Could we see someone walking on Mars from Earth?

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Can any telescope be capable to see some one walking on Mars? How much time dilation would there be? What is the theoretical best resolution?










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    No. But maybe if xe has a mobile phone?
    – gerrit
    Sep 6 at 8:26










  • @gerrit excellent! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Now I just have to figure out the difference between xe and ze. i.stack.imgur.com/ygrsu.jpg
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    No. But maybe if xe has a mobile phone?
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    Sep 12 at 5:58








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No. But maybe if xe has a mobile phone?
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No. But maybe if xe has a mobile phone?
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@gerrit excellent! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Now I just have to figure out the difference between xe and ze. i.stack.imgur.com/ygrsu.jpg
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@gerrit excellent! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Now I just have to figure out the difference between xe and ze. i.stack.imgur.com/ygrsu.jpg
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From here, discussing images of Mars taken by Hubble while near to its closest approach to Earth:




The telescope snapped these pictures between April 27 and May 6, 1999, when Mars was 87 million kilometres from Earth. From this distance the telescope could see Martian features as small as 19 kilometres wide.




Theoretically



Our resolution is limited by the diffraction limit:



$$ theta = frac1.22 timeslambdad$$



Where $lambda$ is the light's wavelength, $d$ is our aperture size and $theta$ is the angular resolution.



We can express $theta$ in with an object's distance $s$ and radius $r$ and use a small angle approximation:



$$theta= arctan(r/s) approx fracrs$$



If we want to resolve a ~1m human from 87 million km, we would need a telescope aperture some ~50km in diameter.



Note: techniques like interferometry can 'bypass' the diffraction limit to some extent, but imaging small objects at very large distance is inherently very hard.






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  • Thanks and +1 I know the Hubble has its limitation but is it possible in theory to see someone walking on Mars from Earth?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:09






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    @Muze To see the the lunar rover on the Moon with a telescope would require a telescope that is 75 meters in diameter. For reference, the largest telescope is 39 meters in diameter. Mars is a lot farther away than the moon.
    – called2voyage♦
    Sep 5 at 20:45






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    Jack - thanks for doing the math on resolving. 50 km would be a terrifying telescope.
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  • Really nice answer how would it look with the interferometry?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:57






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    @leftaroundabout Interferometry does bypass diffraction limit by (as you said) creating a giant aperture. But it cannot go beyond the seeing disk (atmospherical seeing) set by earth's atmosphere which is at best $0.4$ arcseconds.
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    Sep 6 at 14:46

















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It's not exactly "from earth", but the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has an instrument that should be able to just barely detect the presence of a person on the surface. They would be about a single pixel wide, so you should be able to detect their moving around but not much else.
https://mars.nasa.gov/mro/mission/instruments/hirise/



Coverage would be intermittent due to the orbiter not being overhead at all times.






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From here, discussing images of Mars taken by Hubble while near to its closest approach to Earth:




The telescope snapped these pictures between April 27 and May 6, 1999, when Mars was 87 million kilometres from Earth. From this distance the telescope could see Martian features as small as 19 kilometres wide.




Theoretically



Our resolution is limited by the diffraction limit:



$$ theta = frac1.22 timeslambdad$$



Where $lambda$ is the light's wavelength, $d$ is our aperture size and $theta$ is the angular resolution.



We can express $theta$ in with an object's distance $s$ and radius $r$ and use a small angle approximation:



$$theta= arctan(r/s) approx fracrs$$



If we want to resolve a ~1m human from 87 million km, we would need a telescope aperture some ~50km in diameter.



Note: techniques like interferometry can 'bypass' the diffraction limit to some extent, but imaging small objects at very large distance is inherently very hard.






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  • Thanks and +1 I know the Hubble has its limitation but is it possible in theory to see someone walking on Mars from Earth?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:09






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    @Muze To see the the lunar rover on the Moon with a telescope would require a telescope that is 75 meters in diameter. For reference, the largest telescope is 39 meters in diameter. Mars is a lot farther away than the moon.
    – called2voyage♦
    Sep 5 at 20:45






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    Jack - thanks for doing the math on resolving. 50 km would be a terrifying telescope.
    – called2voyage♦
    Sep 5 at 20:47










  • Really nice answer how would it look with the interferometry?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:57






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    @leftaroundabout Interferometry does bypass diffraction limit by (as you said) creating a giant aperture. But it cannot go beyond the seeing disk (atmospherical seeing) set by earth's atmosphere which is at best $0.4$ arcseconds.
    – Agile_Eagle
    Sep 6 at 14:46














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From here, discussing images of Mars taken by Hubble while near to its closest approach to Earth:




The telescope snapped these pictures between April 27 and May 6, 1999, when Mars was 87 million kilometres from Earth. From this distance the telescope could see Martian features as small as 19 kilometres wide.




Theoretically



Our resolution is limited by the diffraction limit:



$$ theta = frac1.22 timeslambdad$$



Where $lambda$ is the light's wavelength, $d$ is our aperture size and $theta$ is the angular resolution.



We can express $theta$ in with an object's distance $s$ and radius $r$ and use a small angle approximation:



$$theta= arctan(r/s) approx fracrs$$



If we want to resolve a ~1m human from 87 million km, we would need a telescope aperture some ~50km in diameter.



Note: techniques like interferometry can 'bypass' the diffraction limit to some extent, but imaging small objects at very large distance is inherently very hard.






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  • Thanks and +1 I know the Hubble has its limitation but is it possible in theory to see someone walking on Mars from Earth?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:09






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    @Muze To see the the lunar rover on the Moon with a telescope would require a telescope that is 75 meters in diameter. For reference, the largest telescope is 39 meters in diameter. Mars is a lot farther away than the moon.
    – called2voyage♦
    Sep 5 at 20:45






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    Jack - thanks for doing the math on resolving. 50 km would be a terrifying telescope.
    – called2voyage♦
    Sep 5 at 20:47










  • Really nice answer how would it look with the interferometry?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:57






  • 2




    @leftaroundabout Interferometry does bypass diffraction limit by (as you said) creating a giant aperture. But it cannot go beyond the seeing disk (atmospherical seeing) set by earth's atmosphere which is at best $0.4$ arcseconds.
    – Agile_Eagle
    Sep 6 at 14:46












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up vote
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From here, discussing images of Mars taken by Hubble while near to its closest approach to Earth:




The telescope snapped these pictures between April 27 and May 6, 1999, when Mars was 87 million kilometres from Earth. From this distance the telescope could see Martian features as small as 19 kilometres wide.




Theoretically



Our resolution is limited by the diffraction limit:



$$ theta = frac1.22 timeslambdad$$



Where $lambda$ is the light's wavelength, $d$ is our aperture size and $theta$ is the angular resolution.



We can express $theta$ in with an object's distance $s$ and radius $r$ and use a small angle approximation:



$$theta= arctan(r/s) approx fracrs$$



If we want to resolve a ~1m human from 87 million km, we would need a telescope aperture some ~50km in diameter.



Note: techniques like interferometry can 'bypass' the diffraction limit to some extent, but imaging small objects at very large distance is inherently very hard.






share|improve this answer














From here, discussing images of Mars taken by Hubble while near to its closest approach to Earth:




The telescope snapped these pictures between April 27 and May 6, 1999, when Mars was 87 million kilometres from Earth. From this distance the telescope could see Martian features as small as 19 kilometres wide.




Theoretically



Our resolution is limited by the diffraction limit:



$$ theta = frac1.22 timeslambdad$$



Where $lambda$ is the light's wavelength, $d$ is our aperture size and $theta$ is the angular resolution.



We can express $theta$ in with an object's distance $s$ and radius $r$ and use a small angle approximation:



$$theta= arctan(r/s) approx fracrs$$



If we want to resolve a ~1m human from 87 million km, we would need a telescope aperture some ~50km in diameter.



Note: techniques like interferometry can 'bypass' the diffraction limit to some extent, but imaging small objects at very large distance is inherently very hard.







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  • Thanks and +1 I know the Hubble has its limitation but is it possible in theory to see someone walking on Mars from Earth?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:09






  • 11




    @Muze To see the the lunar rover on the Moon with a telescope would require a telescope that is 75 meters in diameter. For reference, the largest telescope is 39 meters in diameter. Mars is a lot farther away than the moon.
    – called2voyage♦
    Sep 5 at 20:45






  • 4




    Jack - thanks for doing the math on resolving. 50 km would be a terrifying telescope.
    – called2voyage♦
    Sep 5 at 20:47










  • Really nice answer how would it look with the interferometry?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:57






  • 2




    @leftaroundabout Interferometry does bypass diffraction limit by (as you said) creating a giant aperture. But it cannot go beyond the seeing disk (atmospherical seeing) set by earth's atmosphere which is at best $0.4$ arcseconds.
    – Agile_Eagle
    Sep 6 at 14:46
















  • Thanks and +1 I know the Hubble has its limitation but is it possible in theory to see someone walking on Mars from Earth?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:09






  • 11




    @Muze To see the the lunar rover on the Moon with a telescope would require a telescope that is 75 meters in diameter. For reference, the largest telescope is 39 meters in diameter. Mars is a lot farther away than the moon.
    – called2voyage♦
    Sep 5 at 20:45






  • 4




    Jack - thanks for doing the math on resolving. 50 km would be a terrifying telescope.
    – called2voyage♦
    Sep 5 at 20:47










  • Really nice answer how would it look with the interferometry?
    – Muze
    Sep 5 at 20:57






  • 2




    @leftaroundabout Interferometry does bypass diffraction limit by (as you said) creating a giant aperture. But it cannot go beyond the seeing disk (atmospherical seeing) set by earth's atmosphere which is at best $0.4$ arcseconds.
    – Agile_Eagle
    Sep 6 at 14:46















Thanks and +1 I know the Hubble has its limitation but is it possible in theory to see someone walking on Mars from Earth?
– Muze
Sep 5 at 20:09




Thanks and +1 I know the Hubble has its limitation but is it possible in theory to see someone walking on Mars from Earth?
– Muze
Sep 5 at 20:09




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@Muze To see the the lunar rover on the Moon with a telescope would require a telescope that is 75 meters in diameter. For reference, the largest telescope is 39 meters in diameter. Mars is a lot farther away than the moon.
– called2voyage♦
Sep 5 at 20:45




@Muze To see the the lunar rover on the Moon with a telescope would require a telescope that is 75 meters in diameter. For reference, the largest telescope is 39 meters in diameter. Mars is a lot farther away than the moon.
– called2voyage♦
Sep 5 at 20:45




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Jack - thanks for doing the math on resolving. 50 km would be a terrifying telescope.
– called2voyage♦
Sep 5 at 20:47




Jack - thanks for doing the math on resolving. 50 km would be a terrifying telescope.
– called2voyage♦
Sep 5 at 20:47












Really nice answer how would it look with the interferometry?
– Muze
Sep 5 at 20:57




Really nice answer how would it look with the interferometry?
– Muze
Sep 5 at 20:57




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@leftaroundabout Interferometry does bypass diffraction limit by (as you said) creating a giant aperture. But it cannot go beyond the seeing disk (atmospherical seeing) set by earth's atmosphere which is at best $0.4$ arcseconds.
– Agile_Eagle
Sep 6 at 14:46




@leftaroundabout Interferometry does bypass diffraction limit by (as you said) creating a giant aperture. But it cannot go beyond the seeing disk (atmospherical seeing) set by earth's atmosphere which is at best $0.4$ arcseconds.
– Agile_Eagle
Sep 6 at 14:46










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It's not exactly "from earth", but the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has an instrument that should be able to just barely detect the presence of a person on the surface. They would be about a single pixel wide, so you should be able to detect their moving around but not much else.
https://mars.nasa.gov/mro/mission/instruments/hirise/



Coverage would be intermittent due to the orbiter not being overhead at all times.






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  • @TomSpilker This should not be a comment. It doesn't meet the criteria for a comment (which you laid out).
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    I had to get suspended (I am suspended till next year on a couple of se sites) a few time before I got all the rules. I tend to learn the hard way and thank you for the answer which is informational to me and welcomed.
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It's not exactly "from earth", but the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has an instrument that should be able to just barely detect the presence of a person on the surface. They would be about a single pixel wide, so you should be able to detect their moving around but not much else.
https://mars.nasa.gov/mro/mission/instruments/hirise/



Coverage would be intermittent due to the orbiter not being overhead at all times.






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  • Welcome to Space Exploration Stack Exchange! There are generally two types of responses to posted questions: answers, that directly address the question posed; and comments, that provide or ask for additional information or clarification, point out problems with the question (such as assumptions) that can be fixed, etc. Your response here would be more appropriate as a comment, since the question specifically refers to observation from the Earth-to-Mars distance.
    – Tom Spilker
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  • @TomSpilker This should not be a comment. It doesn't meet the criteria for a comment (which you laid out).
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  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit One other criterion for a comment—one for a situation not appropriate for new participants, so I omitted it—is for participants with sufficient reputation to advise new participants of the protocols regarding questions, answers, and comments. If you peruse the records (which would take some time!), you'll see this happening fairly frequently. MagicOctopusUm is particularly deft at this, delivering very useful advice to new participants in a friendly (exemplary of the Code of Conduct) and welcoming manner.
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It's not exactly "from earth", but the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has an instrument that should be able to just barely detect the presence of a person on the surface. They would be about a single pixel wide, so you should be able to detect their moving around but not much else.
https://mars.nasa.gov/mro/mission/instruments/hirise/



Coverage would be intermittent due to the orbiter not being overhead at all times.






share|improve this answer












It's not exactly "from earth", but the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has an instrument that should be able to just barely detect the presence of a person on the surface. They would be about a single pixel wide, so you should be able to detect their moving around but not much else.
https://mars.nasa.gov/mro/mission/instruments/hirise/



Coverage would be intermittent due to the orbiter not being overhead at all times.







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  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit One other criterion for a comment—one for a situation not appropriate for new participants, so I omitted it—is for participants with sufficient reputation to advise new participants of the protocols regarding questions, answers, and comments. If you peruse the records (which would take some time!), you'll see this happening fairly frequently. MagicOctopusUm is particularly deft at this, delivering very useful advice to new participants in a friendly (exemplary of the Code of Conduct) and welcoming manner.
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  • @MagicOctopusUm I just invoked your moniker in an example I used in a comment. I hope you don't mind!
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Welcome to Space Exploration Stack Exchange! There are generally two types of responses to posted questions: answers, that directly address the question posed; and comments, that provide or ask for additional information or clarification, point out problems with the question (such as assumptions) that can be fixed, etc. Your response here would be more appropriate as a comment, since the question specifically refers to observation from the Earth-to-Mars distance.
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@TomSpilker This should not be a comment. It doesn't meet the criteria for a comment (which you laid out).
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit One other criterion for a comment—one for a situation not appropriate for new participants, so I omitted it—is for participants with sufficient reputation to advise new participants of the protocols regarding questions, answers, and comments. If you peruse the records (which would take some time!), you'll see this happening fairly frequently. MagicOctopusUm is particularly deft at this, delivering very useful advice to new participants in a friendly (exemplary of the Code of Conduct) and welcoming manner.
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@MagicOctopusUm I just invoked your moniker in an example I used in a comment. I hope you don't mind!
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I had to get suspended (I am suspended till next year on a couple of se sites) a few time before I got all the rules. I tend to learn the hard way and thank you for the answer which is informational to me and welcomed.
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I had to get suspended (I am suspended till next year on a couple of se sites) a few time before I got all the rules. I tend to learn the hard way and thank you for the answer which is informational to me and welcomed.
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