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Can an American birth certificate be redeemed for money? Why is it printed on bond paper?
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Can an American birth certificate be redeemed for money? Why is it printed on bond paper?
united-states bonds government-bonds
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closed as off-topic by Pete B., ChrisInEdmonton, user102008, JoeTaxpayer♦ Feb 12 at 2:20
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To partially answer your second question: skeptoid.com/blog/2017/01/06/birth-certificate-bond
– trashpanda
Feb 11 at 10:13
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this has nothing to do with personal finance.
– Pete B.
Feb 11 at 11:43
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@trashpanda Oh my god. There seem to be such… lightly brained people in all countries. It's more or less the same kind of guys which claim that Germany is a LLC and we Germans are their personnel. Such nonsense hurts. (But, nevertheless, is interesting to read.)
– glglgl
Feb 11 at 14:13
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I'm voting to close this question for value (No levy due). The fringe on this flag invalidates the feudal jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court, which is disclaimed.
– Robert Columbia
Feb 11 at 16:14
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I had not heard this theory, and when I read the title, I thought the question was going to be about selling a birth certificate to an identity theft ring.
– shoover
Feb 11 at 16:41
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Can an American birth certificate be redeemed for money? Why is it printed on bond paper?
united-states bonds government-bonds
edited Feb 11 at 13:09
Ben Miller
79.6k19218286
asked Feb 11 at 9:45
Anthony33Anthony33
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Can an American birth certificate be redeemed for money? Why is it printed on bond paper?
united-states bonds government-bonds
united-states bonds government-bonds
edited Feb 11 at 13:09
Ben Miller
79.6k19218286
asked Feb 11 at 9:45
Anthony33Anthony33
6413
edited Feb 11 at 13:09
Ben Miller
79.6k19218286
asked Feb 11 at 9:45
Anthony33Anthony33
6413
edited Feb 11 at 13:09
Ben Miller
79.6k19218286
edited Feb 11 at 13:09
Ben Miller
79.6k19218286
edited Feb 11 at 13:09
Ben Miller
79.6k19218286
79.6k19218286
asked Feb 11 at 9:45
Anthony33Anthony33
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asked Feb 11 at 9:45
Anthony33Anthony33
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asked Feb 11 at 9:45
Anthony33Anthony33
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closed as off-topic by Pete B., ChrisInEdmonton, user102008, JoeTaxpayer♦ Feb 12 at 2:20
- This question does not appear to be about Personal Finance within the scope defined in the help center.
closed as off-topic by Pete B., ChrisInEdmonton, user102008, JoeTaxpayer♦ Feb 12 at 2:20
- This question does not appear to be about Personal Finance within the scope defined in the help center.
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To partially answer your second question: skeptoid.com/blog/2017/01/06/birth-certificate-bond
– trashpanda
Feb 11 at 10:13
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this has nothing to do with personal finance.
– Pete B.
Feb 11 at 11:43
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@trashpanda Oh my god. There seem to be such… lightly brained people in all countries. It's more or less the same kind of guys which claim that Germany is a LLC and we Germans are their personnel. Such nonsense hurts. (But, nevertheless, is interesting to read.)
– glglgl
Feb 11 at 14:13
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I'm voting to close this question for value (No levy due). The fringe on this flag invalidates the feudal jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court, which is disclaimed.
– Robert Columbia
Feb 11 at 16:14
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I had not heard this theory, and when I read the title, I thought the question was going to be about selling a birth certificate to an identity theft ring.
– shoover
Feb 11 at 16:41
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To partially answer your second question: skeptoid.com/blog/2017/01/06/birth-certificate-bond
– trashpanda
Feb 11 at 10:13
12
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this has nothing to do with personal finance.
– Pete B.
Feb 11 at 11:43
20
@trashpanda Oh my god. There seem to be such… lightly brained people in all countries. It's more or less the same kind of guys which claim that Germany is a LLC and we Germans are their personnel. Such nonsense hurts. (But, nevertheless, is interesting to read.)
– glglgl
Feb 11 at 14:13
20
I'm voting to close this question for value (No levy due). The fringe on this flag invalidates the feudal jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court, which is disclaimed.
– Robert Columbia
Feb 11 at 16:14
14
I had not heard this theory, and when I read the title, I thought the question was going to be about selling a birth certificate to an identity theft ring.
– shoover
Feb 11 at 16:41
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10
To partially answer your second question: skeptoid.com/blog/2017/01/06/birth-certificate-bond
– trashpanda
Feb 11 at 10:13
To partially answer your second question: skeptoid.com/blog/2017/01/06/birth-certificate-bond
– trashpanda
Feb 11 at 10:13
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this has nothing to do with personal finance.
– Pete B.
Feb 11 at 11:43
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this has nothing to do with personal finance.
– Pete B.
Feb 11 at 11:43
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20
@trashpanda Oh my god. There seem to be such… lightly brained people in all countries. It's more or less the same kind of guys which claim that Germany is a LLC and we Germans are their personnel. Such nonsense hurts. (But, nevertheless, is interesting to read.)
– glglgl
Feb 11 at 14:13
@trashpanda Oh my god. There seem to be such… lightly brained people in all countries. It's more or less the same kind of guys which claim that Germany is a LLC and we Germans are their personnel. Such nonsense hurts. (But, nevertheless, is interesting to read.)
– glglgl
Feb 11 at 14:13
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I'm voting to close this question for value (No levy due). The fringe on this flag invalidates the feudal jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court, which is disclaimed.
– Robert Columbia
Feb 11 at 16:14
I'm voting to close this question for value (No levy due). The fringe on this flag invalidates the feudal jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court, which is disclaimed.
– Robert Columbia
Feb 11 at 16:14
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I had not heard this theory, and when I read the title, I thought the question was going to be about selling a birth certificate to an identity theft ring.
– shoover
Feb 11 at 16:41
I had not heard this theory, and when I read the title, I thought the question was going to be about selling a birth certificate to an identity theft ring.
– shoover
Feb 11 at 16:41
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Why is an American birth certificate on bond paper?
Because it is an important document which needs to survive for a whole human lifetime. So it gets printed on paper which is thicker and of a higher quality than usual photocopier paper. This style of paper is traditionally called "bond paper" because it was often used for bond certificates when physical financial instruments were still a thing. But just because something is printed on bond paper doesn't mean it's a bond. This kind of paper is used for many other purposes. For arts and crafts, application letters, participation certificates, greeting cards, menus in fancy restaurants, business cards, etc. You can buy that stuff on Amazon.
And the reverse isn't true either. There is no regulation which says that physical bond certificates (if they even exist at all - most bonds only exist on electronic ledgers) must be printed on specific paper to be valid.
Can you redeem it for money?
There might be some shady people who might be very interested in assuming a false identity of an US citizen. They might be very intersted in buying a valid birth certificate. But willingly selling your birth certificate and thus your identity to a potential criminal would be a move which would be both illegal and extremely stupid.
answered Feb 11 at 10:36
PhilippPhilipp
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The birth certificate actually doesn't need to survive a whole lifetime, this is a misconception by many people. The actual birth certificate is never provided to the individual, it is filled out by the hospital and sent into the county registrar. They file it, which was historically on microfilm but now electronically, and issue you a certified copy, on bond paper with a seal. A copy is the only version you will ever get, and you can always order another for $20-30. Many people don't realize this so they hang on to their original tattered copy, when you can send away for a new one.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 17:50
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I would strongly object that it was HISTORICALLY on microfilm. Chances are that there were birth certificates BEFORE microfilm was actually invented. Which then goes back to "paper form to survive a lifetime".
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:21
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@TomTom Before the microfilm era, county records were entered into a row in a large book. A certificate was issued based on the information in the book, so fundamentally the system worked the same as our electronic records today.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 18:28
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Except with no proper communication people would more often get paper certificates and those would have to survive quite some time and abuse, i would assume.
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:32
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@TomTom, in the US, standardized civil birth registration and the related certificates started in 1902. Microfilm was invented in the 1850s, and saw widespread use starting in the 1920s. Yes, there was a brief period when civil birth registrations were likely to be done in ledger format, but microfilm is by far the most common pre-electronic method. (Prior to about the mid-1800s, birth records were generally managed by religious authorities, not civil ones, to the extent that anyone cared about them.)
– Mark
Feb 11 at 21:01
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You are referring to a specific conspiracy theory called the "redemption movement" involving the United States government, bankruptcy, and Jewish bankers.
Of course, there is no truth to this theory. (Thanks, @trashpanda, for the link in the comments.) Your birth certificate is not redeemable for money from either the United States government or any international bank, no matter which kind of paper it happens to be printed on.
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Just curious...what part of this makes anyone a racist other than maybe the people that originally formulated the redemption movement? I mean he points out there is no true to it, clearly he isn't a follower.
– Rdster
Feb 11 at 19:01
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If one has pre-existing racist beliefs it becomes easier to buy theories that place blame on the disliked minority. Hence the believers are likely to be enriched in racist people.
– OganM
Feb 11 at 20:10
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I read the linked article, and if I follow the explanation there, the USA has issued bonds with their citizens as guarantee, so as a US individual you'd actually have to pay a million dollar to the "international banker" holding your bond, to get your freedom back. So not only is this total nonsense, it's actually upside down total nonsense.
– gnasher729
Feb 11 at 22:48
Is "the redemption movement" an actual conspiracy theory? Just seems like some of the more outrageous conspiracy theories are themselves hoaxes, invented for entertainment.
– Nat
Feb 11 at 23:03
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Your question establishes that you DO have a birth certificate.
Yes. That US citizenship document can be presented to the right government agency, and with $2350 will "redeem" your citizenship, and voila: you are not a citizen anymore.
Oh, did you expect them to pay you $2350? Not immediately, but just wait. Since you're no longer a citizen, you'll no longer pay taxes on expat income. So you'll get it back many times over.
Congratulations!
answered Feb 11 at 17:30
HarperHarper
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"So you'll get it back many times over." well you might. Afaict if you are living/working in a relatively high-tax location like Europe you may well be able to avoid paying US taxes through the foreign earned income exemption and/or the foreign tax credit.
– Peter Green
Feb 11 at 17:47
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Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate. They are entirely unrelated.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 19:16
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Just wait, in a couple of months a question asking "if this is a scam" will stem from this answer...
– Lux Claridge
Feb 11 at 19:39
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@Harper Not all US citizens were born in the US. Not all people born in the US are still US citizens. Whether you do or do not have a US birth certificate has no bearing whatsoever on whether you can renounce your US citizenship.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 20:09
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@NuclearWang - "Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate." Sorry. Not true. From fr.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/citizenship-services/…, "Please gather all the required documents below...ORIGINAL U.S. Birth Certificate (issued by your State of birth) or ORIGINAL Consular Report of Birth Abroad or ORIGINAL Naturalization Certificate", so for anyone born in the US, a birth certificate is required.
– WhatRoughBeast
Feb 11 at 21:33
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Why is an American birth certificate on bond paper?
Because it is an important document which needs to survive for a whole human lifetime. So it gets printed on paper which is thicker and of a higher quality than usual photocopier paper. This style of paper is traditionally called "bond paper" because it was often used for bond certificates when physical financial instruments were still a thing. But just because something is printed on bond paper doesn't mean it's a bond. This kind of paper is used for many other purposes. For arts and crafts, application letters, participation certificates, greeting cards, menus in fancy restaurants, business cards, etc. You can buy that stuff on Amazon.
And the reverse isn't true either. There is no regulation which says that physical bond certificates (if they even exist at all - most bonds only exist on electronic ledgers) must be printed on specific paper to be valid.
Can you redeem it for money?
There might be some shady people who might be very interested in assuming a false identity of an US citizen. They might be very intersted in buying a valid birth certificate. But willingly selling your birth certificate and thus your identity to a potential criminal would be a move which would be both illegal and extremely stupid.
answered Feb 11 at 10:36
PhilippPhilipp
6,35221524
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The birth certificate actually doesn't need to survive a whole lifetime, this is a misconception by many people. The actual birth certificate is never provided to the individual, it is filled out by the hospital and sent into the county registrar. They file it, which was historically on microfilm but now electronically, and issue you a certified copy, on bond paper with a seal. A copy is the only version you will ever get, and you can always order another for $20-30. Many people don't realize this so they hang on to their original tattered copy, when you can send away for a new one.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 17:50
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I would strongly object that it was HISTORICALLY on microfilm. Chances are that there were birth certificates BEFORE microfilm was actually invented. Which then goes back to "paper form to survive a lifetime".
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:21
6
@TomTom Before the microfilm era, county records were entered into a row in a large book. A certificate was issued based on the information in the book, so fundamentally the system worked the same as our electronic records today.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 18:28
1
Except with no proper communication people would more often get paper certificates and those would have to survive quite some time and abuse, i would assume.
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:32
3
@TomTom, in the US, standardized civil birth registration and the related certificates started in 1902. Microfilm was invented in the 1850s, and saw widespread use starting in the 1920s. Yes, there was a brief period when civil birth registrations were likely to be done in ledger format, but microfilm is by far the most common pre-electronic method. (Prior to about the mid-1800s, birth records were generally managed by religious authorities, not civil ones, to the extent that anyone cared about them.)
– Mark
Feb 11 at 21:01
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Why is an American birth certificate on bond paper?
Because it is an important document which needs to survive for a whole human lifetime. So it gets printed on paper which is thicker and of a higher quality than usual photocopier paper. This style of paper is traditionally called "bond paper" because it was often used for bond certificates when physical financial instruments were still a thing. But just because something is printed on bond paper doesn't mean it's a bond. This kind of paper is used for many other purposes. For arts and crafts, application letters, participation certificates, greeting cards, menus in fancy restaurants, business cards, etc. You can buy that stuff on Amazon.
And the reverse isn't true either. There is no regulation which says that physical bond certificates (if they even exist at all - most bonds only exist on electronic ledgers) must be printed on specific paper to be valid.
Can you redeem it for money?
There might be some shady people who might be very interested in assuming a false identity of an US citizen. They might be very intersted in buying a valid birth certificate. But willingly selling your birth certificate and thus your identity to a potential criminal would be a move which would be both illegal and extremely stupid.
answered Feb 11 at 10:36
PhilippPhilipp
6,35221524
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The birth certificate actually doesn't need to survive a whole lifetime, this is a misconception by many people. The actual birth certificate is never provided to the individual, it is filled out by the hospital and sent into the county registrar. They file it, which was historically on microfilm but now electronically, and issue you a certified copy, on bond paper with a seal. A copy is the only version you will ever get, and you can always order another for $20-30. Many people don't realize this so they hang on to their original tattered copy, when you can send away for a new one.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 17:50
10
I would strongly object that it was HISTORICALLY on microfilm. Chances are that there were birth certificates BEFORE microfilm was actually invented. Which then goes back to "paper form to survive a lifetime".
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:21
6
@TomTom Before the microfilm era, county records were entered into a row in a large book. A certificate was issued based on the information in the book, so fundamentally the system worked the same as our electronic records today.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 18:28
1
Except with no proper communication people would more often get paper certificates and those would have to survive quite some time and abuse, i would assume.
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:32
3
@TomTom, in the US, standardized civil birth registration and the related certificates started in 1902. Microfilm was invented in the 1850s, and saw widespread use starting in the 1920s. Yes, there was a brief period when civil birth registrations were likely to be done in ledger format, but microfilm is by far the most common pre-electronic method. (Prior to about the mid-1800s, birth records were generally managed by religious authorities, not civil ones, to the extent that anyone cared about them.)
– Mark
Feb 11 at 21:01
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Why is an American birth certificate on bond paper?
Because it is an important document which needs to survive for a whole human lifetime. So it gets printed on paper which is thicker and of a higher quality than usual photocopier paper. This style of paper is traditionally called "bond paper" because it was often used for bond certificates when physical financial instruments were still a thing. But just because something is printed on bond paper doesn't mean it's a bond. This kind of paper is used for many other purposes. For arts and crafts, application letters, participation certificates, greeting cards, menus in fancy restaurants, business cards, etc. You can buy that stuff on Amazon.
And the reverse isn't true either. There is no regulation which says that physical bond certificates (if they even exist at all - most bonds only exist on electronic ledgers) must be printed on specific paper to be valid.
Can you redeem it for money?
There might be some shady people who might be very interested in assuming a false identity of an US citizen. They might be very intersted in buying a valid birth certificate. But willingly selling your birth certificate and thus your identity to a potential criminal would be a move which would be both illegal and extremely stupid.
answered Feb 11 at 10:36
PhilippPhilipp
6,35221524
Why is an American birth certificate on bond paper?
Because it is an important document which needs to survive for a whole human lifetime. So it gets printed on paper which is thicker and of a higher quality than usual photocopier paper. This style of paper is traditionally called "bond paper" because it was often used for bond certificates when physical financial instruments were still a thing. But just because something is printed on bond paper doesn't mean it's a bond. This kind of paper is used for many other purposes. For arts and crafts, application letters, participation certificates, greeting cards, menus in fancy restaurants, business cards, etc. You can buy that stuff on Amazon.
And the reverse isn't true either. There is no regulation which says that physical bond certificates (if they even exist at all - most bonds only exist on electronic ledgers) must be printed on specific paper to be valid.
Can you redeem it for money?
There might be some shady people who might be very interested in assuming a false identity of an US citizen. They might be very intersted in buying a valid birth certificate. But willingly selling your birth certificate and thus your identity to a potential criminal would be a move which would be both illegal and extremely stupid.
answered Feb 11 at 10:36
PhilippPhilipp
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edited Feb 11 at 14:45
answered Feb 11 at 10:36
PhilippPhilipp
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answered Feb 11 at 10:36
PhilippPhilipp
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answered Feb 11 at 10:36
PhilippPhilipp
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The birth certificate actually doesn't need to survive a whole lifetime, this is a misconception by many people. The actual birth certificate is never provided to the individual, it is filled out by the hospital and sent into the county registrar. They file it, which was historically on microfilm but now electronically, and issue you a certified copy, on bond paper with a seal. A copy is the only version you will ever get, and you can always order another for $20-30. Many people don't realize this so they hang on to their original tattered copy, when you can send away for a new one.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 17:50
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I would strongly object that it was HISTORICALLY on microfilm. Chances are that there were birth certificates BEFORE microfilm was actually invented. Which then goes back to "paper form to survive a lifetime".
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:21
6
@TomTom Before the microfilm era, county records were entered into a row in a large book. A certificate was issued based on the information in the book, so fundamentally the system worked the same as our electronic records today.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 18:28
1
Except with no proper communication people would more often get paper certificates and those would have to survive quite some time and abuse, i would assume.
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:32
3
@TomTom, in the US, standardized civil birth registration and the related certificates started in 1902. Microfilm was invented in the 1850s, and saw widespread use starting in the 1920s. Yes, there was a brief period when civil birth registrations were likely to be done in ledger format, but microfilm is by far the most common pre-electronic method. (Prior to about the mid-1800s, birth records were generally managed by religious authorities, not civil ones, to the extent that anyone cared about them.)
– Mark
Feb 11 at 21:01
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The birth certificate actually doesn't need to survive a whole lifetime, this is a misconception by many people. The actual birth certificate is never provided to the individual, it is filled out by the hospital and sent into the county registrar. They file it, which was historically on microfilm but now electronically, and issue you a certified copy, on bond paper with a seal. A copy is the only version you will ever get, and you can always order another for $20-30. Many people don't realize this so they hang on to their original tattered copy, when you can send away for a new one.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 17:50
10
I would strongly object that it was HISTORICALLY on microfilm. Chances are that there were birth certificates BEFORE microfilm was actually invented. Which then goes back to "paper form to survive a lifetime".
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:21
6
@TomTom Before the microfilm era, county records were entered into a row in a large book. A certificate was issued based on the information in the book, so fundamentally the system worked the same as our electronic records today.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 18:28
1
Except with no proper communication people would more often get paper certificates and those would have to survive quite some time and abuse, i would assume.
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:32
3
@TomTom, in the US, standardized civil birth registration and the related certificates started in 1902. Microfilm was invented in the 1850s, and saw widespread use starting in the 1920s. Yes, there was a brief period when civil birth registrations were likely to be done in ledger format, but microfilm is by far the most common pre-electronic method. (Prior to about the mid-1800s, birth records were generally managed by religious authorities, not civil ones, to the extent that anyone cared about them.)
– Mark
Feb 11 at 21:01
14
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The birth certificate actually doesn't need to survive a whole lifetime, this is a misconception by many people. The actual birth certificate is never provided to the individual, it is filled out by the hospital and sent into the county registrar. They file it, which was historically on microfilm but now electronically, and issue you a certified copy, on bond paper with a seal. A copy is the only version you will ever get, and you can always order another for $20-30. Many people don't realize this so they hang on to their original tattered copy, when you can send away for a new one.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 17:50
The birth certificate actually doesn't need to survive a whole lifetime, this is a misconception by many people. The actual birth certificate is never provided to the individual, it is filled out by the hospital and sent into the county registrar. They file it, which was historically on microfilm but now electronically, and issue you a certified copy, on bond paper with a seal. A copy is the only version you will ever get, and you can always order another for $20-30. Many people don't realize this so they hang on to their original tattered copy, when you can send away for a new one.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 17:50
10
10
I would strongly object that it was HISTORICALLY on microfilm. Chances are that there were birth certificates BEFORE microfilm was actually invented. Which then goes back to "paper form to survive a lifetime".
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:21
I would strongly object that it was HISTORICALLY on microfilm. Chances are that there were birth certificates BEFORE microfilm was actually invented. Which then goes back to "paper form to survive a lifetime".
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:21
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@TomTom Before the microfilm era, county records were entered into a row in a large book. A certificate was issued based on the information in the book, so fundamentally the system worked the same as our electronic records today.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 18:28
@TomTom Before the microfilm era, county records were entered into a row in a large book. A certificate was issued based on the information in the book, so fundamentally the system worked the same as our electronic records today.
– user71659
Feb 11 at 18:28
1
1
Except with no proper communication people would more often get paper certificates and those would have to survive quite some time and abuse, i would assume.
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:32
Except with no proper communication people would more often get paper certificates and those would have to survive quite some time and abuse, i would assume.
– TomTom
Feb 11 at 18:32
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@TomTom, in the US, standardized civil birth registration and the related certificates started in 1902. Microfilm was invented in the 1850s, and saw widespread use starting in the 1920s. Yes, there was a brief period when civil birth registrations were likely to be done in ledger format, but microfilm is by far the most common pre-electronic method. (Prior to about the mid-1800s, birth records were generally managed by religious authorities, not civil ones, to the extent that anyone cared about them.)
– Mark
Feb 11 at 21:01
@TomTom, in the US, standardized civil birth registration and the related certificates started in 1902. Microfilm was invented in the 1850s, and saw widespread use starting in the 1920s. Yes, there was a brief period when civil birth registrations were likely to be done in ledger format, but microfilm is by far the most common pre-electronic method. (Prior to about the mid-1800s, birth records were generally managed by religious authorities, not civil ones, to the extent that anyone cared about them.)
– Mark
Feb 11 at 21:01
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You are referring to a specific conspiracy theory called the "redemption movement" involving the United States government, bankruptcy, and Jewish bankers.
Of course, there is no truth to this theory. (Thanks, @trashpanda, for the link in the comments.) Your birth certificate is not redeemable for money from either the United States government or any international bank, no matter which kind of paper it happens to be printed on.
edited Feb 11 at 19:58
Nathan L
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answered Feb 11 at 15:00
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Just curious...what part of this makes anyone a racist other than maybe the people that originally formulated the redemption movement? I mean he points out there is no true to it, clearly he isn't a follower.
– Rdster
Feb 11 at 19:01
1
If one has pre-existing racist beliefs it becomes easier to buy theories that place blame on the disliked minority. Hence the believers are likely to be enriched in racist people.
– OganM
Feb 11 at 20:10
3
I read the linked article, and if I follow the explanation there, the USA has issued bonds with their citizens as guarantee, so as a US individual you'd actually have to pay a million dollar to the "international banker" holding your bond, to get your freedom back. So not only is this total nonsense, it's actually upside down total nonsense.
– gnasher729
Feb 11 at 22:48
Is "the redemption movement" an actual conspiracy theory? Just seems like some of the more outrageous conspiracy theories are themselves hoaxes, invented for entertainment.
– Nat
Feb 11 at 23:03
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You are referring to a specific conspiracy theory called the "redemption movement" involving the United States government, bankruptcy, and Jewish bankers.
Of course, there is no truth to this theory. (Thanks, @trashpanda, for the link in the comments.) Your birth certificate is not redeemable for money from either the United States government or any international bank, no matter which kind of paper it happens to be printed on.
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Nathan L
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Just curious...what part of this makes anyone a racist other than maybe the people that originally formulated the redemption movement? I mean he points out there is no true to it, clearly he isn't a follower.
– Rdster
Feb 11 at 19:01
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If one has pre-existing racist beliefs it becomes easier to buy theories that place blame on the disliked minority. Hence the believers are likely to be enriched in racist people.
– OganM
Feb 11 at 20:10
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I read the linked article, and if I follow the explanation there, the USA has issued bonds with their citizens as guarantee, so as a US individual you'd actually have to pay a million dollar to the "international banker" holding your bond, to get your freedom back. So not only is this total nonsense, it's actually upside down total nonsense.
– gnasher729
Feb 11 at 22:48
Is "the redemption movement" an actual conspiracy theory? Just seems like some of the more outrageous conspiracy theories are themselves hoaxes, invented for entertainment.
– Nat
Feb 11 at 23:03
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You are referring to a specific conspiracy theory called the "redemption movement" involving the United States government, bankruptcy, and Jewish bankers.
Of course, there is no truth to this theory. (Thanks, @trashpanda, for the link in the comments.) Your birth certificate is not redeemable for money from either the United States government or any international bank, no matter which kind of paper it happens to be printed on.
edited Feb 11 at 19:58
Nathan L
29.9k1575130
answered Feb 11 at 15:00
Ben MillerBen Miller
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You are referring to a specific conspiracy theory called the "redemption movement" involving the United States government, bankruptcy, and Jewish bankers.
Of course, there is no truth to this theory. (Thanks, @trashpanda, for the link in the comments.) Your birth certificate is not redeemable for money from either the United States government or any international bank, no matter which kind of paper it happens to be printed on.
edited Feb 11 at 19:58
Nathan L
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answered Feb 11 at 15:00
Ben MillerBen Miller
79.6k19218286
edited Feb 11 at 19:58
Nathan L
29.9k1575130
edited Feb 11 at 19:58
Nathan L
29.9k1575130
edited Feb 11 at 19:58
Nathan L
29.9k1575130
29.9k1575130
answered Feb 11 at 15:00
Ben MillerBen Miller
79.6k19218286
answered Feb 11 at 15:00
Ben MillerBen Miller
79.6k19218286
answered Feb 11 at 15:00
Ben MillerBen Miller
79.6k19218286
79.6k19218286
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Just curious...what part of this makes anyone a racist other than maybe the people that originally formulated the redemption movement? I mean he points out there is no true to it, clearly he isn't a follower.
– Rdster
Feb 11 at 19:01
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If one has pre-existing racist beliefs it becomes easier to buy theories that place blame on the disliked minority. Hence the believers are likely to be enriched in racist people.
– OganM
Feb 11 at 20:10
3
I read the linked article, and if I follow the explanation there, the USA has issued bonds with their citizens as guarantee, so as a US individual you'd actually have to pay a million dollar to the "international banker" holding your bond, to get your freedom back. So not only is this total nonsense, it's actually upside down total nonsense.
– gnasher729
Feb 11 at 22:48
Is "the redemption movement" an actual conspiracy theory? Just seems like some of the more outrageous conspiracy theories are themselves hoaxes, invented for entertainment.
– Nat
Feb 11 at 23:03
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2
Just curious...what part of this makes anyone a racist other than maybe the people that originally formulated the redemption movement? I mean he points out there is no true to it, clearly he isn't a follower.
– Rdster
Feb 11 at 19:01
1
If one has pre-existing racist beliefs it becomes easier to buy theories that place blame on the disliked minority. Hence the believers are likely to be enriched in racist people.
– OganM
Feb 11 at 20:10
3
I read the linked article, and if I follow the explanation there, the USA has issued bonds with their citizens as guarantee, so as a US individual you'd actually have to pay a million dollar to the "international banker" holding your bond, to get your freedom back. So not only is this total nonsense, it's actually upside down total nonsense.
– gnasher729
Feb 11 at 22:48
Is "the redemption movement" an actual conspiracy theory? Just seems like some of the more outrageous conspiracy theories are themselves hoaxes, invented for entertainment.
– Nat
Feb 11 at 23:03
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2
Just curious...what part of this makes anyone a racist other than maybe the people that originally formulated the redemption movement? I mean he points out there is no true to it, clearly he isn't a follower.
– Rdster
Feb 11 at 19:01
Just curious...what part of this makes anyone a racist other than maybe the people that originally formulated the redemption movement? I mean he points out there is no true to it, clearly he isn't a follower.
– Rdster
Feb 11 at 19:01
1
1
If one has pre-existing racist beliefs it becomes easier to buy theories that place blame on the disliked minority. Hence the believers are likely to be enriched in racist people.
– OganM
Feb 11 at 20:10
If one has pre-existing racist beliefs it becomes easier to buy theories that place blame on the disliked minority. Hence the believers are likely to be enriched in racist people.
– OganM
Feb 11 at 20:10
3
3
I read the linked article, and if I follow the explanation there, the USA has issued bonds with their citizens as guarantee, so as a US individual you'd actually have to pay a million dollar to the "international banker" holding your bond, to get your freedom back. So not only is this total nonsense, it's actually upside down total nonsense.
– gnasher729
Feb 11 at 22:48
I read the linked article, and if I follow the explanation there, the USA has issued bonds with their citizens as guarantee, so as a US individual you'd actually have to pay a million dollar to the "international banker" holding your bond, to get your freedom back. So not only is this total nonsense, it's actually upside down total nonsense.
– gnasher729
Feb 11 at 22:48
Is "the redemption movement" an actual conspiracy theory? Just seems like some of the more outrageous conspiracy theories are themselves hoaxes, invented for entertainment.
– Nat
Feb 11 at 23:03
Is "the redemption movement" an actual conspiracy theory? Just seems like some of the more outrageous conspiracy theories are themselves hoaxes, invented for entertainment.
– Nat
Feb 11 at 23:03
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Your question establishes that you DO have a birth certificate.
Yes. That US citizenship document can be presented to the right government agency, and with $2350 will "redeem" your citizenship, and voila: you are not a citizen anymore.
Oh, did you expect them to pay you $2350? Not immediately, but just wait. Since you're no longer a citizen, you'll no longer pay taxes on expat income. So you'll get it back many times over.
Congratulations!
answered Feb 11 at 17:30
HarperHarper
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"So you'll get it back many times over." well you might. Afaict if you are living/working in a relatively high-tax location like Europe you may well be able to avoid paying US taxes through the foreign earned income exemption and/or the foreign tax credit.
– Peter Green
Feb 11 at 17:47
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Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate. They are entirely unrelated.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 19:16
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Just wait, in a couple of months a question asking "if this is a scam" will stem from this answer...
– Lux Claridge
Feb 11 at 19:39
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@Harper Not all US citizens were born in the US. Not all people born in the US are still US citizens. Whether you do or do not have a US birth certificate has no bearing whatsoever on whether you can renounce your US citizenship.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 20:09
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@NuclearWang - "Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate." Sorry. Not true. From fr.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/citizenship-services/…, "Please gather all the required documents below...ORIGINAL U.S. Birth Certificate (issued by your State of birth) or ORIGINAL Consular Report of Birth Abroad or ORIGINAL Naturalization Certificate", so for anyone born in the US, a birth certificate is required.
– WhatRoughBeast
Feb 11 at 21:33
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Your question establishes that you DO have a birth certificate.
Yes. That US citizenship document can be presented to the right government agency, and with $2350 will "redeem" your citizenship, and voila: you are not a citizen anymore.
Oh, did you expect them to pay you $2350? Not immediately, but just wait. Since you're no longer a citizen, you'll no longer pay taxes on expat income. So you'll get it back many times over.
Congratulations!
answered Feb 11 at 17:30
HarperHarper
23.4k53580
1
"So you'll get it back many times over." well you might. Afaict if you are living/working in a relatively high-tax location like Europe you may well be able to avoid paying US taxes through the foreign earned income exemption and/or the foreign tax credit.
– Peter Green
Feb 11 at 17:47
17
Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate. They are entirely unrelated.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 19:16
1
Just wait, in a couple of months a question asking "if this is a scam" will stem from this answer...
– Lux Claridge
Feb 11 at 19:39
10
@Harper Not all US citizens were born in the US. Not all people born in the US are still US citizens. Whether you do or do not have a US birth certificate has no bearing whatsoever on whether you can renounce your US citizenship.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 20:09
1
@NuclearWang - "Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate." Sorry. Not true. From fr.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/citizenship-services/…, "Please gather all the required documents below...ORIGINAL U.S. Birth Certificate (issued by your State of birth) or ORIGINAL Consular Report of Birth Abroad or ORIGINAL Naturalization Certificate", so for anyone born in the US, a birth certificate is required.
– WhatRoughBeast
Feb 11 at 21:33
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Your question establishes that you DO have a birth certificate.
Yes. That US citizenship document can be presented to the right government agency, and with $2350 will "redeem" your citizenship, and voila: you are not a citizen anymore.
Oh, did you expect them to pay you $2350? Not immediately, but just wait. Since you're no longer a citizen, you'll no longer pay taxes on expat income. So you'll get it back many times over.
Congratulations!
answered Feb 11 at 17:30
HarperHarper
23.4k53580
Your question establishes that you DO have a birth certificate.
Yes. That US citizenship document can be presented to the right government agency, and with $2350 will "redeem" your citizenship, and voila: you are not a citizen anymore.
Oh, did you expect them to pay you $2350? Not immediately, but just wait. Since you're no longer a citizen, you'll no longer pay taxes on expat income. So you'll get it back many times over.
Congratulations!
answered Feb 11 at 17:30
HarperHarper
23.4k53580
edited Feb 11 at 21:49
answered Feb 11 at 17:30
HarperHarper
23.4k53580
answered Feb 11 at 17:30
HarperHarper
23.4k53580
answered Feb 11 at 17:30
HarperHarper
23.4k53580
23.4k53580
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"So you'll get it back many times over." well you might. Afaict if you are living/working in a relatively high-tax location like Europe you may well be able to avoid paying US taxes through the foreign earned income exemption and/or the foreign tax credit.
– Peter Green
Feb 11 at 17:47
17
Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate. They are entirely unrelated.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 19:16
1
Just wait, in a couple of months a question asking "if this is a scam" will stem from this answer...
– Lux Claridge
Feb 11 at 19:39
10
@Harper Not all US citizens were born in the US. Not all people born in the US are still US citizens. Whether you do or do not have a US birth certificate has no bearing whatsoever on whether you can renounce your US citizenship.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 20:09
1
@NuclearWang - "Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate." Sorry. Not true. From fr.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/citizenship-services/…, "Please gather all the required documents below...ORIGINAL U.S. Birth Certificate (issued by your State of birth) or ORIGINAL Consular Report of Birth Abroad or ORIGINAL Naturalization Certificate", so for anyone born in the US, a birth certificate is required.
– WhatRoughBeast
Feb 11 at 21:33
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show 6 more comments
1
"So you'll get it back many times over." well you might. Afaict if you are living/working in a relatively high-tax location like Europe you may well be able to avoid paying US taxes through the foreign earned income exemption and/or the foreign tax credit.
– Peter Green
Feb 11 at 17:47
17
Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate. They are entirely unrelated.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 19:16
1
Just wait, in a couple of months a question asking "if this is a scam" will stem from this answer...
– Lux Claridge
Feb 11 at 19:39
10
@Harper Not all US citizens were born in the US. Not all people born in the US are still US citizens. Whether you do or do not have a US birth certificate has no bearing whatsoever on whether you can renounce your US citizenship.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 20:09
1
@NuclearWang - "Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate." Sorry. Not true. From fr.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/citizenship-services/…, "Please gather all the required documents below...ORIGINAL U.S. Birth Certificate (issued by your State of birth) or ORIGINAL Consular Report of Birth Abroad or ORIGINAL Naturalization Certificate", so for anyone born in the US, a birth certificate is required.
– WhatRoughBeast
Feb 11 at 21:33
1
1
"So you'll get it back many times over." well you might. Afaict if you are living/working in a relatively high-tax location like Europe you may well be able to avoid paying US taxes through the foreign earned income exemption and/or the foreign tax credit.
– Peter Green
Feb 11 at 17:47
"So you'll get it back many times over." well you might. Afaict if you are living/working in a relatively high-tax location like Europe you may well be able to avoid paying US taxes through the foreign earned income exemption and/or the foreign tax credit.
– Peter Green
Feb 11 at 17:47
17
17
Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate. They are entirely unrelated.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 19:16
Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate. They are entirely unrelated.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 19:16
1
1
Just wait, in a couple of months a question asking "if this is a scam" will stem from this answer...
– Lux Claridge
Feb 11 at 19:39
Just wait, in a couple of months a question asking "if this is a scam" will stem from this answer...
– Lux Claridge
Feb 11 at 19:39
10
10
@Harper Not all US citizens were born in the US. Not all people born in the US are still US citizens. Whether you do or do not have a US birth certificate has no bearing whatsoever on whether you can renounce your US citizenship.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 20:09
@Harper Not all US citizens were born in the US. Not all people born in the US are still US citizens. Whether you do or do not have a US birth certificate has no bearing whatsoever on whether you can renounce your US citizenship.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 11 at 20:09
1
1
@NuclearWang - "Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate." Sorry. Not true. From fr.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/citizenship-services/…, "Please gather all the required documents below...ORIGINAL U.S. Birth Certificate (issued by your State of birth) or ORIGINAL Consular Report of Birth Abroad or ORIGINAL Naturalization Certificate", so for anyone born in the US, a birth certificate is required.
– WhatRoughBeast
Feb 11 at 21:33
@NuclearWang - "Renouncing US citizenship does not in any way require a US birth certificate." Sorry. Not true. From fr.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/citizenship-services/…, "Please gather all the required documents below...ORIGINAL U.S. Birth Certificate (issued by your State of birth) or ORIGINAL Consular Report of Birth Abroad or ORIGINAL Naturalization Certificate", so for anyone born in the US, a birth certificate is required.
– WhatRoughBeast
Feb 11 at 21:33
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To partially answer your second question: skeptoid.com/blog/2017/01/06/birth-certificate-bond
– trashpanda
Feb 11 at 10:13
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this has nothing to do with personal finance.
– Pete B.
Feb 11 at 11:43
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@trashpanda Oh my god. There seem to be such… lightly brained people in all countries. It's more or less the same kind of guys which claim that Germany is a LLC and we Germans are their personnel. Such nonsense hurts. (But, nevertheless, is interesting to read.)
– glglgl
Feb 11 at 14:13
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I'm voting to close this question for value (No levy due). The fringe on this flag invalidates the feudal jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court, which is disclaimed.
– Robert Columbia
Feb 11 at 16:14
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I had not heard this theory, and when I read the title, I thought the question was going to be about selling a birth certificate to an identity theft ring.
– shoover
Feb 11 at 16:41