How to auto-start a service (apache2) with Linux Mint

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(Strangley) My installed Apache2 does not start up when logging in to Linux Mint.



Running this command gets it going:



sudo service apache2 start


How should I attempt to start up this service upon each login?










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  • You could place that command in ~/.xinitrc, which will be run at startup.

    – n0pe
    Mar 8 '12 at 19:25






  • 2





    @MaxMackie On the contrary, ~/.xinitrc is run at login time, which isn't right. Apache needs to be started by root at boot time.

    – Gilles
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:23











  • @Gilles, right I forgot about that, thanks for correcting. However, why does apache need to be started at boot? Wouldn't login accomplish roughly the same thing?

    – n0pe
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:54











  • @MaxMackie Not if you don't log in immediately after boot, obviously. Also Apache doesn't run as you, so you'd have to grant it privileges. It should start at part of the boot scripts, and normally does.

    – Gilles
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:57











  • @Gilles right. Thanks for shedding light on that.

    – n0pe
    Mar 9 '12 at 0:32















11















(Strangley) My installed Apache2 does not start up when logging in to Linux Mint.



Running this command gets it going:



sudo service apache2 start


How should I attempt to start up this service upon each login?










share|improve this question






















  • You could place that command in ~/.xinitrc, which will be run at startup.

    – n0pe
    Mar 8 '12 at 19:25






  • 2





    @MaxMackie On the contrary, ~/.xinitrc is run at login time, which isn't right. Apache needs to be started by root at boot time.

    – Gilles
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:23











  • @Gilles, right I forgot about that, thanks for correcting. However, why does apache need to be started at boot? Wouldn't login accomplish roughly the same thing?

    – n0pe
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:54











  • @MaxMackie Not if you don't log in immediately after boot, obviously. Also Apache doesn't run as you, so you'd have to grant it privileges. It should start at part of the boot scripts, and normally does.

    – Gilles
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:57











  • @Gilles right. Thanks for shedding light on that.

    – n0pe
    Mar 9 '12 at 0:32













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(Strangley) My installed Apache2 does not start up when logging in to Linux Mint.



Running this command gets it going:



sudo service apache2 start


How should I attempt to start up this service upon each login?










share|improve this question














(Strangley) My installed Apache2 does not start up when logging in to Linux Mint.



Running this command gets it going:



sudo service apache2 start


How should I attempt to start up this service upon each login?







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  • You could place that command in ~/.xinitrc, which will be run at startup.

    – n0pe
    Mar 8 '12 at 19:25






  • 2





    @MaxMackie On the contrary, ~/.xinitrc is run at login time, which isn't right. Apache needs to be started by root at boot time.

    – Gilles
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:23











  • @Gilles, right I forgot about that, thanks for correcting. However, why does apache need to be started at boot? Wouldn't login accomplish roughly the same thing?

    – n0pe
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:54











  • @MaxMackie Not if you don't log in immediately after boot, obviously. Also Apache doesn't run as you, so you'd have to grant it privileges. It should start at part of the boot scripts, and normally does.

    – Gilles
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:57











  • @Gilles right. Thanks for shedding light on that.

    – n0pe
    Mar 9 '12 at 0:32

















  • You could place that command in ~/.xinitrc, which will be run at startup.

    – n0pe
    Mar 8 '12 at 19:25






  • 2





    @MaxMackie On the contrary, ~/.xinitrc is run at login time, which isn't right. Apache needs to be started by root at boot time.

    – Gilles
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:23











  • @Gilles, right I forgot about that, thanks for correcting. However, why does apache need to be started at boot? Wouldn't login accomplish roughly the same thing?

    – n0pe
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:54











  • @MaxMackie Not if you don't log in immediately after boot, obviously. Also Apache doesn't run as you, so you'd have to grant it privileges. It should start at part of the boot scripts, and normally does.

    – Gilles
    Mar 8 '12 at 23:57











  • @Gilles right. Thanks for shedding light on that.

    – n0pe
    Mar 9 '12 at 0:32
















You could place that command in ~/.xinitrc, which will be run at startup.

– n0pe
Mar 8 '12 at 19:25





You could place that command in ~/.xinitrc, which will be run at startup.

– n0pe
Mar 8 '12 at 19:25




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2





@MaxMackie On the contrary, ~/.xinitrc is run at login time, which isn't right. Apache needs to be started by root at boot time.

– Gilles
Mar 8 '12 at 23:23





@MaxMackie On the contrary, ~/.xinitrc is run at login time, which isn't right. Apache needs to be started by root at boot time.

– Gilles
Mar 8 '12 at 23:23













@Gilles, right I forgot about that, thanks for correcting. However, why does apache need to be started at boot? Wouldn't login accomplish roughly the same thing?

– n0pe
Mar 8 '12 at 23:54





@Gilles, right I forgot about that, thanks for correcting. However, why does apache need to be started at boot? Wouldn't login accomplish roughly the same thing?

– n0pe
Mar 8 '12 at 23:54













@MaxMackie Not if you don't log in immediately after boot, obviously. Also Apache doesn't run as you, so you'd have to grant it privileges. It should start at part of the boot scripts, and normally does.

– Gilles
Mar 8 '12 at 23:57





@MaxMackie Not if you don't log in immediately after boot, obviously. Also Apache doesn't run as you, so you'd have to grant it privileges. It should start at part of the boot scripts, and normally does.

– Gilles
Mar 8 '12 at 23:57













@Gilles right. Thanks for shedding light on that.

– n0pe
Mar 9 '12 at 0:32





@Gilles right. Thanks for shedding light on that.

– n0pe
Mar 9 '12 at 0:32










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Debian (Ubuntu/Linux Mint)




rcconf (CLI-GUI)



sudo apt-get install rcconf
sudo rcconf


update-rc.d



sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 add


or



sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults


RedHat/Fedora/CentOS



chkconfig



sudo chkconfig --add apache2


or



sudo chkconfig -- level 35 apache2 on





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  • Apache was already checked when I ran rcconf.

    – eoinoc
    Jun 24 '12 at 6:52











  • Running the update-rc.d command lead to an error: update-rc.d: warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

    – eoinoc
    Jun 24 '12 at 6:53












  • Have you given update-rc.d apache2 defaults or update-rc.d -f apache2 add 3 5

    – earthmeLon
    Jun 24 '12 at 20:35






  • 1





    Thanks, but neither worked. First resulted in an "already exists" warning, the second resulted in warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not batch LSB default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

    – eoinoc
    Jun 27 '12 at 19:38


















6














Since Mint is based on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu has switched to Upstart, the Upstart Cookbook has all of the info for having a service start on boot, or at any specified runlevel.



This site
Gives a detailed cookbook for starting Apache at boot.






share|improve this answer

























  • That page talks about placing a bash script in /etc/init.d/apache2. But that file is full of a much more complicated bash script already, which must have been placed there by Apache itself.

    – eoinoc
    Jun 24 '12 at 6:50


















3














Another cause of the same problem is the priority of the apache links in rc[0-6].d. Mine were S90 and K09, and Apache wouldn't start at boot. Setting the priorities at their defaults, 20, worked for me. The existing links need to be removed first.



sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 remove
sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults





share|improve this answer






























    2














    At shutdown, I saw an error:




    Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apach2/apache.conf
    ....
    /etc/apache/sites-enables/mysite: No such file or directory




    The thing was, mysite was symlinked to a file in my home folder.



    That normally shouldn't be a problem, I thought.



    But as far as I know, my home partition is encrypted. Therefore, I'm guessing that Apache could not read the virtual site file when it was loading. The file wasn't accessible until I type in my password.



    A complex situation, and took months to work it out :)






    share|improve this answer























    • So how did you work it out?

      – Jonas Äppelgran
      Dec 2 '17 at 23:10


















    0














    A new answer updated in 2019:




    sudo systemctl start httpd



    sudo systemctl enable httpd




    The systemctl command is a new tool to control the systemd system and service. This is the replacement of old SysV init system management. Most of modern Linux operating systems are using this new tool. If you are working with CentOS 7, Ubuntu 16.04 or later or Debian 9 system. They have opted systemd now.



    The enabled service autostarts on system boot. This is the similar option for systemd than chkconfig for the SysV init.






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      You might consider flipping the order, so that it's enabled before you ask it to start.

      – Jeff Schaller
      Feb 25 at 1:59










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    Debian (Ubuntu/Linux Mint)




    rcconf (CLI-GUI)



    sudo apt-get install rcconf
    sudo rcconf


    update-rc.d



    sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 add


    or



    sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults


    RedHat/Fedora/CentOS



    chkconfig



    sudo chkconfig --add apache2


    or



    sudo chkconfig -- level 35 apache2 on





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    • Apache was already checked when I ran rcconf.

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:52











    • Running the update-rc.d command lead to an error: update-rc.d: warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:53












    • Have you given update-rc.d apache2 defaults or update-rc.d -f apache2 add 3 5

      – earthmeLon
      Jun 24 '12 at 20:35






    • 1





      Thanks, but neither worked. First resulted in an "already exists" warning, the second resulted in warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not batch LSB default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

      – eoinoc
      Jun 27 '12 at 19:38















    12














    Debian (Ubuntu/Linux Mint)




    rcconf (CLI-GUI)



    sudo apt-get install rcconf
    sudo rcconf


    update-rc.d



    sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 add


    or



    sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults


    RedHat/Fedora/CentOS



    chkconfig



    sudo chkconfig --add apache2


    or



    sudo chkconfig -- level 35 apache2 on





    share|improve this answer

























    • Apache was already checked when I ran rcconf.

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:52











    • Running the update-rc.d command lead to an error: update-rc.d: warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:53












    • Have you given update-rc.d apache2 defaults or update-rc.d -f apache2 add 3 5

      – earthmeLon
      Jun 24 '12 at 20:35






    • 1





      Thanks, but neither worked. First resulted in an "already exists" warning, the second resulted in warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not batch LSB default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

      – eoinoc
      Jun 27 '12 at 19:38













    12












    12








    12







    Debian (Ubuntu/Linux Mint)




    rcconf (CLI-GUI)



    sudo apt-get install rcconf
    sudo rcconf


    update-rc.d



    sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 add


    or



    sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults


    RedHat/Fedora/CentOS



    chkconfig



    sudo chkconfig --add apache2


    or



    sudo chkconfig -- level 35 apache2 on





    share|improve this answer















    Debian (Ubuntu/Linux Mint)




    rcconf (CLI-GUI)



    sudo apt-get install rcconf
    sudo rcconf


    update-rc.d



    sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 add


    or



    sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults


    RedHat/Fedora/CentOS



    chkconfig



    sudo chkconfig --add apache2


    or



    sudo chkconfig -- level 35 apache2 on






    share|improve this answer














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    • Apache was already checked when I ran rcconf.

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:52











    • Running the update-rc.d command lead to an error: update-rc.d: warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:53












    • Have you given update-rc.d apache2 defaults or update-rc.d -f apache2 add 3 5

      – earthmeLon
      Jun 24 '12 at 20:35






    • 1





      Thanks, but neither worked. First resulted in an "already exists" warning, the second resulted in warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not batch LSB default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

      – eoinoc
      Jun 27 '12 at 19:38

















    • Apache was already checked when I ran rcconf.

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:52











    • Running the update-rc.d command lead to an error: update-rc.d: warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:53












    • Have you given update-rc.d apache2 defaults or update-rc.d -f apache2 add 3 5

      – earthmeLon
      Jun 24 '12 at 20:35






    • 1





      Thanks, but neither worked. First resulted in an "already exists" warning, the second resulted in warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not batch LSB default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

      – eoinoc
      Jun 27 '12 at 19:38
















    Apache was already checked when I ran rcconf.

    – eoinoc
    Jun 24 '12 at 6:52





    Apache was already checked when I ran rcconf.

    – eoinoc
    Jun 24 '12 at 6:52













    Running the update-rc.d command lead to an error: update-rc.d: warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

    – eoinoc
    Jun 24 '12 at 6:53






    Running the update-rc.d command lead to an error: update-rc.d: warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

    – eoinoc
    Jun 24 '12 at 6:53














    Have you given update-rc.d apache2 defaults or update-rc.d -f apache2 add 3 5

    – earthmeLon
    Jun 24 '12 at 20:35





    Have you given update-rc.d apache2 defaults or update-rc.d -f apache2 add 3 5

    – earthmeLon
    Jun 24 '12 at 20:35




    1




    1





    Thanks, but neither worked. First resulted in an "already exists" warning, the second resulted in warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not batch LSB default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

    – eoinoc
    Jun 27 '12 at 19:38





    Thanks, but neither worked. First resulted in an "already exists" warning, the second resulted in warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not batch LSB default-Start values (2 3 4 5).

    – eoinoc
    Jun 27 '12 at 19:38













    6














    Since Mint is based on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu has switched to Upstart, the Upstart Cookbook has all of the info for having a service start on boot, or at any specified runlevel.



    This site
    Gives a detailed cookbook for starting Apache at boot.






    share|improve this answer

























    • That page talks about placing a bash script in /etc/init.d/apache2. But that file is full of a much more complicated bash script already, which must have been placed there by Apache itself.

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:50















    6














    Since Mint is based on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu has switched to Upstart, the Upstart Cookbook has all of the info for having a service start on boot, or at any specified runlevel.



    This site
    Gives a detailed cookbook for starting Apache at boot.






    share|improve this answer

























    • That page talks about placing a bash script in /etc/init.d/apache2. But that file is full of a much more complicated bash script already, which must have been placed there by Apache itself.

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:50













    6












    6








    6







    Since Mint is based on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu has switched to Upstart, the Upstart Cookbook has all of the info for having a service start on boot, or at any specified runlevel.



    This site
    Gives a detailed cookbook for starting Apache at boot.






    share|improve this answer















    Since Mint is based on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu has switched to Upstart, the Upstart Cookbook has all of the info for having a service start on boot, or at any specified runlevel.



    This site
    Gives a detailed cookbook for starting Apache at boot.







    share|improve this answer














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    answered Mar 8 '12 at 19:57









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    • That page talks about placing a bash script in /etc/init.d/apache2. But that file is full of a much more complicated bash script already, which must have been placed there by Apache itself.

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:50

















    • That page talks about placing a bash script in /etc/init.d/apache2. But that file is full of a much more complicated bash script already, which must have been placed there by Apache itself.

      – eoinoc
      Jun 24 '12 at 6:50
















    That page talks about placing a bash script in /etc/init.d/apache2. But that file is full of a much more complicated bash script already, which must have been placed there by Apache itself.

    – eoinoc
    Jun 24 '12 at 6:50





    That page talks about placing a bash script in /etc/init.d/apache2. But that file is full of a much more complicated bash script already, which must have been placed there by Apache itself.

    – eoinoc
    Jun 24 '12 at 6:50











    3














    Another cause of the same problem is the priority of the apache links in rc[0-6].d. Mine were S90 and K09, and Apache wouldn't start at boot. Setting the priorities at their defaults, 20, worked for me. The existing links need to be removed first.



    sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 remove
    sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults





    share|improve this answer



























      3














      Another cause of the same problem is the priority of the apache links in rc[0-6].d. Mine were S90 and K09, and Apache wouldn't start at boot. Setting the priorities at their defaults, 20, worked for me. The existing links need to be removed first.



      sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 remove
      sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults





      share|improve this answer

























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        3








        3







        Another cause of the same problem is the priority of the apache links in rc[0-6].d. Mine were S90 and K09, and Apache wouldn't start at boot. Setting the priorities at their defaults, 20, worked for me. The existing links need to be removed first.



        sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 remove
        sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults





        share|improve this answer













        Another cause of the same problem is the priority of the apache links in rc[0-6].d. Mine were S90 and K09, and Apache wouldn't start at boot. Setting the priorities at their defaults, 20, worked for me. The existing links need to be removed first.



        sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 remove
        sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults






        share|improve this answer












        share|improve this answer



        share|improve this answer










        answered Feb 22 '13 at 17:26









        htoiphtoip

        1457




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            2














            At shutdown, I saw an error:




            Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apach2/apache.conf
            ....
            /etc/apache/sites-enables/mysite: No such file or directory




            The thing was, mysite was symlinked to a file in my home folder.



            That normally shouldn't be a problem, I thought.



            But as far as I know, my home partition is encrypted. Therefore, I'm guessing that Apache could not read the virtual site file when it was loading. The file wasn't accessible until I type in my password.



            A complex situation, and took months to work it out :)






            share|improve this answer























            • So how did you work it out?

              – Jonas Äppelgran
              Dec 2 '17 at 23:10















            2














            At shutdown, I saw an error:




            Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apach2/apache.conf
            ....
            /etc/apache/sites-enables/mysite: No such file or directory




            The thing was, mysite was symlinked to a file in my home folder.



            That normally shouldn't be a problem, I thought.



            But as far as I know, my home partition is encrypted. Therefore, I'm guessing that Apache could not read the virtual site file when it was loading. The file wasn't accessible until I type in my password.



            A complex situation, and took months to work it out :)






            share|improve this answer























            • So how did you work it out?

              – Jonas Äppelgran
              Dec 2 '17 at 23:10













            2












            2








            2







            At shutdown, I saw an error:




            Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apach2/apache.conf
            ....
            /etc/apache/sites-enables/mysite: No such file or directory




            The thing was, mysite was symlinked to a file in my home folder.



            That normally shouldn't be a problem, I thought.



            But as far as I know, my home partition is encrypted. Therefore, I'm guessing that Apache could not read the virtual site file when it was loading. The file wasn't accessible until I type in my password.



            A complex situation, and took months to work it out :)






            share|improve this answer













            At shutdown, I saw an error:




            Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apach2/apache.conf
            ....
            /etc/apache/sites-enables/mysite: No such file or directory




            The thing was, mysite was symlinked to a file in my home folder.



            That normally shouldn't be a problem, I thought.



            But as far as I know, my home partition is encrypted. Therefore, I'm guessing that Apache could not read the virtual site file when it was loading. The file wasn't accessible until I type in my password.



            A complex situation, and took months to work it out :)







            share|improve this answer












            share|improve this answer



            share|improve this answer










            answered Aug 13 '12 at 18:05









            eoinoceoinoc

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            • So how did you work it out?

              – Jonas Äppelgran
              Dec 2 '17 at 23:10

















            • So how did you work it out?

              – Jonas Äppelgran
              Dec 2 '17 at 23:10
















            So how did you work it out?

            – Jonas Äppelgran
            Dec 2 '17 at 23:10





            So how did you work it out?

            – Jonas Äppelgran
            Dec 2 '17 at 23:10











            0














            A new answer updated in 2019:




            sudo systemctl start httpd



            sudo systemctl enable httpd




            The systemctl command is a new tool to control the systemd system and service. This is the replacement of old SysV init system management. Most of modern Linux operating systems are using this new tool. If you are working with CentOS 7, Ubuntu 16.04 or later or Debian 9 system. They have opted systemd now.



            The enabled service autostarts on system boot. This is the similar option for systemd than chkconfig for the SysV init.






            share|improve this answer


















            • 1





              You might consider flipping the order, so that it's enabled before you ask it to start.

              – Jeff Schaller
              Feb 25 at 1:59















            0














            A new answer updated in 2019:




            sudo systemctl start httpd



            sudo systemctl enable httpd




            The systemctl command is a new tool to control the systemd system and service. This is the replacement of old SysV init system management. Most of modern Linux operating systems are using this new tool. If you are working with CentOS 7, Ubuntu 16.04 or later or Debian 9 system. They have opted systemd now.



            The enabled service autostarts on system boot. This is the similar option for systemd than chkconfig for the SysV init.






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              You might consider flipping the order, so that it's enabled before you ask it to start.

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            A new answer updated in 2019:




            sudo systemctl start httpd



            sudo systemctl enable httpd




            The systemctl command is a new tool to control the systemd system and service. This is the replacement of old SysV init system management. Most of modern Linux operating systems are using this new tool. If you are working with CentOS 7, Ubuntu 16.04 or later or Debian 9 system. They have opted systemd now.



            The enabled service autostarts on system boot. This is the similar option for systemd than chkconfig for the SysV init.






            share|improve this answer













            A new answer updated in 2019:




            sudo systemctl start httpd



            sudo systemctl enable httpd




            The systemctl command is a new tool to control the systemd system and service. This is the replacement of old SysV init system management. Most of modern Linux operating systems are using this new tool. If you are working with CentOS 7, Ubuntu 16.04 or later or Debian 9 system. They have opted systemd now.



            The enabled service autostarts on system boot. This is the similar option for systemd than chkconfig for the SysV init.







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              You might consider flipping the order, so that it's enabled before you ask it to start.

              – Jeff Schaller
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              You might consider flipping the order, so that it's enabled before you ask it to start.

              – Jeff Schaller
              Feb 25 at 1:59







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            You might consider flipping the order, so that it's enabled before you ask it to start.

            – Jeff Schaller
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            You might consider flipping the order, so that it's enabled before you ask it to start.

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