Does less have a feature like tail --follow=name (-F)

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The command less can be used to replace tail in



tail -f file


to provide features like handling binary output and navigating the scrollback:



less +F file


The + prefix means "pretend I type that after startup", and the key F starts following.



But can less also replace



tail --follow=name file


which follows file even if the actual file gets deleted or moved away, like a log file that is moved to file.log.1, and then a new file is created with the same name as the followed file?










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    You could try with less --follow-name or less --follow-name +F
    – don_crissti
    Apr 14 '15 at 20:41










  • @don_crissti Nice... less --follow-name +F is it - no idea how I missed that - I was pretty sure I searched the man page for follow... strange. Make it an answer!
    – Volker Siegel
    Apr 14 '15 at 23:48










  • Well, some more searching reveals it's already been asked and answered here so I'll leave it as a comment. You can always upvote the answer there.
    – don_crissti
    Apr 15 '15 at 0:35










  • @don_crissti Right... except that your correct answer is not found there - --follow-name is described, but +F is never mentioned, and I think it's pretty important because it's not widely known obviously.
    – Volker Siegel
    Apr 15 '15 at 0:45










  • If you came here because of a Google search for less follow, READ THE QUESTION. It already answers how to make less follow file changes!
    – Hubert Grzeskowiak
    Aug 15 '17 at 8:27














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The command less can be used to replace tail in



tail -f file


to provide features like handling binary output and navigating the scrollback:



less +F file


The + prefix means "pretend I type that after startup", and the key F starts following.



But can less also replace



tail --follow=name file


which follows file even if the actual file gets deleted or moved away, like a log file that is moved to file.log.1, and then a new file is created with the same name as the followed file?










share|improve this question



















  • 1




    You could try with less --follow-name or less --follow-name +F
    – don_crissti
    Apr 14 '15 at 20:41










  • @don_crissti Nice... less --follow-name +F is it - no idea how I missed that - I was pretty sure I searched the man page for follow... strange. Make it an answer!
    – Volker Siegel
    Apr 14 '15 at 23:48










  • Well, some more searching reveals it's already been asked and answered here so I'll leave it as a comment. You can always upvote the answer there.
    – don_crissti
    Apr 15 '15 at 0:35










  • @don_crissti Right... except that your correct answer is not found there - --follow-name is described, but +F is never mentioned, and I think it's pretty important because it's not widely known obviously.
    – Volker Siegel
    Apr 15 '15 at 0:45










  • If you came here because of a Google search for less follow, READ THE QUESTION. It already answers how to make less follow file changes!
    – Hubert Grzeskowiak
    Aug 15 '17 at 8:27












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The command less can be used to replace tail in



tail -f file


to provide features like handling binary output and navigating the scrollback:



less +F file


The + prefix means "pretend I type that after startup", and the key F starts following.



But can less also replace



tail --follow=name file


which follows file even if the actual file gets deleted or moved away, like a log file that is moved to file.log.1, and then a new file is created with the same name as the followed file?










share|improve this question















The command less can be used to replace tail in



tail -f file


to provide features like handling binary output and navigating the scrollback:



less +F file


The + prefix means "pretend I type that after startup", and the key F starts following.



But can less also replace



tail --follow=name file


which follows file even if the actual file gets deleted or moved away, like a log file that is moved to file.log.1, and then a new file is created with the same name as the followed file?







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    You could try with less --follow-name or less --follow-name +F
    – don_crissti
    Apr 14 '15 at 20:41










  • @don_crissti Nice... less --follow-name +F is it - no idea how I missed that - I was pretty sure I searched the man page for follow... strange. Make it an answer!
    – Volker Siegel
    Apr 14 '15 at 23:48










  • Well, some more searching reveals it's already been asked and answered here so I'll leave it as a comment. You can always upvote the answer there.
    – don_crissti
    Apr 15 '15 at 0:35










  • @don_crissti Right... except that your correct answer is not found there - --follow-name is described, but +F is never mentioned, and I think it's pretty important because it's not widely known obviously.
    – Volker Siegel
    Apr 15 '15 at 0:45










  • If you came here because of a Google search for less follow, READ THE QUESTION. It already answers how to make less follow file changes!
    – Hubert Grzeskowiak
    Aug 15 '17 at 8:27












  • 1




    You could try with less --follow-name or less --follow-name +F
    – don_crissti
    Apr 14 '15 at 20:41










  • @don_crissti Nice... less --follow-name +F is it - no idea how I missed that - I was pretty sure I searched the man page for follow... strange. Make it an answer!
    – Volker Siegel
    Apr 14 '15 at 23:48










  • Well, some more searching reveals it's already been asked and answered here so I'll leave it as a comment. You can always upvote the answer there.
    – don_crissti
    Apr 15 '15 at 0:35










  • @don_crissti Right... except that your correct answer is not found there - --follow-name is described, but +F is never mentioned, and I think it's pretty important because it's not widely known obviously.
    – Volker Siegel
    Apr 15 '15 at 0:45










  • If you came here because of a Google search for less follow, READ THE QUESTION. It already answers how to make less follow file changes!
    – Hubert Grzeskowiak
    Aug 15 '17 at 8:27







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You could try with less --follow-name or less --follow-name +F
– don_crissti
Apr 14 '15 at 20:41




You could try with less --follow-name or less --follow-name +F
– don_crissti
Apr 14 '15 at 20:41












@don_crissti Nice... less --follow-name +F is it - no idea how I missed that - I was pretty sure I searched the man page for follow... strange. Make it an answer!
– Volker Siegel
Apr 14 '15 at 23:48




@don_crissti Nice... less --follow-name +F is it - no idea how I missed that - I was pretty sure I searched the man page for follow... strange. Make it an answer!
– Volker Siegel
Apr 14 '15 at 23:48












Well, some more searching reveals it's already been asked and answered here so I'll leave it as a comment. You can always upvote the answer there.
– don_crissti
Apr 15 '15 at 0:35




Well, some more searching reveals it's already been asked and answered here so I'll leave it as a comment. You can always upvote the answer there.
– don_crissti
Apr 15 '15 at 0:35












@don_crissti Right... except that your correct answer is not found there - --follow-name is described, but +F is never mentioned, and I think it's pretty important because it's not widely known obviously.
– Volker Siegel
Apr 15 '15 at 0:45




@don_crissti Right... except that your correct answer is not found there - --follow-name is described, but +F is never mentioned, and I think it's pretty important because it's not widely known obviously.
– Volker Siegel
Apr 15 '15 at 0:45












If you came here because of a Google search for less follow, READ THE QUESTION. It already answers how to make less follow file changes!
– Hubert Grzeskowiak
Aug 15 '17 at 8:27




If you came here because of a Google search for less follow, READ THE QUESTION. It already answers how to make less follow file changes!
– Hubert Grzeskowiak
Aug 15 '17 at 8:27










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Yes, less can follow by file name



The feature has a fairly obscure syntax:



less --follow-name +F file.log


With less, --follow-name is different from the tail option --follow=name.

It does not make less follow the file, instead it modifies the behaviour of the command key F inside of less to follow based on the file name, not the file descriptor.



Also, there is no normal option to start less in follow mode.

But you can use the command line to give keystrokes to execute after startup, by prefixing them with +.

Combining the modifier option with +F, less will actually start in the (modified) follow mode.



Use +F alone for the equivalent of plain tail -f:



less +F file.log





share|improve this answer






















  • I suspect that if you follow an infinite stream with less, this will eventually exhaust your memory because unlike tail -f, the amount of memory used is not limited by the terminal scrollback limit (unless the terminal scrollback limit is also infinite). less +F has to preserve the entire scrollback history, and cannot rely on reloading slices from a file on the harddisk.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 3 '17 at 2:31











  • @CMCDragonkai Interesting point. less has options to control the buffer size used per file (-b and -B), it's not obvious to me whether the size is limited by default.
    – Volker Siegel
    May 8 '17 at 18:04










  • The man page for -B says that "By default, when data is read from a pipe, buffers are allocated automatically as needed. If a large amount of data is read from the pipe, this can cause a large amount of memory to be allocated. The -B option disables this automatic allocation of buffers for pipes, so that only 64 K ( or the amount of space specified by the -b option) is used for the pipe.". So that means when reading from a infinite pipe, infinite memory is allocated by default, but if reading from a file like a log file, then 64 K slices is used by default.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 10 '17 at 7:02

















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1
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In Fedora at least less has a +F option that follows the contents of a file just like tail -f does..



Update, try hitting F in less to toggle to follow mode as well






share|improve this answer






















  • Are you sure? My less has a conflicting option named the same, -F: The man page of less says: -F or --quit-if-one-screen. Which version of less do you have? Mine says less 458 with the option -V.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 11:59










  • unix.stackexchange.com/questions/467/…
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:03










  • Very interesting, thanks for the link! That seems not to be a gnu less. The full first line of less -V is less 458 (GNU regular expressions). Please give me your version.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • Yes I am sure, but go ahead and down vote me, stackexchange needs to share the love
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • (mingw) less 481 (PCRE regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2015 Mark Nudelman (fedora) less 487 (POSIX regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2016 Mark Nudelman
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:09











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Yes, less can follow by file name



The feature has a fairly obscure syntax:



less --follow-name +F file.log


With less, --follow-name is different from the tail option --follow=name.

It does not make less follow the file, instead it modifies the behaviour of the command key F inside of less to follow based on the file name, not the file descriptor.



Also, there is no normal option to start less in follow mode.

But you can use the command line to give keystrokes to execute after startup, by prefixing them with +.

Combining the modifier option with +F, less will actually start in the (modified) follow mode.



Use +F alone for the equivalent of plain tail -f:



less +F file.log





share|improve this answer






















  • I suspect that if you follow an infinite stream with less, this will eventually exhaust your memory because unlike tail -f, the amount of memory used is not limited by the terminal scrollback limit (unless the terminal scrollback limit is also infinite). less +F has to preserve the entire scrollback history, and cannot rely on reloading slices from a file on the harddisk.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 3 '17 at 2:31











  • @CMCDragonkai Interesting point. less has options to control the buffer size used per file (-b and -B), it's not obvious to me whether the size is limited by default.
    – Volker Siegel
    May 8 '17 at 18:04










  • The man page for -B says that "By default, when data is read from a pipe, buffers are allocated automatically as needed. If a large amount of data is read from the pipe, this can cause a large amount of memory to be allocated. The -B option disables this automatic allocation of buffers for pipes, so that only 64 K ( or the amount of space specified by the -b option) is used for the pipe.". So that means when reading from a infinite pipe, infinite memory is allocated by default, but if reading from a file like a log file, then 64 K slices is used by default.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 10 '17 at 7:02














up vote
30
down vote



accepted










Yes, less can follow by file name



The feature has a fairly obscure syntax:



less --follow-name +F file.log


With less, --follow-name is different from the tail option --follow=name.

It does not make less follow the file, instead it modifies the behaviour of the command key F inside of less to follow based on the file name, not the file descriptor.



Also, there is no normal option to start less in follow mode.

But you can use the command line to give keystrokes to execute after startup, by prefixing them with +.

Combining the modifier option with +F, less will actually start in the (modified) follow mode.



Use +F alone for the equivalent of plain tail -f:



less +F file.log





share|improve this answer






















  • I suspect that if you follow an infinite stream with less, this will eventually exhaust your memory because unlike tail -f, the amount of memory used is not limited by the terminal scrollback limit (unless the terminal scrollback limit is also infinite). less +F has to preserve the entire scrollback history, and cannot rely on reloading slices from a file on the harddisk.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 3 '17 at 2:31











  • @CMCDragonkai Interesting point. less has options to control the buffer size used per file (-b and -B), it's not obvious to me whether the size is limited by default.
    – Volker Siegel
    May 8 '17 at 18:04










  • The man page for -B says that "By default, when data is read from a pipe, buffers are allocated automatically as needed. If a large amount of data is read from the pipe, this can cause a large amount of memory to be allocated. The -B option disables this automatic allocation of buffers for pipes, so that only 64 K ( or the amount of space specified by the -b option) is used for the pipe.". So that means when reading from a infinite pipe, infinite memory is allocated by default, but if reading from a file like a log file, then 64 K slices is used by default.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 10 '17 at 7:02












up vote
30
down vote



accepted







up vote
30
down vote



accepted






Yes, less can follow by file name



The feature has a fairly obscure syntax:



less --follow-name +F file.log


With less, --follow-name is different from the tail option --follow=name.

It does not make less follow the file, instead it modifies the behaviour of the command key F inside of less to follow based on the file name, not the file descriptor.



Also, there is no normal option to start less in follow mode.

But you can use the command line to give keystrokes to execute after startup, by prefixing them with +.

Combining the modifier option with +F, less will actually start in the (modified) follow mode.



Use +F alone for the equivalent of plain tail -f:



less +F file.log





share|improve this answer














Yes, less can follow by file name



The feature has a fairly obscure syntax:



less --follow-name +F file.log


With less, --follow-name is different from the tail option --follow=name.

It does not make less follow the file, instead it modifies the behaviour of the command key F inside of less to follow based on the file name, not the file descriptor.



Also, there is no normal option to start less in follow mode.

But you can use the command line to give keystrokes to execute after startup, by prefixing them with +.

Combining the modifier option with +F, less will actually start in the (modified) follow mode.



Use +F alone for the equivalent of plain tail -f:



less +F file.log






share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited May 8 '17 at 18:09

























answered Apr 15 '15 at 9:12









Volker Siegel

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  • I suspect that if you follow an infinite stream with less, this will eventually exhaust your memory because unlike tail -f, the amount of memory used is not limited by the terminal scrollback limit (unless the terminal scrollback limit is also infinite). less +F has to preserve the entire scrollback history, and cannot rely on reloading slices from a file on the harddisk.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 3 '17 at 2:31











  • @CMCDragonkai Interesting point. less has options to control the buffer size used per file (-b and -B), it's not obvious to me whether the size is limited by default.
    – Volker Siegel
    May 8 '17 at 18:04










  • The man page for -B says that "By default, when data is read from a pipe, buffers are allocated automatically as needed. If a large amount of data is read from the pipe, this can cause a large amount of memory to be allocated. The -B option disables this automatic allocation of buffers for pipes, so that only 64 K ( or the amount of space specified by the -b option) is used for the pipe.". So that means when reading from a infinite pipe, infinite memory is allocated by default, but if reading from a file like a log file, then 64 K slices is used by default.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 10 '17 at 7:02
















  • I suspect that if you follow an infinite stream with less, this will eventually exhaust your memory because unlike tail -f, the amount of memory used is not limited by the terminal scrollback limit (unless the terminal scrollback limit is also infinite). less +F has to preserve the entire scrollback history, and cannot rely on reloading slices from a file on the harddisk.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 3 '17 at 2:31











  • @CMCDragonkai Interesting point. less has options to control the buffer size used per file (-b and -B), it's not obvious to me whether the size is limited by default.
    – Volker Siegel
    May 8 '17 at 18:04










  • The man page for -B says that "By default, when data is read from a pipe, buffers are allocated automatically as needed. If a large amount of data is read from the pipe, this can cause a large amount of memory to be allocated. The -B option disables this automatic allocation of buffers for pipes, so that only 64 K ( or the amount of space specified by the -b option) is used for the pipe.". So that means when reading from a infinite pipe, infinite memory is allocated by default, but if reading from a file like a log file, then 64 K slices is used by default.
    – CMCDragonkai
    May 10 '17 at 7:02















I suspect that if you follow an infinite stream with less, this will eventually exhaust your memory because unlike tail -f, the amount of memory used is not limited by the terminal scrollback limit (unless the terminal scrollback limit is also infinite). less +F has to preserve the entire scrollback history, and cannot rely on reloading slices from a file on the harddisk.
– CMCDragonkai
May 3 '17 at 2:31





I suspect that if you follow an infinite stream with less, this will eventually exhaust your memory because unlike tail -f, the amount of memory used is not limited by the terminal scrollback limit (unless the terminal scrollback limit is also infinite). less +F has to preserve the entire scrollback history, and cannot rely on reloading slices from a file on the harddisk.
– CMCDragonkai
May 3 '17 at 2:31













@CMCDragonkai Interesting point. less has options to control the buffer size used per file (-b and -B), it's not obvious to me whether the size is limited by default.
– Volker Siegel
May 8 '17 at 18:04




@CMCDragonkai Interesting point. less has options to control the buffer size used per file (-b and -B), it's not obvious to me whether the size is limited by default.
– Volker Siegel
May 8 '17 at 18:04












The man page for -B says that "By default, when data is read from a pipe, buffers are allocated automatically as needed. If a large amount of data is read from the pipe, this can cause a large amount of memory to be allocated. The -B option disables this automatic allocation of buffers for pipes, so that only 64 K ( or the amount of space specified by the -b option) is used for the pipe.". So that means when reading from a infinite pipe, infinite memory is allocated by default, but if reading from a file like a log file, then 64 K slices is used by default.
– CMCDragonkai
May 10 '17 at 7:02




The man page for -B says that "By default, when data is read from a pipe, buffers are allocated automatically as needed. If a large amount of data is read from the pipe, this can cause a large amount of memory to be allocated. The -B option disables this automatic allocation of buffers for pipes, so that only 64 K ( or the amount of space specified by the -b option) is used for the pipe.". So that means when reading from a infinite pipe, infinite memory is allocated by default, but if reading from a file like a log file, then 64 K slices is used by default.
– CMCDragonkai
May 10 '17 at 7:02












up vote
1
down vote













In Fedora at least less has a +F option that follows the contents of a file just like tail -f does..



Update, try hitting F in less to toggle to follow mode as well






share|improve this answer






















  • Are you sure? My less has a conflicting option named the same, -F: The man page of less says: -F or --quit-if-one-screen. Which version of less do you have? Mine says less 458 with the option -V.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 11:59










  • unix.stackexchange.com/questions/467/…
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:03










  • Very interesting, thanks for the link! That seems not to be a gnu less. The full first line of less -V is less 458 (GNU regular expressions). Please give me your version.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • Yes I am sure, but go ahead and down vote me, stackexchange needs to share the love
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • (mingw) less 481 (PCRE regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2015 Mark Nudelman (fedora) less 487 (POSIX regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2016 Mark Nudelman
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:09















up vote
1
down vote













In Fedora at least less has a +F option that follows the contents of a file just like tail -f does..



Update, try hitting F in less to toggle to follow mode as well






share|improve this answer






















  • Are you sure? My less has a conflicting option named the same, -F: The man page of less says: -F or --quit-if-one-screen. Which version of less do you have? Mine says less 458 with the option -V.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 11:59










  • unix.stackexchange.com/questions/467/…
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:03










  • Very interesting, thanks for the link! That seems not to be a gnu less. The full first line of less -V is less 458 (GNU regular expressions). Please give me your version.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • Yes I am sure, but go ahead and down vote me, stackexchange needs to share the love
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • (mingw) less 481 (PCRE regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2015 Mark Nudelman (fedora) less 487 (POSIX regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2016 Mark Nudelman
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:09













up vote
1
down vote










up vote
1
down vote









In Fedora at least less has a +F option that follows the contents of a file just like tail -f does..



Update, try hitting F in less to toggle to follow mode as well






share|improve this answer














In Fedora at least less has a +F option that follows the contents of a file just like tail -f does..



Update, try hitting F in less to toggle to follow mode as well







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








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answered Aug 23 at 11:53









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  • Are you sure? My less has a conflicting option named the same, -F: The man page of less says: -F or --quit-if-one-screen. Which version of less do you have? Mine says less 458 with the option -V.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 11:59










  • unix.stackexchange.com/questions/467/…
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:03










  • Very interesting, thanks for the link! That seems not to be a gnu less. The full first line of less -V is less 458 (GNU regular expressions). Please give me your version.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • Yes I am sure, but go ahead and down vote me, stackexchange needs to share the love
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • (mingw) less 481 (PCRE regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2015 Mark Nudelman (fedora) less 487 (POSIX regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2016 Mark Nudelman
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:09

















  • Are you sure? My less has a conflicting option named the same, -F: The man page of less says: -F or --quit-if-one-screen. Which version of less do you have? Mine says less 458 with the option -V.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 11:59










  • unix.stackexchange.com/questions/467/…
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:03










  • Very interesting, thanks for the link! That seems not to be a gnu less. The full first line of less -V is less 458 (GNU regular expressions). Please give me your version.
    – Volker Siegel
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • Yes I am sure, but go ahead and down vote me, stackexchange needs to share the love
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:08










  • (mingw) less 481 (PCRE regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2015 Mark Nudelman (fedora) less 487 (POSIX regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2016 Mark Nudelman
    – user1529413
    Aug 23 at 12:09
















Are you sure? My less has a conflicting option named the same, -F: The man page of less says: -F or --quit-if-one-screen. Which version of less do you have? Mine says less 458 with the option -V.
– Volker Siegel
Aug 23 at 11:59




Are you sure? My less has a conflicting option named the same, -F: The man page of less says: -F or --quit-if-one-screen. Which version of less do you have? Mine says less 458 with the option -V.
– Volker Siegel
Aug 23 at 11:59












unix.stackexchange.com/questions/467/…
– user1529413
Aug 23 at 12:03




unix.stackexchange.com/questions/467/…
– user1529413
Aug 23 at 12:03












Very interesting, thanks for the link! That seems not to be a gnu less. The full first line of less -V is less 458 (GNU regular expressions). Please give me your version.
– Volker Siegel
Aug 23 at 12:08




Very interesting, thanks for the link! That seems not to be a gnu less. The full first line of less -V is less 458 (GNU regular expressions). Please give me your version.
– Volker Siegel
Aug 23 at 12:08












Yes I am sure, but go ahead and down vote me, stackexchange needs to share the love
– user1529413
Aug 23 at 12:08




Yes I am sure, but go ahead and down vote me, stackexchange needs to share the love
– user1529413
Aug 23 at 12:08












(mingw) less 481 (PCRE regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2015 Mark Nudelman (fedora) less 487 (POSIX regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2016 Mark Nudelman
– user1529413
Aug 23 at 12:09





(mingw) less 481 (PCRE regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2015 Mark Nudelman (fedora) less 487 (POSIX regular expressions) Copyright (C) 1984-2016 Mark Nudelman
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