simple reference lead-sheet of just the words and melody. In a fuller arrangement for performance, the accompanying instruments probably need clearer instructions exactly what to play at the 'turn-round' endings and the actual end.

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 2 at 19:56











  • It applies equally to a lead sheet and to a piano-vocal score, which this question is about. If different verses have different endings, then of course you need some way of notating that, but for most strophic songs there is no need for such complication. People have been writing out such songs for centuries without repeat signs.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 20:04











  • A slight modification of the first option is to duplicate the lyrics for the second and third verses under the initial pickup note as well. Makes it easier to read the lyrics, without the first syllable of the verse being in the wrong place.

    – endorph
    Jan 2 at 22:29











  • That would be the second option!

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 3 at 0:00















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You can do this two ways. Do the first. It really is clearer.



enter image description here



(How many verses are you going to make the singer(s) perform without a few bars rest though?)






share|improve this answer

























  • In the absence of an introduction and a coda it's common, and probably better, to dispense with the repeat sign altogether. In that case the last measure is shortened by the duration of the pickup measure, and the beginning of reach verse is printed at the beginning.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 18:28











  • That's OK when making a simple reference lead-sheet of just the words and melody. In a fuller arrangement for performance, the accompanying instruments probably need clearer instructions exactly what to play at the 'turn-round' endings and the actual end.

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 2 at 19:56











  • It applies equally to a lead sheet and to a piano-vocal score, which this question is about. If different verses have different endings, then of course you need some way of notating that, but for most strophic songs there is no need for such complication. People have been writing out such songs for centuries without repeat signs.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 20:04











  • A slight modification of the first option is to duplicate the lyrics for the second and third verses under the initial pickup note as well. Makes it easier to read the lyrics, without the first syllable of the verse being in the wrong place.

    – endorph
    Jan 2 at 22:29











  • That would be the second option!

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 3 at 0:00













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You can do this two ways. Do the first. It really is clearer.



enter image description here



(How many verses are you going to make the singer(s) perform without a few bars rest though?)






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You can do this two ways. Do the first. It really is clearer.



enter image description here



(How many verses are you going to make the singer(s) perform without a few bars rest though?)







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  • In the absence of an introduction and a coda it's common, and probably better, to dispense with the repeat sign altogether. In that case the last measure is shortened by the duration of the pickup measure, and the beginning of reach verse is printed at the beginning.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 18:28











  • That's OK when making a simple reference lead-sheet of just the words and melody. In a fuller arrangement for performance, the accompanying instruments probably need clearer instructions exactly what to play at the 'turn-round' endings and the actual end.

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 2 at 19:56











  • It applies equally to a lead sheet and to a piano-vocal score, which this question is about. If different verses have different endings, then of course you need some way of notating that, but for most strophic songs there is no need for such complication. People have been writing out such songs for centuries without repeat signs.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 20:04











  • A slight modification of the first option is to duplicate the lyrics for the second and third verses under the initial pickup note as well. Makes it easier to read the lyrics, without the first syllable of the verse being in the wrong place.

    – endorph
    Jan 2 at 22:29











  • That would be the second option!

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 3 at 0:00

















  • In the absence of an introduction and a coda it's common, and probably better, to dispense with the repeat sign altogether. In that case the last measure is shortened by the duration of the pickup measure, and the beginning of reach verse is printed at the beginning.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 18:28











  • That's OK when making a simple reference lead-sheet of just the words and melody. In a fuller arrangement for performance, the accompanying instruments probably need clearer instructions exactly what to play at the 'turn-round' endings and the actual end.

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 2 at 19:56











  • It applies equally to a lead sheet and to a piano-vocal score, which this question is about. If different verses have different endings, then of course you need some way of notating that, but for most strophic songs there is no need for such complication. People have been writing out such songs for centuries without repeat signs.

    – phoog
    Jan 2 at 20:04











  • A slight modification of the first option is to duplicate the lyrics for the second and third verses under the initial pickup note as well. Makes it easier to read the lyrics, without the first syllable of the verse being in the wrong place.

    – endorph
    Jan 2 at 22:29











  • That would be the second option!

    – Laurence Payne
    Jan 3 at 0:00
















In the absence of an introduction and a coda it's common, and probably better, to dispense with the repeat sign altogether. In that case the last measure is shortened by the duration of the pickup measure, and the beginning of reach verse is printed at the beginning.

– phoog
Jan 2 at 18:28





In the absence of an introduction and a coda it's common, and probably better, to dispense with the repeat sign altogether. In that case the last measure is shortened by the duration of the pickup measure, and the beginning of reach verse is printed at the beginning.

– phoog
Jan 2 at 18:28













That's OK when making a simple reference lead-sheet of just the words and melody. In a fuller arrangement for performance, the accompanying instruments probably need clearer instructions exactly what to play at the 'turn-round' endings and the actual end.

– Laurence Payne
Jan 2 at 19:56





That's OK when making a simple reference lead-sheet of just the words and melody. In a fuller arrangement for performance, the accompanying instruments probably need clearer instructions exactly what to play at the 'turn-round' endings and the actual end.

– Laurence Payne
Jan 2 at 19:56













It applies equally to a lead sheet and to a piano-vocal score, which this question is about. If different verses have different endings, then of course you need some way of notating that, but for most strophic songs there is no need for such complication. People have been writing out such songs for centuries without repeat signs.

– phoog
Jan 2 at 20:04





It applies equally to a lead sheet and to a piano-vocal score, which this question is about. If different verses have different endings, then of course you need some way of notating that, but for most strophic songs there is no need for such complication. People have been writing out such songs for centuries without repeat signs.

– phoog
Jan 2 at 20:04













A slight modification of the first option is to duplicate the lyrics for the second and third verses under the initial pickup note as well. Makes it easier to read the lyrics, without the first syllable of the verse being in the wrong place.

– endorph
Jan 2 at 22:29





A slight modification of the first option is to duplicate the lyrics for the second and third verses under the initial pickup note as well. Makes it easier to read the lyrics, without the first syllable of the verse being in the wrong place.

– endorph
Jan 2 at 22:29













That would be the second option!

– Laurence Payne
Jan 3 at 0:00





That would be the second option!

– Laurence Payne
Jan 3 at 0:00

















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