Why isn't Klavarskribo used more often?

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After learning about the existence of Klavarskribo, I've been wondering why it's not more widely used. I know practically every piano piece is written in standard notation, but that cannot be the reason, since the same thing could be said about guitar pieces, and yet guitar tabs are extremely popular.



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    One major difference between guitar and piano is there can be up to six different places to play the exact same note on a guitar, and guitar tab shows you exactly which place to play a note. When reading sheet music for guitar, sometimes the position is indicated, but tab very quickly and easily resolves any ambiguity. But with piano, there's one key per musical note, so a regular grand staff is pretty close to piano "tab". I personally don't see how Klavarskribo makes anything easier for the piano, while it seems to be a bit confusing in some ways.
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  • Wow, that notation resembles Synthesia. (On a video game music transcription website I frequent, NinSheetMusic, I've seen several requests for MIDIs so those askers can learn the pieces on Synthesia, implying they understand that program's notation.)
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After learning about the existence of Klavarskribo, I've been wondering why it's not more widely used. I know practically every piano piece is written in standard notation, but that cannot be the reason, since the same thing could be said about guitar pieces, and yet guitar tabs are extremely popular.



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    One major difference between guitar and piano is there can be up to six different places to play the exact same note on a guitar, and guitar tab shows you exactly which place to play a note. When reading sheet music for guitar, sometimes the position is indicated, but tab very quickly and easily resolves any ambiguity. But with piano, there's one key per musical note, so a regular grand staff is pretty close to piano "tab". I personally don't see how Klavarskribo makes anything easier for the piano, while it seems to be a bit confusing in some ways.
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  • Wow, that notation resembles Synthesia. (On a video game music transcription website I frequent, NinSheetMusic, I've seen several requests for MIDIs so those askers can learn the pieces on Synthesia, implying they understand that program's notation.)
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After learning about the existence of Klavarskribo, I've been wondering why it's not more widely used. I know practically every piano piece is written in standard notation, but that cannot be the reason, since the same thing could be said about guitar pieces, and yet guitar tabs are extremely popular.



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    One major difference between guitar and piano is there can be up to six different places to play the exact same note on a guitar, and guitar tab shows you exactly which place to play a note. When reading sheet music for guitar, sometimes the position is indicated, but tab very quickly and easily resolves any ambiguity. But with piano, there's one key per musical note, so a regular grand staff is pretty close to piano "tab". I personally don't see how Klavarskribo makes anything easier for the piano, while it seems to be a bit confusing in some ways.
    – Todd Wilcox
    9 hours ago










  • Good question BTW (IMHO), and welcome to the site!
    – topo morto
    7 hours ago











  • Wow, that notation resembles Synthesia. (On a video game music transcription website I frequent, NinSheetMusic, I've seen several requests for MIDIs so those askers can learn the pieces on Synthesia, implying they understand that program's notation.)
    – Dekkadeci
    5 hours ago












  • 2




    One major difference between guitar and piano is there can be up to six different places to play the exact same note on a guitar, and guitar tab shows you exactly which place to play a note. When reading sheet music for guitar, sometimes the position is indicated, but tab very quickly and easily resolves any ambiguity. But with piano, there's one key per musical note, so a regular grand staff is pretty close to piano "tab". I personally don't see how Klavarskribo makes anything easier for the piano, while it seems to be a bit confusing in some ways.
    – Todd Wilcox
    9 hours ago










  • Good question BTW (IMHO), and welcome to the site!
    – topo morto
    7 hours ago











  • Wow, that notation resembles Synthesia. (On a video game music transcription website I frequent, NinSheetMusic, I've seen several requests for MIDIs so those askers can learn the pieces on Synthesia, implying they understand that program's notation.)
    – Dekkadeci
    5 hours ago







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One major difference between guitar and piano is there can be up to six different places to play the exact same note on a guitar, and guitar tab shows you exactly which place to play a note. When reading sheet music for guitar, sometimes the position is indicated, but tab very quickly and easily resolves any ambiguity. But with piano, there's one key per musical note, so a regular grand staff is pretty close to piano "tab". I personally don't see how Klavarskribo makes anything easier for the piano, while it seems to be a bit confusing in some ways.
– Todd Wilcox
9 hours ago




One major difference between guitar and piano is there can be up to six different places to play the exact same note on a guitar, and guitar tab shows you exactly which place to play a note. When reading sheet music for guitar, sometimes the position is indicated, but tab very quickly and easily resolves any ambiguity. But with piano, there's one key per musical note, so a regular grand staff is pretty close to piano "tab". I personally don't see how Klavarskribo makes anything easier for the piano, while it seems to be a bit confusing in some ways.
– Todd Wilcox
9 hours ago












Good question BTW (IMHO), and welcome to the site!
– topo morto
7 hours ago





Good question BTW (IMHO), and welcome to the site!
– topo morto
7 hours ago













Wow, that notation resembles Synthesia. (On a video game music transcription website I frequent, NinSheetMusic, I've seen several requests for MIDIs so those askers can learn the pieces on Synthesia, implying they understand that program's notation.)
– Dekkadeci
5 hours ago




Wow, that notation resembles Synthesia. (On a video game music transcription website I frequent, NinSheetMusic, I've seen several requests for MIDIs so those askers can learn the pieces on Synthesia, implying they understand that program's notation.)
– Dekkadeci
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My opinion (and I'm not sure you will get a result based on a more sound basis): I fail to see, how this can be applied to any non-trivial piano piece due to the width required. Turning pages seems also a non-trivial problem besides the pure convention.



Standard notation packs an astonishing amount of information on a page and the addition of accents, phrasing and whatsoever seems a challenge for Klavarskribo. This looks like a beginner only notation and the incentive to learn it appears therefore similarly limited.






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    The Klavarskribo seems to involve a quite direct representation of the piano keyboard, but Standard Notation is only a slight abstraction of the piano keyboard; you have to mentally get your head around the change in orientation, and the use of accidentals rather than a separate line for (usually) the black notes, and you're there. So standard notation isn't really that much harder to understand for piano, and as guidot's answer points out, it's very efficient.




    Why isn't the Klavar notation as widely used as guitar tabs?




    ...on the other hand, Standard Notation isn't laid out anything like the guitar, so there's a clearer use case for a guitar notation that's more 'obvious' than Standard Notation.






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      "why isn't it used more often?"




      The wiki article says Klavarskribo was introduced in 1931.



      This wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablature says tablature's first known occurance was 1300.



      It shouldn't be surprising that such a new system is not as widely known/used as another that has been around for centuries.






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        You mention a similarity to tablature. Consider this video by music education Youtuber Adam Neely: Why You Shouldn't Use Tab. His main point is that once you learn to sight read and develop muscle memory for reading standard notation, standard notation conveys information much more efficiently and faster than tablature does. Tab tells you how to play the notes, whereas standard notation only tells you what notes to play. With tab, you have to 're-learn how to play the notes every single time; with standard notation, you learn it once, commit it to (muscle) memory, and then recall it.



        I think there's a similar relationship between piano sheet music and Klavarskribo.






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        My opinion (and I'm not sure you will get a result based on a more sound basis): I fail to see, how this can be applied to any non-trivial piano piece due to the width required. Turning pages seems also a non-trivial problem besides the pure convention.



        Standard notation packs an astonishing amount of information on a page and the addition of accents, phrasing and whatsoever seems a challenge for Klavarskribo. This looks like a beginner only notation and the incentive to learn it appears therefore similarly limited.






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          My opinion (and I'm not sure you will get a result based on a more sound basis): I fail to see, how this can be applied to any non-trivial piano piece due to the width required. Turning pages seems also a non-trivial problem besides the pure convention.



          Standard notation packs an astonishing amount of information on a page and the addition of accents, phrasing and whatsoever seems a challenge for Klavarskribo. This looks like a beginner only notation and the incentive to learn it appears therefore similarly limited.






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            My opinion (and I'm not sure you will get a result based on a more sound basis): I fail to see, how this can be applied to any non-trivial piano piece due to the width required. Turning pages seems also a non-trivial problem besides the pure convention.



            Standard notation packs an astonishing amount of information on a page and the addition of accents, phrasing and whatsoever seems a challenge for Klavarskribo. This looks like a beginner only notation and the incentive to learn it appears therefore similarly limited.






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            My opinion (and I'm not sure you will get a result based on a more sound basis): I fail to see, how this can be applied to any non-trivial piano piece due to the width required. Turning pages seems also a non-trivial problem besides the pure convention.



            Standard notation packs an astonishing amount of information on a page and the addition of accents, phrasing and whatsoever seems a challenge for Klavarskribo. This looks like a beginner only notation and the incentive to learn it appears therefore similarly limited.







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                The Klavarskribo seems to involve a quite direct representation of the piano keyboard, but Standard Notation is only a slight abstraction of the piano keyboard; you have to mentally get your head around the change in orientation, and the use of accidentals rather than a separate line for (usually) the black notes, and you're there. So standard notation isn't really that much harder to understand for piano, and as guidot's answer points out, it's very efficient.




                Why isn't the Klavar notation as widely used as guitar tabs?




                ...on the other hand, Standard Notation isn't laid out anything like the guitar, so there's a clearer use case for a guitar notation that's more 'obvious' than Standard Notation.






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                  The Klavarskribo seems to involve a quite direct representation of the piano keyboard, but Standard Notation is only a slight abstraction of the piano keyboard; you have to mentally get your head around the change in orientation, and the use of accidentals rather than a separate line for (usually) the black notes, and you're there. So standard notation isn't really that much harder to understand for piano, and as guidot's answer points out, it's very efficient.




                  Why isn't the Klavar notation as widely used as guitar tabs?




                  ...on the other hand, Standard Notation isn't laid out anything like the guitar, so there's a clearer use case for a guitar notation that's more 'obvious' than Standard Notation.






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                    The Klavarskribo seems to involve a quite direct representation of the piano keyboard, but Standard Notation is only a slight abstraction of the piano keyboard; you have to mentally get your head around the change in orientation, and the use of accidentals rather than a separate line for (usually) the black notes, and you're there. So standard notation isn't really that much harder to understand for piano, and as guidot's answer points out, it's very efficient.




                    Why isn't the Klavar notation as widely used as guitar tabs?




                    ...on the other hand, Standard Notation isn't laid out anything like the guitar, so there's a clearer use case for a guitar notation that's more 'obvious' than Standard Notation.






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                    The Klavarskribo seems to involve a quite direct representation of the piano keyboard, but Standard Notation is only a slight abstraction of the piano keyboard; you have to mentally get your head around the change in orientation, and the use of accidentals rather than a separate line for (usually) the black notes, and you're there. So standard notation isn't really that much harder to understand for piano, and as guidot's answer points out, it's very efficient.




                    Why isn't the Klavar notation as widely used as guitar tabs?




                    ...on the other hand, Standard Notation isn't laid out anything like the guitar, so there's a clearer use case for a guitar notation that's more 'obvious' than Standard Notation.







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                        "why isn't it used more often?"




                        The wiki article says Klavarskribo was introduced in 1931.



                        This wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablature says tablature's first known occurance was 1300.



                        It shouldn't be surprising that such a new system is not as widely known/used as another that has been around for centuries.






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                          "why isn't it used more often?"




                          The wiki article says Klavarskribo was introduced in 1931.



                          This wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablature says tablature's first known occurance was 1300.



                          It shouldn't be surprising that such a new system is not as widely known/used as another that has been around for centuries.






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                            "why isn't it used more often?"




                            The wiki article says Klavarskribo was introduced in 1931.



                            This wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablature says tablature's first known occurance was 1300.



                            It shouldn't be surprising that such a new system is not as widely known/used as another that has been around for centuries.






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                            "why isn't it used more often?"




                            The wiki article says Klavarskribo was introduced in 1931.



                            This wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablature says tablature's first known occurance was 1300.



                            It shouldn't be surprising that such a new system is not as widely known/used as another that has been around for centuries.







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                                You mention a similarity to tablature. Consider this video by music education Youtuber Adam Neely: Why You Shouldn't Use Tab. His main point is that once you learn to sight read and develop muscle memory for reading standard notation, standard notation conveys information much more efficiently and faster than tablature does. Tab tells you how to play the notes, whereas standard notation only tells you what notes to play. With tab, you have to 're-learn how to play the notes every single time; with standard notation, you learn it once, commit it to (muscle) memory, and then recall it.



                                I think there's a similar relationship between piano sheet music and Klavarskribo.






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                                • Also he mentioned that sheet music has a better capability to show the analysable aspects of music. BASS +1
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                                You mention a similarity to tablature. Consider this video by music education Youtuber Adam Neely: Why You Shouldn't Use Tab. His main point is that once you learn to sight read and develop muscle memory for reading standard notation, standard notation conveys information much more efficiently and faster than tablature does. Tab tells you how to play the notes, whereas standard notation only tells you what notes to play. With tab, you have to 're-learn how to play the notes every single time; with standard notation, you learn it once, commit it to (muscle) memory, and then recall it.



                                I think there's a similar relationship between piano sheet music and Klavarskribo.






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                                You mention a similarity to tablature. Consider this video by music education Youtuber Adam Neely: Why You Shouldn't Use Tab. His main point is that once you learn to sight read and develop muscle memory for reading standard notation, standard notation conveys information much more efficiently and faster than tablature does. Tab tells you how to play the notes, whereas standard notation only tells you what notes to play. With tab, you have to 're-learn how to play the notes every single time; with standard notation, you learn it once, commit it to (muscle) memory, and then recall it.



                                I think there's a similar relationship between piano sheet music and Klavarskribo.






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                                You mention a similarity to tablature. Consider this video by music education Youtuber Adam Neely: Why You Shouldn't Use Tab. His main point is that once you learn to sight read and develop muscle memory for reading standard notation, standard notation conveys information much more efficiently and faster than tablature does. Tab tells you how to play the notes, whereas standard notation only tells you what notes to play. With tab, you have to 're-learn how to play the notes every single time; with standard notation, you learn it once, commit it to (muscle) memory, and then recall it.



                                I think there's a similar relationship between piano sheet music and Klavarskribo.







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                                • Also he mentioned that sheet music has a better capability to show the analysable aspects of music. BASS +1
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