Why is `e^(i2ÃÂ) = e^0` true while `i2ÃÂ = 0` is false?
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I came across a perplexing thing while testing some assumptions in Wolfram|Alpha, and as I don't have a math education beyond college algebra, I thought this would be a good place to ask. I would just like to emphasize that this is not a homework question, and is purely curiosity.
Common faulty math proofs tend to use logic like this:
1^0 = 1
2^0 = 1
therefore 1 = 2
This is obviously false because x^0
is defined as 1 for all real values of x
.
But in the case of e^(i2ÃÂ) = e^0
, the base is the same: e
. So if a^x = a^y
is true, shouldn't it follow, then, that x = y
and therefore i2ÃÂ = 0
? If not, why?
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I came across a perplexing thing while testing some assumptions in Wolfram|Alpha, and as I don't have a math education beyond college algebra, I thought this would be a good place to ask. I would just like to emphasize that this is not a homework question, and is purely curiosity.
Common faulty math proofs tend to use logic like this:
1^0 = 1
2^0 = 1
therefore 1 = 2
This is obviously false because x^0
is defined as 1 for all real values of x
.
But in the case of e^(i2ÃÂ) = e^0
, the base is the same: e
. So if a^x = a^y
is true, shouldn't it follow, then, that x = y
and therefore i2ÃÂ = 0
? If not, why?
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Seems to be the same question as "why is $sin(0)=sin(2pi)$ true but $0 = 2pi$ false?
â Michael
1 hour ago
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@Michael It is the exact same question, by equating imaginary parts of both sides. :P
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
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$(-1)^2=(1)^2$ but $-1ne 1$.
â hamam_Abdallah
1 hour ago
2
@Frpzzd : How come your comment that affirms my comment gets 2 upvotes, but my comment gets none? =)
â Michael
1 hour ago
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@Michael I have no clue. But if this comment starts getting upvotes, then we'll know something funny is going on. XD
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I came across a perplexing thing while testing some assumptions in Wolfram|Alpha, and as I don't have a math education beyond college algebra, I thought this would be a good place to ask. I would just like to emphasize that this is not a homework question, and is purely curiosity.
Common faulty math proofs tend to use logic like this:
1^0 = 1
2^0 = 1
therefore 1 = 2
This is obviously false because x^0
is defined as 1 for all real values of x
.
But in the case of e^(i2ÃÂ) = e^0
, the base is the same: e
. So if a^x = a^y
is true, shouldn't it follow, then, that x = y
and therefore i2ÃÂ = 0
? If not, why?
complex-numbers eulers-constant
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I came across a perplexing thing while testing some assumptions in Wolfram|Alpha, and as I don't have a math education beyond college algebra, I thought this would be a good place to ask. I would just like to emphasize that this is not a homework question, and is purely curiosity.
Common faulty math proofs tend to use logic like this:
1^0 = 1
2^0 = 1
therefore 1 = 2
This is obviously false because x^0
is defined as 1 for all real values of x
.
But in the case of e^(i2ÃÂ) = e^0
, the base is the same: e
. So if a^x = a^y
is true, shouldn't it follow, then, that x = y
and therefore i2ÃÂ = 0
? If not, why?
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Seems to be the same question as "why is $sin(0)=sin(2pi)$ true but $0 = 2pi$ false?
â Michael
1 hour ago
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@Michael It is the exact same question, by equating imaginary parts of both sides. :P
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
3
$(-1)^2=(1)^2$ but $-1ne 1$.
â hamam_Abdallah
1 hour ago
2
@Frpzzd : How come your comment that affirms my comment gets 2 upvotes, but my comment gets none? =)
â Michael
1 hour ago
3
@Michael I have no clue. But if this comment starts getting upvotes, then we'll know something funny is going on. XD
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Seems to be the same question as "why is $sin(0)=sin(2pi)$ true but $0 = 2pi$ false?
â Michael
1 hour ago
4
@Michael It is the exact same question, by equating imaginary parts of both sides. :P
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
3
$(-1)^2=(1)^2$ but $-1ne 1$.
â hamam_Abdallah
1 hour ago
2
@Frpzzd : How come your comment that affirms my comment gets 2 upvotes, but my comment gets none? =)
â Michael
1 hour ago
3
@Michael I have no clue. But if this comment starts getting upvotes, then we'll know something funny is going on. XD
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
2
2
Seems to be the same question as "why is $sin(0)=sin(2pi)$ true but $0 = 2pi$ false?
â Michael
1 hour ago
Seems to be the same question as "why is $sin(0)=sin(2pi)$ true but $0 = 2pi$ false?
â Michael
1 hour ago
4
4
@Michael It is the exact same question, by equating imaginary parts of both sides. :P
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
@Michael It is the exact same question, by equating imaginary parts of both sides. :P
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
3
3
$(-1)^2=(1)^2$ but $-1ne 1$.
â hamam_Abdallah
1 hour ago
$(-1)^2=(1)^2$ but $-1ne 1$.
â hamam_Abdallah
1 hour ago
2
2
@Frpzzd : How come your comment that affirms my comment gets 2 upvotes, but my comment gets none? =)
â Michael
1 hour ago
@Frpzzd : How come your comment that affirms my comment gets 2 upvotes, but my comment gets none? =)
â Michael
1 hour ago
3
3
@Michael I have no clue. But if this comment starts getting upvotes, then we'll know something funny is going on. XD
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
@Michael I have no clue. But if this comment starts getting upvotes, then we'll know something funny is going on. XD
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That's because the exponential isn't an injective function on $mathbb C$. If is an injective function on $mathbb R$, and so the single-valued logarithm is well-defined on $mathbb R^+$ but not on $mathbb C$.
This isn't true for the same reason that $(-1)^2=1^2$ doesn't imply that $-1=1$.
Would you care to elaborate/add examples? For example, I don't see how the(-1)^2 = 1^2
example is equivalent, because-1 = 1
is false, unlikee = e
.
â Braden Best
1 hour ago
@BradenBest It is equivalent because $f(x)=x^2$ is not injective on $mathbb R$ just as $g(x)=e^x$ is not injective on $mathbb C$.
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Recall that
$$f(x)=f(y) implies x=y$$
require that $f$ is an injective function.
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Simply because the exponential function is periodic with period $2pi i$.
That means that for any $x$, the values of $e^x$ and $e^x+2pi i k$ are equal for all integers $k$.
In particular, you are looking at $x=0$ and $k=0,1$; so $e^0=e^2pi i$, but of course $0$ and $2pi i$ are different numbers.
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That's because the exponential isn't an injective function on $mathbb C$. If is an injective function on $mathbb R$, and so the single-valued logarithm is well-defined on $mathbb R^+$ but not on $mathbb C$.
This isn't true for the same reason that $(-1)^2=1^2$ doesn't imply that $-1=1$.
Would you care to elaborate/add examples? For example, I don't see how the(-1)^2 = 1^2
example is equivalent, because-1 = 1
is false, unlikee = e
.
â Braden Best
1 hour ago
@BradenBest It is equivalent because $f(x)=x^2$ is not injective on $mathbb R$ just as $g(x)=e^x$ is not injective on $mathbb C$.
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
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That's because the exponential isn't an injective function on $mathbb C$. If is an injective function on $mathbb R$, and so the single-valued logarithm is well-defined on $mathbb R^+$ but not on $mathbb C$.
This isn't true for the same reason that $(-1)^2=1^2$ doesn't imply that $-1=1$.
Would you care to elaborate/add examples? For example, I don't see how the(-1)^2 = 1^2
example is equivalent, because-1 = 1
is false, unlikee = e
.
â Braden Best
1 hour ago
@BradenBest It is equivalent because $f(x)=x^2$ is not injective on $mathbb R$ just as $g(x)=e^x$ is not injective on $mathbb C$.
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
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That's because the exponential isn't an injective function on $mathbb C$. If is an injective function on $mathbb R$, and so the single-valued logarithm is well-defined on $mathbb R^+$ but not on $mathbb C$.
This isn't true for the same reason that $(-1)^2=1^2$ doesn't imply that $-1=1$.
That's because the exponential isn't an injective function on $mathbb C$. If is an injective function on $mathbb R$, and so the single-valued logarithm is well-defined on $mathbb R^+$ but not on $mathbb C$.
This isn't true for the same reason that $(-1)^2=1^2$ doesn't imply that $-1=1$.
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Would you care to elaborate/add examples? For example, I don't see how the(-1)^2 = 1^2
example is equivalent, because-1 = 1
is false, unlikee = e
.
â Braden Best
1 hour ago
@BradenBest It is equivalent because $f(x)=x^2$ is not injective on $mathbb R$ just as $g(x)=e^x$ is not injective on $mathbb C$.
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
Would you care to elaborate/add examples? For example, I don't see how the(-1)^2 = 1^2
example is equivalent, because-1 = 1
is false, unlikee = e
.
â Braden Best
1 hour ago
@BradenBest It is equivalent because $f(x)=x^2$ is not injective on $mathbb R$ just as $g(x)=e^x$ is not injective on $mathbb C$.
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
Would you care to elaborate/add examples? For example, I don't see how the
(-1)^2 = 1^2
example is equivalent, because -1 = 1
is false, unlike e = e
.â Braden Best
1 hour ago
Would you care to elaborate/add examples? For example, I don't see how the
(-1)^2 = 1^2
example is equivalent, because -1 = 1
is false, unlike e = e
.â Braden Best
1 hour ago
@BradenBest It is equivalent because $f(x)=x^2$ is not injective on $mathbb R$ just as $g(x)=e^x$ is not injective on $mathbb C$.
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
@BradenBest It is equivalent because $f(x)=x^2$ is not injective on $mathbb R$ just as $g(x)=e^x$ is not injective on $mathbb C$.
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
Recall that
$$f(x)=f(y) implies x=y$$
require that $f$ is an injective function.
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up vote
3
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Recall that
$$f(x)=f(y) implies x=y$$
require that $f$ is an injective function.
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up vote
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Recall that
$$f(x)=f(y) implies x=y$$
require that $f$ is an injective function.
Recall that
$$f(x)=f(y) implies x=y$$
require that $f$ is an injective function.
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Simply because the exponential function is periodic with period $2pi i$.
That means that for any $x$, the values of $e^x$ and $e^x+2pi i k$ are equal for all integers $k$.
In particular, you are looking at $x=0$ and $k=0,1$; so $e^0=e^2pi i$, but of course $0$ and $2pi i$ are different numbers.
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Simply because the exponential function is periodic with period $2pi i$.
That means that for any $x$, the values of $e^x$ and $e^x+2pi i k$ are equal for all integers $k$.
In particular, you are looking at $x=0$ and $k=0,1$; so $e^0=e^2pi i$, but of course $0$ and $2pi i$ are different numbers.
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Simply because the exponential function is periodic with period $2pi i$.
That means that for any $x$, the values of $e^x$ and $e^x+2pi i k$ are equal for all integers $k$.
In particular, you are looking at $x=0$ and $k=0,1$; so $e^0=e^2pi i$, but of course $0$ and $2pi i$ are different numbers.
Simply because the exponential function is periodic with period $2pi i$.
That means that for any $x$, the values of $e^x$ and $e^x+2pi i k$ are equal for all integers $k$.
In particular, you are looking at $x=0$ and $k=0,1$; so $e^0=e^2pi i$, but of course $0$ and $2pi i$ are different numbers.
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Seems to be the same question as "why is $sin(0)=sin(2pi)$ true but $0 = 2pi$ false?
â Michael
1 hour ago
4
@Michael It is the exact same question, by equating imaginary parts of both sides. :P
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago
3
$(-1)^2=(1)^2$ but $-1ne 1$.
â hamam_Abdallah
1 hour ago
2
@Frpzzd : How come your comment that affirms my comment gets 2 upvotes, but my comment gets none? =)
â Michael
1 hour ago
3
@Michael I have no clue. But if this comment starts getting upvotes, then we'll know something funny is going on. XD
â Frpzzd
1 hour ago