Colleagues present same data analysis for years, each time with different âframingâ. Ethical?
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I have seen colleagues present the same data analysis multiple times over several years.
Each time, what the study is supposedly "about" is different, sometimes even using different theories and claiming to have a new research question. But the data analysis remains pretty much the same, maybe some new control variables or a different regression technique.
This is explained as having the previous paper rejected at a journal and needing to change the "framing" of the paper.
Is the behavior of my colleagues ethical?
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I have seen colleagues present the same data analysis multiple times over several years.
Each time, what the study is supposedly "about" is different, sometimes even using different theories and claiming to have a new research question. But the data analysis remains pretty much the same, maybe some new control variables or a different regression technique.
This is explained as having the previous paper rejected at a journal and needing to change the "framing" of the paper.
Is the behavior of my colleagues ethical?
ethics
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How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
â Buffy
33 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
â BrianH
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Should âÂÂethicalâ be replaced by âÂÂlazyâÂÂ?
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I have seen colleagues present the same data analysis multiple times over several years.
Each time, what the study is supposedly "about" is different, sometimes even using different theories and claiming to have a new research question. But the data analysis remains pretty much the same, maybe some new control variables or a different regression technique.
This is explained as having the previous paper rejected at a journal and needing to change the "framing" of the paper.
Is the behavior of my colleagues ethical?
ethics
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I have seen colleagues present the same data analysis multiple times over several years.
Each time, what the study is supposedly "about" is different, sometimes even using different theories and claiming to have a new research question. But the data analysis remains pretty much the same, maybe some new control variables or a different regression technique.
This is explained as having the previous paper rejected at a journal and needing to change the "framing" of the paper.
Is the behavior of my colleagues ethical?
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How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
â Buffy
33 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
â BrianH
2 mins ago
Should âÂÂethicalâ be replaced by âÂÂlazyâÂÂ?
â Solar Mike
44 secs ago
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How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
â Buffy
33 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
â BrianH
2 mins ago
Should âÂÂethicalâ be replaced by âÂÂlazyâÂÂ?
â Solar Mike
44 secs ago
How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
â Buffy
33 mins ago
How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
â Buffy
33 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
â BrianH
2 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
â BrianH
2 mins ago
Should âÂÂethicalâ be replaced by âÂÂlazyâÂÂ?
â Solar Mike
44 secs ago
Should âÂÂethicalâ be replaced by âÂÂlazyâÂÂ?
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What venue are they âÂÂpresentingâ the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical âÂÂsalami-slicingâÂÂ. ThatâÂÂs because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: youâÂÂre not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isnâÂÂt whatâÂÂs happening here, if your colleagues havenâÂÂt succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue theyâÂÂre presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields IâÂÂm familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people wonâÂÂt be very excited or impressed, but it wonâÂÂt be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again thereâÂÂs no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
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It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mineâ¦
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2 Answers
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active
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up vote
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What venue are they âÂÂpresentingâ the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical âÂÂsalami-slicingâÂÂ. ThatâÂÂs because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: youâÂÂre not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isnâÂÂt whatâÂÂs happening here, if your colleagues havenâÂÂt succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue theyâÂÂre presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields IâÂÂm familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people wonâÂÂt be very excited or impressed, but it wonâÂÂt be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again thereâÂÂs no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
â damian
52 mins ago
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What venue are they âÂÂpresentingâ the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical âÂÂsalami-slicingâÂÂ. ThatâÂÂs because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: youâÂÂre not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isnâÂÂt whatâÂÂs happening here, if your colleagues havenâÂÂt succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue theyâÂÂre presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields IâÂÂm familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people wonâÂÂt be very excited or impressed, but it wonâÂÂt be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again thereâÂÂs no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
2
I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
â damian
52 mins ago
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up vote
3
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up vote
3
down vote
What venue are they âÂÂpresentingâ the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical âÂÂsalami-slicingâÂÂ. ThatâÂÂs because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: youâÂÂre not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isnâÂÂt whatâÂÂs happening here, if your colleagues havenâÂÂt succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue theyâÂÂre presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields IâÂÂm familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people wonâÂÂt be very excited or impressed, but it wonâÂÂt be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again thereâÂÂs no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
What venue are they âÂÂpresentingâ the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical âÂÂsalami-slicingâÂÂ. ThatâÂÂs because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: youâÂÂre not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isnâÂÂt whatâÂÂs happening here, if your colleagues havenâÂÂt succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue theyâÂÂre presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields IâÂÂm familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people wonâÂÂt be very excited or impressed, but it wonâÂÂt be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again thereâÂÂs no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
â damian
52 mins ago
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
â damian
52 mins ago
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
â damian
52 mins ago
I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
â damian
52 mins ago
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It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
3
I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mineâ¦
â PLL
49 mins ago
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up vote
1
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It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
3
I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mineâ¦
â PLL
49 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
answered 53 mins ago
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mineâ¦
â PLL
49 mins ago
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mineâ¦
â PLL
49 mins ago
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mineâ¦
â PLL
49 mins ago
I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mineâ¦
â PLL
49 mins ago
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How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
â Buffy
33 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
â BrianH
2 mins ago
Should âÂÂethicalâ be replaced by âÂÂlazyâÂÂ?
â Solar Mike
44 secs ago