How do spell scrolls interact with warlock invocations?
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When creating a Spell Scroll using the rules from XGtE (p.133), if the spell is a cantrip the scroll is cast as if the caster were first level.
If a Warlock with, say, Agonizing Blast were to scribe a scroll of Eldritch Blast, and have it used by another Warlock with Repelling Blast, would either invocation take effect?
Effectively: Is an invocation a property of the spell when being cast, or of the Warlock casting it?
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When creating a Spell Scroll using the rules from XGtE (p.133), if the spell is a cantrip the scroll is cast as if the caster were first level.
If a Warlock with, say, Agonizing Blast were to scribe a scroll of Eldritch Blast, and have it used by another Warlock with Repelling Blast, would either invocation take effect?
Effectively: Is an invocation a property of the spell when being cast, or of the Warlock casting it?
dnd-5e spells magic-items warlock eldritch-invocations
edited Jan 30 at 14:19
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Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
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– Sdjz
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Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
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– SeriousBri
Jan 30 at 11:35
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@SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
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– Fifth_H0r5eman
Jan 30 at 11:39
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When creating a Spell Scroll using the rules from XGtE (p.133), if the spell is a cantrip the scroll is cast as if the caster were first level.
If a Warlock with, say, Agonizing Blast were to scribe a scroll of Eldritch Blast, and have it used by another Warlock with Repelling Blast, would either invocation take effect?
Effectively: Is an invocation a property of the spell when being cast, or of the Warlock casting it?
dnd-5e spells magic-items warlock eldritch-invocations
edited Jan 30 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
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asked Jan 30 at 11:27
Fifth_H0r5emanFifth_H0r5eman
3591310
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When creating a Spell Scroll using the rules from XGtE (p.133), if the spell is a cantrip the scroll is cast as if the caster were first level.
If a Warlock with, say, Agonizing Blast were to scribe a scroll of Eldritch Blast, and have it used by another Warlock with Repelling Blast, would either invocation take effect?
Effectively: Is an invocation a property of the spell when being cast, or of the Warlock casting it?
dnd-5e spells magic-items warlock eldritch-invocations
dnd-5e spells magic-items warlock eldritch-invocations
edited Jan 30 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
55.7k9273418
asked Jan 30 at 11:27
Fifth_H0r5emanFifth_H0r5eman
3591310
edited Jan 30 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
55.7k9273418
asked Jan 30 at 11:27
Fifth_H0r5emanFifth_H0r5eman
3591310
edited Jan 30 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
55.7k9273418
edited Jan 30 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
55.7k9273418
edited Jan 30 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
55.7k9273418
55.7k9273418
asked Jan 30 at 11:27
Fifth_H0r5emanFifth_H0r5eman
3591310
asked Jan 30 at 11:27
Fifth_H0r5emanFifth_H0r5eman
3591310
asked Jan 30 at 11:27
Fifth_H0r5emanFifth_H0r5eman
3591310
3591310
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Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
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– Sdjz
Jan 30 at 11:33
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Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
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– SeriousBri
Jan 30 at 11:35
1
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@SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
$endgroup$
– Fifth_H0r5eman
Jan 30 at 11:39
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
$endgroup$
– Sdjz
Jan 30 at 11:33
1
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Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
$endgroup$
– SeriousBri
Jan 30 at 11:35
1
$begingroup$
@SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
$endgroup$
– Fifth_H0r5eman
Jan 30 at 11:39
$begingroup$
Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
$endgroup$
– Sdjz
Jan 30 at 11:33
$begingroup$
Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
$endgroup$
– Sdjz
Jan 30 at 11:33
1
1
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Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
$endgroup$
– SeriousBri
Jan 30 at 11:35
$begingroup$
Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
$endgroup$
– SeriousBri
Jan 30 at 11:35
1
1
$begingroup$
@SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
$endgroup$
– Fifth_H0r5eman
Jan 30 at 11:39
$begingroup$
@SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
$endgroup$
– Fifth_H0r5eman
Jan 30 at 11:39
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An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell
In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability.
Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.
Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.
For example agonizing blast says:
When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.
and repelling blast says:
When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.
Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.
If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.
Your example
Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.
Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.
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An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell
In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability.
Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.
Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.
For example agonizing blast says:
When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.
and repelling blast says:
When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.
Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.
If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.
Your example
Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.
Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.
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An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell
In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability.
Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.
Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.
For example agonizing blast says:
When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.
and repelling blast says:
When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.
Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.
If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.
Your example
Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.
Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.
answered Jan 30 at 13:52
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An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell
In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability.
Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.
Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.
For example agonizing blast says:
When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.
and repelling blast says:
When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.
Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.
If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.
Your example
Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.
Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.
answered Jan 30 at 13:52
RubiksmooseRubiksmoose
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An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell
In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability.
Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.
Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.
For example agonizing blast says:
When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.
and repelling blast says:
When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.
Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.
If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.
Your example
Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.
Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.
answered Jan 30 at 13:52
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– Sdjz
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Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
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– SeriousBri
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@SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
$endgroup$
– Fifth_H0r5eman
Jan 30 at 11:39