How does the government shutdown in the United States affect research projects at universities and national labs?
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Has federally funded research at universities and work done at the national labs in the United States been halted due to the government shutdown?
If so, what typically happens then?
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
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Has federally funded research at universities and work done at the national labs in the United States been halted due to the government shutdown?
If so, what typically happens then?
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
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How does the US government shutdown affect academics?
– ff524♦
Jan 2 at 16:53
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@ff524 It seems to me that this newer question has a few more complete answers than the old one: I'd be inclined to vote to close the older question as duplicate of the newer one. What do you think?
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 19:30
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@MassimoOrtolano Naturally, the older question focused on the 2013 shutdown, and the answers will change somewhat depending on the shutdown as it will affect different departments or agencies. Instead of closing it as a duplicate, it might be more useful to edit both questions to note which shutdowns they're concerned with.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 21:50
@Anyon I'm not an expert of US politics, but I doubt that, from an academic point of view, there are enough differences among the shutdowns to warrant different answers.
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 22:33
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@MassimoOrtolano I suppose the difference is one of degree. The answer would've been essentially the same for university researchers, but 2013 was a larger shutdown. Unlike the current shutdown, NIH, DOD, and DOE were all affected, and the nuclear National Labs were just days away from being shut.
– Anyon
Jan 3 at 0:26
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Has federally funded research at universities and work done at the national labs in the United States been halted due to the government shutdown?
If so, what typically happens then?
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
funding united-states government-institutes
Has federally funded research at universities and work done at the national labs in the United States been halted due to the government shutdown?
If so, what typically happens then?
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
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How does the US government shutdown affect academics?
– ff524♦
Jan 2 at 16:53
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@ff524 It seems to me that this newer question has a few more complete answers than the old one: I'd be inclined to vote to close the older question as duplicate of the newer one. What do you think?
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 19:30
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@MassimoOrtolano Naturally, the older question focused on the 2013 shutdown, and the answers will change somewhat depending on the shutdown as it will affect different departments or agencies. Instead of closing it as a duplicate, it might be more useful to edit both questions to note which shutdowns they're concerned with.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 21:50
@Anyon I'm not an expert of US politics, but I doubt that, from an academic point of view, there are enough differences among the shutdowns to warrant different answers.
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 22:33
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@MassimoOrtolano I suppose the difference is one of degree. The answer would've been essentially the same for university researchers, but 2013 was a larger shutdown. Unlike the current shutdown, NIH, DOD, and DOE were all affected, and the nuclear National Labs were just days away from being shut.
– Anyon
Jan 3 at 0:26
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How does the US government shutdown affect academics?
– ff524♦
Jan 2 at 16:53
1
@ff524 It seems to me that this newer question has a few more complete answers than the old one: I'd be inclined to vote to close the older question as duplicate of the newer one. What do you think?
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 19:30
1
@MassimoOrtolano Naturally, the older question focused on the 2013 shutdown, and the answers will change somewhat depending on the shutdown as it will affect different departments or agencies. Instead of closing it as a duplicate, it might be more useful to edit both questions to note which shutdowns they're concerned with.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 21:50
@Anyon I'm not an expert of US politics, but I doubt that, from an academic point of view, there are enough differences among the shutdowns to warrant different answers.
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 22:33
1
@MassimoOrtolano I suppose the difference is one of degree. The answer would've been essentially the same for university researchers, but 2013 was a larger shutdown. Unlike the current shutdown, NIH, DOD, and DOE were all affected, and the nuclear National Labs were just days away from being shut.
– Anyon
Jan 3 at 0:26
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How does the US government shutdown affect academics?
– ff524♦
Jan 2 at 16:53
How does the US government shutdown affect academics?
– ff524♦
Jan 2 at 16:53
1
1
@ff524 It seems to me that this newer question has a few more complete answers than the old one: I'd be inclined to vote to close the older question as duplicate of the newer one. What do you think?
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 19:30
@ff524 It seems to me that this newer question has a few more complete answers than the old one: I'd be inclined to vote to close the older question as duplicate of the newer one. What do you think?
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 19:30
1
1
@MassimoOrtolano Naturally, the older question focused on the 2013 shutdown, and the answers will change somewhat depending on the shutdown as it will affect different departments or agencies. Instead of closing it as a duplicate, it might be more useful to edit both questions to note which shutdowns they're concerned with.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 21:50
@MassimoOrtolano Naturally, the older question focused on the 2013 shutdown, and the answers will change somewhat depending on the shutdown as it will affect different departments or agencies. Instead of closing it as a duplicate, it might be more useful to edit both questions to note which shutdowns they're concerned with.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 21:50
@Anyon I'm not an expert of US politics, but I doubt that, from an academic point of view, there are enough differences among the shutdowns to warrant different answers.
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 22:33
@Anyon I'm not an expert of US politics, but I doubt that, from an academic point of view, there are enough differences among the shutdowns to warrant different answers.
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 22:33
1
1
@MassimoOrtolano I suppose the difference is one of degree. The answer would've been essentially the same for university researchers, but 2013 was a larger shutdown. Unlike the current shutdown, NIH, DOD, and DOE were all affected, and the nuclear National Labs were just days away from being shut.
– Anyon
Jan 3 at 0:26
@MassimoOrtolano I suppose the difference is one of degree. The answer would've been essentially the same for university researchers, but 2013 was a larger shutdown. Unlike the current shutdown, NIH, DOD, and DOE were all affected, and the nuclear National Labs were just days away from being shut.
– Anyon
Jan 3 at 0:26
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Has federally funded research at universities and work done at the national labs in the United States been halted due to the government shutdown?
The current shutdown affects federal employees - and even then, not all government departments or agencies are affected. In particular, the Department of Energy, which funds the DOE National Labs, already had an approved spending bill, so DOE is unaffected for now. The NIH and Department of Defense, which fund their own institutes and labs, are in the same situation. However, many other institutions, including NIST, NASA labs, and the Smithsonian have had to cease a lot of their work. Some activities are considered mission critical, and can continue, but that's getting into the specifics. See e.g. this Washington Post article.
University researchers are not directly affected, since they are not federal employees*. Even public universities in the US tend to be on the state level. However, there can be a large indirect effect since e.g. NSF, a large funding agency, has shut down. If this shutdown is anything like the 2013 one, this will not only delay grant applications, but also grant decisions, causing a lot of uncertainty, hiring delays, and lost research productivity.
*The military academies might be an exception, but since the Department of Defense had its spending bill approved they probably wouldn't be affected anyway.
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
Generally the former - at least at the largest of the affected places security would (rather sensibly) be considered a mission critical operation, and security would be instructed to stop people from going to work. There tends to be some protests, e.g. at the White House during the shutdowns, but I doubt these are dominated by researchers. There are many, many others affected - some 800 000 government employees in total, many who'd be hit harder than your average federally employed researcher.
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The NIH, which funds an awful lot of research in the medical and biological sciences in the US, is similarly unaffected (this time).
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 16:53
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@BryanKrause However, existing work already funded by the NSF need not be affected since the money has already been disbursed.
– aeismail♦
Jan 2 at 18:12
@aeismail I think that's clear from the answer as it stands; I just wanted to point out NIH is among the departments already funded, because although OP called out DOE specifically the NIH (as well as DoD) probably affects more researchers.
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 18:24
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@BryanKrause Good point about NIH. I've added a note about it.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 19:17
This is somewhat inaccurate since university researchers can be (in my case are) affected if they are dependent upon data that is hosted on servers managed by agencies without funding. If you have a local copy you are fine, but some data was due around the time of the shutdown and everyone is in a holding pattern right now.
– anonymous
Jan 5 at 1:01
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The answer of Massimo Ortolano is correct as it applies to federal government run (owned) labs. But the situation for Universities is different. These are not federal government owned or run in any sense. Federal government employees are not allowed to work during a shutdown unless they are required to work (being "emergency employees"). But faculty members aren't federal government employees, so they may continue to work as usual. State government is largely disjoint from federal and state employees work for the states, not the federal government.
Universities get grants from the government to carry on some research. The funding for those grants may already be "in hand" in the university. If not, checks won't be written so the flow of funds will stop until the "crisis" ends. This latter might cause some disruption, but in many places the university will just carry on. University professors and researchers will continue to get paid as usual. Money to support laboratories may be problematic if it goes on too long, but that is unlikely.
Note that the US federal government fulfills its contracts. To do otherwise would be so disruptive that the US would fall immediately to "developing nations" or even "pariah" status. The main issue will be timing of payments.
However, if a project requires the presence of or contact with federal government employees, they won't be available and it would be illegal for them to participate in most cases (unless it is required...)
Note that the major DOE labs, like Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, etc. are not government run nor are they staffed with government employees either. They're run by consortiums of universities and/or government contractors. It really depends on the specific method of funding between them and the Federal government.
– user71659
Jan 2 at 16:42
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"But the situation for Universities is different. These are not government owned or run in any sense." I think you mean 'federal,' not 'government' here. Most U.S. universities are indeed wholly owned and operated by the government, but it happens to be the state government of the state in which the university is located, not the federal government. The university employees are typically considered state employees. The state governments have their own budgets and function completely independently of the federal government. They are not shut down.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:22
Also, most portions of the U.S. federal government actually aren't shut down in this instance (only 5 or 6 departments are presently unfunded, as I recall,) so even many federal employees would still be available to work on projects. DoD and DoE, for example, are currently funded.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:24
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@reirab. Thanks. Clarified. The largest unfunded department is Homeland Security which is huge.
– Buffy
Jan 2 at 17:29
@Buffy Is Homeland Security really the largest unfunded department with respect to research, though? NSF and the USDA seem more important: aaas.org/sites/default/files/s3fs-public/Agencies%253B.jpg
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 17:38
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I currently work in research administration in an R1 university in the United States.
Most researchers should be largely unaffected by the government shutdown, unless it runs for a long time. There are two ways that researchers are being inconvenienced:
- Federal agencies are not granting new awards. This is stressful for researchers waiting to find out whether they are being awarded any funds. In the end it probably won't change the total amount of funding anyone receives, but it will delay when those funds become available.
- We often request information from administrators of federal programs regarding on-going research. Those people are currently unavailable to answer our questions. For example, grants typically have restrictions on what can and can't be purchased. If a researcher wants to purchase something and we aren't clear on whether it is allowed or not under the grant's terms, then some aspect of the research may be delayed until the federal agent can answer our questions.
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I'm not in the US, but I have friends and colleagues who work for a major national institute in the US.
They shut down the experiments and stay at home, temporarily unpaid: in fact, they wouldn't be even allowed to enter the premises. They don't do demonstrations.
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If so, what typically happens then?
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they
show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor
strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
At NASA Ames, there are many contractors who hold professorships at other universities, e.g. CMU, UC Santa Cruz etc, their official employers.
I got to know about government shutdown in 2013 or 2014 when a collaborator told me they had to do the telecon from home. Many of their colleagues just went on a vacation, it was just like an unpaid leave, but this collaborator still had many meetings, many paper deadlines, so they just had to work like a normal day, but from home.
Even worse, the Ames Child Care Center, located in the NASA campus, is also somehow related to the federal government and was also shut down. So that collaborator had to take care of their child during that period.
It was not an easy time for them.
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Has federally funded research at universities and work done at the national labs in the United States been halted due to the government shutdown?
The current shutdown affects federal employees - and even then, not all government departments or agencies are affected. In particular, the Department of Energy, which funds the DOE National Labs, already had an approved spending bill, so DOE is unaffected for now. The NIH and Department of Defense, which fund their own institutes and labs, are in the same situation. However, many other institutions, including NIST, NASA labs, and the Smithsonian have had to cease a lot of their work. Some activities are considered mission critical, and can continue, but that's getting into the specifics. See e.g. this Washington Post article.
University researchers are not directly affected, since they are not federal employees*. Even public universities in the US tend to be on the state level. However, there can be a large indirect effect since e.g. NSF, a large funding agency, has shut down. If this shutdown is anything like the 2013 one, this will not only delay grant applications, but also grant decisions, causing a lot of uncertainty, hiring delays, and lost research productivity.
*The military academies might be an exception, but since the Department of Defense had its spending bill approved they probably wouldn't be affected anyway.
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
Generally the former - at least at the largest of the affected places security would (rather sensibly) be considered a mission critical operation, and security would be instructed to stop people from going to work. There tends to be some protests, e.g. at the White House during the shutdowns, but I doubt these are dominated by researchers. There are many, many others affected - some 800 000 government employees in total, many who'd be hit harder than your average federally employed researcher.
1
The NIH, which funds an awful lot of research in the medical and biological sciences in the US, is similarly unaffected (this time).
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 16:53
1
@BryanKrause However, existing work already funded by the NSF need not be affected since the money has already been disbursed.
– aeismail♦
Jan 2 at 18:12
@aeismail I think that's clear from the answer as it stands; I just wanted to point out NIH is among the departments already funded, because although OP called out DOE specifically the NIH (as well as DoD) probably affects more researchers.
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 18:24
1
@BryanKrause Good point about NIH. I've added a note about it.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 19:17
This is somewhat inaccurate since university researchers can be (in my case are) affected if they are dependent upon data that is hosted on servers managed by agencies without funding. If you have a local copy you are fine, but some data was due around the time of the shutdown and everyone is in a holding pattern right now.
– anonymous
Jan 5 at 1:01
add a comment |
Has federally funded research at universities and work done at the national labs in the United States been halted due to the government shutdown?
The current shutdown affects federal employees - and even then, not all government departments or agencies are affected. In particular, the Department of Energy, which funds the DOE National Labs, already had an approved spending bill, so DOE is unaffected for now. The NIH and Department of Defense, which fund their own institutes and labs, are in the same situation. However, many other institutions, including NIST, NASA labs, and the Smithsonian have had to cease a lot of their work. Some activities are considered mission critical, and can continue, but that's getting into the specifics. See e.g. this Washington Post article.
University researchers are not directly affected, since they are not federal employees*. Even public universities in the US tend to be on the state level. However, there can be a large indirect effect since e.g. NSF, a large funding agency, has shut down. If this shutdown is anything like the 2013 one, this will not only delay grant applications, but also grant decisions, causing a lot of uncertainty, hiring delays, and lost research productivity.
*The military academies might be an exception, but since the Department of Defense had its spending bill approved they probably wouldn't be affected anyway.
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
Generally the former - at least at the largest of the affected places security would (rather sensibly) be considered a mission critical operation, and security would be instructed to stop people from going to work. There tends to be some protests, e.g. at the White House during the shutdowns, but I doubt these are dominated by researchers. There are many, many others affected - some 800 000 government employees in total, many who'd be hit harder than your average federally employed researcher.
1
The NIH, which funds an awful lot of research in the medical and biological sciences in the US, is similarly unaffected (this time).
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 16:53
1
@BryanKrause However, existing work already funded by the NSF need not be affected since the money has already been disbursed.
– aeismail♦
Jan 2 at 18:12
@aeismail I think that's clear from the answer as it stands; I just wanted to point out NIH is among the departments already funded, because although OP called out DOE specifically the NIH (as well as DoD) probably affects more researchers.
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 18:24
1
@BryanKrause Good point about NIH. I've added a note about it.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 19:17
This is somewhat inaccurate since university researchers can be (in my case are) affected if they are dependent upon data that is hosted on servers managed by agencies without funding. If you have a local copy you are fine, but some data was due around the time of the shutdown and everyone is in a holding pattern right now.
– anonymous
Jan 5 at 1:01
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Has federally funded research at universities and work done at the national labs in the United States been halted due to the government shutdown?
The current shutdown affects federal employees - and even then, not all government departments or agencies are affected. In particular, the Department of Energy, which funds the DOE National Labs, already had an approved spending bill, so DOE is unaffected for now. The NIH and Department of Defense, which fund their own institutes and labs, are in the same situation. However, many other institutions, including NIST, NASA labs, and the Smithsonian have had to cease a lot of their work. Some activities are considered mission critical, and can continue, but that's getting into the specifics. See e.g. this Washington Post article.
University researchers are not directly affected, since they are not federal employees*. Even public universities in the US tend to be on the state level. However, there can be a large indirect effect since e.g. NSF, a large funding agency, has shut down. If this shutdown is anything like the 2013 one, this will not only delay grant applications, but also grant decisions, causing a lot of uncertainty, hiring delays, and lost research productivity.
*The military academies might be an exception, but since the Department of Defense had its spending bill approved they probably wouldn't be affected anyway.
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
Generally the former - at least at the largest of the affected places security would (rather sensibly) be considered a mission critical operation, and security would be instructed to stop people from going to work. There tends to be some protests, e.g. at the White House during the shutdowns, but I doubt these are dominated by researchers. There are many, many others affected - some 800 000 government employees in total, many who'd be hit harder than your average federally employed researcher.
Has federally funded research at universities and work done at the national labs in the United States been halted due to the government shutdown?
The current shutdown affects federal employees - and even then, not all government departments or agencies are affected. In particular, the Department of Energy, which funds the DOE National Labs, already had an approved spending bill, so DOE is unaffected for now. The NIH and Department of Defense, which fund their own institutes and labs, are in the same situation. However, many other institutions, including NIST, NASA labs, and the Smithsonian have had to cease a lot of their work. Some activities are considered mission critical, and can continue, but that's getting into the specifics. See e.g. this Washington Post article.
University researchers are not directly affected, since they are not federal employees*. Even public universities in the US tend to be on the state level. However, there can be a large indirect effect since e.g. NSF, a large funding agency, has shut down. If this shutdown is anything like the 2013 one, this will not only delay grant applications, but also grant decisions, causing a lot of uncertainty, hiring delays, and lost research productivity.
*The military academies might be an exception, but since the Department of Defense had its spending bill approved they probably wouldn't be affected anyway.
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
Generally the former - at least at the largest of the affected places security would (rather sensibly) be considered a mission critical operation, and security would be instructed to stop people from going to work. There tends to be some protests, e.g. at the White House during the shutdowns, but I doubt these are dominated by researchers. There are many, many others affected - some 800 000 government employees in total, many who'd be hit harder than your average federally employed researcher.
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The NIH, which funds an awful lot of research in the medical and biological sciences in the US, is similarly unaffected (this time).
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 16:53
1
@BryanKrause However, existing work already funded by the NSF need not be affected since the money has already been disbursed.
– aeismail♦
Jan 2 at 18:12
@aeismail I think that's clear from the answer as it stands; I just wanted to point out NIH is among the departments already funded, because although OP called out DOE specifically the NIH (as well as DoD) probably affects more researchers.
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 18:24
1
@BryanKrause Good point about NIH. I've added a note about it.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 19:17
This is somewhat inaccurate since university researchers can be (in my case are) affected if they are dependent upon data that is hosted on servers managed by agencies without funding. If you have a local copy you are fine, but some data was due around the time of the shutdown and everyone is in a holding pattern right now.
– anonymous
Jan 5 at 1:01
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1
The NIH, which funds an awful lot of research in the medical and biological sciences in the US, is similarly unaffected (this time).
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 16:53
1
@BryanKrause However, existing work already funded by the NSF need not be affected since the money has already been disbursed.
– aeismail♦
Jan 2 at 18:12
@aeismail I think that's clear from the answer as it stands; I just wanted to point out NIH is among the departments already funded, because although OP called out DOE specifically the NIH (as well as DoD) probably affects more researchers.
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 18:24
1
@BryanKrause Good point about NIH. I've added a note about it.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 19:17
This is somewhat inaccurate since university researchers can be (in my case are) affected if they are dependent upon data that is hosted on servers managed by agencies without funding. If you have a local copy you are fine, but some data was due around the time of the shutdown and everyone is in a holding pattern right now.
– anonymous
Jan 5 at 1:01
1
1
The NIH, which funds an awful lot of research in the medical and biological sciences in the US, is similarly unaffected (this time).
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 16:53
The NIH, which funds an awful lot of research in the medical and biological sciences in the US, is similarly unaffected (this time).
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 16:53
1
1
@BryanKrause However, existing work already funded by the NSF need not be affected since the money has already been disbursed.
– aeismail♦
Jan 2 at 18:12
@BryanKrause However, existing work already funded by the NSF need not be affected since the money has already been disbursed.
– aeismail♦
Jan 2 at 18:12
@aeismail I think that's clear from the answer as it stands; I just wanted to point out NIH is among the departments already funded, because although OP called out DOE specifically the NIH (as well as DoD) probably affects more researchers.
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 18:24
@aeismail I think that's clear from the answer as it stands; I just wanted to point out NIH is among the departments already funded, because although OP called out DOE specifically the NIH (as well as DoD) probably affects more researchers.
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 18:24
1
1
@BryanKrause Good point about NIH. I've added a note about it.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 19:17
@BryanKrause Good point about NIH. I've added a note about it.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 19:17
This is somewhat inaccurate since university researchers can be (in my case are) affected if they are dependent upon data that is hosted on servers managed by agencies without funding. If you have a local copy you are fine, but some data was due around the time of the shutdown and everyone is in a holding pattern right now.
– anonymous
Jan 5 at 1:01
This is somewhat inaccurate since university researchers can be (in my case are) affected if they are dependent upon data that is hosted on servers managed by agencies without funding. If you have a local copy you are fine, but some data was due around the time of the shutdown and everyone is in a holding pattern right now.
– anonymous
Jan 5 at 1:01
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The answer of Massimo Ortolano is correct as it applies to federal government run (owned) labs. But the situation for Universities is different. These are not federal government owned or run in any sense. Federal government employees are not allowed to work during a shutdown unless they are required to work (being "emergency employees"). But faculty members aren't federal government employees, so they may continue to work as usual. State government is largely disjoint from federal and state employees work for the states, not the federal government.
Universities get grants from the government to carry on some research. The funding for those grants may already be "in hand" in the university. If not, checks won't be written so the flow of funds will stop until the "crisis" ends. This latter might cause some disruption, but in many places the university will just carry on. University professors and researchers will continue to get paid as usual. Money to support laboratories may be problematic if it goes on too long, but that is unlikely.
Note that the US federal government fulfills its contracts. To do otherwise would be so disruptive that the US would fall immediately to "developing nations" or even "pariah" status. The main issue will be timing of payments.
However, if a project requires the presence of or contact with federal government employees, they won't be available and it would be illegal for them to participate in most cases (unless it is required...)
Note that the major DOE labs, like Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, etc. are not government run nor are they staffed with government employees either. They're run by consortiums of universities and/or government contractors. It really depends on the specific method of funding between them and the Federal government.
– user71659
Jan 2 at 16:42
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"But the situation for Universities is different. These are not government owned or run in any sense." I think you mean 'federal,' not 'government' here. Most U.S. universities are indeed wholly owned and operated by the government, but it happens to be the state government of the state in which the university is located, not the federal government. The university employees are typically considered state employees. The state governments have their own budgets and function completely independently of the federal government. They are not shut down.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:22
Also, most portions of the U.S. federal government actually aren't shut down in this instance (only 5 or 6 departments are presently unfunded, as I recall,) so even many federal employees would still be available to work on projects. DoD and DoE, for example, are currently funded.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:24
1
@reirab. Thanks. Clarified. The largest unfunded department is Homeland Security which is huge.
– Buffy
Jan 2 at 17:29
@Buffy Is Homeland Security really the largest unfunded department with respect to research, though? NSF and the USDA seem more important: aaas.org/sites/default/files/s3fs-public/Agencies%253B.jpg
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 17:38
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The answer of Massimo Ortolano is correct as it applies to federal government run (owned) labs. But the situation for Universities is different. These are not federal government owned or run in any sense. Federal government employees are not allowed to work during a shutdown unless they are required to work (being "emergency employees"). But faculty members aren't federal government employees, so they may continue to work as usual. State government is largely disjoint from federal and state employees work for the states, not the federal government.
Universities get grants from the government to carry on some research. The funding for those grants may already be "in hand" in the university. If not, checks won't be written so the flow of funds will stop until the "crisis" ends. This latter might cause some disruption, but in many places the university will just carry on. University professors and researchers will continue to get paid as usual. Money to support laboratories may be problematic if it goes on too long, but that is unlikely.
Note that the US federal government fulfills its contracts. To do otherwise would be so disruptive that the US would fall immediately to "developing nations" or even "pariah" status. The main issue will be timing of payments.
However, if a project requires the presence of or contact with federal government employees, they won't be available and it would be illegal for them to participate in most cases (unless it is required...)
Note that the major DOE labs, like Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, etc. are not government run nor are they staffed with government employees either. They're run by consortiums of universities and/or government contractors. It really depends on the specific method of funding between them and the Federal government.
– user71659
Jan 2 at 16:42
3
"But the situation for Universities is different. These are not government owned or run in any sense." I think you mean 'federal,' not 'government' here. Most U.S. universities are indeed wholly owned and operated by the government, but it happens to be the state government of the state in which the university is located, not the federal government. The university employees are typically considered state employees. The state governments have their own budgets and function completely independently of the federal government. They are not shut down.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:22
Also, most portions of the U.S. federal government actually aren't shut down in this instance (only 5 or 6 departments are presently unfunded, as I recall,) so even many federal employees would still be available to work on projects. DoD and DoE, for example, are currently funded.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:24
1
@reirab. Thanks. Clarified. The largest unfunded department is Homeland Security which is huge.
– Buffy
Jan 2 at 17:29
@Buffy Is Homeland Security really the largest unfunded department with respect to research, though? NSF and the USDA seem more important: aaas.org/sites/default/files/s3fs-public/Agencies%253B.jpg
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 17:38
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The answer of Massimo Ortolano is correct as it applies to federal government run (owned) labs. But the situation for Universities is different. These are not federal government owned or run in any sense. Federal government employees are not allowed to work during a shutdown unless they are required to work (being "emergency employees"). But faculty members aren't federal government employees, so they may continue to work as usual. State government is largely disjoint from federal and state employees work for the states, not the federal government.
Universities get grants from the government to carry on some research. The funding for those grants may already be "in hand" in the university. If not, checks won't be written so the flow of funds will stop until the "crisis" ends. This latter might cause some disruption, but in many places the university will just carry on. University professors and researchers will continue to get paid as usual. Money to support laboratories may be problematic if it goes on too long, but that is unlikely.
Note that the US federal government fulfills its contracts. To do otherwise would be so disruptive that the US would fall immediately to "developing nations" or even "pariah" status. The main issue will be timing of payments.
However, if a project requires the presence of or contact with federal government employees, they won't be available and it would be illegal for them to participate in most cases (unless it is required...)
The answer of Massimo Ortolano is correct as it applies to federal government run (owned) labs. But the situation for Universities is different. These are not federal government owned or run in any sense. Federal government employees are not allowed to work during a shutdown unless they are required to work (being "emergency employees"). But faculty members aren't federal government employees, so they may continue to work as usual. State government is largely disjoint from federal and state employees work for the states, not the federal government.
Universities get grants from the government to carry on some research. The funding for those grants may already be "in hand" in the university. If not, checks won't be written so the flow of funds will stop until the "crisis" ends. This latter might cause some disruption, but in many places the university will just carry on. University professors and researchers will continue to get paid as usual. Money to support laboratories may be problematic if it goes on too long, but that is unlikely.
Note that the US federal government fulfills its contracts. To do otherwise would be so disruptive that the US would fall immediately to "developing nations" or even "pariah" status. The main issue will be timing of payments.
However, if a project requires the presence of or contact with federal government employees, they won't be available and it would be illegal for them to participate in most cases (unless it is required...)
edited Jan 3 at 0:30
answered Jan 2 at 12:47
BuffyBuffy
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Note that the major DOE labs, like Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, etc. are not government run nor are they staffed with government employees either. They're run by consortiums of universities and/or government contractors. It really depends on the specific method of funding between them and the Federal government.
– user71659
Jan 2 at 16:42
3
"But the situation for Universities is different. These are not government owned or run in any sense." I think you mean 'federal,' not 'government' here. Most U.S. universities are indeed wholly owned and operated by the government, but it happens to be the state government of the state in which the university is located, not the federal government. The university employees are typically considered state employees. The state governments have their own budgets and function completely independently of the federal government. They are not shut down.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:22
Also, most portions of the U.S. federal government actually aren't shut down in this instance (only 5 or 6 departments are presently unfunded, as I recall,) so even many federal employees would still be available to work on projects. DoD and DoE, for example, are currently funded.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:24
1
@reirab. Thanks. Clarified. The largest unfunded department is Homeland Security which is huge.
– Buffy
Jan 2 at 17:29
@Buffy Is Homeland Security really the largest unfunded department with respect to research, though? NSF and the USDA seem more important: aaas.org/sites/default/files/s3fs-public/Agencies%253B.jpg
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 17:38
|
show 3 more comments
Note that the major DOE labs, like Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, etc. are not government run nor are they staffed with government employees either. They're run by consortiums of universities and/or government contractors. It really depends on the specific method of funding between them and the Federal government.
– user71659
Jan 2 at 16:42
3
"But the situation for Universities is different. These are not government owned or run in any sense." I think you mean 'federal,' not 'government' here. Most U.S. universities are indeed wholly owned and operated by the government, but it happens to be the state government of the state in which the university is located, not the federal government. The university employees are typically considered state employees. The state governments have their own budgets and function completely independently of the federal government. They are not shut down.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:22
Also, most portions of the U.S. federal government actually aren't shut down in this instance (only 5 or 6 departments are presently unfunded, as I recall,) so even many federal employees would still be available to work on projects. DoD and DoE, for example, are currently funded.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:24
1
@reirab. Thanks. Clarified. The largest unfunded department is Homeland Security which is huge.
– Buffy
Jan 2 at 17:29
@Buffy Is Homeland Security really the largest unfunded department with respect to research, though? NSF and the USDA seem more important: aaas.org/sites/default/files/s3fs-public/Agencies%253B.jpg
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 17:38
Note that the major DOE labs, like Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, etc. are not government run nor are they staffed with government employees either. They're run by consortiums of universities and/or government contractors. It really depends on the specific method of funding between them and the Federal government.
– user71659
Jan 2 at 16:42
Note that the major DOE labs, like Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, etc. are not government run nor are they staffed with government employees either. They're run by consortiums of universities and/or government contractors. It really depends on the specific method of funding between them and the Federal government.
– user71659
Jan 2 at 16:42
3
3
"But the situation for Universities is different. These are not government owned or run in any sense." I think you mean 'federal,' not 'government' here. Most U.S. universities are indeed wholly owned and operated by the government, but it happens to be the state government of the state in which the university is located, not the federal government. The university employees are typically considered state employees. The state governments have their own budgets and function completely independently of the federal government. They are not shut down.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:22
"But the situation for Universities is different. These are not government owned or run in any sense." I think you mean 'federal,' not 'government' here. Most U.S. universities are indeed wholly owned and operated by the government, but it happens to be the state government of the state in which the university is located, not the federal government. The university employees are typically considered state employees. The state governments have their own budgets and function completely independently of the federal government. They are not shut down.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:22
Also, most portions of the U.S. federal government actually aren't shut down in this instance (only 5 or 6 departments are presently unfunded, as I recall,) so even many federal employees would still be available to work on projects. DoD and DoE, for example, are currently funded.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:24
Also, most portions of the U.S. federal government actually aren't shut down in this instance (only 5 or 6 departments are presently unfunded, as I recall,) so even many federal employees would still be available to work on projects. DoD and DoE, for example, are currently funded.
– reirab
Jan 2 at 17:24
1
1
@reirab. Thanks. Clarified. The largest unfunded department is Homeland Security which is huge.
– Buffy
Jan 2 at 17:29
@reirab. Thanks. Clarified. The largest unfunded department is Homeland Security which is huge.
– Buffy
Jan 2 at 17:29
@Buffy Is Homeland Security really the largest unfunded department with respect to research, though? NSF and the USDA seem more important: aaas.org/sites/default/files/s3fs-public/Agencies%253B.jpg
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 17:38
@Buffy Is Homeland Security really the largest unfunded department with respect to research, though? NSF and the USDA seem more important: aaas.org/sites/default/files/s3fs-public/Agencies%253B.jpg
– Bryan Krause
Jan 2 at 17:38
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I currently work in research administration in an R1 university in the United States.
Most researchers should be largely unaffected by the government shutdown, unless it runs for a long time. There are two ways that researchers are being inconvenienced:
- Federal agencies are not granting new awards. This is stressful for researchers waiting to find out whether they are being awarded any funds. In the end it probably won't change the total amount of funding anyone receives, but it will delay when those funds become available.
- We often request information from administrators of federal programs regarding on-going research. Those people are currently unavailable to answer our questions. For example, grants typically have restrictions on what can and can't be purchased. If a researcher wants to purchase something and we aren't clear on whether it is allowed or not under the grant's terms, then some aspect of the research may be delayed until the federal agent can answer our questions.
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I currently work in research administration in an R1 university in the United States.
Most researchers should be largely unaffected by the government shutdown, unless it runs for a long time. There are two ways that researchers are being inconvenienced:
- Federal agencies are not granting new awards. This is stressful for researchers waiting to find out whether they are being awarded any funds. In the end it probably won't change the total amount of funding anyone receives, but it will delay when those funds become available.
- We often request information from administrators of federal programs regarding on-going research. Those people are currently unavailable to answer our questions. For example, grants typically have restrictions on what can and can't be purchased. If a researcher wants to purchase something and we aren't clear on whether it is allowed or not under the grant's terms, then some aspect of the research may be delayed until the federal agent can answer our questions.
add a comment |
I currently work in research administration in an R1 university in the United States.
Most researchers should be largely unaffected by the government shutdown, unless it runs for a long time. There are two ways that researchers are being inconvenienced:
- Federal agencies are not granting new awards. This is stressful for researchers waiting to find out whether they are being awarded any funds. In the end it probably won't change the total amount of funding anyone receives, but it will delay when those funds become available.
- We often request information from administrators of federal programs regarding on-going research. Those people are currently unavailable to answer our questions. For example, grants typically have restrictions on what can and can't be purchased. If a researcher wants to purchase something and we aren't clear on whether it is allowed or not under the grant's terms, then some aspect of the research may be delayed until the federal agent can answer our questions.
I currently work in research administration in an R1 university in the United States.
Most researchers should be largely unaffected by the government shutdown, unless it runs for a long time. There are two ways that researchers are being inconvenienced:
- Federal agencies are not granting new awards. This is stressful for researchers waiting to find out whether they are being awarded any funds. In the end it probably won't change the total amount of funding anyone receives, but it will delay when those funds become available.
- We often request information from administrators of federal programs regarding on-going research. Those people are currently unavailable to answer our questions. For example, grants typically have restrictions on what can and can't be purchased. If a researcher wants to purchase something and we aren't clear on whether it is allowed or not under the grant's terms, then some aspect of the research may be delayed until the federal agent can answer our questions.
answered Jan 2 at 16:47
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I'm not in the US, but I have friends and colleagues who work for a major national institute in the US.
They shut down the experiments and stay at home, temporarily unpaid: in fact, they wouldn't be even allowed to enter the premises. They don't do demonstrations.
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I'm not in the US, but I have friends and colleagues who work for a major national institute in the US.
They shut down the experiments and stay at home, temporarily unpaid: in fact, they wouldn't be even allowed to enter the premises. They don't do demonstrations.
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I'm not in the US, but I have friends and colleagues who work for a major national institute in the US.
They shut down the experiments and stay at home, temporarily unpaid: in fact, they wouldn't be even allowed to enter the premises. They don't do demonstrations.
I'm not in the US, but I have friends and colleagues who work for a major national institute in the US.
They shut down the experiments and stay at home, temporarily unpaid: in fact, they wouldn't be even allowed to enter the premises. They don't do demonstrations.
edited Jan 2 at 11:32
answered Jan 2 at 10:30
Massimo OrtolanoMassimo Ortolano
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If so, what typically happens then?
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they
show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor
strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
At NASA Ames, there are many contractors who hold professorships at other universities, e.g. CMU, UC Santa Cruz etc, their official employers.
I got to know about government shutdown in 2013 or 2014 when a collaborator told me they had to do the telecon from home. Many of their colleagues just went on a vacation, it was just like an unpaid leave, but this collaborator still had many meetings, many paper deadlines, so they just had to work like a normal day, but from home.
Even worse, the Ames Child Care Center, located in the NASA campus, is also somehow related to the federal government and was also shut down. So that collaborator had to take care of their child during that period.
It was not an easy time for them.
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If so, what typically happens then?
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they
show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor
strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
At NASA Ames, there are many contractors who hold professorships at other universities, e.g. CMU, UC Santa Cruz etc, their official employers.
I got to know about government shutdown in 2013 or 2014 when a collaborator told me they had to do the telecon from home. Many of their colleagues just went on a vacation, it was just like an unpaid leave, but this collaborator still had many meetings, many paper deadlines, so they just had to work like a normal day, but from home.
Even worse, the Ames Child Care Center, located in the NASA campus, is also somehow related to the federal government and was also shut down. So that collaborator had to take care of their child during that period.
It was not an easy time for them.
add a comment |
If so, what typically happens then?
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they
show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor
strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
At NASA Ames, there are many contractors who hold professorships at other universities, e.g. CMU, UC Santa Cruz etc, their official employers.
I got to know about government shutdown in 2013 or 2014 when a collaborator told me they had to do the telecon from home. Many of their colleagues just went on a vacation, it was just like an unpaid leave, but this collaborator still had many meetings, many paper deadlines, so they just had to work like a normal day, but from home.
Even worse, the Ames Child Care Center, located in the NASA campus, is also somehow related to the federal government and was also shut down. So that collaborator had to take care of their child during that period.
It was not an easy time for them.
If so, what typically happens then?
Do researchers just stay at home and not show up to work? Or do they
show up, and do something similar to what you would see at a labor
strike, e.g. megaphones, demonstrations, make demands?
At NASA Ames, there are many contractors who hold professorships at other universities, e.g. CMU, UC Santa Cruz etc, their official employers.
I got to know about government shutdown in 2013 or 2014 when a collaborator told me they had to do the telecon from home. Many of their colleagues just went on a vacation, it was just like an unpaid leave, but this collaborator still had many meetings, many paper deadlines, so they just had to work like a normal day, but from home.
Even worse, the Ames Child Care Center, located in the NASA campus, is also somehow related to the federal government and was also shut down. So that collaborator had to take care of their child during that period.
It was not an easy time for them.
answered Jan 3 at 20:44
qspqsp
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How does the US government shutdown affect academics?
– ff524♦
Jan 2 at 16:53
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@ff524 It seems to me that this newer question has a few more complete answers than the old one: I'd be inclined to vote to close the older question as duplicate of the newer one. What do you think?
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 19:30
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@MassimoOrtolano Naturally, the older question focused on the 2013 shutdown, and the answers will change somewhat depending on the shutdown as it will affect different departments or agencies. Instead of closing it as a duplicate, it might be more useful to edit both questions to note which shutdowns they're concerned with.
– Anyon
Jan 2 at 21:50
@Anyon I'm not an expert of US politics, but I doubt that, from an academic point of view, there are enough differences among the shutdowns to warrant different answers.
– Massimo Ortolano
Jan 2 at 22:33
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@MassimoOrtolano I suppose the difference is one of degree. The answer would've been essentially the same for university researchers, but 2013 was a larger shutdown. Unlike the current shutdown, NIH, DOD, and DOE were all affected, and the nuclear National Labs were just days away from being shut.
– Anyon
Jan 3 at 0:26