How to vertically space all-caps lines with accented characters like circumflexes

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I'm trying to lay out a block of several lines of all-caps copy. I want the lines to be evenly spaced. However when letters such as Ô and È are included in a line, they "collide" with the preceding row.



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ALL CAPS accents causing issues!



Are there any rules of thumb for handling this?










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    I'm trying to lay out a block of several lines of all-caps copy. I want the lines to be evenly spaced. However when letters such as Ô and È are included in a line, they "collide" with the preceding row.



    Here's a quick example:



    ALL CAPS accents causing issues!



    Are there any rules of thumb for handling this?










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      I'm trying to lay out a block of several lines of all-caps copy. I want the lines to be evenly spaced. However when letters such as Ô and È are included in a line, they "collide" with the preceding row.



      Here's a quick example:



      ALL CAPS accents causing issues!



      Are there any rules of thumb for handling this?










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      I'm trying to lay out a block of several lines of all-caps copy. I want the lines to be evenly spaced. However when letters such as Ô and È are included in a line, they "collide" with the preceding row.



      Here's a quick example:



      ALL CAPS accents causing issues!



      Are there any rules of thumb for handling this?







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          In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.



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          enter image description here



          In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.



          enter image description here



          enter image description here



          Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.



          your text






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            Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
            – James
            Aug 31 at 11:14






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            Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
            – supercat
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          • @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
            – joojaa
            Aug 31 at 16:26

















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          If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.



          Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3



          They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.






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          • Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
            – James
            Aug 31 at 15:07


















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          Really your only option here would seem to be to increase the leading. You can get titling fonts that have custom condensed accents. Fonts In Use shows some examples: e.g. see this modified umlaut in a German case, but I don't feel that fits with the design of your font. It's quite airy and spacious; my feeling is that this kind of modified accent tends to go best with bold geometric fonts, where people are willing to take a bit more abstraction from normal alphabetic forms.






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            up vote
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            accepted










            In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.



            First



            enter image description here



            In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.



            enter image description here



            enter image description here



            Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.



            your text






            share|improve this answer


















            • 1




              Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
              – James
              Aug 31 at 11:14






            • 1




              Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
              – supercat
              Aug 31 at 15:38











            • @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
              – joojaa
              Aug 31 at 16:26














            up vote
            7
            down vote



            accepted










            In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.



            First



            enter image description here



            In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.



            enter image description here



            enter image description here



            Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.



            your text






            share|improve this answer


















            • 1




              Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
              – James
              Aug 31 at 11:14






            • 1




              Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
              – supercat
              Aug 31 at 15:38











            • @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
              – joojaa
              Aug 31 at 16:26












            up vote
            7
            down vote



            accepted







            up vote
            7
            down vote



            accepted






            In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.



            First



            enter image description here



            In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.



            enter image description here



            enter image description here



            Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.



            your text






            share|improve this answer














            In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.



            First



            enter image description here



            In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.



            enter image description here



            enter image description here



            Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.



            your text







            share|improve this answer














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              Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
              – James
              Aug 31 at 11:14






            • 1




              Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
              – supercat
              Aug 31 at 15:38











            • @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
              – joojaa
              Aug 31 at 16:26












            • 1




              Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
              – James
              Aug 31 at 11:14






            • 1




              Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
              – supercat
              Aug 31 at 15:38











            • @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
              – joojaa
              Aug 31 at 16:26







            1




            1




            Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
            – James
            Aug 31 at 11:14




            Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
            – James
            Aug 31 at 11:14




            1




            1




            Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
            – supercat
            Aug 31 at 15:38





            Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
            – supercat
            Aug 31 at 15:38













            @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
            – joojaa
            Aug 31 at 16:26




            @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
            – joojaa
            Aug 31 at 16:26










            up vote
            4
            down vote













            If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.



            Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3



            They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.






            share|improve this answer




















            • Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
              – James
              Aug 31 at 15:07















            up vote
            4
            down vote













            If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.



            Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3



            They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.






            share|improve this answer




















            • Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
              – James
              Aug 31 at 15:07













            up vote
            4
            down vote










            up vote
            4
            down vote









            If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.



            Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3



            They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.






            share|improve this answer












            If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.



            Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3



            They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.







            share|improve this answer












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            • Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
              – James
              Aug 31 at 15:07

















            • Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
              – James
              Aug 31 at 15:07
















            Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
            – James
            Aug 31 at 15:07





            Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
            – James
            Aug 31 at 15:07











            up vote
            2
            down vote













            Really your only option here would seem to be to increase the leading. You can get titling fonts that have custom condensed accents. Fonts In Use shows some examples: e.g. see this modified umlaut in a German case, but I don't feel that fits with the design of your font. It's quite airy and spacious; my feeling is that this kind of modified accent tends to go best with bold geometric fonts, where people are willing to take a bit more abstraction from normal alphabetic forms.






            share|improve this answer


























              up vote
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              down vote













              Really your only option here would seem to be to increase the leading. You can get titling fonts that have custom condensed accents. Fonts In Use shows some examples: e.g. see this modified umlaut in a German case, but I don't feel that fits with the design of your font. It's quite airy and spacious; my feeling is that this kind of modified accent tends to go best with bold geometric fonts, where people are willing to take a bit more abstraction from normal alphabetic forms.






              share|improve this answer
























                up vote
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                up vote
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                down vote









                Really your only option here would seem to be to increase the leading. You can get titling fonts that have custom condensed accents. Fonts In Use shows some examples: e.g. see this modified umlaut in a German case, but I don't feel that fits with the design of your font. It's quite airy and spacious; my feeling is that this kind of modified accent tends to go best with bold geometric fonts, where people are willing to take a bit more abstraction from normal alphabetic forms.






                share|improve this answer














                Really your only option here would seem to be to increase the leading. You can get titling fonts that have custom condensed accents. Fonts In Use shows some examples: e.g. see this modified umlaut in a German case, but I don't feel that fits with the design of your font. It's quite airy and spacious; my feeling is that this kind of modified accent tends to go best with bold geometric fonts, where people are willing to take a bit more abstraction from normal alphabetic forms.







                share|improve this answer














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