What is the dot in “$1.2.4$”.
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I am not a mathematician. I did additional maths O’level back in the stone age but did not pursue maths further (much to my regret).
I am reading David Acheson’s fascinating book ‘The Story of Calculus’ and have just about kept up till I got a use of ‘.’ (dot) that I do not understand. It is in his Chapter 14 ‘an Enigma’ and first occurs here in the context of chain rule:-
Suppose, for instance, thar y is some function of x, and that x itself is a function of some other variable - say t. Then we can, if we wish, consider y as a function of t, and then
dy/dt=dy/dx.dx/dt
What is the dot doing? I looked at the suggested previous questions about the dot without success. Does it mean and (as it does in propositional logic, where P.Q stands for P&Q?
The (or a) mysterious dot corps up again in Chapter 23, about e numbers, on the topic of the Taylor series. Here we find the series
*e^x=1+x+^2/1.2+x^3/1.2.3+...
What is the dot doing here, please? Is it in some way a concatenation? Or what is it?
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I am not a mathematician. I did additional maths O’level back in the stone age but did not pursue maths further (much to my regret).
I am reading David Acheson’s fascinating book ‘The Story of Calculus’ and have just about kept up till I got a use of ‘.’ (dot) that I do not understand. It is in his Chapter 14 ‘an Enigma’ and first occurs here in the context of chain rule:-
Suppose, for instance, thar y is some function of x, and that x itself is a function of some other variable - say t. Then we can, if we wish, consider y as a function of t, and then
dy/dt=dy/dx.dx/dt
What is the dot doing? I looked at the suggested previous questions about the dot without success. Does it mean and (as it does in propositional logic, where P.Q stands for P&Q?
The (or a) mysterious dot corps up again in Chapter 23, about e numbers, on the topic of the Taylor series. Here we find the series
*e^x=1+x+^2/1.2+x^3/1.2.3+...
What is the dot doing here, please? Is it in some way a concatenation? Or what is it?
calculus sequences-and-series limits notation
edited Mar 14 at 6:46
miracle173
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asked Mar 13 at 13:36
TuffyTuffy
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication
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– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 13:37
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Such a use of a dot when used for multiplication however usually occurs centered vertically as such: $acdot b$ typed asa cdot bas opposed to lower like a decimal point as such: $a.b$.
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– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:39
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If you just type acdot b without initiating mathmode, it doesn't do anything special of course... you need to initiate mathmode first using dollar signs like$acdot b$. See more about how to type with MathJax and $LaTeX$ here by visiting this tutorial
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– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:45
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One final comment from me before leaving this thread, I would personally avoid using the lower dots to mean multiplication and would only use center dots as it is more common on an international site to interpret $5.3$ as the number $5 + frac310$ rather than the number $15$. Yes, some countries use commas rather than periods to denote decimal points so it might not have been ambiguous to them, but it will appear strange and frustrating to those from countries where that isn't the case. It is like how $sin^-1$ means different things based on your location ($csc$ vs $arcsin$).
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– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:50
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In my (almost entirely English-language) experience the lowered dot for multiplication is used in British sources. Acheson is British.
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– Michael Lugo
Mar 13 at 14:11
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I am not a mathematician. I did additional maths O’level back in the stone age but did not pursue maths further (much to my regret).
I am reading David Acheson’s fascinating book ‘The Story of Calculus’ and have just about kept up till I got a use of ‘.’ (dot) that I do not understand. It is in his Chapter 14 ‘an Enigma’ and first occurs here in the context of chain rule:-
Suppose, for instance, thar y is some function of x, and that x itself is a function of some other variable - say t. Then we can, if we wish, consider y as a function of t, and then
dy/dt=dy/dx.dx/dt
What is the dot doing? I looked at the suggested previous questions about the dot without success. Does it mean and (as it does in propositional logic, where P.Q stands for P&Q?
The (or a) mysterious dot corps up again in Chapter 23, about e numbers, on the topic of the Taylor series. Here we find the series
*e^x=1+x+^2/1.2+x^3/1.2.3+...
What is the dot doing here, please? Is it in some way a concatenation? Or what is it?
calculus sequences-and-series limits notation
edited Mar 14 at 6:46
miracle173
7,38022247
asked Mar 13 at 13:36
TuffyTuffy
1776
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I am not a mathematician. I did additional maths O’level back in the stone age but did not pursue maths further (much to my regret).
I am reading David Acheson’s fascinating book ‘The Story of Calculus’ and have just about kept up till I got a use of ‘.’ (dot) that I do not understand. It is in his Chapter 14 ‘an Enigma’ and first occurs here in the context of chain rule:-
Suppose, for instance, thar y is some function of x, and that x itself is a function of some other variable - say t. Then we can, if we wish, consider y as a function of t, and then
dy/dt=dy/dx.dx/dt
What is the dot doing? I looked at the suggested previous questions about the dot without success. Does it mean and (as it does in propositional logic, where P.Q stands for P&Q?
The (or a) mysterious dot corps up again in Chapter 23, about e numbers, on the topic of the Taylor series. Here we find the series
*e^x=1+x+^2/1.2+x^3/1.2.3+...
What is the dot doing here, please? Is it in some way a concatenation? Or what is it?
calculus sequences-and-series limits notation
calculus sequences-and-series limits notation
edited Mar 14 at 6:46
miracle173
7,38022247
asked Mar 13 at 13:36
TuffyTuffy
1776
edited Mar 14 at 6:46
miracle173
7,38022247
asked Mar 13 at 13:36
TuffyTuffy
1776
edited Mar 14 at 6:46
miracle173
7,38022247
edited Mar 14 at 6:46
miracle173
7,38022247
edited Mar 14 at 6:46
miracle173
7,38022247
7,38022247
asked Mar 13 at 13:36
TuffyTuffy
1776
asked Mar 13 at 13:36
TuffyTuffy
1776
asked Mar 13 at 13:36
TuffyTuffy
1776
1776
18
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication
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– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 13:37
3
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Such a use of a dot when used for multiplication however usually occurs centered vertically as such: $acdot b$ typed asa cdot bas opposed to lower like a decimal point as such: $a.b$.
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– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:39
1
$begingroup$
If you just type acdot b without initiating mathmode, it doesn't do anything special of course... you need to initiate mathmode first using dollar signs like$acdot b$. See more about how to type with MathJax and $LaTeX$ here by visiting this tutorial
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– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:45
3
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One final comment from me before leaving this thread, I would personally avoid using the lower dots to mean multiplication and would only use center dots as it is more common on an international site to interpret $5.3$ as the number $5 + frac310$ rather than the number $15$. Yes, some countries use commas rather than periods to denote decimal points so it might not have been ambiguous to them, but it will appear strange and frustrating to those from countries where that isn't the case. It is like how $sin^-1$ means different things based on your location ($csc$ vs $arcsin$).
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– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:50
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In my (almost entirely English-language) experience the lowered dot for multiplication is used in British sources. Acheson is British.
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– Michael Lugo
Mar 13 at 14:11
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show 4 more comments
18
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication
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– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 13:37
3
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Such a use of a dot when used for multiplication however usually occurs centered vertically as such: $acdot b$ typed asa cdot bas opposed to lower like a decimal point as such: $a.b$.
$endgroup$
– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:39
1
$begingroup$
If you just type acdot b without initiating mathmode, it doesn't do anything special of course... you need to initiate mathmode first using dollar signs like$acdot b$. See more about how to type with MathJax and $LaTeX$ here by visiting this tutorial
$endgroup$
– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:45
3
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One final comment from me before leaving this thread, I would personally avoid using the lower dots to mean multiplication and would only use center dots as it is more common on an international site to interpret $5.3$ as the number $5 + frac310$ rather than the number $15$. Yes, some countries use commas rather than periods to denote decimal points so it might not have been ambiguous to them, but it will appear strange and frustrating to those from countries where that isn't the case. It is like how $sin^-1$ means different things based on your location ($csc$ vs $arcsin$).
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– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:50
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In my (almost entirely English-language) experience the lowered dot for multiplication is used in British sources. Acheson is British.
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– Michael Lugo
Mar 13 at 14:11
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication
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– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 13:37
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication
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– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 13:37
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3
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Such a use of a dot when used for multiplication however usually occurs centered vertically as such: $acdot b$ typed as
a cdot b as opposed to lower like a decimal point as such: $a.b$.$endgroup$
– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:39
$begingroup$
Such a use of a dot when used for multiplication however usually occurs centered vertically as such: $acdot b$ typed as
a cdot b as opposed to lower like a decimal point as such: $a.b$.$endgroup$
– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:39
1
1
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If you just type acdot b without initiating mathmode, it doesn't do anything special of course... you need to initiate mathmode first using dollar signs like
$acdot b$. See more about how to type with MathJax and $LaTeX$ here by visiting this tutorial$endgroup$
– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:45
$begingroup$
If you just type acdot b without initiating mathmode, it doesn't do anything special of course... you need to initiate mathmode first using dollar signs like
$acdot b$. See more about how to type with MathJax and $LaTeX$ here by visiting this tutorial$endgroup$
– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:45
3
3
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One final comment from me before leaving this thread, I would personally avoid using the lower dots to mean multiplication and would only use center dots as it is more common on an international site to interpret $5.3$ as the number $5 + frac310$ rather than the number $15$. Yes, some countries use commas rather than periods to denote decimal points so it might not have been ambiguous to them, but it will appear strange and frustrating to those from countries where that isn't the case. It is like how $sin^-1$ means different things based on your location ($csc$ vs $arcsin$).
$endgroup$
– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:50
$begingroup$
One final comment from me before leaving this thread, I would personally avoid using the lower dots to mean multiplication and would only use center dots as it is more common on an international site to interpret $5.3$ as the number $5 + frac310$ rather than the number $15$. Yes, some countries use commas rather than periods to denote decimal points so it might not have been ambiguous to them, but it will appear strange and frustrating to those from countries where that isn't the case. It is like how $sin^-1$ means different things based on your location ($csc$ vs $arcsin$).
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– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:50
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In my (almost entirely English-language) experience the lowered dot for multiplication is used in British sources. Acheson is British.
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– Michael Lugo
Mar 13 at 14:11
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In my (almost entirely English-language) experience the lowered dot for multiplication is used in British sources. Acheson is British.
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It is a quite common notation, if used, for multiplication, i.e.
$$5.3=5cdot3=5times3=15$$
In your case
$$dy/dx.dx/dt=fracdydxtimesfracdxdt$$
and
$$e^x=1+x+fracx^21.2+fracx^31.2.3+cdots=1+x+fracx^21times2+fracx^31times2times3+cdots$$
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
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I think that’s it, thank you. But does that mean in the second example that “x^3/1.2.3” means “x^3/1x2x3”?
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– Tuffy
Mar 13 at 13:50
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Is the low dot actually really "commonly" used for multiplication? Where? I can understand $x.y$, and $5 cdot 3$ is obviously multiplication, but wouldn't $5.3$ get confused with the number $5 + 3/10$ really fast?!
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– ilkkachu
Mar 13 at 17:07
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It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10, and you can't overload the same symbol to mean something totally different. (letting dx.dx bedx × dxis tolerable, because dx.dx does not already mean dx + dx/10).
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– Monty Harder
Mar 13 at 17:14
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@ilkkachu Especially in the field of algebra, specifically in Linear Algebra and Abstract Algeba, I have encountered this notation quite often denoting multiplication, e.g. an inner product, in various ways. For myself, as German native speaker, I am used to $5colorred,3$ as equivalent to $5+frac310$ from where it cannot be mistaken with $5.3$. I have to admit that I have seen this notation rarely in connection with actual multplication of numbers.
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– mrtaurho
Mar 13 at 17:31
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@Monty Harder: It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10 --- Given that Acheson's book appears to take a heavily historical approach (based on what little I can see via google sample previews), it seems pretty obvious to me that he's doing this so as to be using the notation originally used in the 1700s and 1800s. For example, see p. 109 here and p. 49 here.
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– Dave L. Renfro
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication.
Cf. this Wikipedia article.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
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As @J.W.Tanner said though we usually write $a$ times $b$ as $$ab$$ or $$a times b$$ the urge of denoting it by $$a cdot b$$ is also common.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
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I'm not sure who "we" is in this answer. Among mathematicians, multiplication of numbers is almost universally denoted by $ab$ or $acdot b$. $times$ is used to denote other kinds of products, like the cross product of vectors.
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:21
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@Wojowu: note that $times$ is "times" in MathJax
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– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 14:38
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@J.W.Tanner I know, I have used that in my comment.
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:45
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@Wojowu I think I'd be a little more precise: multiplication of numerical variables is almost always $ab$ or $acdot b$, with $times$ used for other kinds of products. But for multiplying literal numbers, a lot of people will write, e.g., $3times 5$ because $3cdot5$ looks a lot like $3.5$ (and, obviously, $35$ is thirty-five, not fifteen).
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– David Richerby
Mar 13 at 16:15
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@DavidRicherby I admit I have meant numerical variables there; of course concatenation would be a terrible choice of a notation. I would still think that, for concrete numbers, $3cdot 5$ would be more common than $3times 5$ (though I admit I'm having hard time finding evidence for that - most math papers nowadays don't multiply numbers!)
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– Wojowu
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It is a quite common notation, if used, for multiplication, i.e.
$$5.3=5cdot3=5times3=15$$
In your case
$$dy/dx.dx/dt=fracdydxtimesfracdxdt$$
and
$$e^x=1+x+fracx^21.2+fracx^31.2.3+cdots=1+x+fracx^21times2+fracx^31times2times3+cdots$$
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
mrtaurhomrtaurho
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I think that’s it, thank you. But does that mean in the second example that “x^3/1.2.3” means “x^3/1x2x3”?
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– Tuffy
Mar 13 at 13:50
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Is the low dot actually really "commonly" used for multiplication? Where? I can understand $x.y$, and $5 cdot 3$ is obviously multiplication, but wouldn't $5.3$ get confused with the number $5 + 3/10$ really fast?!
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– ilkkachu
Mar 13 at 17:07
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It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10, and you can't overload the same symbol to mean something totally different. (letting dx.dx bedx × dxis tolerable, because dx.dx does not already mean dx + dx/10).
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– Monty Harder
Mar 13 at 17:14
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@ilkkachu Especially in the field of algebra, specifically in Linear Algebra and Abstract Algeba, I have encountered this notation quite often denoting multiplication, e.g. an inner product, in various ways. For myself, as German native speaker, I am used to $5colorred,3$ as equivalent to $5+frac310$ from where it cannot be mistaken with $5.3$. I have to admit that I have seen this notation rarely in connection with actual multplication of numbers.
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– mrtaurho
Mar 13 at 17:31
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@Monty Harder: It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10 --- Given that Acheson's book appears to take a heavily historical approach (based on what little I can see via google sample previews), it seems pretty obvious to me that he's doing this so as to be using the notation originally used in the 1700s and 1800s. For example, see p. 109 here and p. 49 here.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Mar 13 at 17:58
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show 11 more comments
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It is a quite common notation, if used, for multiplication, i.e.
$$5.3=5cdot3=5times3=15$$
In your case
$$dy/dx.dx/dt=fracdydxtimesfracdxdt$$
and
$$e^x=1+x+fracx^21.2+fracx^31.2.3+cdots=1+x+fracx^21times2+fracx^31times2times3+cdots$$
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
mrtaurhomrtaurho
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I think that’s it, thank you. But does that mean in the second example that “x^3/1.2.3” means “x^3/1x2x3”?
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– Tuffy
Mar 13 at 13:50
25
$begingroup$
Is the low dot actually really "commonly" used for multiplication? Where? I can understand $x.y$, and $5 cdot 3$ is obviously multiplication, but wouldn't $5.3$ get confused with the number $5 + 3/10$ really fast?!
$endgroup$
– ilkkachu
Mar 13 at 17:07
13
$begingroup$
It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10, and you can't overload the same symbol to mean something totally different. (letting dx.dx bedx × dxis tolerable, because dx.dx does not already mean dx + dx/10).
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– Monty Harder
Mar 13 at 17:14
3
$begingroup$
@ilkkachu Especially in the field of algebra, specifically in Linear Algebra and Abstract Algeba, I have encountered this notation quite often denoting multiplication, e.g. an inner product, in various ways. For myself, as German native speaker, I am used to $5colorred,3$ as equivalent to $5+frac310$ from where it cannot be mistaken with $5.3$. I have to admit that I have seen this notation rarely in connection with actual multplication of numbers.
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– mrtaurho
Mar 13 at 17:31
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@Monty Harder: It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10 --- Given that Acheson's book appears to take a heavily historical approach (based on what little I can see via google sample previews), it seems pretty obvious to me that he's doing this so as to be using the notation originally used in the 1700s and 1800s. For example, see p. 109 here and p. 49 here.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Mar 13 at 17:58
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It is a quite common notation, if used, for multiplication, i.e.
$$5.3=5cdot3=5times3=15$$
In your case
$$dy/dx.dx/dt=fracdydxtimesfracdxdt$$
and
$$e^x=1+x+fracx^21.2+fracx^31.2.3+cdots=1+x+fracx^21times2+fracx^31times2times3+cdots$$
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
mrtaurhomrtaurho
6,12771641
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It is a quite common notation, if used, for multiplication, i.e.
$$5.3=5cdot3=5times3=15$$
In your case
$$dy/dx.dx/dt=fracdydxtimesfracdxdt$$
and
$$e^x=1+x+fracx^21.2+fracx^31.2.3+cdots=1+x+fracx^21times2+fracx^31times2times3+cdots$$
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
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answered Mar 13 at 13:41
mrtaurhomrtaurho
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answered Mar 13 at 13:41
mrtaurhomrtaurho
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answered Mar 13 at 13:41
mrtaurhomrtaurho
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I think that’s it, thank you. But does that mean in the second example that “x^3/1.2.3” means “x^3/1x2x3”?
$endgroup$
– Tuffy
Mar 13 at 13:50
25
$begingroup$
Is the low dot actually really "commonly" used for multiplication? Where? I can understand $x.y$, and $5 cdot 3$ is obviously multiplication, but wouldn't $5.3$ get confused with the number $5 + 3/10$ really fast?!
$endgroup$
– ilkkachu
Mar 13 at 17:07
13
$begingroup$
It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10, and you can't overload the same symbol to mean something totally different. (letting dx.dx bedx × dxis tolerable, because dx.dx does not already mean dx + dx/10).
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– Monty Harder
Mar 13 at 17:14
3
$begingroup$
@ilkkachu Especially in the field of algebra, specifically in Linear Algebra and Abstract Algeba, I have encountered this notation quite often denoting multiplication, e.g. an inner product, in various ways. For myself, as German native speaker, I am used to $5colorred,3$ as equivalent to $5+frac310$ from where it cannot be mistaken with $5.3$. I have to admit that I have seen this notation rarely in connection with actual multplication of numbers.
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– mrtaurho
Mar 13 at 17:31
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@Monty Harder: It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10 --- Given that Acheson's book appears to take a heavily historical approach (based on what little I can see via google sample previews), it seems pretty obvious to me that he's doing this so as to be using the notation originally used in the 1700s and 1800s. For example, see p. 109 here and p. 49 here.
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I think that’s it, thank you. But does that mean in the second example that “x^3/1.2.3” means “x^3/1x2x3”?
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– Tuffy
Mar 13 at 13:50
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Is the low dot actually really "commonly" used for multiplication? Where? I can understand $x.y$, and $5 cdot 3$ is obviously multiplication, but wouldn't $5.3$ get confused with the number $5 + 3/10$ really fast?!
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– ilkkachu
Mar 13 at 17:07
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It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10, and you can't overload the same symbol to mean something totally different. (letting dx.dx bedx × dxis tolerable, because dx.dx does not already mean dx + dx/10).
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– Monty Harder
Mar 13 at 17:14
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@ilkkachu Especially in the field of algebra, specifically in Linear Algebra and Abstract Algeba, I have encountered this notation quite often denoting multiplication, e.g. an inner product, in various ways. For myself, as German native speaker, I am used to $5colorred,3$ as equivalent to $5+frac310$ from where it cannot be mistaken with $5.3$. I have to admit that I have seen this notation rarely in connection with actual multplication of numbers.
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– mrtaurho
Mar 13 at 17:31
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@Monty Harder: It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10 --- Given that Acheson's book appears to take a heavily historical approach (based on what little I can see via google sample previews), it seems pretty obvious to me that he's doing this so as to be using the notation originally used in the 1700s and 1800s. For example, see p. 109 here and p. 49 here.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Mar 13 at 17:58
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I think that’s it, thank you. But does that mean in the second example that “x^3/1.2.3” means “x^3/1x2x3”?
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– Tuffy
Mar 13 at 13:50
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I think that’s it, thank you. But does that mean in the second example that “x^3/1.2.3” means “x^3/1x2x3”?
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– Tuffy
Mar 13 at 13:50
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25
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Is the low dot actually really "commonly" used for multiplication? Where? I can understand $x.y$, and $5 cdot 3$ is obviously multiplication, but wouldn't $5.3$ get confused with the number $5 + 3/10$ really fast?!
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– ilkkachu
Mar 13 at 17:07
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Is the low dot actually really "commonly" used for multiplication? Where? I can understand $x.y$, and $5 cdot 3$ is obviously multiplication, but wouldn't $5.3$ get confused with the number $5 + 3/10$ really fast?!
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– ilkkachu
Mar 13 at 17:07
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It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10, and you can't overload the same symbol to mean something totally different. (letting dx.dx be
dx × dx is tolerable, because dx.dx does not already mean dx + dx/10).$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
Mar 13 at 17:14
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It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10, and you can't overload the same symbol to mean something totally different. (letting dx.dx be
dx × dx is tolerable, because dx.dx does not already mean dx + dx/10).$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
Mar 13 at 17:14
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@ilkkachu Especially in the field of algebra, specifically in Linear Algebra and Abstract Algeba, I have encountered this notation quite often denoting multiplication, e.g. an inner product, in various ways. For myself, as German native speaker, I am used to $5colorred,3$ as equivalent to $5+frac310$ from where it cannot be mistaken with $5.3$. I have to admit that I have seen this notation rarely in connection with actual multplication of numbers.
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– mrtaurho
Mar 13 at 17:31
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@ilkkachu Especially in the field of algebra, specifically in Linear Algebra and Abstract Algeba, I have encountered this notation quite often denoting multiplication, e.g. an inner product, in various ways. For myself, as German native speaker, I am used to $5colorred,3$ as equivalent to $5+frac310$ from where it cannot be mistaken with $5.3$. I have to admit that I have seen this notation rarely in connection with actual multplication of numbers.
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– mrtaurho
Mar 13 at 17:31
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@Monty Harder: It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10 --- Given that Acheson's book appears to take a heavily historical approach (based on what little I can see via google sample previews), it seems pretty obvious to me that he's doing this so as to be using the notation originally used in the 1700s and 1800s. For example, see p. 109 here and p. 49 here.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Mar 13 at 17:58
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@Monty Harder: It is completely nuts for "5.3" to be the same as 5×3. 5.3 is 5 + 3/10 --- Given that Acheson's book appears to take a heavily historical approach (based on what little I can see via google sample previews), it seems pretty obvious to me that he's doing this so as to be using the notation originally used in the 1700s and 1800s. For example, see p. 109 here and p. 49 here.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Mar 13 at 17:58
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication.
Cf. this Wikipedia article.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication.
Cf. this Wikipedia article.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
J. W. TannerJ. W. Tanner
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5
5
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication.
Cf. this Wikipedia article.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
J. W. TannerJ. W. Tanner
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Sometimes a dot is used for multiplication.
Cf. this Wikipedia article.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
J. W. TannerJ. W. Tanner
4,7571420
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
J. W. TannerJ. W. Tanner
4,7571420
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
J. W. TannerJ. W. Tanner
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J. W. TannerJ. W. Tanner
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As @J.W.Tanner said though we usually write $a$ times $b$ as $$ab$$ or $$a times b$$ the urge of denoting it by $$a cdot b$$ is also common.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
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I'm not sure who "we" is in this answer. Among mathematicians, multiplication of numbers is almost universally denoted by $ab$ or $acdot b$. $times$ is used to denote other kinds of products, like the cross product of vectors.
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:21
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@Wojowu: note that $times$ is "times" in MathJax
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– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 14:38
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@J.W.Tanner I know, I have used that in my comment.
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:45
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@Wojowu I think I'd be a little more precise: multiplication of numerical variables is almost always $ab$ or $acdot b$, with $times$ used for other kinds of products. But for multiplying literal numbers, a lot of people will write, e.g., $3times 5$ because $3cdot5$ looks a lot like $3.5$ (and, obviously, $35$ is thirty-five, not fifteen).
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– David Richerby
Mar 13 at 16:15
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@DavidRicherby I admit I have meant numerical variables there; of course concatenation would be a terrible choice of a notation. I would still think that, for concrete numbers, $3cdot 5$ would be more common than $3times 5$ (though I admit I'm having hard time finding evidence for that - most math papers nowadays don't multiply numbers!)
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 16:22
add a comment |
0
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As @J.W.Tanner said though we usually write $a$ times $b$ as $$ab$$ or $$a times b$$ the urge of denoting it by $$a cdot b$$ is also common.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
MATHS MODMATHS MOD
18511
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
I'm not sure who "we" is in this answer. Among mathematicians, multiplication of numbers is almost universally denoted by $ab$ or $acdot b$. $times$ is used to denote other kinds of products, like the cross product of vectors.
$endgroup$
– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:21
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@Wojowu: note that $times$ is "times" in MathJax
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– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 14:38
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@J.W.Tanner I know, I have used that in my comment.
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:45
1
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@Wojowu I think I'd be a little more precise: multiplication of numerical variables is almost always $ab$ or $acdot b$, with $times$ used for other kinds of products. But for multiplying literal numbers, a lot of people will write, e.g., $3times 5$ because $3cdot5$ looks a lot like $3.5$ (and, obviously, $35$ is thirty-five, not fifteen).
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– David Richerby
Mar 13 at 16:15
3
$begingroup$
@DavidRicherby I admit I have meant numerical variables there; of course concatenation would be a terrible choice of a notation. I would still think that, for concrete numbers, $3cdot 5$ would be more common than $3times 5$ (though I admit I'm having hard time finding evidence for that - most math papers nowadays don't multiply numbers!)
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 16:22
add a comment |
0
0
0
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As @J.W.Tanner said though we usually write $a$ times $b$ as $$ab$$ or $$a times b$$ the urge of denoting it by $$a cdot b$$ is also common.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
MATHS MODMATHS MOD
18511
$endgroup$
As @J.W.Tanner said though we usually write $a$ times $b$ as $$ab$$ or $$a times b$$ the urge of denoting it by $$a cdot b$$ is also common.
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
MATHS MODMATHS MOD
18511
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
MATHS MODMATHS MOD
18511
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
MATHS MODMATHS MOD
18511
answered Mar 13 at 13:41
MATHS MODMATHS MOD
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I'm not sure who "we" is in this answer. Among mathematicians, multiplication of numbers is almost universally denoted by $ab$ or $acdot b$. $times$ is used to denote other kinds of products, like the cross product of vectors.
$endgroup$
– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:21
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@Wojowu: note that $times$ is "times" in MathJax
$endgroup$
– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 14:38
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@J.W.Tanner I know, I have used that in my comment.
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:45
1
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@Wojowu I think I'd be a little more precise: multiplication of numerical variables is almost always $ab$ or $acdot b$, with $times$ used for other kinds of products. But for multiplying literal numbers, a lot of people will write, e.g., $3times 5$ because $3cdot5$ looks a lot like $3.5$ (and, obviously, $35$ is thirty-five, not fifteen).
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– David Richerby
Mar 13 at 16:15
3
$begingroup$
@DavidRicherby I admit I have meant numerical variables there; of course concatenation would be a terrible choice of a notation. I would still think that, for concrete numbers, $3cdot 5$ would be more common than $3times 5$ (though I admit I'm having hard time finding evidence for that - most math papers nowadays don't multiply numbers!)
$endgroup$
– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 16:22
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
I'm not sure who "we" is in this answer. Among mathematicians, multiplication of numbers is almost universally denoted by $ab$ or $acdot b$. $times$ is used to denote other kinds of products, like the cross product of vectors.
$endgroup$
– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:21
$begingroup$
@Wojowu: note that $times$ is "times" in MathJax
$endgroup$
– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 14:38
$begingroup$
@J.W.Tanner I know, I have used that in my comment.
$endgroup$
– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:45
1
$begingroup$
@Wojowu I think I'd be a little more precise: multiplication of numerical variables is almost always $ab$ or $acdot b$, with $times$ used for other kinds of products. But for multiplying literal numbers, a lot of people will write, e.g., $3times 5$ because $3cdot5$ looks a lot like $3.5$ (and, obviously, $35$ is thirty-five, not fifteen).
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Mar 13 at 16:15
3
$begingroup$
@DavidRicherby I admit I have meant numerical variables there; of course concatenation would be a terrible choice of a notation. I would still think that, for concrete numbers, $3cdot 5$ would be more common than $3times 5$ (though I admit I'm having hard time finding evidence for that - most math papers nowadays don't multiply numbers!)
$endgroup$
– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 16:22
1
1
$begingroup$
I'm not sure who "we" is in this answer. Among mathematicians, multiplication of numbers is almost universally denoted by $ab$ or $acdot b$. $times$ is used to denote other kinds of products, like the cross product of vectors.
$endgroup$
– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:21
$begingroup$
I'm not sure who "we" is in this answer. Among mathematicians, multiplication of numbers is almost universally denoted by $ab$ or $acdot b$. $times$ is used to denote other kinds of products, like the cross product of vectors.
$endgroup$
– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:21
$begingroup$
@Wojowu: note that $times$ is "times" in MathJax
$endgroup$
– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 14:38
$begingroup$
@Wojowu: note that $times$ is "times" in MathJax
$endgroup$
– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 14:38
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@J.W.Tanner I know, I have used that in my comment.
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:45
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@J.W.Tanner I know, I have used that in my comment.
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 14:45
1
1
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@Wojowu I think I'd be a little more precise: multiplication of numerical variables is almost always $ab$ or $acdot b$, with $times$ used for other kinds of products. But for multiplying literal numbers, a lot of people will write, e.g., $3times 5$ because $3cdot5$ looks a lot like $3.5$ (and, obviously, $35$ is thirty-five, not fifteen).
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Mar 13 at 16:15
$begingroup$
@Wojowu I think I'd be a little more precise: multiplication of numerical variables is almost always $ab$ or $acdot b$, with $times$ used for other kinds of products. But for multiplying literal numbers, a lot of people will write, e.g., $3times 5$ because $3cdot5$ looks a lot like $3.5$ (and, obviously, $35$ is thirty-five, not fifteen).
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
Mar 13 at 16:15
3
3
$begingroup$
@DavidRicherby I admit I have meant numerical variables there; of course concatenation would be a terrible choice of a notation. I would still think that, for concrete numbers, $3cdot 5$ would be more common than $3times 5$ (though I admit I'm having hard time finding evidence for that - most math papers nowadays don't multiply numbers!)
$endgroup$
– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 16:22
$begingroup$
@DavidRicherby I admit I have meant numerical variables there; of course concatenation would be a terrible choice of a notation. I would still think that, for concrete numbers, $3cdot 5$ would be more common than $3times 5$ (though I admit I'm having hard time finding evidence for that - most math papers nowadays don't multiply numbers!)
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– Wojowu
Mar 13 at 16:22
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– J. W. Tanner
Mar 13 at 13:37
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Such a use of a dot when used for multiplication however usually occurs centered vertically as such: $acdot b$ typed as
a cdot bas opposed to lower like a decimal point as such: $a.b$.$endgroup$
– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:39
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If you just type acdot b without initiating mathmode, it doesn't do anything special of course... you need to initiate mathmode first using dollar signs like
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Mar 13 at 13:45
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One final comment from me before leaving this thread, I would personally avoid using the lower dots to mean multiplication and would only use center dots as it is more common on an international site to interpret $5.3$ as the number $5 + frac310$ rather than the number $15$. Yes, some countries use commas rather than periods to denote decimal points so it might not have been ambiguous to them, but it will appear strange and frustrating to those from countries where that isn't the case. It is like how $sin^-1$ means different things based on your location ($csc$ vs $arcsin$).
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– JMoravitz
Mar 13 at 13:50
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In my (almost entirely English-language) experience the lowered dot for multiplication is used in British sources. Acheson is British.
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– Michael Lugo
Mar 13 at 14:11