Question about partial fractions with irreducible quadratic factors
Clash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP
$begingroup$
Given this rational function: $$frac-4x^4-2x^3-26x^2-8x-44(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
The decomposition would look like this: $$fracAx+1 + fracBx+C(x^2+3) + fracDx+E(x^2+3)^2$$
And the final answer would be: $$frac-4x+1 - frac2(x^2+3) - frac2(x^2+3)^2$$
But, if you were to set it up like this: $$fracAx+1 + fracB(x^2+3) + fracC(x^2+3)^2$$
You end up with the same answer:
$$frac-4x+1 - frac2(x^2+3) - frac2(x^2+3)^2$$
I want to know why this is.
I thought that for irreducible quadratic factors, you needed a linear term in the numerator. Is this purely coincidence that it worked with constant terms in the numerator?
partial-fractions
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Given this rational function: $$frac-4x^4-2x^3-26x^2-8x-44(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
The decomposition would look like this: $$fracAx+1 + fracBx+C(x^2+3) + fracDx+E(x^2+3)^2$$
And the final answer would be: $$frac-4x+1 - frac2(x^2+3) - frac2(x^2+3)^2$$
But, if you were to set it up like this: $$fracAx+1 + fracB(x^2+3) + fracC(x^2+3)^2$$
You end up with the same answer:
$$frac-4x+1 - frac2(x^2+3) - frac2(x^2+3)^2$$
I want to know why this is.
I thought that for irreducible quadratic factors, you needed a linear term in the numerator. Is this purely coincidence that it worked with constant terms in the numerator?
partial-fractions
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
...because the x terms cancel, which is just a coincidence, not an identity
$endgroup$
– smci
Mar 14 at 0:18
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Given this rational function: $$frac-4x^4-2x^3-26x^2-8x-44(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
The decomposition would look like this: $$fracAx+1 + fracBx+C(x^2+3) + fracDx+E(x^2+3)^2$$
And the final answer would be: $$frac-4x+1 - frac2(x^2+3) - frac2(x^2+3)^2$$
But, if you were to set it up like this: $$fracAx+1 + fracB(x^2+3) + fracC(x^2+3)^2$$
You end up with the same answer:
$$frac-4x+1 - frac2(x^2+3) - frac2(x^2+3)^2$$
I want to know why this is.
I thought that for irreducible quadratic factors, you needed a linear term in the numerator. Is this purely coincidence that it worked with constant terms in the numerator?
partial-fractions
$endgroup$
Given this rational function: $$frac-4x^4-2x^3-26x^2-8x-44(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
The decomposition would look like this: $$fracAx+1 + fracBx+C(x^2+3) + fracDx+E(x^2+3)^2$$
And the final answer would be: $$frac-4x+1 - frac2(x^2+3) - frac2(x^2+3)^2$$
But, if you were to set it up like this: $$fracAx+1 + fracB(x^2+3) + fracC(x^2+3)^2$$
You end up with the same answer:
$$frac-4x+1 - frac2(x^2+3) - frac2(x^2+3)^2$$
I want to know why this is.
I thought that for irreducible quadratic factors, you needed a linear term in the numerator. Is this purely coincidence that it worked with constant terms in the numerator?
partial-fractions
partial-fractions
asked Mar 13 at 8:21
user1091990user1091990
984
984
1
$begingroup$
...because the x terms cancel, which is just a coincidence, not an identity
$endgroup$
– smci
Mar 14 at 0:18
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
...because the x terms cancel, which is just a coincidence, not an identity
$endgroup$
– smci
Mar 14 at 0:18
1
1
$begingroup$
...because the x terms cancel, which is just a coincidence, not an identity
$endgroup$
– smci
Mar 14 at 0:18
$begingroup$
...because the x terms cancel, which is just a coincidence, not an identity
$endgroup$
– smci
Mar 14 at 0:18
add a comment |
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
The five functions
$$f_1(x)=frac1x+1,; f_2(x)=fracxx^2+3, ; f_3(x)=frac1x^2+3,; f_4(x)=fracx(x^2+3)^2, ; f_5(x)=frac1(x^2+3)^2.$$
is a basis which linearly generates all rational functions of the form
$$fracP(x)(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
where $P$ is ANY polynomial of degree $leq 4$.
In your case, we simply have that in the vector representation of the given function the coordinates related to $f_2$ and $f_4$ are zero. So, yes, this is a purely coincidence.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
That's a neat and succinct answer, and 'bigger picture' than mine. I like it. It get's my up vote.
$endgroup$
– Martin Hansen
Mar 13 at 8:50
1
$begingroup$
@MartinHansen Thank you for your nice comment.
$endgroup$
– Robert Z
Mar 13 at 9:00
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I agree with the other answers that in some sense it is a coincidence, but I wouldn't say that it is just a coincidence. If this came from a textbook, then the author of the textbook started with the answer, which happens to have constant terms. If the book in question is a calculus textbook and the intention of the problem is to integrate the original function by doing a partial fraction decomposition, then the problem was probably rigged in advance so that neither the algebra nor the subsequent integration are too onerous for a homework problem. These considerations bias the problems, so that solutions with constant numerators appear in textbooks more often than they would otherwise be expected to. If thought of as a problem in reverse-engineering a textbook (or exam) problem, a reasonable heuristic might be to first see if there is a solution with constant terms, and only if and when that heuristic fails, search for a more general solution. A danger of following such a heuristic is that a grader might nevertheless penalize you since most students who use that heuristic don't understand that it is just a heuristic.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I would consider this a coincidence.
$$frac-4x^4-2x^3-26x^2-8x-4mathbf5(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2,$$
for example, requires the linear term.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In the first expansion B = D = 0, but with a different but similar question that would not necessarily happen.
I can provide an example easily by starting with values for A = B = C = D = E = 1, working backwards to a new question that will not have the coincidental property that your one has.
Here is the new question:
$$frac2x^4+2x^3+11x^2+8x+44(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
The decomposition will, as before, look like this:
$$fracAx+1 + fracBx+C(x^2+3) + fracDx+E(x^2+3)^2$$
and with the values substituted in,
$$frac1x+1 + fracx+1(x^2+3) + fracx+1(x^2+3)^2$$
Robert Z has added a neat answer that goes further and looks at the underlying theory.
Incidentally, the free online Wolfram Alpha is really handy for playing around with these sort of expressions and it'll let you check your answers from partial fraction questions.
Link https://www.wolframalpha.com/
$endgroup$
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function ()
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function ()
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix)
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
);
);
, "mathjax-editing");
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3146263%2fquestion-about-partial-fractions-with-irreducible-quadratic-factors%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
The five functions
$$f_1(x)=frac1x+1,; f_2(x)=fracxx^2+3, ; f_3(x)=frac1x^2+3,; f_4(x)=fracx(x^2+3)^2, ; f_5(x)=frac1(x^2+3)^2.$$
is a basis which linearly generates all rational functions of the form
$$fracP(x)(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
where $P$ is ANY polynomial of degree $leq 4$.
In your case, we simply have that in the vector representation of the given function the coordinates related to $f_2$ and $f_4$ are zero. So, yes, this is a purely coincidence.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
That's a neat and succinct answer, and 'bigger picture' than mine. I like it. It get's my up vote.
$endgroup$
– Martin Hansen
Mar 13 at 8:50
1
$begingroup$
@MartinHansen Thank you for your nice comment.
$endgroup$
– Robert Z
Mar 13 at 9:00
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The five functions
$$f_1(x)=frac1x+1,; f_2(x)=fracxx^2+3, ; f_3(x)=frac1x^2+3,; f_4(x)=fracx(x^2+3)^2, ; f_5(x)=frac1(x^2+3)^2.$$
is a basis which linearly generates all rational functions of the form
$$fracP(x)(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
where $P$ is ANY polynomial of degree $leq 4$.
In your case, we simply have that in the vector representation of the given function the coordinates related to $f_2$ and $f_4$ are zero. So, yes, this is a purely coincidence.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
That's a neat and succinct answer, and 'bigger picture' than mine. I like it. It get's my up vote.
$endgroup$
– Martin Hansen
Mar 13 at 8:50
1
$begingroup$
@MartinHansen Thank you for your nice comment.
$endgroup$
– Robert Z
Mar 13 at 9:00
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The five functions
$$f_1(x)=frac1x+1,; f_2(x)=fracxx^2+3, ; f_3(x)=frac1x^2+3,; f_4(x)=fracx(x^2+3)^2, ; f_5(x)=frac1(x^2+3)^2.$$
is a basis which linearly generates all rational functions of the form
$$fracP(x)(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
where $P$ is ANY polynomial of degree $leq 4$.
In your case, we simply have that in the vector representation of the given function the coordinates related to $f_2$ and $f_4$ are zero. So, yes, this is a purely coincidence.
$endgroup$
The five functions
$$f_1(x)=frac1x+1,; f_2(x)=fracxx^2+3, ; f_3(x)=frac1x^2+3,; f_4(x)=fracx(x^2+3)^2, ; f_5(x)=frac1(x^2+3)^2.$$
is a basis which linearly generates all rational functions of the form
$$fracP(x)(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
where $P$ is ANY polynomial of degree $leq 4$.
In your case, we simply have that in the vector representation of the given function the coordinates related to $f_2$ and $f_4$ are zero. So, yes, this is a purely coincidence.
edited Mar 13 at 8:44
answered Mar 13 at 8:37
Robert ZRobert Z
101k1072145
101k1072145
$begingroup$
That's a neat and succinct answer, and 'bigger picture' than mine. I like it. It get's my up vote.
$endgroup$
– Martin Hansen
Mar 13 at 8:50
1
$begingroup$
@MartinHansen Thank you for your nice comment.
$endgroup$
– Robert Z
Mar 13 at 9:00
add a comment |
$begingroup$
That's a neat and succinct answer, and 'bigger picture' than mine. I like it. It get's my up vote.
$endgroup$
– Martin Hansen
Mar 13 at 8:50
1
$begingroup$
@MartinHansen Thank you for your nice comment.
$endgroup$
– Robert Z
Mar 13 at 9:00
$begingroup$
That's a neat and succinct answer, and 'bigger picture' than mine. I like it. It get's my up vote.
$endgroup$
– Martin Hansen
Mar 13 at 8:50
$begingroup$
That's a neat and succinct answer, and 'bigger picture' than mine. I like it. It get's my up vote.
$endgroup$
– Martin Hansen
Mar 13 at 8:50
1
1
$begingroup$
@MartinHansen Thank you for your nice comment.
$endgroup$
– Robert Z
Mar 13 at 9:00
$begingroup$
@MartinHansen Thank you for your nice comment.
$endgroup$
– Robert Z
Mar 13 at 9:00
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I agree with the other answers that in some sense it is a coincidence, but I wouldn't say that it is just a coincidence. If this came from a textbook, then the author of the textbook started with the answer, which happens to have constant terms. If the book in question is a calculus textbook and the intention of the problem is to integrate the original function by doing a partial fraction decomposition, then the problem was probably rigged in advance so that neither the algebra nor the subsequent integration are too onerous for a homework problem. These considerations bias the problems, so that solutions with constant numerators appear in textbooks more often than they would otherwise be expected to. If thought of as a problem in reverse-engineering a textbook (or exam) problem, a reasonable heuristic might be to first see if there is a solution with constant terms, and only if and when that heuristic fails, search for a more general solution. A danger of following such a heuristic is that a grader might nevertheless penalize you since most students who use that heuristic don't understand that it is just a heuristic.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I agree with the other answers that in some sense it is a coincidence, but I wouldn't say that it is just a coincidence. If this came from a textbook, then the author of the textbook started with the answer, which happens to have constant terms. If the book in question is a calculus textbook and the intention of the problem is to integrate the original function by doing a partial fraction decomposition, then the problem was probably rigged in advance so that neither the algebra nor the subsequent integration are too onerous for a homework problem. These considerations bias the problems, so that solutions with constant numerators appear in textbooks more often than they would otherwise be expected to. If thought of as a problem in reverse-engineering a textbook (or exam) problem, a reasonable heuristic might be to first see if there is a solution with constant terms, and only if and when that heuristic fails, search for a more general solution. A danger of following such a heuristic is that a grader might nevertheless penalize you since most students who use that heuristic don't understand that it is just a heuristic.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I agree with the other answers that in some sense it is a coincidence, but I wouldn't say that it is just a coincidence. If this came from a textbook, then the author of the textbook started with the answer, which happens to have constant terms. If the book in question is a calculus textbook and the intention of the problem is to integrate the original function by doing a partial fraction decomposition, then the problem was probably rigged in advance so that neither the algebra nor the subsequent integration are too onerous for a homework problem. These considerations bias the problems, so that solutions with constant numerators appear in textbooks more often than they would otherwise be expected to. If thought of as a problem in reverse-engineering a textbook (or exam) problem, a reasonable heuristic might be to first see if there is a solution with constant terms, and only if and when that heuristic fails, search for a more general solution. A danger of following such a heuristic is that a grader might nevertheless penalize you since most students who use that heuristic don't understand that it is just a heuristic.
$endgroup$
I agree with the other answers that in some sense it is a coincidence, but I wouldn't say that it is just a coincidence. If this came from a textbook, then the author of the textbook started with the answer, which happens to have constant terms. If the book in question is a calculus textbook and the intention of the problem is to integrate the original function by doing a partial fraction decomposition, then the problem was probably rigged in advance so that neither the algebra nor the subsequent integration are too onerous for a homework problem. These considerations bias the problems, so that solutions with constant numerators appear in textbooks more often than they would otherwise be expected to. If thought of as a problem in reverse-engineering a textbook (or exam) problem, a reasonable heuristic might be to first see if there is a solution with constant terms, and only if and when that heuristic fails, search for a more general solution. A danger of following such a heuristic is that a grader might nevertheless penalize you since most students who use that heuristic don't understand that it is just a heuristic.
answered Mar 13 at 11:54
John ColemanJohn Coleman
4,00311224
4,00311224
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I would consider this a coincidence.
$$frac-4x^4-2x^3-26x^2-8x-4mathbf5(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2,$$
for example, requires the linear term.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I would consider this a coincidence.
$$frac-4x^4-2x^3-26x^2-8x-4mathbf5(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2,$$
for example, requires the linear term.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I would consider this a coincidence.
$$frac-4x^4-2x^3-26x^2-8x-4mathbf5(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2,$$
for example, requires the linear term.
$endgroup$
I would consider this a coincidence.
$$frac-4x^4-2x^3-26x^2-8x-4mathbf5(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2,$$
for example, requires the linear term.
answered Mar 13 at 8:30
JP McCarthyJP McCarthy
5,73412442
5,73412442
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In the first expansion B = D = 0, but with a different but similar question that would not necessarily happen.
I can provide an example easily by starting with values for A = B = C = D = E = 1, working backwards to a new question that will not have the coincidental property that your one has.
Here is the new question:
$$frac2x^4+2x^3+11x^2+8x+44(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
The decomposition will, as before, look like this:
$$fracAx+1 + fracBx+C(x^2+3) + fracDx+E(x^2+3)^2$$
and with the values substituted in,
$$frac1x+1 + fracx+1(x^2+3) + fracx+1(x^2+3)^2$$
Robert Z has added a neat answer that goes further and looks at the underlying theory.
Incidentally, the free online Wolfram Alpha is really handy for playing around with these sort of expressions and it'll let you check your answers from partial fraction questions.
Link https://www.wolframalpha.com/
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In the first expansion B = D = 0, but with a different but similar question that would not necessarily happen.
I can provide an example easily by starting with values for A = B = C = D = E = 1, working backwards to a new question that will not have the coincidental property that your one has.
Here is the new question:
$$frac2x^4+2x^3+11x^2+8x+44(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
The decomposition will, as before, look like this:
$$fracAx+1 + fracBx+C(x^2+3) + fracDx+E(x^2+3)^2$$
and with the values substituted in,
$$frac1x+1 + fracx+1(x^2+3) + fracx+1(x^2+3)^2$$
Robert Z has added a neat answer that goes further and looks at the underlying theory.
Incidentally, the free online Wolfram Alpha is really handy for playing around with these sort of expressions and it'll let you check your answers from partial fraction questions.
Link https://www.wolframalpha.com/
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In the first expansion B = D = 0, but with a different but similar question that would not necessarily happen.
I can provide an example easily by starting with values for A = B = C = D = E = 1, working backwards to a new question that will not have the coincidental property that your one has.
Here is the new question:
$$frac2x^4+2x^3+11x^2+8x+44(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
The decomposition will, as before, look like this:
$$fracAx+1 + fracBx+C(x^2+3) + fracDx+E(x^2+3)^2$$
and with the values substituted in,
$$frac1x+1 + fracx+1(x^2+3) + fracx+1(x^2+3)^2$$
Robert Z has added a neat answer that goes further and looks at the underlying theory.
Incidentally, the free online Wolfram Alpha is really handy for playing around with these sort of expressions and it'll let you check your answers from partial fraction questions.
Link https://www.wolframalpha.com/
$endgroup$
In the first expansion B = D = 0, but with a different but similar question that would not necessarily happen.
I can provide an example easily by starting with values for A = B = C = D = E = 1, working backwards to a new question that will not have the coincidental property that your one has.
Here is the new question:
$$frac2x^4+2x^3+11x^2+8x+44(x+1)(x^2 +3)^2$$
The decomposition will, as before, look like this:
$$fracAx+1 + fracBx+C(x^2+3) + fracDx+E(x^2+3)^2$$
and with the values substituted in,
$$frac1x+1 + fracx+1(x^2+3) + fracx+1(x^2+3)^2$$
Robert Z has added a neat answer that goes further and looks at the underlying theory.
Incidentally, the free online Wolfram Alpha is really handy for playing around with these sort of expressions and it'll let you check your answers from partial fraction questions.
Link https://www.wolframalpha.com/
edited Mar 13 at 8:53
answered Mar 13 at 8:37
Martin HansenMartin Hansen
822115
822115
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3146263%2fquestion-about-partial-fractions-with-irreducible-quadratic-factors%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
1
$begingroup$
...because the x terms cancel, which is just a coincidence, not an identity
$endgroup$
– smci
Mar 14 at 0:18