Does First Strike cause a creature to deal damage twice?
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Do creatures with first strike deal first and normal strike damage? I attacked with a Goblin Machinist that had +5/+0, and my friend argued that his 3/1 first strike would kill it, is that true?
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Do creatures with first strike deal first and normal strike damage? I attacked with a Goblin Machinist that had +5/+0, and my friend argued that his 3/1 first strike would kill it, is that true?
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@GendoIkari I don't think this is a duplicate. The question is asking whether a creature with first strike deals both first strike and normal combat damage. OP's friend is confusing first strike and double strike.
â BJ Myers
9 hours ago
@BJMyers Good catch. I missed the "and normal strike" part.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
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@JoelClymore can you clarify what card you are attacking with? There does not appear to be a specific card called "Goblin Masochist", and the specific stats of the card in question matter to the answer.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
Sorry itâÂÂs goblin machinist
â Joel Clymore
8 hours ago
Thanks. Be careful not to mix "counters" with +5/+0 stats. Counters are a different thing; I assume you mean that your Goblin was a 5/5 at the time, having using his +X/+0 ability for X=5.
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Do creatures with first strike deal first and normal strike damage? I attacked with a Goblin Machinist that had +5/+0, and my friend argued that his 3/1 first strike would kill it, is that true?
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Do creatures with first strike deal first and normal strike damage? I attacked with a Goblin Machinist that had +5/+0, and my friend argued that his 3/1 first strike would kill it, is that true?
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@GendoIkari I don't think this is a duplicate. The question is asking whether a creature with first strike deals both first strike and normal combat damage. OP's friend is confusing first strike and double strike.
â BJ Myers
9 hours ago
@BJMyers Good catch. I missed the "and normal strike" part.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
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@JoelClymore can you clarify what card you are attacking with? There does not appear to be a specific card called "Goblin Masochist", and the specific stats of the card in question matter to the answer.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
Sorry itâÂÂs goblin machinist
â Joel Clymore
8 hours ago
Thanks. Be careful not to mix "counters" with +5/+0 stats. Counters are a different thing; I assume you mean that your Goblin was a 5/5 at the time, having using his +X/+0 ability for X=5.
â GendoIkari
7 hours ago
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@GendoIkari I don't think this is a duplicate. The question is asking whether a creature with first strike deals both first strike and normal combat damage. OP's friend is confusing first strike and double strike.
â BJ Myers
9 hours ago
@BJMyers Good catch. I missed the "and normal strike" part.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
1
@JoelClymore can you clarify what card you are attacking with? There does not appear to be a specific card called "Goblin Masochist", and the specific stats of the card in question matter to the answer.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
Sorry itâÂÂs goblin machinist
â Joel Clymore
8 hours ago
Thanks. Be careful not to mix "counters" with +5/+0 stats. Counters are a different thing; I assume you mean that your Goblin was a 5/5 at the time, having using his +X/+0 ability for X=5.
â GendoIkari
7 hours ago
@GendoIkari I don't think this is a duplicate. The question is asking whether a creature with first strike deals both first strike and normal combat damage. OP's friend is confusing first strike and double strike.
â BJ Myers
9 hours ago
@GendoIkari I don't think this is a duplicate. The question is asking whether a creature with first strike deals both first strike and normal combat damage. OP's friend is confusing first strike and double strike.
â BJ Myers
9 hours ago
@BJMyers Good catch. I missed the "and normal strike" part.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
@BJMyers Good catch. I missed the "and normal strike" part.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
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@JoelClymore can you clarify what card you are attacking with? There does not appear to be a specific card called "Goblin Masochist", and the specific stats of the card in question matter to the answer.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
@JoelClymore can you clarify what card you are attacking with? There does not appear to be a specific card called "Goblin Masochist", and the specific stats of the card in question matter to the answer.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
Sorry itâÂÂs goblin machinist
â Joel Clymore
8 hours ago
Sorry itâÂÂs goblin machinist
â Joel Clymore
8 hours ago
Thanks. Be careful not to mix "counters" with +5/+0 stats. Counters are a different thing; I assume you mean that your Goblin was a 5/5 at the time, having using his +X/+0 ability for X=5.
â GendoIkari
7 hours ago
Thanks. Be careful not to mix "counters" with +5/+0 stats. Counters are a different thing; I assume you mean that your Goblin was a 5/5 at the time, having using his +X/+0 ability for X=5.
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7 hours ago
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No, First Strike does not cause your creature to deal damage twice; it only causes your creature to deal damage before normal damage is dealt.
702.7b If at least one attacking or blocking creature has first strike or double strike (see rule 702.4) as the combat damage step begins, the only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are those with first strike or double strike. After that step, instead of proceeding to the end of combat step, the phase gets a second combat damage step. The only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are the remaining attackers and blockers that had neither first strike nor double strike as the first combat damage step began, as well as the remaining attackers and blockers that currently have double strike. After that step, the phase proceeds to the end of combat step.
So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage.
If your attacking creature is blocked by a 3/1 with first strike, it would take a total of 3 damage. If it has 3 or less health, then it will die in the first strike damage step, before it can deal damage. If it has 4 or more health (which Goblin Machinist does), then it will still be alive to deal its damage after it has taken the 3 damage.
Your friend may have been confusing First Strike with Double Strike, which is an ability that causes creatures to deal damage twice.
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"So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage." That is usually correct. However, it is possible for a creature with First Strike to deal damage in the second combat damage step. See Can I give a creature First Strike in order to prevent it dealing any damage that combat? for more details.
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1 Answer
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No, First Strike does not cause your creature to deal damage twice; it only causes your creature to deal damage before normal damage is dealt.
702.7b If at least one attacking or blocking creature has first strike or double strike (see rule 702.4) as the combat damage step begins, the only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are those with first strike or double strike. After that step, instead of proceeding to the end of combat step, the phase gets a second combat damage step. The only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are the remaining attackers and blockers that had neither first strike nor double strike as the first combat damage step began, as well as the remaining attackers and blockers that currently have double strike. After that step, the phase proceeds to the end of combat step.
So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage.
If your attacking creature is blocked by a 3/1 with first strike, it would take a total of 3 damage. If it has 3 or less health, then it will die in the first strike damage step, before it can deal damage. If it has 4 or more health (which Goblin Machinist does), then it will still be alive to deal its damage after it has taken the 3 damage.
Your friend may have been confusing First Strike with Double Strike, which is an ability that causes creatures to deal damage twice.
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"So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage." That is usually correct. However, it is possible for a creature with First Strike to deal damage in the second combat damage step. See Can I give a creature First Strike in order to prevent it dealing any damage that combat? for more details.
â Rainbolt
7 hours ago
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No, First Strike does not cause your creature to deal damage twice; it only causes your creature to deal damage before normal damage is dealt.
702.7b If at least one attacking or blocking creature has first strike or double strike (see rule 702.4) as the combat damage step begins, the only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are those with first strike or double strike. After that step, instead of proceeding to the end of combat step, the phase gets a second combat damage step. The only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are the remaining attackers and blockers that had neither first strike nor double strike as the first combat damage step began, as well as the remaining attackers and blockers that currently have double strike. After that step, the phase proceeds to the end of combat step.
So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage.
If your attacking creature is blocked by a 3/1 with first strike, it would take a total of 3 damage. If it has 3 or less health, then it will die in the first strike damage step, before it can deal damage. If it has 4 or more health (which Goblin Machinist does), then it will still be alive to deal its damage after it has taken the 3 damage.
Your friend may have been confusing First Strike with Double Strike, which is an ability that causes creatures to deal damage twice.
2
"So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage." That is usually correct. However, it is possible for a creature with First Strike to deal damage in the second combat damage step. See Can I give a creature First Strike in order to prevent it dealing any damage that combat? for more details.
â Rainbolt
7 hours ago
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up vote
10
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up vote
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No, First Strike does not cause your creature to deal damage twice; it only causes your creature to deal damage before normal damage is dealt.
702.7b If at least one attacking or blocking creature has first strike or double strike (see rule 702.4) as the combat damage step begins, the only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are those with first strike or double strike. After that step, instead of proceeding to the end of combat step, the phase gets a second combat damage step. The only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are the remaining attackers and blockers that had neither first strike nor double strike as the first combat damage step began, as well as the remaining attackers and blockers that currently have double strike. After that step, the phase proceeds to the end of combat step.
So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage.
If your attacking creature is blocked by a 3/1 with first strike, it would take a total of 3 damage. If it has 3 or less health, then it will die in the first strike damage step, before it can deal damage. If it has 4 or more health (which Goblin Machinist does), then it will still be alive to deal its damage after it has taken the 3 damage.
Your friend may have been confusing First Strike with Double Strike, which is an ability that causes creatures to deal damage twice.
No, First Strike does not cause your creature to deal damage twice; it only causes your creature to deal damage before normal damage is dealt.
702.7b If at least one attacking or blocking creature has first strike or double strike (see rule 702.4) as the combat damage step begins, the only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are those with first strike or double strike. After that step, instead of proceeding to the end of combat step, the phase gets a second combat damage step. The only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are the remaining attackers and blockers that had neither first strike nor double strike as the first combat damage step began, as well as the remaining attackers and blockers that currently have double strike. After that step, the phase proceeds to the end of combat step.
So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage.
If your attacking creature is blocked by a 3/1 with first strike, it would take a total of 3 damage. If it has 3 or less health, then it will die in the first strike damage step, before it can deal damage. If it has 4 or more health (which Goblin Machinist does), then it will still be alive to deal its damage after it has taken the 3 damage.
Your friend may have been confusing First Strike with Double Strike, which is an ability that causes creatures to deal damage twice.
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"So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage." That is usually correct. However, it is possible for a creature with First Strike to deal damage in the second combat damage step. See Can I give a creature First Strike in order to prevent it dealing any damage that combat? for more details.
â Rainbolt
7 hours ago
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"So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage." That is usually correct. However, it is possible for a creature with First Strike to deal damage in the second combat damage step. See Can I give a creature First Strike in order to prevent it dealing any damage that combat? for more details.
â Rainbolt
7 hours ago
2
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"So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage." That is usually correct. However, it is possible for a creature with First Strike to deal damage in the second combat damage step. See Can I give a creature First Strike in order to prevent it dealing any damage that combat? for more details.
â Rainbolt
7 hours ago
"So in the second / regular combat damage step, creatures with first strike will not deal damage, because they already dealt their damage." That is usually correct. However, it is possible for a creature with First Strike to deal damage in the second combat damage step. See Can I give a creature First Strike in order to prevent it dealing any damage that combat? for more details.
â Rainbolt
7 hours ago
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@GendoIkari I don't think this is a duplicate. The question is asking whether a creature with first strike deals both first strike and normal combat damage. OP's friend is confusing first strike and double strike.
â BJ Myers
9 hours ago
@BJMyers Good catch. I missed the "and normal strike" part.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
1
@JoelClymore can you clarify what card you are attacking with? There does not appear to be a specific card called "Goblin Masochist", and the specific stats of the card in question matter to the answer.
â GendoIkari
9 hours ago
Sorry itâÂÂs goblin machinist
â Joel Clymore
8 hours ago
Thanks. Be careful not to mix "counters" with +5/+0 stats. Counters are a different thing; I assume you mean that your Goblin was a 5/5 at the time, having using his +X/+0 ability for X=5.
â GendoIkari
7 hours ago