Single Coil + Noise Gate + Compressor + Boost (+ EQ) = Humbucker?
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The humbucker sound is usually warmer (i.e. cuts more high frequencies), without interference noise (hum), louder and compressed than a single coil. Is it possible to get the same sound with a single coil if it goes through a noise gate (to clear the hum), a compressor and a boost (and maybe EQ)?
My question is not only if there are a bunch of pedals and plugins that would achieve that, but also if in theory that would work (e.g. using DSP to achieve those effects with any needed parameters).
That is not an "opinion" question. I don't want to discuss if you (or an expert listener) can distinguish the two. It is an engineering question: Can the two output signals be made indistinguishable in spectrum and dynamics?
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The humbucker sound is usually warmer (i.e. cuts more high frequencies), without interference noise (hum), louder and compressed than a single coil. Is it possible to get the same sound with a single coil if it goes through a noise gate (to clear the hum), a compressor and a boost (and maybe EQ)?
My question is not only if there are a bunch of pedals and plugins that would achieve that, but also if in theory that would work (e.g. using DSP to achieve those effects with any needed parameters).
That is not an "opinion" question. I don't want to discuss if you (or an expert listener) can distinguish the two. It is an engineering question: Can the two output signals be made indistinguishable in spectrum and dynamics?
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If the goal is a result that's indistinguishable, a noise gate isn't going to cut it (pun not intended) if any significant amount of noise is being picked up - it will still let hum and noise through on the tails of notes, and the opening/closing of the gate will be very audible too.
– topo morto
Jan 30 at 15:25
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The humbucker sound is usually warmer (i.e. cuts more high frequencies), without interference noise (hum), louder and compressed than a single coil. Is it possible to get the same sound with a single coil if it goes through a noise gate (to clear the hum), a compressor and a boost (and maybe EQ)?
My question is not only if there are a bunch of pedals and plugins that would achieve that, but also if in theory that would work (e.g. using DSP to achieve those effects with any needed parameters).
That is not an "opinion" question. I don't want to discuss if you (or an expert listener) can distinguish the two. It is an engineering question: Can the two output signals be made indistinguishable in spectrum and dynamics?
electric-guitar
The humbucker sound is usually warmer (i.e. cuts more high frequencies), without interference noise (hum), louder and compressed than a single coil. Is it possible to get the same sound with a single coil if it goes through a noise gate (to clear the hum), a compressor and a boost (and maybe EQ)?
My question is not only if there are a bunch of pedals and plugins that would achieve that, but also if in theory that would work (e.g. using DSP to achieve those effects with any needed parameters).
That is not an "opinion" question. I don't want to discuss if you (or an expert listener) can distinguish the two. It is an engineering question: Can the two output signals be made indistinguishable in spectrum and dynamics?
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If the goal is a result that's indistinguishable, a noise gate isn't going to cut it (pun not intended) if any significant amount of noise is being picked up - it will still let hum and noise through on the tails of notes, and the opening/closing of the gate will be very audible too.
– topo morto
Jan 30 at 15:25
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If the goal is a result that's indistinguishable, a noise gate isn't going to cut it (pun not intended) if any significant amount of noise is being picked up - it will still let hum and noise through on the tails of notes, and the opening/closing of the gate will be very audible too.
– topo morto
Jan 30 at 15:25
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If the goal is a result that's indistinguishable, a noise gate isn't going to cut it (pun not intended) if any significant amount of noise is being picked up - it will still let hum and noise through on the tails of notes, and the opening/closing of the gate will be very audible too.
– topo morto
Jan 30 at 15:25
If the goal is a result that's indistinguishable, a noise gate isn't going to cut it (pun not intended) if any significant amount of noise is being picked up - it will still let hum and noise through on the tails of notes, and the opening/closing of the gate will be very audible too.
– topo morto
Jan 30 at 15:25
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I've worked on this kind of thing a lot to try to have the most flexible sound without switching guitars all the time. Here's what I found:
First, you can't make them indistinguishable. You can just make them reasonably close for live use.
Second, it's much easier and more effective to play a humbucker guitar and use an EQ pedal or effect to scoop out the low mids and boost the highs to make it sound like a single coil, instead of the other way around.
Third, you could get a humbucker with a coil tap feature so you actually switch from humbucker to single coil on the same guitar. The biggest challenge with these is the noticeable change in output level from the guitar when you switch.
Finally, you could use P-90 style pickups. They are technically single coil but they are so overwound that when you max out the guitar volume they sound thicker like a humbucker, and if you lower the volume a bit, you get a normal single coil sound.
I've been thinking about this lately... I agree that it's possible to emulate a single coil sound by using a humbucker and a well tailored effects chain. You could emulate a P90 just as well. So, the question becomes, why do people still bother with single coils? Why do companies still develop new products with single coils? (Well, the latter could be a consequence of the former, customer demand and so on).
– Kirill G
Jan 31 at 7:46
@KirillG Becuase no matter what you do to a humbucker, it will never sound just like a single coil. My favorite guitar is single coil. If they stopped making single coils, I would wind my own.
– Todd Wilcox
Jan 31 at 9:49
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First off, I recently heard of a pedal that does something like this; it's called the Keyztone Exchanger. The reviewer was pretty enthusiastic.
A few caveats, off the top of my head:
- a humbucker cancels all kinds of external signals that induce a voltage in the pickup; the power mains is the most notorious, but not the only kind of source of noise. Once the noise is in the signal, you cannot just get rid of it using a noise gate - as long as you play, and the noise gate is open, you'll hear the hum and hiss underneath the notes. If you're only interested in the hum from the power grid, you could selectively filter for that frequency and a few of its harmonics, but that might damage your signal as well.
- you'd probably need a very specific EQ. The humbucker acts as a comb filter, canceling a specific set of frequencies that depend on the distance between the rows of polepieces.
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"Single coil" and "Humbucker" aren't standards for frequency spectra. There are enough variables within each technology—everything from the type of magnet to the number of coil windings to the material and thickness of the coil wire—to make a huge amount of variation possible. And that takes none of the other very important variables of tone into consideration: the density of the guitar's wood, the type and thickness of the strings, the position of the pickup along the strings, the electronics inside the guitar, the closeness of the pickup to the strings, the playing technique, and probably lots of other stuff I can't think of off the top of my head.
Depending on the alternating current service in the country where the guitar is plugged in, the hum comes in at 50 Hz or 60 Hz. The lowest fundamental frequency of a guitar is 82.4 Hz (E2), so the brunt of the hum can be easily and safely removed (with a parametric EQ notched at the appropriate frequency) without fear of affecting the tone. (The waveform of alternating current in electric power circuits is almost always a sine wave, so its impact at other frequencies is theoretically nothing and, in practice, dependent on the local conditions.) As you know, that alone wouldn't make a "typical" single coil pickup sound like a "typical" humbucker. (A noise gate is nothing but a volume-triggered on/off switch. In theory, it does nothing whatsoever to change the sound.)
Assuming you could exactly establish the frequency response of a humbucking pickup, and each of those frequencies was sufficiently present in the signal from a single coil pickup, you could probably create an EQ curve which makes the waveforms look alike in a Fourier analysis. But that's just for one note played at one loudness.
As you alluded to, the frequency response changes with the amplitude. So you'd need a compressor to mimic the exact behavior of the humbucking pickup or a sophisticated dynamic EQ.
But even then, it wouldn't be identical. Even if you have the same player, guitar, pick, pickup, strings, amplitude, and note, you wouldn't ever get the exact same thing twice. There are way too many variables at play.
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The hum signal you get with a single coil is seldom just a perfect sine, but actually has quite some harmonics. It's those are more annoying and hard to filter out (it can be done with a comb filter, but that affects the entire guitar spectrum). It can be done quite well indeed with an auto-calibrating FFT gate, but that isn't really usable live because of the high latency.
– leftaroundabout
Jan 30 at 16:40
Good point. Lots of localities have "dirty power" and none have perfect power. Edited. tesengineering.com/electrical-engineering-what-is-dirty-power
– trw
Jan 30 at 16:50
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It is an engineering question: Can the two output signals be made indistinguishable in spectrum and dynamics?
No.
Why?
Well, the single coil always picks up the hum of the electrical grid. Both when you don't play, and when you do. The humbucker always cancels this noise, both when you don't play, and when you do. Consequently, the gate is insufficient to make the two signals indistinguishable. You'd need to filter out the grid's hum even when you are playing.
Also, the single coil picks up every environmental field, not just the 50Hz noise of the grid. Again, the humbucker cancels all these environmental fields out. So, depending on your environment, you have some noise across all the frequencies in the single coil's spectrum that are just not there in the humbucker's spectrum. Consequently, you cannot just filter out all the noise frequencies, you must remove the noise from every band. And some of this noise is not predictable, so you can't filter it out without muting the entire guitar.
Obviously, you can put in some signal processing that fools most humans with the input of a single coil. And maybe you are such a DSP-wizard that you can even achieve a more pleasant sound with the single coil + DSP combo. But it won't be technically indistinguishable from the humbucker's sound.
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I've worked on this kind of thing a lot to try to have the most flexible sound without switching guitars all the time. Here's what I found:
First, you can't make them indistinguishable. You can just make them reasonably close for live use.
Second, it's much easier and more effective to play a humbucker guitar and use an EQ pedal or effect to scoop out the low mids and boost the highs to make it sound like a single coil, instead of the other way around.
Third, you could get a humbucker with a coil tap feature so you actually switch from humbucker to single coil on the same guitar. The biggest challenge with these is the noticeable change in output level from the guitar when you switch.
Finally, you could use P-90 style pickups. They are technically single coil but they are so overwound that when you max out the guitar volume they sound thicker like a humbucker, and if you lower the volume a bit, you get a normal single coil sound.
I've been thinking about this lately... I agree that it's possible to emulate a single coil sound by using a humbucker and a well tailored effects chain. You could emulate a P90 just as well. So, the question becomes, why do people still bother with single coils? Why do companies still develop new products with single coils? (Well, the latter could be a consequence of the former, customer demand and so on).
– Kirill G
Jan 31 at 7:46
@KirillG Becuase no matter what you do to a humbucker, it will never sound just like a single coil. My favorite guitar is single coil. If they stopped making single coils, I would wind my own.
– Todd Wilcox
Jan 31 at 9:49
add a comment |
I've worked on this kind of thing a lot to try to have the most flexible sound without switching guitars all the time. Here's what I found:
First, you can't make them indistinguishable. You can just make them reasonably close for live use.
Second, it's much easier and more effective to play a humbucker guitar and use an EQ pedal or effect to scoop out the low mids and boost the highs to make it sound like a single coil, instead of the other way around.
Third, you could get a humbucker with a coil tap feature so you actually switch from humbucker to single coil on the same guitar. The biggest challenge with these is the noticeable change in output level from the guitar when you switch.
Finally, you could use P-90 style pickups. They are technically single coil but they are so overwound that when you max out the guitar volume they sound thicker like a humbucker, and if you lower the volume a bit, you get a normal single coil sound.
I've been thinking about this lately... I agree that it's possible to emulate a single coil sound by using a humbucker and a well tailored effects chain. You could emulate a P90 just as well. So, the question becomes, why do people still bother with single coils? Why do companies still develop new products with single coils? (Well, the latter could be a consequence of the former, customer demand and so on).
– Kirill G
Jan 31 at 7:46
@KirillG Becuase no matter what you do to a humbucker, it will never sound just like a single coil. My favorite guitar is single coil. If they stopped making single coils, I would wind my own.
– Todd Wilcox
Jan 31 at 9:49
add a comment |
I've worked on this kind of thing a lot to try to have the most flexible sound without switching guitars all the time. Here's what I found:
First, you can't make them indistinguishable. You can just make them reasonably close for live use.
Second, it's much easier and more effective to play a humbucker guitar and use an EQ pedal or effect to scoop out the low mids and boost the highs to make it sound like a single coil, instead of the other way around.
Third, you could get a humbucker with a coil tap feature so you actually switch from humbucker to single coil on the same guitar. The biggest challenge with these is the noticeable change in output level from the guitar when you switch.
Finally, you could use P-90 style pickups. They are technically single coil but they are so overwound that when you max out the guitar volume they sound thicker like a humbucker, and if you lower the volume a bit, you get a normal single coil sound.
I've worked on this kind of thing a lot to try to have the most flexible sound without switching guitars all the time. Here's what I found:
First, you can't make them indistinguishable. You can just make them reasonably close for live use.
Second, it's much easier and more effective to play a humbucker guitar and use an EQ pedal or effect to scoop out the low mids and boost the highs to make it sound like a single coil, instead of the other way around.
Third, you could get a humbucker with a coil tap feature so you actually switch from humbucker to single coil on the same guitar. The biggest challenge with these is the noticeable change in output level from the guitar when you switch.
Finally, you could use P-90 style pickups. They are technically single coil but they are so overwound that when you max out the guitar volume they sound thicker like a humbucker, and if you lower the volume a bit, you get a normal single coil sound.
answered Jan 30 at 18:09
Todd WilcoxTodd Wilcox
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I've been thinking about this lately... I agree that it's possible to emulate a single coil sound by using a humbucker and a well tailored effects chain. You could emulate a P90 just as well. So, the question becomes, why do people still bother with single coils? Why do companies still develop new products with single coils? (Well, the latter could be a consequence of the former, customer demand and so on).
– Kirill G
Jan 31 at 7:46
@KirillG Becuase no matter what you do to a humbucker, it will never sound just like a single coil. My favorite guitar is single coil. If they stopped making single coils, I would wind my own.
– Todd Wilcox
Jan 31 at 9:49
add a comment |
I've been thinking about this lately... I agree that it's possible to emulate a single coil sound by using a humbucker and a well tailored effects chain. You could emulate a P90 just as well. So, the question becomes, why do people still bother with single coils? Why do companies still develop new products with single coils? (Well, the latter could be a consequence of the former, customer demand and so on).
– Kirill G
Jan 31 at 7:46
@KirillG Becuase no matter what you do to a humbucker, it will never sound just like a single coil. My favorite guitar is single coil. If they stopped making single coils, I would wind my own.
– Todd Wilcox
Jan 31 at 9:49
I've been thinking about this lately... I agree that it's possible to emulate a single coil sound by using a humbucker and a well tailored effects chain. You could emulate a P90 just as well. So, the question becomes, why do people still bother with single coils? Why do companies still develop new products with single coils? (Well, the latter could be a consequence of the former, customer demand and so on).
– Kirill G
Jan 31 at 7:46
I've been thinking about this lately... I agree that it's possible to emulate a single coil sound by using a humbucker and a well tailored effects chain. You could emulate a P90 just as well. So, the question becomes, why do people still bother with single coils? Why do companies still develop new products with single coils? (Well, the latter could be a consequence of the former, customer demand and so on).
– Kirill G
Jan 31 at 7:46
@KirillG Becuase no matter what you do to a humbucker, it will never sound just like a single coil. My favorite guitar is single coil. If they stopped making single coils, I would wind my own.
– Todd Wilcox
Jan 31 at 9:49
@KirillG Becuase no matter what you do to a humbucker, it will never sound just like a single coil. My favorite guitar is single coil. If they stopped making single coils, I would wind my own.
– Todd Wilcox
Jan 31 at 9:49
add a comment |
First off, I recently heard of a pedal that does something like this; it's called the Keyztone Exchanger. The reviewer was pretty enthusiastic.
A few caveats, off the top of my head:
- a humbucker cancels all kinds of external signals that induce a voltage in the pickup; the power mains is the most notorious, but not the only kind of source of noise. Once the noise is in the signal, you cannot just get rid of it using a noise gate - as long as you play, and the noise gate is open, you'll hear the hum and hiss underneath the notes. If you're only interested in the hum from the power grid, you could selectively filter for that frequency and a few of its harmonics, but that might damage your signal as well.
- you'd probably need a very specific EQ. The humbucker acts as a comb filter, canceling a specific set of frequencies that depend on the distance between the rows of polepieces.
add a comment |
First off, I recently heard of a pedal that does something like this; it's called the Keyztone Exchanger. The reviewer was pretty enthusiastic.
A few caveats, off the top of my head:
- a humbucker cancels all kinds of external signals that induce a voltage in the pickup; the power mains is the most notorious, but not the only kind of source of noise. Once the noise is in the signal, you cannot just get rid of it using a noise gate - as long as you play, and the noise gate is open, you'll hear the hum and hiss underneath the notes. If you're only interested in the hum from the power grid, you could selectively filter for that frequency and a few of its harmonics, but that might damage your signal as well.
- you'd probably need a very specific EQ. The humbucker acts as a comb filter, canceling a specific set of frequencies that depend on the distance between the rows of polepieces.
add a comment |
First off, I recently heard of a pedal that does something like this; it's called the Keyztone Exchanger. The reviewer was pretty enthusiastic.
A few caveats, off the top of my head:
- a humbucker cancels all kinds of external signals that induce a voltage in the pickup; the power mains is the most notorious, but not the only kind of source of noise. Once the noise is in the signal, you cannot just get rid of it using a noise gate - as long as you play, and the noise gate is open, you'll hear the hum and hiss underneath the notes. If you're only interested in the hum from the power grid, you could selectively filter for that frequency and a few of its harmonics, but that might damage your signal as well.
- you'd probably need a very specific EQ. The humbucker acts as a comb filter, canceling a specific set of frequencies that depend on the distance between the rows of polepieces.
First off, I recently heard of a pedal that does something like this; it's called the Keyztone Exchanger. The reviewer was pretty enthusiastic.
A few caveats, off the top of my head:
- a humbucker cancels all kinds of external signals that induce a voltage in the pickup; the power mains is the most notorious, but not the only kind of source of noise. Once the noise is in the signal, you cannot just get rid of it using a noise gate - as long as you play, and the noise gate is open, you'll hear the hum and hiss underneath the notes. If you're only interested in the hum from the power grid, you could selectively filter for that frequency and a few of its harmonics, but that might damage your signal as well.
- you'd probably need a very specific EQ. The humbucker acts as a comb filter, canceling a specific set of frequencies that depend on the distance between the rows of polepieces.
answered Jan 30 at 15:26
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"Single coil" and "Humbucker" aren't standards for frequency spectra. There are enough variables within each technology—everything from the type of magnet to the number of coil windings to the material and thickness of the coil wire—to make a huge amount of variation possible. And that takes none of the other very important variables of tone into consideration: the density of the guitar's wood, the type and thickness of the strings, the position of the pickup along the strings, the electronics inside the guitar, the closeness of the pickup to the strings, the playing technique, and probably lots of other stuff I can't think of off the top of my head.
Depending on the alternating current service in the country where the guitar is plugged in, the hum comes in at 50 Hz or 60 Hz. The lowest fundamental frequency of a guitar is 82.4 Hz (E2), so the brunt of the hum can be easily and safely removed (with a parametric EQ notched at the appropriate frequency) without fear of affecting the tone. (The waveform of alternating current in electric power circuits is almost always a sine wave, so its impact at other frequencies is theoretically nothing and, in practice, dependent on the local conditions.) As you know, that alone wouldn't make a "typical" single coil pickup sound like a "typical" humbucker. (A noise gate is nothing but a volume-triggered on/off switch. In theory, it does nothing whatsoever to change the sound.)
Assuming you could exactly establish the frequency response of a humbucking pickup, and each of those frequencies was sufficiently present in the signal from a single coil pickup, you could probably create an EQ curve which makes the waveforms look alike in a Fourier analysis. But that's just for one note played at one loudness.
As you alluded to, the frequency response changes with the amplitude. So you'd need a compressor to mimic the exact behavior of the humbucking pickup or a sophisticated dynamic EQ.
But even then, it wouldn't be identical. Even if you have the same player, guitar, pick, pickup, strings, amplitude, and note, you wouldn't ever get the exact same thing twice. There are way too many variables at play.
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The hum signal you get with a single coil is seldom just a perfect sine, but actually has quite some harmonics. It's those are more annoying and hard to filter out (it can be done with a comb filter, but that affects the entire guitar spectrum). It can be done quite well indeed with an auto-calibrating FFT gate, but that isn't really usable live because of the high latency.
– leftaroundabout
Jan 30 at 16:40
Good point. Lots of localities have "dirty power" and none have perfect power. Edited. tesengineering.com/electrical-engineering-what-is-dirty-power
– trw
Jan 30 at 16:50
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"Single coil" and "Humbucker" aren't standards for frequency spectra. There are enough variables within each technology—everything from the type of magnet to the number of coil windings to the material and thickness of the coil wire—to make a huge amount of variation possible. And that takes none of the other very important variables of tone into consideration: the density of the guitar's wood, the type and thickness of the strings, the position of the pickup along the strings, the electronics inside the guitar, the closeness of the pickup to the strings, the playing technique, and probably lots of other stuff I can't think of off the top of my head.
Depending on the alternating current service in the country where the guitar is plugged in, the hum comes in at 50 Hz or 60 Hz. The lowest fundamental frequency of a guitar is 82.4 Hz (E2), so the brunt of the hum can be easily and safely removed (with a parametric EQ notched at the appropriate frequency) without fear of affecting the tone. (The waveform of alternating current in electric power circuits is almost always a sine wave, so its impact at other frequencies is theoretically nothing and, in practice, dependent on the local conditions.) As you know, that alone wouldn't make a "typical" single coil pickup sound like a "typical" humbucker. (A noise gate is nothing but a volume-triggered on/off switch. In theory, it does nothing whatsoever to change the sound.)
Assuming you could exactly establish the frequency response of a humbucking pickup, and each of those frequencies was sufficiently present in the signal from a single coil pickup, you could probably create an EQ curve which makes the waveforms look alike in a Fourier analysis. But that's just for one note played at one loudness.
As you alluded to, the frequency response changes with the amplitude. So you'd need a compressor to mimic the exact behavior of the humbucking pickup or a sophisticated dynamic EQ.
But even then, it wouldn't be identical. Even if you have the same player, guitar, pick, pickup, strings, amplitude, and note, you wouldn't ever get the exact same thing twice. There are way too many variables at play.
3
The hum signal you get with a single coil is seldom just a perfect sine, but actually has quite some harmonics. It's those are more annoying and hard to filter out (it can be done with a comb filter, but that affects the entire guitar spectrum). It can be done quite well indeed with an auto-calibrating FFT gate, but that isn't really usable live because of the high latency.
– leftaroundabout
Jan 30 at 16:40
Good point. Lots of localities have "dirty power" and none have perfect power. Edited. tesengineering.com/electrical-engineering-what-is-dirty-power
– trw
Jan 30 at 16:50
add a comment |
"Single coil" and "Humbucker" aren't standards for frequency spectra. There are enough variables within each technology—everything from the type of magnet to the number of coil windings to the material and thickness of the coil wire—to make a huge amount of variation possible. And that takes none of the other very important variables of tone into consideration: the density of the guitar's wood, the type and thickness of the strings, the position of the pickup along the strings, the electronics inside the guitar, the closeness of the pickup to the strings, the playing technique, and probably lots of other stuff I can't think of off the top of my head.
Depending on the alternating current service in the country where the guitar is plugged in, the hum comes in at 50 Hz or 60 Hz. The lowest fundamental frequency of a guitar is 82.4 Hz (E2), so the brunt of the hum can be easily and safely removed (with a parametric EQ notched at the appropriate frequency) without fear of affecting the tone. (The waveform of alternating current in electric power circuits is almost always a sine wave, so its impact at other frequencies is theoretically nothing and, in practice, dependent on the local conditions.) As you know, that alone wouldn't make a "typical" single coil pickup sound like a "typical" humbucker. (A noise gate is nothing but a volume-triggered on/off switch. In theory, it does nothing whatsoever to change the sound.)
Assuming you could exactly establish the frequency response of a humbucking pickup, and each of those frequencies was sufficiently present in the signal from a single coil pickup, you could probably create an EQ curve which makes the waveforms look alike in a Fourier analysis. But that's just for one note played at one loudness.
As you alluded to, the frequency response changes with the amplitude. So you'd need a compressor to mimic the exact behavior of the humbucking pickup or a sophisticated dynamic EQ.
But even then, it wouldn't be identical. Even if you have the same player, guitar, pick, pickup, strings, amplitude, and note, you wouldn't ever get the exact same thing twice. There are way too many variables at play.
"Single coil" and "Humbucker" aren't standards for frequency spectra. There are enough variables within each technology—everything from the type of magnet to the number of coil windings to the material and thickness of the coil wire—to make a huge amount of variation possible. And that takes none of the other very important variables of tone into consideration: the density of the guitar's wood, the type and thickness of the strings, the position of the pickup along the strings, the electronics inside the guitar, the closeness of the pickup to the strings, the playing technique, and probably lots of other stuff I can't think of off the top of my head.
Depending on the alternating current service in the country where the guitar is plugged in, the hum comes in at 50 Hz or 60 Hz. The lowest fundamental frequency of a guitar is 82.4 Hz (E2), so the brunt of the hum can be easily and safely removed (with a parametric EQ notched at the appropriate frequency) without fear of affecting the tone. (The waveform of alternating current in electric power circuits is almost always a sine wave, so its impact at other frequencies is theoretically nothing and, in practice, dependent on the local conditions.) As you know, that alone wouldn't make a "typical" single coil pickup sound like a "typical" humbucker. (A noise gate is nothing but a volume-triggered on/off switch. In theory, it does nothing whatsoever to change the sound.)
Assuming you could exactly establish the frequency response of a humbucking pickup, and each of those frequencies was sufficiently present in the signal from a single coil pickup, you could probably create an EQ curve which makes the waveforms look alike in a Fourier analysis. But that's just for one note played at one loudness.
As you alluded to, the frequency response changes with the amplitude. So you'd need a compressor to mimic the exact behavior of the humbucking pickup or a sophisticated dynamic EQ.
But even then, it wouldn't be identical. Even if you have the same player, guitar, pick, pickup, strings, amplitude, and note, you wouldn't ever get the exact same thing twice. There are way too many variables at play.
edited Jan 30 at 21:29
answered Jan 30 at 16:33
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The hum signal you get with a single coil is seldom just a perfect sine, but actually has quite some harmonics. It's those are more annoying and hard to filter out (it can be done with a comb filter, but that affects the entire guitar spectrum). It can be done quite well indeed with an auto-calibrating FFT gate, but that isn't really usable live because of the high latency.
– leftaroundabout
Jan 30 at 16:40
Good point. Lots of localities have "dirty power" and none have perfect power. Edited. tesengineering.com/electrical-engineering-what-is-dirty-power
– trw
Jan 30 at 16:50
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The hum signal you get with a single coil is seldom just a perfect sine, but actually has quite some harmonics. It's those are more annoying and hard to filter out (it can be done with a comb filter, but that affects the entire guitar spectrum). It can be done quite well indeed with an auto-calibrating FFT gate, but that isn't really usable live because of the high latency.
– leftaroundabout
Jan 30 at 16:40
Good point. Lots of localities have "dirty power" and none have perfect power. Edited. tesengineering.com/electrical-engineering-what-is-dirty-power
– trw
Jan 30 at 16:50
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The hum signal you get with a single coil is seldom just a perfect sine, but actually has quite some harmonics. It's those are more annoying and hard to filter out (it can be done with a comb filter, but that affects the entire guitar spectrum). It can be done quite well indeed with an auto-calibrating FFT gate, but that isn't really usable live because of the high latency.
– leftaroundabout
Jan 30 at 16:40
The hum signal you get with a single coil is seldom just a perfect sine, but actually has quite some harmonics. It's those are more annoying and hard to filter out (it can be done with a comb filter, but that affects the entire guitar spectrum). It can be done quite well indeed with an auto-calibrating FFT gate, but that isn't really usable live because of the high latency.
– leftaroundabout
Jan 30 at 16:40
Good point. Lots of localities have "dirty power" and none have perfect power. Edited. tesengineering.com/electrical-engineering-what-is-dirty-power
– trw
Jan 30 at 16:50
Good point. Lots of localities have "dirty power" and none have perfect power. Edited. tesengineering.com/electrical-engineering-what-is-dirty-power
– trw
Jan 30 at 16:50
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It is an engineering question: Can the two output signals be made indistinguishable in spectrum and dynamics?
No.
Why?
Well, the single coil always picks up the hum of the electrical grid. Both when you don't play, and when you do. The humbucker always cancels this noise, both when you don't play, and when you do. Consequently, the gate is insufficient to make the two signals indistinguishable. You'd need to filter out the grid's hum even when you are playing.
Also, the single coil picks up every environmental field, not just the 50Hz noise of the grid. Again, the humbucker cancels all these environmental fields out. So, depending on your environment, you have some noise across all the frequencies in the single coil's spectrum that are just not there in the humbucker's spectrum. Consequently, you cannot just filter out all the noise frequencies, you must remove the noise from every band. And some of this noise is not predictable, so you can't filter it out without muting the entire guitar.
Obviously, you can put in some signal processing that fools most humans with the input of a single coil. And maybe you are such a DSP-wizard that you can even achieve a more pleasant sound with the single coil + DSP combo. But it won't be technically indistinguishable from the humbucker's sound.
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It is an engineering question: Can the two output signals be made indistinguishable in spectrum and dynamics?
No.
Why?
Well, the single coil always picks up the hum of the electrical grid. Both when you don't play, and when you do. The humbucker always cancels this noise, both when you don't play, and when you do. Consequently, the gate is insufficient to make the two signals indistinguishable. You'd need to filter out the grid's hum even when you are playing.
Also, the single coil picks up every environmental field, not just the 50Hz noise of the grid. Again, the humbucker cancels all these environmental fields out. So, depending on your environment, you have some noise across all the frequencies in the single coil's spectrum that are just not there in the humbucker's spectrum. Consequently, you cannot just filter out all the noise frequencies, you must remove the noise from every band. And some of this noise is not predictable, so you can't filter it out without muting the entire guitar.
Obviously, you can put in some signal processing that fools most humans with the input of a single coil. And maybe you are such a DSP-wizard that you can even achieve a more pleasant sound with the single coil + DSP combo. But it won't be technically indistinguishable from the humbucker's sound.
add a comment |
It is an engineering question: Can the two output signals be made indistinguishable in spectrum and dynamics?
No.
Why?
Well, the single coil always picks up the hum of the electrical grid. Both when you don't play, and when you do. The humbucker always cancels this noise, both when you don't play, and when you do. Consequently, the gate is insufficient to make the two signals indistinguishable. You'd need to filter out the grid's hum even when you are playing.
Also, the single coil picks up every environmental field, not just the 50Hz noise of the grid. Again, the humbucker cancels all these environmental fields out. So, depending on your environment, you have some noise across all the frequencies in the single coil's spectrum that are just not there in the humbucker's spectrum. Consequently, you cannot just filter out all the noise frequencies, you must remove the noise from every band. And some of this noise is not predictable, so you can't filter it out without muting the entire guitar.
Obviously, you can put in some signal processing that fools most humans with the input of a single coil. And maybe you are such a DSP-wizard that you can even achieve a more pleasant sound with the single coil + DSP combo. But it won't be technically indistinguishable from the humbucker's sound.
It is an engineering question: Can the two output signals be made indistinguishable in spectrum and dynamics?
No.
Why?
Well, the single coil always picks up the hum of the electrical grid. Both when you don't play, and when you do. The humbucker always cancels this noise, both when you don't play, and when you do. Consequently, the gate is insufficient to make the two signals indistinguishable. You'd need to filter out the grid's hum even when you are playing.
Also, the single coil picks up every environmental field, not just the 50Hz noise of the grid. Again, the humbucker cancels all these environmental fields out. So, depending on your environment, you have some noise across all the frequencies in the single coil's spectrum that are just not there in the humbucker's spectrum. Consequently, you cannot just filter out all the noise frequencies, you must remove the noise from every band. And some of this noise is not predictable, so you can't filter it out without muting the entire guitar.
Obviously, you can put in some signal processing that fools most humans with the input of a single coil. And maybe you are such a DSP-wizard that you can even achieve a more pleasant sound with the single coil + DSP combo. But it won't be technically indistinguishable from the humbucker's sound.
answered Jan 30 at 22:34
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If the goal is a result that's indistinguishable, a noise gate isn't going to cut it (pun not intended) if any significant amount of noise is being picked up - it will still let hum and noise through on the tails of notes, and the opening/closing of the gate will be very audible too.
– topo morto
Jan 30 at 15:25