Can this self-adjoint operator have an infinite-dimensional compression with compact inverse?
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The following might be quite straightforward, but I very rarely work in detail with unbounded operators, so I thought it would be worth seeing quickly if I have overlooked an example that is obvious from the right point of view.
Let $H=L^2(-infty,infty)$ and let $S:H supset rm dom(S) to H$ be the densely-defined operator $(Sf)(x)=e^xf(x)$, with domain
$$
rm dom(S)=^2,dx <infty
$$
Then $S$ is self-adjoint.
Question. Does there exists a projection $P:Hto H$, with range $V$, satisfying the following properties?
$V$ is infinite-dimensional and $V':=rm dom(S)cap V$ is dense in $V$.
there is a compact operator $R:Vto V$ such that $RPSPvert_V'= I_V'$?
Some remarks:
(a) If we weakened 2. to merely require $R$ being bounded, then this should be easy by taking $V=L^2[0,infty)$ and $R:Vto V$ to be multiplication by $e^-x$. But of course $R$ has continuous spectrum, so it can't be compact.
(b) If we intertwine with the Fourier transform or something similar, perhaps we can we obtain such a $V$ as the solution space to a suitable differential equation? (I have not looked at this vague idea in any detail yet.)
(c) If the answer to the question is positive, can we even get $R$ being trace-class?
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The following might be quite straightforward, but I very rarely work in detail with unbounded operators, so I thought it would be worth seeing quickly if I have overlooked an example that is obvious from the right point of view.
Let $H=L^2(-infty,infty)$ and let $S:H supset rm dom(S) to H$ be the densely-defined operator $(Sf)(x)=e^xf(x)$, with domain
$$
rm dom(S)=^2,dx <infty
$$
Then $S$ is self-adjoint.
Question. Does there exists a projection $P:Hto H$, with range $V$, satisfying the following properties?
$V$ is infinite-dimensional and $V':=rm dom(S)cap V$ is dense in $V$.
there is a compact operator $R:Vto V$ such that $RPSPvert_V'= I_V'$?
Some remarks:
(a) If we weakened 2. to merely require $R$ being bounded, then this should be easy by taking $V=L^2[0,infty)$ and $R:Vto V$ to be multiplication by $e^-x$. But of course $R$ has continuous spectrum, so it can't be compact.
(b) If we intertwine with the Fourier transform or something similar, perhaps we can we obtain such a $V$ as the solution space to a suitable differential equation? (I have not looked at this vague idea in any detail yet.)
(c) If the answer to the question is positive, can we even get $R$ being trace-class?
fa.functional-analysis operator-theory sp.spectral-theory
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"Projection" here means "orthogonal projection"?
â Nate Eldredge
Aug 17 at 3:09
@NateEldredge oops, yes. (Had my op alg hat on, where that is the usual shorthand)
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:25
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The following might be quite straightforward, but I very rarely work in detail with unbounded operators, so I thought it would be worth seeing quickly if I have overlooked an example that is obvious from the right point of view.
Let $H=L^2(-infty,infty)$ and let $S:H supset rm dom(S) to H$ be the densely-defined operator $(Sf)(x)=e^xf(x)$, with domain
$$
rm dom(S)=^2,dx <infty
$$
Then $S$ is self-adjoint.
Question. Does there exists a projection $P:Hto H$, with range $V$, satisfying the following properties?
$V$ is infinite-dimensional and $V':=rm dom(S)cap V$ is dense in $V$.
there is a compact operator $R:Vto V$ such that $RPSPvert_V'= I_V'$?
Some remarks:
(a) If we weakened 2. to merely require $R$ being bounded, then this should be easy by taking $V=L^2[0,infty)$ and $R:Vto V$ to be multiplication by $e^-x$. But of course $R$ has continuous spectrum, so it can't be compact.
(b) If we intertwine with the Fourier transform or something similar, perhaps we can we obtain such a $V$ as the solution space to a suitable differential equation? (I have not looked at this vague idea in any detail yet.)
(c) If the answer to the question is positive, can we even get $R$ being trace-class?
fa.functional-analysis operator-theory sp.spectral-theory
The following might be quite straightforward, but I very rarely work in detail with unbounded operators, so I thought it would be worth seeing quickly if I have overlooked an example that is obvious from the right point of view.
Let $H=L^2(-infty,infty)$ and let $S:H supset rm dom(S) to H$ be the densely-defined operator $(Sf)(x)=e^xf(x)$, with domain
$$
rm dom(S)=^2,dx <infty
$$
Then $S$ is self-adjoint.
Question. Does there exists a projection $P:Hto H$, with range $V$, satisfying the following properties?
$V$ is infinite-dimensional and $V':=rm dom(S)cap V$ is dense in $V$.
there is a compact operator $R:Vto V$ such that $RPSPvert_V'= I_V'$?
Some remarks:
(a) If we weakened 2. to merely require $R$ being bounded, then this should be easy by taking $V=L^2[0,infty)$ and $R:Vto V$ to be multiplication by $e^-x$. But of course $R$ has continuous spectrum, so it can't be compact.
(b) If we intertwine with the Fourier transform or something similar, perhaps we can we obtain such a $V$ as the solution space to a suitable differential equation? (I have not looked at this vague idea in any detail yet.)
(c) If the answer to the question is positive, can we even get $R$ being trace-class?
fa.functional-analysis operator-theory sp.spectral-theory
fa.functional-analysis operator-theory sp.spectral-theory
asked Aug 17 at 2:28
Yemon Choi
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"Projection" here means "orthogonal projection"?
â Nate Eldredge
Aug 17 at 3:09
@NateEldredge oops, yes. (Had my op alg hat on, where that is the usual shorthand)
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:25
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"Projection" here means "orthogonal projection"?
â Nate Eldredge
Aug 17 at 3:09
@NateEldredge oops, yes. (Had my op alg hat on, where that is the usual shorthand)
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:25
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1
"Projection" here means "orthogonal projection"?
â Nate Eldredge
Aug 17 at 3:09
"Projection" here means "orthogonal projection"?
â Nate Eldredge
Aug 17 at 3:09
@NateEldredge oops, yes. (Had my op alg hat on, where that is the usual shorthand)
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:25
@NateEldredge oops, yes. (Had my op alg hat on, where that is the usual shorthand)
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:25
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Sure, for instance let $P$ be the orthogonal projection onto the closed span of the characteristic functions $chi_[n,n+1)$ for $n in mathbbN$. You get property 1 because each of these functions is in the domain of $S$, and you get property 2 because, identifying $V$ with $l^2$ in the obvious way, the operator $PSP$ becomes multiplication by, I think, $e^n(e - 1)$. So this compression has compact, even trace-class inverse, namely multiplication by $e^-n(e-1)^-1$.
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Kicking myself now for not thinking of trying to discretize the spectrum by brute force. Looks good - I'll come back tomorrow and double-check the details
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:42
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BTW, by comprssing to an increasing sequence $(n_k)$ you can make the eigenvalues of $PSP$ go to infinity as fast as you want.
â Nik Weaver
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1 Answer
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Sure, for instance let $P$ be the orthogonal projection onto the closed span of the characteristic functions $chi_[n,n+1)$ for $n in mathbbN$. You get property 1 because each of these functions is in the domain of $S$, and you get property 2 because, identifying $V$ with $l^2$ in the obvious way, the operator $PSP$ becomes multiplication by, I think, $e^n(e - 1)$. So this compression has compact, even trace-class inverse, namely multiplication by $e^-n(e-1)^-1$.
1
Kicking myself now for not thinking of trying to discretize the spectrum by brute force. Looks good - I'll come back tomorrow and double-check the details
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:42
1
BTW, by comprssing to an increasing sequence $(n_k)$ you can make the eigenvalues of $PSP$ go to infinity as fast as you want.
â Nik Weaver
Aug 17 at 13:52
add a comment |Â
up vote
7
down vote
accepted
Sure, for instance let $P$ be the orthogonal projection onto the closed span of the characteristic functions $chi_[n,n+1)$ for $n in mathbbN$. You get property 1 because each of these functions is in the domain of $S$, and you get property 2 because, identifying $V$ with $l^2$ in the obvious way, the operator $PSP$ becomes multiplication by, I think, $e^n(e - 1)$. So this compression has compact, even trace-class inverse, namely multiplication by $e^-n(e-1)^-1$.
1
Kicking myself now for not thinking of trying to discretize the spectrum by brute force. Looks good - I'll come back tomorrow and double-check the details
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:42
1
BTW, by comprssing to an increasing sequence $(n_k)$ you can make the eigenvalues of $PSP$ go to infinity as fast as you want.
â Nik Weaver
Aug 17 at 13:52
add a comment |Â
up vote
7
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accepted
up vote
7
down vote
accepted
Sure, for instance let $P$ be the orthogonal projection onto the closed span of the characteristic functions $chi_[n,n+1)$ for $n in mathbbN$. You get property 1 because each of these functions is in the domain of $S$, and you get property 2 because, identifying $V$ with $l^2$ in the obvious way, the operator $PSP$ becomes multiplication by, I think, $e^n(e - 1)$. So this compression has compact, even trace-class inverse, namely multiplication by $e^-n(e-1)^-1$.
Sure, for instance let $P$ be the orthogonal projection onto the closed span of the characteristic functions $chi_[n,n+1)$ for $n in mathbbN$. You get property 1 because each of these functions is in the domain of $S$, and you get property 2 because, identifying $V$ with $l^2$ in the obvious way, the operator $PSP$ becomes multiplication by, I think, $e^n(e - 1)$. So this compression has compact, even trace-class inverse, namely multiplication by $e^-n(e-1)^-1$.
answered Aug 17 at 3:26
Nik Weaver
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Kicking myself now for not thinking of trying to discretize the spectrum by brute force. Looks good - I'll come back tomorrow and double-check the details
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:42
1
BTW, by comprssing to an increasing sequence $(n_k)$ you can make the eigenvalues of $PSP$ go to infinity as fast as you want.
â Nik Weaver
Aug 17 at 13:52
add a comment |Â
1
Kicking myself now for not thinking of trying to discretize the spectrum by brute force. Looks good - I'll come back tomorrow and double-check the details
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:42
1
BTW, by comprssing to an increasing sequence $(n_k)$ you can make the eigenvalues of $PSP$ go to infinity as fast as you want.
â Nik Weaver
Aug 17 at 13:52
1
1
Kicking myself now for not thinking of trying to discretize the spectrum by brute force. Looks good - I'll come back tomorrow and double-check the details
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:42
Kicking myself now for not thinking of trying to discretize the spectrum by brute force. Looks good - I'll come back tomorrow and double-check the details
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:42
1
1
BTW, by comprssing to an increasing sequence $(n_k)$ you can make the eigenvalues of $PSP$ go to infinity as fast as you want.
â Nik Weaver
Aug 17 at 13:52
BTW, by comprssing to an increasing sequence $(n_k)$ you can make the eigenvalues of $PSP$ go to infinity as fast as you want.
â Nik Weaver
Aug 17 at 13:52
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"Projection" here means "orthogonal projection"?
â Nate Eldredge
Aug 17 at 3:09
@NateEldredge oops, yes. (Had my op alg hat on, where that is the usual shorthand)
â Yemon Choi
Aug 17 at 3:25