How much energy is wasted by a noisy refrigerator?
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I recently bought a new refrigerator for my kitchen. The feet are adjustable but I've been lazy.
Whenever the motor runs and the feet aren't all touching the floor there is a loud buzzing noise. As soon as I move the fridge around to level it up the buzzing stops. One day I'll sort it out properly maybe.
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Clearly the fridge keeps its contents at a roughly even temperature in my warm kitchen and that takes energy.
Without buying a multi-meter or doing a long term experiment, can I get a quick idea of how much energy is being wasted by the noise? Maybe the resonance of the noise somehow makes things more efficient and is a good thing?
Suppose I borrowed a decibel meter. Could I work it out from that?
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I recently bought a new refrigerator for my kitchen. The feet are adjustable but I've been lazy.
Whenever the motor runs and the feet aren't all touching the floor there is a loud buzzing noise. As soon as I move the fridge around to level it up the buzzing stops. One day I'll sort it out properly maybe.
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Clearly the fridge keeps its contents at a roughly even temperature in my warm kitchen and that takes energy.
Without buying a multi-meter or doing a long term experiment, can I get a quick idea of how much energy is being wasted by the noise? Maybe the resonance of the noise somehow makes things more efficient and is a good thing?
Suppose I borrowed a decibel meter. Could I work it out from that?
energy acoustics everyday-life estimation dissipation
As a general rule of thumb, the sound of something is nearly always vastly lower power than the power going into the thing that's making it, especially if it wasn't intended to be a musical instrument. Consider cars or jet fighters or locomotives as prime examples.
– Cort Ammon
Dec 10 at 20:40
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I recently bought a new refrigerator for my kitchen. The feet are adjustable but I've been lazy.
Whenever the motor runs and the feet aren't all touching the floor there is a loud buzzing noise. As soon as I move the fridge around to level it up the buzzing stops. One day I'll sort it out properly maybe.
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Clearly the fridge keeps its contents at a roughly even temperature in my warm kitchen and that takes energy.
Without buying a multi-meter or doing a long term experiment, can I get a quick idea of how much energy is being wasted by the noise? Maybe the resonance of the noise somehow makes things more efficient and is a good thing?
Suppose I borrowed a decibel meter. Could I work it out from that?
energy acoustics everyday-life estimation dissipation
I recently bought a new refrigerator for my kitchen. The feet are adjustable but I've been lazy.
Whenever the motor runs and the feet aren't all touching the floor there is a loud buzzing noise. As soon as I move the fridge around to level it up the buzzing stops. One day I'll sort it out properly maybe.
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Clearly the fridge keeps its contents at a roughly even temperature in my warm kitchen and that takes energy.
Without buying a multi-meter or doing a long term experiment, can I get a quick idea of how much energy is being wasted by the noise? Maybe the resonance of the noise somehow makes things more efficient and is a good thing?
Suppose I borrowed a decibel meter. Could I work it out from that?
energy acoustics everyday-life estimation dissipation
energy acoustics everyday-life estimation dissipation
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As a general rule of thumb, the sound of something is nearly always vastly lower power than the power going into the thing that's making it, especially if it wasn't intended to be a musical instrument. Consider cars or jet fighters or locomotives as prime examples.
– Cort Ammon
Dec 10 at 20:40
add a comment |
As a general rule of thumb, the sound of something is nearly always vastly lower power than the power going into the thing that's making it, especially if it wasn't intended to be a musical instrument. Consider cars or jet fighters or locomotives as prime examples.
– Cort Ammon
Dec 10 at 20:40
As a general rule of thumb, the sound of something is nearly always vastly lower power than the power going into the thing that's making it, especially if it wasn't intended to be a musical instrument. Consider cars or jet fighters or locomotives as prime examples.
– Cort Ammon
Dec 10 at 20:40
As a general rule of thumb, the sound of something is nearly always vastly lower power than the power going into the thing that's making it, especially if it wasn't intended to be a musical instrument. Consider cars or jet fighters or locomotives as prime examples.
– Cort Ammon
Dec 10 at 20:40
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The answer by niels nielson is much more useful than my answer. But just in case you really do want a rough estimate of how much power is emitted as sound...
According to [1] (references are listed at the end), a sound level meter is a hand-held instrument with a microphone that measures the sound pressure level (SPL). I'll assume that this is the kind of decibel meter that you'll borrow. To convert SPL to power, we need to account for three things:
The relationship between sound pressure and intensity
The variation of intensity with distance from the source (the refrigerator)
The fact that the sound is not being emitting equally in all directions
For this analysis, let's account for the first two things and ignore the third one. This should be good enough for an order-of-magnitude estimate. According to [2], the relationship between sound pressure $p$ and sound intensity $I$ is
$$
I = fracp^2Z_0
tag1
$$
where $Z_0$ is the accoustic impedance, which is
$$
Z_0 = 400 fractextNewtoncdottextsecondtextmeter^3.
tag2
$$
Also,
The intensity $I$ has units of Watts per square meter
The sound pressure $p$ has units of Newtons per square meter (Pascals)
The sound level meter might register the sound pressure level as a number of decibels. According to [3], the SPL in decibels (dB) is defined by
$$
textSPL in dB = 10log_10left(fracp^2p_0^2right)
tag3
$$
where $p$ is the root mean square sound pressure and $p_0$ is the reference sound pressure
$$
p_0 = 2times 10^-5 text Pascal.
tag4
$$
Equations (1)-(4) give the following relationship between the SPL in dB, which the meter measures, and the intensity $I$, which is closer to what we want:
$$
I = frac10^textSPL/10times p_0^2Z_0
= 10^textSPL/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2,
tag5
$$
where SPL is the sound pressure level in decibels. If the sound were being emitted isotropically (the same in all directions), then we could get the total emitted power from the intensity $I$ times the area of the sphere:
$$
P = 4pi R^2 I
tag6
$$
where $R$ is the distance from the source (the radius of the sphere). Equations (5)-(6) are the desired relationships, assuming that the sound is emitted equally in all directions without any reflection — which might be a semi-realistic assumption if the refrigerator is suspended in mid-air in a large anechoic chamber, but probably much less realistic in a typical kitchen.
As an example, consder the sound emitted by a vacuum cleaner. According to [2], the SPL is about $70$ dB at a distance of $1$ meter. (Not all vacuum cleaners are identical, of course. This is only an estimate.) According to equation (5), the corresponding intensity is
$$
I
= 10^70/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2
= 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2.
tag7
$$
This is at a distance of $1$ meter, so if we assume that the sound is emitted isotropically at this intensity, the total power emitted as sound is
$$
4pi R^2 I
= 4pi ,(1text meter)^2times 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2
approx 10^-4text Watts.
tag8
$$
Every increase in the SPL of $10$ dB corresponds to a factor of $10$ increase in the power. So if we replace the vacuum cleaner with a chainsaw at the same distance, which corresponds to $110$ dB SPL according to [2], the total power emitted as sound (with the same isotropic assumption) would be $1$ Watt. For comparison to the more-useful answer by niels nielson, one horsepower is roughly 746 Watts.
Hopefully your refrigerator is not quite as noisy as a chainsaw.
References:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_level_meter
[2] http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfSoundPressureLevels.htm
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure
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+1, love this kind of answer!
– Julian Ingham
Dec 10 at 4:01
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One horsepower represents 746 watts. A refrigerator motor develops (typically) 1/4 to 1/3 horsepower of which only a tiny fraction of wattage is dissipated as vibratory noise.
The leakage of heat into the refrigerator through its walls is a far more significant loss mechanism than noise generation.
By the way, the front-most rubber feet of a refrigerator are mounted on threaded screw shafts which allow you to adjust them so all the refrigerator feet are firmly in contact with the floor. This will make the buzzing stop. Simply grasp the round rubber foot and rotate it to extend or retract it. This also allows you to actually tip the refrigerator out-of-level sideways, so that the door will tend to swing itself shut by gravity if you leave it open.
Thanks for your reply. I'm asking whether the loud buzzing when the fridge is not level wastes more energy than the quiet hummng when it is level, (b) I suspect my real problem is that the floor itself is not level and I've run into the wobbly table problem, youtu.be/aCj3qfQ68m0?t=2
– chasly from UK
Dec 10 at 9:40
the refrigerator will vibrate no matter what, so the energy loss will always happen. What's changing when you chock the legs is how well-coupled the vibrations are to the floor.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 19:05
Your power consumption numbers are off. This typical fridge has steady-state on consumption 87 watts, so roughly 1/8 of an HP total (fan and compressor). The average consumption is only 51 watts.
– user71659
Dec 10 at 20:21
@nielsnielsen the way you've worded the question in this comment (does it use more power when it's loud vs quiet) seems pretty different from how I originally understood the question from your original post (how much energy is being turned into noise?) You might do well by editing your question to clarify.
– dwizum
Dec 10 at 21:22
@user71659, the last fridge I bought was way before these new high-efficiency units became common. Sorry for the overestimate.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 21:33
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The answer by niels nielson is much more useful than my answer. But just in case you really do want a rough estimate of how much power is emitted as sound...
According to [1] (references are listed at the end), a sound level meter is a hand-held instrument with a microphone that measures the sound pressure level (SPL). I'll assume that this is the kind of decibel meter that you'll borrow. To convert SPL to power, we need to account for three things:
The relationship between sound pressure and intensity
The variation of intensity with distance from the source (the refrigerator)
The fact that the sound is not being emitting equally in all directions
For this analysis, let's account for the first two things and ignore the third one. This should be good enough for an order-of-magnitude estimate. According to [2], the relationship between sound pressure $p$ and sound intensity $I$ is
$$
I = fracp^2Z_0
tag1
$$
where $Z_0$ is the accoustic impedance, which is
$$
Z_0 = 400 fractextNewtoncdottextsecondtextmeter^3.
tag2
$$
Also,
The intensity $I$ has units of Watts per square meter
The sound pressure $p$ has units of Newtons per square meter (Pascals)
The sound level meter might register the sound pressure level as a number of decibels. According to [3], the SPL in decibels (dB) is defined by
$$
textSPL in dB = 10log_10left(fracp^2p_0^2right)
tag3
$$
where $p$ is the root mean square sound pressure and $p_0$ is the reference sound pressure
$$
p_0 = 2times 10^-5 text Pascal.
tag4
$$
Equations (1)-(4) give the following relationship between the SPL in dB, which the meter measures, and the intensity $I$, which is closer to what we want:
$$
I = frac10^textSPL/10times p_0^2Z_0
= 10^textSPL/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2,
tag5
$$
where SPL is the sound pressure level in decibels. If the sound were being emitted isotropically (the same in all directions), then we could get the total emitted power from the intensity $I$ times the area of the sphere:
$$
P = 4pi R^2 I
tag6
$$
where $R$ is the distance from the source (the radius of the sphere). Equations (5)-(6) are the desired relationships, assuming that the sound is emitted equally in all directions without any reflection — which might be a semi-realistic assumption if the refrigerator is suspended in mid-air in a large anechoic chamber, but probably much less realistic in a typical kitchen.
As an example, consder the sound emitted by a vacuum cleaner. According to [2], the SPL is about $70$ dB at a distance of $1$ meter. (Not all vacuum cleaners are identical, of course. This is only an estimate.) According to equation (5), the corresponding intensity is
$$
I
= 10^70/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2
= 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2.
tag7
$$
This is at a distance of $1$ meter, so if we assume that the sound is emitted isotropically at this intensity, the total power emitted as sound is
$$
4pi R^2 I
= 4pi ,(1text meter)^2times 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2
approx 10^-4text Watts.
tag8
$$
Every increase in the SPL of $10$ dB corresponds to a factor of $10$ increase in the power. So if we replace the vacuum cleaner with a chainsaw at the same distance, which corresponds to $110$ dB SPL according to [2], the total power emitted as sound (with the same isotropic assumption) would be $1$ Watt. For comparison to the more-useful answer by niels nielson, one horsepower is roughly 746 Watts.
Hopefully your refrigerator is not quite as noisy as a chainsaw.
References:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_level_meter
[2] http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfSoundPressureLevels.htm
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure
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+1, love this kind of answer!
– Julian Ingham
Dec 10 at 4:01
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The answer by niels nielson is much more useful than my answer. But just in case you really do want a rough estimate of how much power is emitted as sound...
According to [1] (references are listed at the end), a sound level meter is a hand-held instrument with a microphone that measures the sound pressure level (SPL). I'll assume that this is the kind of decibel meter that you'll borrow. To convert SPL to power, we need to account for three things:
The relationship between sound pressure and intensity
The variation of intensity with distance from the source (the refrigerator)
The fact that the sound is not being emitting equally in all directions
For this analysis, let's account for the first two things and ignore the third one. This should be good enough for an order-of-magnitude estimate. According to [2], the relationship between sound pressure $p$ and sound intensity $I$ is
$$
I = fracp^2Z_0
tag1
$$
where $Z_0$ is the accoustic impedance, which is
$$
Z_0 = 400 fractextNewtoncdottextsecondtextmeter^3.
tag2
$$
Also,
The intensity $I$ has units of Watts per square meter
The sound pressure $p$ has units of Newtons per square meter (Pascals)
The sound level meter might register the sound pressure level as a number of decibels. According to [3], the SPL in decibels (dB) is defined by
$$
textSPL in dB = 10log_10left(fracp^2p_0^2right)
tag3
$$
where $p$ is the root mean square sound pressure and $p_0$ is the reference sound pressure
$$
p_0 = 2times 10^-5 text Pascal.
tag4
$$
Equations (1)-(4) give the following relationship between the SPL in dB, which the meter measures, and the intensity $I$, which is closer to what we want:
$$
I = frac10^textSPL/10times p_0^2Z_0
= 10^textSPL/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2,
tag5
$$
where SPL is the sound pressure level in decibels. If the sound were being emitted isotropically (the same in all directions), then we could get the total emitted power from the intensity $I$ times the area of the sphere:
$$
P = 4pi R^2 I
tag6
$$
where $R$ is the distance from the source (the radius of the sphere). Equations (5)-(6) are the desired relationships, assuming that the sound is emitted equally in all directions without any reflection — which might be a semi-realistic assumption if the refrigerator is suspended in mid-air in a large anechoic chamber, but probably much less realistic in a typical kitchen.
As an example, consder the sound emitted by a vacuum cleaner. According to [2], the SPL is about $70$ dB at a distance of $1$ meter. (Not all vacuum cleaners are identical, of course. This is only an estimate.) According to equation (5), the corresponding intensity is
$$
I
= 10^70/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2
= 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2.
tag7
$$
This is at a distance of $1$ meter, so if we assume that the sound is emitted isotropically at this intensity, the total power emitted as sound is
$$
4pi R^2 I
= 4pi ,(1text meter)^2times 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2
approx 10^-4text Watts.
tag8
$$
Every increase in the SPL of $10$ dB corresponds to a factor of $10$ increase in the power. So if we replace the vacuum cleaner with a chainsaw at the same distance, which corresponds to $110$ dB SPL according to [2], the total power emitted as sound (with the same isotropic assumption) would be $1$ Watt. For comparison to the more-useful answer by niels nielson, one horsepower is roughly 746 Watts.
Hopefully your refrigerator is not quite as noisy as a chainsaw.
References:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_level_meter
[2] http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfSoundPressureLevels.htm
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure
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+1, love this kind of answer!
– Julian Ingham
Dec 10 at 4:01
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up vote
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up vote
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The answer by niels nielson is much more useful than my answer. But just in case you really do want a rough estimate of how much power is emitted as sound...
According to [1] (references are listed at the end), a sound level meter is a hand-held instrument with a microphone that measures the sound pressure level (SPL). I'll assume that this is the kind of decibel meter that you'll borrow. To convert SPL to power, we need to account for three things:
The relationship between sound pressure and intensity
The variation of intensity with distance from the source (the refrigerator)
The fact that the sound is not being emitting equally in all directions
For this analysis, let's account for the first two things and ignore the third one. This should be good enough for an order-of-magnitude estimate. According to [2], the relationship between sound pressure $p$ and sound intensity $I$ is
$$
I = fracp^2Z_0
tag1
$$
where $Z_0$ is the accoustic impedance, which is
$$
Z_0 = 400 fractextNewtoncdottextsecondtextmeter^3.
tag2
$$
Also,
The intensity $I$ has units of Watts per square meter
The sound pressure $p$ has units of Newtons per square meter (Pascals)
The sound level meter might register the sound pressure level as a number of decibels. According to [3], the SPL in decibels (dB) is defined by
$$
textSPL in dB = 10log_10left(fracp^2p_0^2right)
tag3
$$
where $p$ is the root mean square sound pressure and $p_0$ is the reference sound pressure
$$
p_0 = 2times 10^-5 text Pascal.
tag4
$$
Equations (1)-(4) give the following relationship between the SPL in dB, which the meter measures, and the intensity $I$, which is closer to what we want:
$$
I = frac10^textSPL/10times p_0^2Z_0
= 10^textSPL/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2,
tag5
$$
where SPL is the sound pressure level in decibels. If the sound were being emitted isotropically (the same in all directions), then we could get the total emitted power from the intensity $I$ times the area of the sphere:
$$
P = 4pi R^2 I
tag6
$$
where $R$ is the distance from the source (the radius of the sphere). Equations (5)-(6) are the desired relationships, assuming that the sound is emitted equally in all directions without any reflection — which might be a semi-realistic assumption if the refrigerator is suspended in mid-air in a large anechoic chamber, but probably much less realistic in a typical kitchen.
As an example, consder the sound emitted by a vacuum cleaner. According to [2], the SPL is about $70$ dB at a distance of $1$ meter. (Not all vacuum cleaners are identical, of course. This is only an estimate.) According to equation (5), the corresponding intensity is
$$
I
= 10^70/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2
= 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2.
tag7
$$
This is at a distance of $1$ meter, so if we assume that the sound is emitted isotropically at this intensity, the total power emitted as sound is
$$
4pi R^2 I
= 4pi ,(1text meter)^2times 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2
approx 10^-4text Watts.
tag8
$$
Every increase in the SPL of $10$ dB corresponds to a factor of $10$ increase in the power. So if we replace the vacuum cleaner with a chainsaw at the same distance, which corresponds to $110$ dB SPL according to [2], the total power emitted as sound (with the same isotropic assumption) would be $1$ Watt. For comparison to the more-useful answer by niels nielson, one horsepower is roughly 746 Watts.
Hopefully your refrigerator is not quite as noisy as a chainsaw.
References:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_level_meter
[2] http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfSoundPressureLevels.htm
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure
The answer by niels nielson is much more useful than my answer. But just in case you really do want a rough estimate of how much power is emitted as sound...
According to [1] (references are listed at the end), a sound level meter is a hand-held instrument with a microphone that measures the sound pressure level (SPL). I'll assume that this is the kind of decibel meter that you'll borrow. To convert SPL to power, we need to account for three things:
The relationship between sound pressure and intensity
The variation of intensity with distance from the source (the refrigerator)
The fact that the sound is not being emitting equally in all directions
For this analysis, let's account for the first two things and ignore the third one. This should be good enough for an order-of-magnitude estimate. According to [2], the relationship between sound pressure $p$ and sound intensity $I$ is
$$
I = fracp^2Z_0
tag1
$$
where $Z_0$ is the accoustic impedance, which is
$$
Z_0 = 400 fractextNewtoncdottextsecondtextmeter^3.
tag2
$$
Also,
The intensity $I$ has units of Watts per square meter
The sound pressure $p$ has units of Newtons per square meter (Pascals)
The sound level meter might register the sound pressure level as a number of decibels. According to [3], the SPL in decibels (dB) is defined by
$$
textSPL in dB = 10log_10left(fracp^2p_0^2right)
tag3
$$
where $p$ is the root mean square sound pressure and $p_0$ is the reference sound pressure
$$
p_0 = 2times 10^-5 text Pascal.
tag4
$$
Equations (1)-(4) give the following relationship between the SPL in dB, which the meter measures, and the intensity $I$, which is closer to what we want:
$$
I = frac10^textSPL/10times p_0^2Z_0
= 10^textSPL/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2,
tag5
$$
where SPL is the sound pressure level in decibels. If the sound were being emitted isotropically (the same in all directions), then we could get the total emitted power from the intensity $I$ times the area of the sphere:
$$
P = 4pi R^2 I
tag6
$$
where $R$ is the distance from the source (the radius of the sphere). Equations (5)-(6) are the desired relationships, assuming that the sound is emitted equally in all directions without any reflection — which might be a semi-realistic assumption if the refrigerator is suspended in mid-air in a large anechoic chamber, but probably much less realistic in a typical kitchen.
As an example, consder the sound emitted by a vacuum cleaner. According to [2], the SPL is about $70$ dB at a distance of $1$ meter. (Not all vacuum cleaners are identical, of course. This is only an estimate.) According to equation (5), the corresponding intensity is
$$
I
= 10^70/10times 10^-12
fractextWattstextmeter^2
= 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2.
tag7
$$
This is at a distance of $1$ meter, so if we assume that the sound is emitted isotropically at this intensity, the total power emitted as sound is
$$
4pi R^2 I
= 4pi ,(1text meter)^2times 10^-5
fractextWattstextmeter^2
approx 10^-4text Watts.
tag8
$$
Every increase in the SPL of $10$ dB corresponds to a factor of $10$ increase in the power. So if we replace the vacuum cleaner with a chainsaw at the same distance, which corresponds to $110$ dB SPL according to [2], the total power emitted as sound (with the same isotropic assumption) would be $1$ Watt. For comparison to the more-useful answer by niels nielson, one horsepower is roughly 746 Watts.
Hopefully your refrigerator is not quite as noisy as a chainsaw.
References:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_level_meter
[2] http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfSoundPressureLevels.htm
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure
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One horsepower represents 746 watts. A refrigerator motor develops (typically) 1/4 to 1/3 horsepower of which only a tiny fraction of wattage is dissipated as vibratory noise.
The leakage of heat into the refrigerator through its walls is a far more significant loss mechanism than noise generation.
By the way, the front-most rubber feet of a refrigerator are mounted on threaded screw shafts which allow you to adjust them so all the refrigerator feet are firmly in contact with the floor. This will make the buzzing stop. Simply grasp the round rubber foot and rotate it to extend or retract it. This also allows you to actually tip the refrigerator out-of-level sideways, so that the door will tend to swing itself shut by gravity if you leave it open.
Thanks for your reply. I'm asking whether the loud buzzing when the fridge is not level wastes more energy than the quiet hummng when it is level, (b) I suspect my real problem is that the floor itself is not level and I've run into the wobbly table problem, youtu.be/aCj3qfQ68m0?t=2
– chasly from UK
Dec 10 at 9:40
the refrigerator will vibrate no matter what, so the energy loss will always happen. What's changing when you chock the legs is how well-coupled the vibrations are to the floor.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 19:05
Your power consumption numbers are off. This typical fridge has steady-state on consumption 87 watts, so roughly 1/8 of an HP total (fan and compressor). The average consumption is only 51 watts.
– user71659
Dec 10 at 20:21
@nielsnielsen the way you've worded the question in this comment (does it use more power when it's loud vs quiet) seems pretty different from how I originally understood the question from your original post (how much energy is being turned into noise?) You might do well by editing your question to clarify.
– dwizum
Dec 10 at 21:22
@user71659, the last fridge I bought was way before these new high-efficiency units became common. Sorry for the overestimate.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 21:33
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One horsepower represents 746 watts. A refrigerator motor develops (typically) 1/4 to 1/3 horsepower of which only a tiny fraction of wattage is dissipated as vibratory noise.
The leakage of heat into the refrigerator through its walls is a far more significant loss mechanism than noise generation.
By the way, the front-most rubber feet of a refrigerator are mounted on threaded screw shafts which allow you to adjust them so all the refrigerator feet are firmly in contact with the floor. This will make the buzzing stop. Simply grasp the round rubber foot and rotate it to extend or retract it. This also allows you to actually tip the refrigerator out-of-level sideways, so that the door will tend to swing itself shut by gravity if you leave it open.
Thanks for your reply. I'm asking whether the loud buzzing when the fridge is not level wastes more energy than the quiet hummng when it is level, (b) I suspect my real problem is that the floor itself is not level and I've run into the wobbly table problem, youtu.be/aCj3qfQ68m0?t=2
– chasly from UK
Dec 10 at 9:40
the refrigerator will vibrate no matter what, so the energy loss will always happen. What's changing when you chock the legs is how well-coupled the vibrations are to the floor.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 19:05
Your power consumption numbers are off. This typical fridge has steady-state on consumption 87 watts, so roughly 1/8 of an HP total (fan and compressor). The average consumption is only 51 watts.
– user71659
Dec 10 at 20:21
@nielsnielsen the way you've worded the question in this comment (does it use more power when it's loud vs quiet) seems pretty different from how I originally understood the question from your original post (how much energy is being turned into noise?) You might do well by editing your question to clarify.
– dwizum
Dec 10 at 21:22
@user71659, the last fridge I bought was way before these new high-efficiency units became common. Sorry for the overestimate.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 21:33
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up vote
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down vote
One horsepower represents 746 watts. A refrigerator motor develops (typically) 1/4 to 1/3 horsepower of which only a tiny fraction of wattage is dissipated as vibratory noise.
The leakage of heat into the refrigerator through its walls is a far more significant loss mechanism than noise generation.
By the way, the front-most rubber feet of a refrigerator are mounted on threaded screw shafts which allow you to adjust them so all the refrigerator feet are firmly in contact with the floor. This will make the buzzing stop. Simply grasp the round rubber foot and rotate it to extend or retract it. This also allows you to actually tip the refrigerator out-of-level sideways, so that the door will tend to swing itself shut by gravity if you leave it open.
One horsepower represents 746 watts. A refrigerator motor develops (typically) 1/4 to 1/3 horsepower of which only a tiny fraction of wattage is dissipated as vibratory noise.
The leakage of heat into the refrigerator through its walls is a far more significant loss mechanism than noise generation.
By the way, the front-most rubber feet of a refrigerator are mounted on threaded screw shafts which allow you to adjust them so all the refrigerator feet are firmly in contact with the floor. This will make the buzzing stop. Simply grasp the round rubber foot and rotate it to extend or retract it. This also allows you to actually tip the refrigerator out-of-level sideways, so that the door will tend to swing itself shut by gravity if you leave it open.
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Thanks for your reply. I'm asking whether the loud buzzing when the fridge is not level wastes more energy than the quiet hummng when it is level, (b) I suspect my real problem is that the floor itself is not level and I've run into the wobbly table problem, youtu.be/aCj3qfQ68m0?t=2
– chasly from UK
Dec 10 at 9:40
the refrigerator will vibrate no matter what, so the energy loss will always happen. What's changing when you chock the legs is how well-coupled the vibrations are to the floor.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 19:05
Your power consumption numbers are off. This typical fridge has steady-state on consumption 87 watts, so roughly 1/8 of an HP total (fan and compressor). The average consumption is only 51 watts.
– user71659
Dec 10 at 20:21
@nielsnielsen the way you've worded the question in this comment (does it use more power when it's loud vs quiet) seems pretty different from how I originally understood the question from your original post (how much energy is being turned into noise?) You might do well by editing your question to clarify.
– dwizum
Dec 10 at 21:22
@user71659, the last fridge I bought was way before these new high-efficiency units became common. Sorry for the overestimate.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 21:33
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Thanks for your reply. I'm asking whether the loud buzzing when the fridge is not level wastes more energy than the quiet hummng when it is level, (b) I suspect my real problem is that the floor itself is not level and I've run into the wobbly table problem, youtu.be/aCj3qfQ68m0?t=2
– chasly from UK
Dec 10 at 9:40
the refrigerator will vibrate no matter what, so the energy loss will always happen. What's changing when you chock the legs is how well-coupled the vibrations are to the floor.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 19:05
Your power consumption numbers are off. This typical fridge has steady-state on consumption 87 watts, so roughly 1/8 of an HP total (fan and compressor). The average consumption is only 51 watts.
– user71659
Dec 10 at 20:21
@nielsnielsen the way you've worded the question in this comment (does it use more power when it's loud vs quiet) seems pretty different from how I originally understood the question from your original post (how much energy is being turned into noise?) You might do well by editing your question to clarify.
– dwizum
Dec 10 at 21:22
@user71659, the last fridge I bought was way before these new high-efficiency units became common. Sorry for the overestimate.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 21:33
Thanks for your reply. I'm asking whether the loud buzzing when the fridge is not level wastes more energy than the quiet hummng when it is level, (b) I suspect my real problem is that the floor itself is not level and I've run into the wobbly table problem, youtu.be/aCj3qfQ68m0?t=2
– chasly from UK
Dec 10 at 9:40
Thanks for your reply. I'm asking whether the loud buzzing when the fridge is not level wastes more energy than the quiet hummng when it is level, (b) I suspect my real problem is that the floor itself is not level and I've run into the wobbly table problem, youtu.be/aCj3qfQ68m0?t=2
– chasly from UK
Dec 10 at 9:40
the refrigerator will vibrate no matter what, so the energy loss will always happen. What's changing when you chock the legs is how well-coupled the vibrations are to the floor.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 19:05
the refrigerator will vibrate no matter what, so the energy loss will always happen. What's changing when you chock the legs is how well-coupled the vibrations are to the floor.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 19:05
Your power consumption numbers are off. This typical fridge has steady-state on consumption 87 watts, so roughly 1/8 of an HP total (fan and compressor). The average consumption is only 51 watts.
– user71659
Dec 10 at 20:21
Your power consumption numbers are off. This typical fridge has steady-state on consumption 87 watts, so roughly 1/8 of an HP total (fan and compressor). The average consumption is only 51 watts.
– user71659
Dec 10 at 20:21
@nielsnielsen the way you've worded the question in this comment (does it use more power when it's loud vs quiet) seems pretty different from how I originally understood the question from your original post (how much energy is being turned into noise?) You might do well by editing your question to clarify.
– dwizum
Dec 10 at 21:22
@nielsnielsen the way you've worded the question in this comment (does it use more power when it's loud vs quiet) seems pretty different from how I originally understood the question from your original post (how much energy is being turned into noise?) You might do well by editing your question to clarify.
– dwizum
Dec 10 at 21:22
@user71659, the last fridge I bought was way before these new high-efficiency units became common. Sorry for the overestimate.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 21:33
@user71659, the last fridge I bought was way before these new high-efficiency units became common. Sorry for the overestimate.
– niels nielsen
Dec 10 at 21:33
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As a general rule of thumb, the sound of something is nearly always vastly lower power than the power going into the thing that's making it, especially if it wasn't intended to be a musical instrument. Consider cars or jet fighters or locomotives as prime examples.
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