No moves at all, not even to put yourself in check

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stalemate max



Here, white is stalemated. The king is not in check, but white has no legal moves. Not because any move white makes would put the king in check -- which is how stalemates normally happen -- but because no white piece can move at all, even if we temporarily ignore the no-self-check rule.



(Black is not stalemated: king takes bishop.)



Now, this example is a bit wasteful, 62 white pieces plus the two kings. Also, it can't be reached from the starting position.



Come up with an example, using the fewest pieces (total both sides). Can it actually be reached from the starting position?



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there is essentially only one answer











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    If I'm black in the above example, I think I'm happy with the draw.
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stalemate max



Here, white is stalemated. The king is not in check, but white has no legal moves. Not because any move white makes would put the king in check -- which is how stalemates normally happen -- but because no white piece can move at all, even if we temporarily ignore the no-self-check rule.



(Black is not stalemated: king takes bishop.)



Now, this example is a bit wasteful, 62 white pieces plus the two kings. Also, it can't be reached from the starting position.



Come up with an example, using the fewest pieces (total both sides). Can it actually be reached from the starting position?



Small hint:




there is essentially only one answer











share|improve this question



















  • 1




    If I'm black in the above example, I think I'm happy with the draw.
    – jafe
    13 mins ago












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up vote
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stalemate max



Here, white is stalemated. The king is not in check, but white has no legal moves. Not because any move white makes would put the king in check -- which is how stalemates normally happen -- but because no white piece can move at all, even if we temporarily ignore the no-self-check rule.



(Black is not stalemated: king takes bishop.)



Now, this example is a bit wasteful, 62 white pieces plus the two kings. Also, it can't be reached from the starting position.



Come up with an example, using the fewest pieces (total both sides). Can it actually be reached from the starting position?



Small hint:




there is essentially only one answer











share|improve this question















stalemate max



Here, white is stalemated. The king is not in check, but white has no legal moves. Not because any move white makes would put the king in check -- which is how stalemates normally happen -- but because no white piece can move at all, even if we temporarily ignore the no-self-check rule.



(Black is not stalemated: king takes bishop.)



Now, this example is a bit wasteful, 62 white pieces plus the two kings. Also, it can't be reached from the starting position.



Come up with an example, using the fewest pieces (total both sides). Can it actually be reached from the starting position?



Small hint:




there is essentially only one answer








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deep thought

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    If I'm black in the above example, I think I'm happy with the draw.
    – jafe
    13 mins ago












  • 1




    If I'm black in the above example, I think I'm happy with the draw.
    – jafe
    13 mins ago







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If I'm black in the above example, I think I'm happy with the draw.
– jafe
13 mins ago




If I'm black in the above example, I think I'm happy with the draw.
– jafe
13 mins ago










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Here are my first idea (both sides are essentially the same answer, so the hint fits too):




enter image description here




Both positions seem to be independently reachable by a legal game. It might be possible to find a legal game leading to the whole position too, but that would take a bit of time.



Before that, I'm going to double check for any simpler solutions. :-)



Since OP commented that only one side needs to be stalemated in this rigorous fashion, this should do the trick:




enter image description here







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    White needs to have promoted 4 pawns, no? There are only 3 white pawns missing.
    – jafe
    33 mins ago










  • Note only one side needs to be stalemated
    – deep thought
    33 mins ago






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    oops, there are too many same coloured bishops. Imagine the G and H files swapped for a more reachable position please :-)
    – Bass
    32 mins ago











  • +1 but still not minimal!
    – deep thought
    27 mins ago










  • Now you got it. The only other option is .. the other corner.
    – deep thought
    22 mins ago

















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The general idea is




To fill the 8th rank with major pieces which block pawns from advancing, and fill the 7th rank with pawns which block the pieces from moving. We can't have knights on the 8th, though, because they would still have 6th rank squares available.




Here's a solution with 14 pieces total.




Promote three pawns to two rooks and a bishop.

enter image description here







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  • Correct +1, but not minimal!
    – deep thought
    32 mins ago










  • @deepthought got it down to 13 :)
    – jafe
    26 mins ago










  • great! but keep going :-D
    – deep thought
    24 mins ago










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up vote
1
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accepted










Here are my first idea (both sides are essentially the same answer, so the hint fits too):




enter image description here




Both positions seem to be independently reachable by a legal game. It might be possible to find a legal game leading to the whole position too, but that would take a bit of time.



Before that, I'm going to double check for any simpler solutions. :-)



Since OP commented that only one side needs to be stalemated in this rigorous fashion, this should do the trick:




enter image description here







share|improve this answer


















  • 1




    White needs to have promoted 4 pawns, no? There are only 3 white pawns missing.
    – jafe
    33 mins ago










  • Note only one side needs to be stalemated
    – deep thought
    33 mins ago






  • 1




    oops, there are too many same coloured bishops. Imagine the G and H files swapped for a more reachable position please :-)
    – Bass
    32 mins ago











  • +1 but still not minimal!
    – deep thought
    27 mins ago










  • Now you got it. The only other option is .. the other corner.
    – deep thought
    22 mins ago














up vote
1
down vote



accepted










Here are my first idea (both sides are essentially the same answer, so the hint fits too):




enter image description here




Both positions seem to be independently reachable by a legal game. It might be possible to find a legal game leading to the whole position too, but that would take a bit of time.



Before that, I'm going to double check for any simpler solutions. :-)



Since OP commented that only one side needs to be stalemated in this rigorous fashion, this should do the trick:




enter image description here







share|improve this answer


















  • 1




    White needs to have promoted 4 pawns, no? There are only 3 white pawns missing.
    – jafe
    33 mins ago










  • Note only one side needs to be stalemated
    – deep thought
    33 mins ago






  • 1




    oops, there are too many same coloured bishops. Imagine the G and H files swapped for a more reachable position please :-)
    – Bass
    32 mins ago











  • +1 but still not minimal!
    – deep thought
    27 mins ago










  • Now you got it. The only other option is .. the other corner.
    – deep thought
    22 mins ago












up vote
1
down vote



accepted







up vote
1
down vote



accepted






Here are my first idea (both sides are essentially the same answer, so the hint fits too):




enter image description here




Both positions seem to be independently reachable by a legal game. It might be possible to find a legal game leading to the whole position too, but that would take a bit of time.



Before that, I'm going to double check for any simpler solutions. :-)



Since OP commented that only one side needs to be stalemated in this rigorous fashion, this should do the trick:




enter image description here







share|improve this answer














Here are my first idea (both sides are essentially the same answer, so the hint fits too):




enter image description here




Both positions seem to be independently reachable by a legal game. It might be possible to find a legal game leading to the whole position too, but that would take a bit of time.



Before that, I'm going to double check for any simpler solutions. :-)



Since OP commented that only one side needs to be stalemated in this rigorous fashion, this should do the trick:




enter image description here








share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








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answered 34 mins ago









Bass

23.6k458153




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    White needs to have promoted 4 pawns, no? There are only 3 white pawns missing.
    – jafe
    33 mins ago










  • Note only one side needs to be stalemated
    – deep thought
    33 mins ago






  • 1




    oops, there are too many same coloured bishops. Imagine the G and H files swapped for a more reachable position please :-)
    – Bass
    32 mins ago











  • +1 but still not minimal!
    – deep thought
    27 mins ago










  • Now you got it. The only other option is .. the other corner.
    – deep thought
    22 mins ago












  • 1




    White needs to have promoted 4 pawns, no? There are only 3 white pawns missing.
    – jafe
    33 mins ago










  • Note only one side needs to be stalemated
    – deep thought
    33 mins ago






  • 1




    oops, there are too many same coloured bishops. Imagine the G and H files swapped for a more reachable position please :-)
    – Bass
    32 mins ago











  • +1 but still not minimal!
    – deep thought
    27 mins ago










  • Now you got it. The only other option is .. the other corner.
    – deep thought
    22 mins ago







1




1




White needs to have promoted 4 pawns, no? There are only 3 white pawns missing.
– jafe
33 mins ago




White needs to have promoted 4 pawns, no? There are only 3 white pawns missing.
– jafe
33 mins ago












Note only one side needs to be stalemated
– deep thought
33 mins ago




Note only one side needs to be stalemated
– deep thought
33 mins ago




1




1




oops, there are too many same coloured bishops. Imagine the G and H files swapped for a more reachable position please :-)
– Bass
32 mins ago





oops, there are too many same coloured bishops. Imagine the G and H files swapped for a more reachable position please :-)
– Bass
32 mins ago













+1 but still not minimal!
– deep thought
27 mins ago




+1 but still not minimal!
– deep thought
27 mins ago












Now you got it. The only other option is .. the other corner.
– deep thought
22 mins ago




Now you got it. The only other option is .. the other corner.
– deep thought
22 mins ago










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3
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The general idea is




To fill the 8th rank with major pieces which block pawns from advancing, and fill the 7th rank with pawns which block the pieces from moving. We can't have knights on the 8th, though, because they would still have 6th rank squares available.




Here's a solution with 14 pieces total.




Promote three pawns to two rooks and a bishop.

enter image description here







share|improve this answer






















  • Correct +1, but not minimal!
    – deep thought
    32 mins ago










  • @deepthought got it down to 13 :)
    – jafe
    26 mins ago










  • great! but keep going :-D
    – deep thought
    24 mins ago














up vote
3
down vote













The general idea is




To fill the 8th rank with major pieces which block pawns from advancing, and fill the 7th rank with pawns which block the pieces from moving. We can't have knights on the 8th, though, because they would still have 6th rank squares available.




Here's a solution with 14 pieces total.




Promote three pawns to two rooks and a bishop.

enter image description here







share|improve this answer






















  • Correct +1, but not minimal!
    – deep thought
    32 mins ago










  • @deepthought got it down to 13 :)
    – jafe
    26 mins ago










  • great! but keep going :-D
    – deep thought
    24 mins ago












up vote
3
down vote










up vote
3
down vote









The general idea is




To fill the 8th rank with major pieces which block pawns from advancing, and fill the 7th rank with pawns which block the pieces from moving. We can't have knights on the 8th, though, because they would still have 6th rank squares available.




Here's a solution with 14 pieces total.




Promote three pawns to two rooks and a bishop.

enter image description here







share|improve this answer














The general idea is




To fill the 8th rank with major pieces which block pawns from advancing, and fill the 7th rank with pawns which block the pieces from moving. We can't have knights on the 8th, though, because they would still have 6th rank squares available.




Here's a solution with 14 pieces total.




Promote three pawns to two rooks and a bishop.

enter image description here








share|improve this answer














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jafe

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  • Correct +1, but not minimal!
    – deep thought
    32 mins ago










  • @deepthought got it down to 13 :)
    – jafe
    26 mins ago










  • great! but keep going :-D
    – deep thought
    24 mins ago
















  • Correct +1, but not minimal!
    – deep thought
    32 mins ago










  • @deepthought got it down to 13 :)
    – jafe
    26 mins ago










  • great! but keep going :-D
    – deep thought
    24 mins ago















Correct +1, but not minimal!
– deep thought
32 mins ago




Correct +1, but not minimal!
– deep thought
32 mins ago












@deepthought got it down to 13 :)
– jafe
26 mins ago




@deepthought got it down to 13 :)
– jafe
26 mins ago












great! but keep going :-D
– deep thought
24 mins ago




great! but keep going :-D
– deep thought
24 mins ago

















 

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