How can I run a cron command with existing environmental variables?

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How can I run a cron command with existing environmental variables?



If I am at a shell prompt I can type echo $ORACLE_HOME and get a path. This is one of my environmental variables that gets set in my ~/.profile. However, it seems that ~/.profile does not get loaded fron cron scripts and so my scripts fail because the $ORACLE_HOME variable is not set.



In this question the author mentions creating a ~/.cronfile profile which sets up variables for cron, and then he does a workaround to load all his cron commands into scripts he keeps in his ~/Cron directory. A file like ~/.cronfile sounds like a good idea, but the rest of the answer seems a little cumbersome and I was hoping someone could tell me an easier way to get the same result.



I suppose at the start of my scripts I could add something like source ~/.profile but that seems like it could be redundant.



So how can I get make my cron scripts load the variables from my interactive-shell profile?










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  • How is adding source ~/.profile to a program redundant? Programs inherit their environment from the calling program. If that calling program is not your shell, then how will the decendant program get the environment that you want?

    – Arcege
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  • I already wrote my answer to a similar question here. It simply uses su -l to setup a normal login environment including the $PATH for either root or other specific user.

    – tasket
    Sep 14 '18 at 18:52















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How can I run a cron command with existing environmental variables?



If I am at a shell prompt I can type echo $ORACLE_HOME and get a path. This is one of my environmental variables that gets set in my ~/.profile. However, it seems that ~/.profile does not get loaded fron cron scripts and so my scripts fail because the $ORACLE_HOME variable is not set.



In this question the author mentions creating a ~/.cronfile profile which sets up variables for cron, and then he does a workaround to load all his cron commands into scripts he keeps in his ~/Cron directory. A file like ~/.cronfile sounds like a good idea, but the rest of the answer seems a little cumbersome and I was hoping someone could tell me an easier way to get the same result.



I suppose at the start of my scripts I could add something like source ~/.profile but that seems like it could be redundant.



So how can I get make my cron scripts load the variables from my interactive-shell profile?










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  • How is adding source ~/.profile to a program redundant? Programs inherit their environment from the calling program. If that calling program is not your shell, then how will the decendant program get the environment that you want?

    – Arcege
    Dec 21 '11 at 5:08











  • I already wrote my answer to a similar question here. It simply uses su -l to setup a normal login environment including the $PATH for either root or other specific user.

    – tasket
    Sep 14 '18 at 18:52













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How can I run a cron command with existing environmental variables?



If I am at a shell prompt I can type echo $ORACLE_HOME and get a path. This is one of my environmental variables that gets set in my ~/.profile. However, it seems that ~/.profile does not get loaded fron cron scripts and so my scripts fail because the $ORACLE_HOME variable is not set.



In this question the author mentions creating a ~/.cronfile profile which sets up variables for cron, and then he does a workaround to load all his cron commands into scripts he keeps in his ~/Cron directory. A file like ~/.cronfile sounds like a good idea, but the rest of the answer seems a little cumbersome and I was hoping someone could tell me an easier way to get the same result.



I suppose at the start of my scripts I could add something like source ~/.profile but that seems like it could be redundant.



So how can I get make my cron scripts load the variables from my interactive-shell profile?










share|improve this question
















How can I run a cron command with existing environmental variables?



If I am at a shell prompt I can type echo $ORACLE_HOME and get a path. This is one of my environmental variables that gets set in my ~/.profile. However, it seems that ~/.profile does not get loaded fron cron scripts and so my scripts fail because the $ORACLE_HOME variable is not set.



In this question the author mentions creating a ~/.cronfile profile which sets up variables for cron, and then he does a workaround to load all his cron commands into scripts he keeps in his ~/Cron directory. A file like ~/.cronfile sounds like a good idea, but the rest of the answer seems a little cumbersome and I was hoping someone could tell me an easier way to get the same result.



I suppose at the start of my scripts I could add something like source ~/.profile but that seems like it could be redundant.



So how can I get make my cron scripts load the variables from my interactive-shell profile?







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  • How is adding source ~/.profile to a program redundant? Programs inherit their environment from the calling program. If that calling program is not your shell, then how will the decendant program get the environment that you want?

    – Arcege
    Dec 21 '11 at 5:08











  • I already wrote my answer to a similar question here. It simply uses su -l to setup a normal login environment including the $PATH for either root or other specific user.

    – tasket
    Sep 14 '18 at 18:52

















  • How is adding source ~/.profile to a program redundant? Programs inherit their environment from the calling program. If that calling program is not your shell, then how will the decendant program get the environment that you want?

    – Arcege
    Dec 21 '11 at 5:08











  • I already wrote my answer to a similar question here. It simply uses su -l to setup a normal login environment including the $PATH for either root or other specific user.

    – tasket
    Sep 14 '18 at 18:52
















How is adding source ~/.profile to a program redundant? Programs inherit their environment from the calling program. If that calling program is not your shell, then how will the decendant program get the environment that you want?

– Arcege
Dec 21 '11 at 5:08





How is adding source ~/.profile to a program redundant? Programs inherit their environment from the calling program. If that calling program is not your shell, then how will the decendant program get the environment that you want?

– Arcege
Dec 21 '11 at 5:08













I already wrote my answer to a similar question here. It simply uses su -l to setup a normal login environment including the $PATH for either root or other specific user.

– tasket
Sep 14 '18 at 18:52





I already wrote my answer to a similar question here. It simply uses su -l to setup a normal login environment including the $PATH for either root or other specific user.

– tasket
Sep 14 '18 at 18:52










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In the crontab, before you command, add . $HOME/.profile. For example:



0 5 * * * . $HOME/.profile; /path/to/command/to/run


Cron knows nothing about your shell; it is started by the system, so it has a minimal environment. If you want anything, you need to have that brought in yourself.






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    What does the . before the script do? (not sure how I would man that). Why is this different from source?

    – cwd
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    The . command is the original command for source. They are equivalent within the shell and a bit easier to type, especially within a crontab. To get more info, type help . or search for ^SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS in the man page for bash or at the top of man zshbuiltins. Running type .` will tell you that the command is a builtin.

    – Arcege
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    Depending on Linux distributions, you may need to change .profile by .bash_profile. Check which .profile file exists in the user's home directory.

    – Frosty Z
    May 17 '13 at 12:37











  • @Arcege This doesn't work for me (Fedora Core 21), and I presume that's because the shell level drops back down. Instead, what DOES work is if you source it.

    – Richard T
    Apr 14 '15 at 20:56







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    It's likely that if it isn't working, it's because the SHELL for the cron script isn't set to bash, so it's not executing the same way you might expect.

    – Daniel Farrell
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Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and have the environment in the script.



In crontab -e file:



SHELL=/bin/bash

*/1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh


In cron_job.sh file:



#!/bin/bash
source $HOME/.bash_profile
some_other_cmd


Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.






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    When running on an AWS Linux AMI, it didn't even occur to me that cron wouldn't be using /bin/bash as the shell. I kept wondering why things like cd /path/to/project; source .vars would work when I typed them manually but would fail (File not found) when included in a cronjob. The key line for me was setting SHELL=/bin/bash so that I could actually use familiar bash commands in each cronjob. /bin/sh/ (the default cron shell, apparently) is very limiting.

    – Hartley Brody
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  • It's too bad you can't specify Environment Files at the top of the cron like you can specify individual environment variables. Systemd has a EnvironmentFile service unit. Too bad cron doesn't have something similar.

    – radtek
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  • you FORCE all scripts to use /bin/bash in all crontab, which is not a good idea, also what is about your cron line: */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh … */1 is good for WHAT ?!? one star means it will be executed every minute /1 means will be executed every minute, as an answer in a smart community this is a nasty sin, now I believe you are very confused to say the best … sorry

    – THESorcerer
    Aug 24 '18 at 10:48






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    This is what is called an example. Feel free to adjust to your needs or don't use it at all. Different strokes for different folks.

    – Robert Brisita
    Aug 24 '18 at 11:00







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    If $SHELL is /bin/sh, the source command does not exist. Use . instead.

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Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and tell bash to login (hence using /etc/profile.d/... environment definitions)



In crontab -e file:



*/1 * * * * bash -l -c './cron_job.sh'
*/1 * * * * bash -l -c 'php -f ./cron_job.php'


Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.






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    Bad idea. The general practice is to specifically set all required environmental variables in a script that is to be run from a cron job.






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    • I agree with @fpmurphy, that ways it also ensure the secured process environment. If you want to set only few variables from cron you can use /usr/bin/env command to set the variables and then can act as the environment process for the cronjob.

      – Nikhil Mulley
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    • daemontools' envdir comes to mind, too.

      – sr_
      Dec 21 '11 at 9:42






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      I am all for security, but perhaps I can create a file ~/.cronvars and include that in the profile and also in my cron scripts. I don't want to hard code environmental variables in each of the scripts I run because when paths change hard coded paths in each file are not easy to maintain. Seems like that would allow a centralized place for the needed variables and still keep other variables from being loaded.

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    This syntax definitely helps you. I do not understand the syntax, but it works. Oracle uses this syntax, when deploys Oracle Configuration Manager to crontab, hence, I believe that this is a right solution.



    0 5 * * * SOME_ENV_VAR=some_value some_command some_parameters





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      The solution, which worked for me, is described here.



      You create a wrapper script, which calls . ~/.cronfile, and then does the things you want. This script is launched by cron.



      In ~/.cronfile you specify the environment for your cron jobs.






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        Add



        BASH_ENV=/home/user/.profile


        to the crontab. See How to guarantee availability of $BASH_ENV






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          Instead of setting profile, what helped me was setting the PATH. Some of the commands were not available in my cron scripts as the PATH is different.



          ENVIRONMENT=prod
          PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
          */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
          */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
          */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


          Setting PATH with the path of commands helped me. Even better if you can use a template and detemplatize later,



          ENVIRONMENT=ENVIRONMENT
          PATH=PATH
          */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
          */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
          */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


          Passing variables to each item looks messy.






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            I recently came across a case where I had to execute the overall cronjob as root but, at the same time, had to execute a subcommand as a different user (which required sourcing that user's environment). I went with the following approach:



            # m h dom mon dow user command
            */5 * * * * root (sudo -i -u <the user> command-to-be-run-as-user) && command-to-be-run-as-root


            The crucial part is the argument -i that's being passed to sudo which will execute the given command in a separate login shell (which in turn means that the user's dotfiles will be sourced).



            PS: Note that the user column is only available in /etc/crontab and the /etc/cron.d/* files.






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              Yes, you can using "well known workarounds" (a couple of which have been listed). This is another way of saying that everyone knows it's crappy, though some people will refer to this as a "security feature" because they have spent at least as much tripping over this fail(ure) as you have, and would like to think their wasted time wasn't for naught. It's the cron equivalent of the QWERTY keyboard.



              I suspect the original reason may have been for performance, such that scripts run once a minute wouldn't spend the time to read rc scripts. Also originally cron wasn't really configurable at all, so a default was really the only option.



              There is no added security by not having some simple configuration or method to have cron just take on the environment of your interactive shell instead of users having to perform stupid shell gymnastics. On a modern machine there is generally no perceptible performance gain unless you have a vast quantity of jobs running every minute.



              Unix culture fail. In my "humble" opinion. :-)






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                "There is no added security." That is not true. Take a look at CVE-2011-1095, CVE-2008-4304, and CVE-2010-3847.

                – user26112
                Jul 26 '13 at 2:20












              • I downvoted your answer, by the way. I usually try to avoid downvoting newcomers' answers but security is important to me. Please don't take the downvote the wrong way. Besides the part about security, your answer is excellent and would deserve an upvote. You can edit your answer here if you would like.

                – user26112
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              • None of those have the slightest thing to do with having cron use a shell with the interactive flag set. This is pure FUD. Unfortunately I can't downvote your downvote. This may seem like a flame, but it's very frustrating when people think a vehicle with three wheels is better because there's a security issue to put a fourth wheel on. It isn't. People have just ridden a tricycle so long they've forgotten it's possible to add a fourth wheel.

                – Austin S.
                Jul 26 '13 at 16:43












              • Put another way: if any of the intended extra hoops the other answerers suggested are used, how do they not also gain access to any of the holes you mention? "* * * * * exec bash -i -c LOCALE=......."

                – Austin S.
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              • This reads like a rant. I don't even see where it answers the question at all. Even if the security part were removed, @EvanTeitelman, I don't see why it would deserve an upvote as it doesn't answer the question.

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              I put . ~/.dbus/session-bus/* at the top of my desired script :)






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              In the crontab, before you command, add . $HOME/.profile. For example:



              0 5 * * * . $HOME/.profile; /path/to/command/to/run


              Cron knows nothing about your shell; it is started by the system, so it has a minimal environment. If you want anything, you need to have that brought in yourself.






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                What does the . before the script do? (not sure how I would man that). Why is this different from source?

                – cwd
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                The . command is the original command for source. They are equivalent within the shell and a bit easier to type, especially within a crontab. To get more info, type help . or search for ^SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS in the man page for bash or at the top of man zshbuiltins. Running type .` will tell you that the command is a builtin.

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                Depending on Linux distributions, you may need to change .profile by .bash_profile. Check which .profile file exists in the user's home directory.

                – Frosty Z
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              • @Arcege This doesn't work for me (Fedora Core 21), and I presume that's because the shell level drops back down. Instead, what DOES work is if you source it.

                – Richard T
                Apr 14 '15 at 20:56







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                It's likely that if it isn't working, it's because the SHELL for the cron script isn't set to bash, so it's not executing the same way you might expect.

                – Daniel Farrell
                Jul 10 '15 at 18:32















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              In the crontab, before you command, add . $HOME/.profile. For example:



              0 5 * * * . $HOME/.profile; /path/to/command/to/run


              Cron knows nothing about your shell; it is started by the system, so it has a minimal environment. If you want anything, you need to have that brought in yourself.






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                What does the . before the script do? (not sure how I would man that). Why is this different from source?

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                The . command is the original command for source. They are equivalent within the shell and a bit easier to type, especially within a crontab. To get more info, type help . or search for ^SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS in the man page for bash or at the top of man zshbuiltins. Running type .` will tell you that the command is a builtin.

                – Arcege
                Dec 21 '11 at 19:38






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                Depending on Linux distributions, you may need to change .profile by .bash_profile. Check which .profile file exists in the user's home directory.

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              • @Arcege This doesn't work for me (Fedora Core 21), and I presume that's because the shell level drops back down. Instead, what DOES work is if you source it.

                – Richard T
                Apr 14 '15 at 20:56







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                It's likely that if it isn't working, it's because the SHELL for the cron script isn't set to bash, so it's not executing the same way you might expect.

                – Daniel Farrell
                Jul 10 '15 at 18:32













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              In the crontab, before you command, add . $HOME/.profile. For example:



              0 5 * * * . $HOME/.profile; /path/to/command/to/run


              Cron knows nothing about your shell; it is started by the system, so it has a minimal environment. If you want anything, you need to have that brought in yourself.






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              In the crontab, before you command, add . $HOME/.profile. For example:



              0 5 * * * . $HOME/.profile; /path/to/command/to/run


              Cron knows nothing about your shell; it is started by the system, so it has a minimal environment. If you want anything, you need to have that brought in yourself.







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                What does the . before the script do? (not sure how I would man that). Why is this different from source?

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                The . command is the original command for source. They are equivalent within the shell and a bit easier to type, especially within a crontab. To get more info, type help . or search for ^SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS in the man page for bash or at the top of man zshbuiltins. Running type .` will tell you that the command is a builtin.

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                Depending on Linux distributions, you may need to change .profile by .bash_profile. Check which .profile file exists in the user's home directory.

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              • @Arcege This doesn't work for me (Fedora Core 21), and I presume that's because the shell level drops back down. Instead, what DOES work is if you source it.

                – Richard T
                Apr 14 '15 at 20:56







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                It's likely that if it isn't working, it's because the SHELL for the cron script isn't set to bash, so it's not executing the same way you might expect.

                – Daniel Farrell
                Jul 10 '15 at 18:32












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                What does the . before the script do? (not sure how I would man that). Why is this different from source?

                – cwd
                Dec 21 '11 at 19:26






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                The . command is the original command for source. They are equivalent within the shell and a bit easier to type, especially within a crontab. To get more info, type help . or search for ^SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS in the man page for bash or at the top of man zshbuiltins. Running type .` will tell you that the command is a builtin.

                – Arcege
                Dec 21 '11 at 19:38






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                Depending on Linux distributions, you may need to change .profile by .bash_profile. Check which .profile file exists in the user's home directory.

                – Frosty Z
                May 17 '13 at 12:37











              • @Arcege This doesn't work for me (Fedora Core 21), and I presume that's because the shell level drops back down. Instead, what DOES work is if you source it.

                – Richard T
                Apr 14 '15 at 20:56







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                It's likely that if it isn't working, it's because the SHELL for the cron script isn't set to bash, so it's not executing the same way you might expect.

                – Daniel Farrell
                Jul 10 '15 at 18:32







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              What does the . before the script do? (not sure how I would man that). Why is this different from source?

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              What does the . before the script do? (not sure how I would man that). Why is this different from source?

              – cwd
              Dec 21 '11 at 19:26




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              The . command is the original command for source. They are equivalent within the shell and a bit easier to type, especially within a crontab. To get more info, type help . or search for ^SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS in the man page for bash or at the top of man zshbuiltins. Running type .` will tell you that the command is a builtin.

              – Arcege
              Dec 21 '11 at 19:38





              The . command is the original command for source. They are equivalent within the shell and a bit easier to type, especially within a crontab. To get more info, type help . or search for ^SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS in the man page for bash or at the top of man zshbuiltins. Running type .` will tell you that the command is a builtin.

              – Arcege
              Dec 21 '11 at 19:38




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              Depending on Linux distributions, you may need to change .profile by .bash_profile. Check which .profile file exists in the user's home directory.

              – Frosty Z
              May 17 '13 at 12:37





              Depending on Linux distributions, you may need to change .profile by .bash_profile. Check which .profile file exists in the user's home directory.

              – Frosty Z
              May 17 '13 at 12:37













              @Arcege This doesn't work for me (Fedora Core 21), and I presume that's because the shell level drops back down. Instead, what DOES work is if you source it.

              – Richard T
              Apr 14 '15 at 20:56






              @Arcege This doesn't work for me (Fedora Core 21), and I presume that's because the shell level drops back down. Instead, what DOES work is if you source it.

              – Richard T
              Apr 14 '15 at 20:56





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              It's likely that if it isn't working, it's because the SHELL for the cron script isn't set to bash, so it's not executing the same way you might expect.

              – Daniel Farrell
              Jul 10 '15 at 18:32





              It's likely that if it isn't working, it's because the SHELL for the cron script isn't set to bash, so it's not executing the same way you might expect.

              – Daniel Farrell
              Jul 10 '15 at 18:32













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              Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and have the environment in the script.



              In crontab -e file:



              SHELL=/bin/bash

              */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh


              In cron_job.sh file:



              #!/bin/bash
              source $HOME/.bash_profile
              some_other_cmd


              Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.






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                When running on an AWS Linux AMI, it didn't even occur to me that cron wouldn't be using /bin/bash as the shell. I kept wondering why things like cd /path/to/project; source .vars would work when I typed them manually but would fail (File not found) when included in a cronjob. The key line for me was setting SHELL=/bin/bash so that I could actually use familiar bash commands in each cronjob. /bin/sh/ (the default cron shell, apparently) is very limiting.

                – Hartley Brody
                Sep 9 '16 at 14:05











              • It's too bad you can't specify Environment Files at the top of the cron like you can specify individual environment variables. Systemd has a EnvironmentFile service unit. Too bad cron doesn't have something similar.

                – radtek
                Jan 30 '18 at 20:19











              • you FORCE all scripts to use /bin/bash in all crontab, which is not a good idea, also what is about your cron line: */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh … */1 is good for WHAT ?!? one star means it will be executed every minute /1 means will be executed every minute, as an answer in a smart community this is a nasty sin, now I believe you are very confused to say the best … sorry

                – THESorcerer
                Aug 24 '18 at 10:48






              • 1





                This is what is called an example. Feel free to adjust to your needs or don't use it at all. Different strokes for different folks.

                – Robert Brisita
                Aug 24 '18 at 11:00







              • 1





                If $SHELL is /bin/sh, the source command does not exist. Use . instead.

                – Melle
                Jan 25 at 21:35















              36














              Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and have the environment in the script.



              In crontab -e file:



              SHELL=/bin/bash

              */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh


              In cron_job.sh file:



              #!/bin/bash
              source $HOME/.bash_profile
              some_other_cmd


              Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.






              share|improve this answer


















              • 5





                When running on an AWS Linux AMI, it didn't even occur to me that cron wouldn't be using /bin/bash as the shell. I kept wondering why things like cd /path/to/project; source .vars would work when I typed them manually but would fail (File not found) when included in a cronjob. The key line for me was setting SHELL=/bin/bash so that I could actually use familiar bash commands in each cronjob. /bin/sh/ (the default cron shell, apparently) is very limiting.

                – Hartley Brody
                Sep 9 '16 at 14:05











              • It's too bad you can't specify Environment Files at the top of the cron like you can specify individual environment variables. Systemd has a EnvironmentFile service unit. Too bad cron doesn't have something similar.

                – radtek
                Jan 30 '18 at 20:19











              • you FORCE all scripts to use /bin/bash in all crontab, which is not a good idea, also what is about your cron line: */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh … */1 is good for WHAT ?!? one star means it will be executed every minute /1 means will be executed every minute, as an answer in a smart community this is a nasty sin, now I believe you are very confused to say the best … sorry

                – THESorcerer
                Aug 24 '18 at 10:48






              • 1





                This is what is called an example. Feel free to adjust to your needs or don't use it at all. Different strokes for different folks.

                – Robert Brisita
                Aug 24 '18 at 11:00







              • 1





                If $SHELL is /bin/sh, the source command does not exist. Use . instead.

                – Melle
                Jan 25 at 21:35













              36












              36








              36







              Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and have the environment in the script.



              In crontab -e file:



              SHELL=/bin/bash

              */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh


              In cron_job.sh file:



              #!/bin/bash
              source $HOME/.bash_profile
              some_other_cmd


              Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.






              share|improve this answer













              Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and have the environment in the script.



              In crontab -e file:



              SHELL=/bin/bash

              */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh


              In cron_job.sh file:



              #!/bin/bash
              source $HOME/.bash_profile
              some_other_cmd


              Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.







              share|improve this answer












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              answered Sep 5 '13 at 22:36









              Robert BrisitaRobert Brisita

              48545




              48545







              • 5





                When running on an AWS Linux AMI, it didn't even occur to me that cron wouldn't be using /bin/bash as the shell. I kept wondering why things like cd /path/to/project; source .vars would work when I typed them manually but would fail (File not found) when included in a cronjob. The key line for me was setting SHELL=/bin/bash so that I could actually use familiar bash commands in each cronjob. /bin/sh/ (the default cron shell, apparently) is very limiting.

                – Hartley Brody
                Sep 9 '16 at 14:05











              • It's too bad you can't specify Environment Files at the top of the cron like you can specify individual environment variables. Systemd has a EnvironmentFile service unit. Too bad cron doesn't have something similar.

                – radtek
                Jan 30 '18 at 20:19











              • you FORCE all scripts to use /bin/bash in all crontab, which is not a good idea, also what is about your cron line: */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh … */1 is good for WHAT ?!? one star means it will be executed every minute /1 means will be executed every minute, as an answer in a smart community this is a nasty sin, now I believe you are very confused to say the best … sorry

                – THESorcerer
                Aug 24 '18 at 10:48






              • 1





                This is what is called an example. Feel free to adjust to your needs or don't use it at all. Different strokes for different folks.

                – Robert Brisita
                Aug 24 '18 at 11:00







              • 1





                If $SHELL is /bin/sh, the source command does not exist. Use . instead.

                – Melle
                Jan 25 at 21:35












              • 5





                When running on an AWS Linux AMI, it didn't even occur to me that cron wouldn't be using /bin/bash as the shell. I kept wondering why things like cd /path/to/project; source .vars would work when I typed them manually but would fail (File not found) when included in a cronjob. The key line for me was setting SHELL=/bin/bash so that I could actually use familiar bash commands in each cronjob. /bin/sh/ (the default cron shell, apparently) is very limiting.

                – Hartley Brody
                Sep 9 '16 at 14:05











              • It's too bad you can't specify Environment Files at the top of the cron like you can specify individual environment variables. Systemd has a EnvironmentFile service unit. Too bad cron doesn't have something similar.

                – radtek
                Jan 30 '18 at 20:19











              • you FORCE all scripts to use /bin/bash in all crontab, which is not a good idea, also what is about your cron line: */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh … */1 is good for WHAT ?!? one star means it will be executed every minute /1 means will be executed every minute, as an answer in a smart community this is a nasty sin, now I believe you are very confused to say the best … sorry

                – THESorcerer
                Aug 24 '18 at 10:48






              • 1





                This is what is called an example. Feel free to adjust to your needs or don't use it at all. Different strokes for different folks.

                – Robert Brisita
                Aug 24 '18 at 11:00







              • 1





                If $SHELL is /bin/sh, the source command does not exist. Use . instead.

                – Melle
                Jan 25 at 21:35







              5




              5





              When running on an AWS Linux AMI, it didn't even occur to me that cron wouldn't be using /bin/bash as the shell. I kept wondering why things like cd /path/to/project; source .vars would work when I typed them manually but would fail (File not found) when included in a cronjob. The key line for me was setting SHELL=/bin/bash so that I could actually use familiar bash commands in each cronjob. /bin/sh/ (the default cron shell, apparently) is very limiting.

              – Hartley Brody
              Sep 9 '16 at 14:05





              When running on an AWS Linux AMI, it didn't even occur to me that cron wouldn't be using /bin/bash as the shell. I kept wondering why things like cd /path/to/project; source .vars would work when I typed them manually but would fail (File not found) when included in a cronjob. The key line for me was setting SHELL=/bin/bash so that I could actually use familiar bash commands in each cronjob. /bin/sh/ (the default cron shell, apparently) is very limiting.

              – Hartley Brody
              Sep 9 '16 at 14:05













              It's too bad you can't specify Environment Files at the top of the cron like you can specify individual environment variables. Systemd has a EnvironmentFile service unit. Too bad cron doesn't have something similar.

              – radtek
              Jan 30 '18 at 20:19





              It's too bad you can't specify Environment Files at the top of the cron like you can specify individual environment variables. Systemd has a EnvironmentFile service unit. Too bad cron doesn't have something similar.

              – radtek
              Jan 30 '18 at 20:19













              you FORCE all scripts to use /bin/bash in all crontab, which is not a good idea, also what is about your cron line: */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh … */1 is good for WHAT ?!? one star means it will be executed every minute /1 means will be executed every minute, as an answer in a smart community this is a nasty sin, now I believe you are very confused to say the best … sorry

              – THESorcerer
              Aug 24 '18 at 10:48





              you FORCE all scripts to use /bin/bash in all crontab, which is not a good idea, also what is about your cron line: */1 * * * * $HOME/cron_job.sh … */1 is good for WHAT ?!? one star means it will be executed every minute /1 means will be executed every minute, as an answer in a smart community this is a nasty sin, now I believe you are very confused to say the best … sorry

              – THESorcerer
              Aug 24 '18 at 10:48




              1




              1





              This is what is called an example. Feel free to adjust to your needs or don't use it at all. Different strokes for different folks.

              – Robert Brisita
              Aug 24 '18 at 11:00






              This is what is called an example. Feel free to adjust to your needs or don't use it at all. Different strokes for different folks.

              – Robert Brisita
              Aug 24 '18 at 11:00





              1




              1





              If $SHELL is /bin/sh, the source command does not exist. Use . instead.

              – Melle
              Jan 25 at 21:35





              If $SHELL is /bin/sh, the source command does not exist. Use . instead.

              – Melle
              Jan 25 at 21:35











              15














              Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and tell bash to login (hence using /etc/profile.d/... environment definitions)



              In crontab -e file:



              */1 * * * * bash -l -c './cron_job.sh'
              */1 * * * * bash -l -c 'php -f ./cron_job.php'


              Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.






              share|improve this answer





























                15














                Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and tell bash to login (hence using /etc/profile.d/... environment definitions)



                In crontab -e file:



                */1 * * * * bash -l -c './cron_job.sh'
                */1 * * * * bash -l -c 'php -f ./cron_job.php'


                Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.






                share|improve this answer



























                  15












                  15








                  15







                  Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and tell bash to login (hence using /etc/profile.d/... environment definitions)



                  In crontab -e file:



                  */1 * * * * bash -l -c './cron_job.sh'
                  */1 * * * * bash -l -c 'php -f ./cron_job.php'


                  Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.






                  share|improve this answer















                  Another option, which I find easier, is to run the script with cron and tell bash to login (hence using /etc/profile.d/... environment definitions)



                  In crontab -e file:



                  */1 * * * * bash -l -c './cron_job.sh'
                  */1 * * * * bash -l -c 'php -f ./cron_job.php'


                  Any command after the source of .bash_profile will have your environment as if you logged in.







                  share|improve this answer














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                  edited Oct 2 '14 at 19:48









                  HalosGhost

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                  answered Oct 2 '14 at 19:41









                  ArtistanArtistan

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                      Bad idea. The general practice is to specifically set all required environmental variables in a script that is to be run from a cron job.






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                      • I agree with @fpmurphy, that ways it also ensure the secured process environment. If you want to set only few variables from cron you can use /usr/bin/env command to set the variables and then can act as the environment process for the cronjob.

                        – Nikhil Mulley
                        Dec 21 '11 at 6:24











                      • daemontools' envdir comes to mind, too.

                        – sr_
                        Dec 21 '11 at 9:42






                      • 5





                        I am all for security, but perhaps I can create a file ~/.cronvars and include that in the profile and also in my cron scripts. I don't want to hard code environmental variables in each of the scripts I run because when paths change hard coded paths in each file are not easy to maintain. Seems like that would allow a centralized place for the needed variables and still keep other variables from being loaded.

                        – cwd
                        Dec 21 '11 at 23:21















                      8














                      Bad idea. The general practice is to specifically set all required environmental variables in a script that is to be run from a cron job.






                      share|improve this answer























                      • I agree with @fpmurphy, that ways it also ensure the secured process environment. If you want to set only few variables from cron you can use /usr/bin/env command to set the variables and then can act as the environment process for the cronjob.

                        – Nikhil Mulley
                        Dec 21 '11 at 6:24











                      • daemontools' envdir comes to mind, too.

                        – sr_
                        Dec 21 '11 at 9:42






                      • 5





                        I am all for security, but perhaps I can create a file ~/.cronvars and include that in the profile and also in my cron scripts. I don't want to hard code environmental variables in each of the scripts I run because when paths change hard coded paths in each file are not easy to maintain. Seems like that would allow a centralized place for the needed variables and still keep other variables from being loaded.

                        – cwd
                        Dec 21 '11 at 23:21













                      8












                      8








                      8







                      Bad idea. The general practice is to specifically set all required environmental variables in a script that is to be run from a cron job.






                      share|improve this answer













                      Bad idea. The general practice is to specifically set all required environmental variables in a script that is to be run from a cron job.







                      share|improve this answer












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                      answered Dec 21 '11 at 4:57









                      fpmurphyfpmurphy

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                      • I agree with @fpmurphy, that ways it also ensure the secured process environment. If you want to set only few variables from cron you can use /usr/bin/env command to set the variables and then can act as the environment process for the cronjob.

                        – Nikhil Mulley
                        Dec 21 '11 at 6:24











                      • daemontools' envdir comes to mind, too.

                        – sr_
                        Dec 21 '11 at 9:42






                      • 5





                        I am all for security, but perhaps I can create a file ~/.cronvars and include that in the profile and also in my cron scripts. I don't want to hard code environmental variables in each of the scripts I run because when paths change hard coded paths in each file are not easy to maintain. Seems like that would allow a centralized place for the needed variables and still keep other variables from being loaded.

                        – cwd
                        Dec 21 '11 at 23:21

















                      • I agree with @fpmurphy, that ways it also ensure the secured process environment. If you want to set only few variables from cron you can use /usr/bin/env command to set the variables and then can act as the environment process for the cronjob.

                        – Nikhil Mulley
                        Dec 21 '11 at 6:24











                      • daemontools' envdir comes to mind, too.

                        – sr_
                        Dec 21 '11 at 9:42






                      • 5





                        I am all for security, but perhaps I can create a file ~/.cronvars and include that in the profile and also in my cron scripts. I don't want to hard code environmental variables in each of the scripts I run because when paths change hard coded paths in each file are not easy to maintain. Seems like that would allow a centralized place for the needed variables and still keep other variables from being loaded.

                        – cwd
                        Dec 21 '11 at 23:21
















                      I agree with @fpmurphy, that ways it also ensure the secured process environment. If you want to set only few variables from cron you can use /usr/bin/env command to set the variables and then can act as the environment process for the cronjob.

                      – Nikhil Mulley
                      Dec 21 '11 at 6:24





                      I agree with @fpmurphy, that ways it also ensure the secured process environment. If you want to set only few variables from cron you can use /usr/bin/env command to set the variables and then can act as the environment process for the cronjob.

                      – Nikhil Mulley
                      Dec 21 '11 at 6:24













                      daemontools' envdir comes to mind, too.

                      – sr_
                      Dec 21 '11 at 9:42





                      daemontools' envdir comes to mind, too.

                      – sr_
                      Dec 21 '11 at 9:42




                      5




                      5





                      I am all for security, but perhaps I can create a file ~/.cronvars and include that in the profile and also in my cron scripts. I don't want to hard code environmental variables in each of the scripts I run because when paths change hard coded paths in each file are not easy to maintain. Seems like that would allow a centralized place for the needed variables and still keep other variables from being loaded.

                      – cwd
                      Dec 21 '11 at 23:21





                      I am all for security, but perhaps I can create a file ~/.cronvars and include that in the profile and also in my cron scripts. I don't want to hard code environmental variables in each of the scripts I run because when paths change hard coded paths in each file are not easy to maintain. Seems like that would allow a centralized place for the needed variables and still keep other variables from being loaded.

                      – cwd
                      Dec 21 '11 at 23:21











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                      This syntax definitely helps you. I do not understand the syntax, but it works. Oracle uses this syntax, when deploys Oracle Configuration Manager to crontab, hence, I believe that this is a right solution.



                      0 5 * * * SOME_ENV_VAR=some_value some_command some_parameters





                      share|improve this answer



























                        2














                        This syntax definitely helps you. I do not understand the syntax, but it works. Oracle uses this syntax, when deploys Oracle Configuration Manager to crontab, hence, I believe that this is a right solution.



                        0 5 * * * SOME_ENV_VAR=some_value some_command some_parameters





                        share|improve this answer

























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                          2







                          This syntax definitely helps you. I do not understand the syntax, but it works. Oracle uses this syntax, when deploys Oracle Configuration Manager to crontab, hence, I believe that this is a right solution.



                          0 5 * * * SOME_ENV_VAR=some_value some_command some_parameters





                          share|improve this answer













                          This syntax definitely helps you. I do not understand the syntax, but it works. Oracle uses this syntax, when deploys Oracle Configuration Manager to crontab, hence, I believe that this is a right solution.



                          0 5 * * * SOME_ENV_VAR=some_value some_command some_parameters






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                          answered Jul 10 '13 at 10:30









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                              The solution, which worked for me, is described here.



                              You create a wrapper script, which calls . ~/.cronfile, and then does the things you want. This script is launched by cron.



                              In ~/.cronfile you specify the environment for your cron jobs.






                              share|improve this answer





























                                1














                                The solution, which worked for me, is described here.



                                You create a wrapper script, which calls . ~/.cronfile, and then does the things you want. This script is launched by cron.



                                In ~/.cronfile you specify the environment for your cron jobs.






                                share|improve this answer



























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                                  1








                                  1







                                  The solution, which worked for me, is described here.



                                  You create a wrapper script, which calls . ~/.cronfile, and then does the things you want. This script is launched by cron.



                                  In ~/.cronfile you specify the environment for your cron jobs.






                                  share|improve this answer















                                  The solution, which worked for me, is described here.



                                  You create a wrapper script, which calls . ~/.cronfile, and then does the things you want. This script is launched by cron.



                                  In ~/.cronfile you specify the environment for your cron jobs.







                                  share|improve this answer














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                                  edited May 23 '17 at 12:40









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                                  answered Feb 8 '13 at 6:08









                                  weekensweekens

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                                      Add



                                      BASH_ENV=/home/user/.profile


                                      to the crontab. See How to guarantee availability of $BASH_ENV






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                                        Add



                                        BASH_ENV=/home/user/.profile


                                        to the crontab. See How to guarantee availability of $BASH_ENV






                                        share|improve this answer



























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                                          Add



                                          BASH_ENV=/home/user/.profile


                                          to the crontab. See How to guarantee availability of $BASH_ENV






                                          share|improve this answer















                                          Add



                                          BASH_ENV=/home/user/.profile


                                          to the crontab. See How to guarantee availability of $BASH_ENV







                                          share|improve this answer














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                                          edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:36









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                                          answered Oct 18 '15 at 17:39









                                          EnnoEnno

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                                              Instead of setting profile, what helped me was setting the PATH. Some of the commands were not available in my cron scripts as the PATH is different.



                                              ENVIRONMENT=prod
                                              PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
                                              */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
                                              */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
                                              */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


                                              Setting PATH with the path of commands helped me. Even better if you can use a template and detemplatize later,



                                              ENVIRONMENT=ENVIRONMENT
                                              PATH=PATH
                                              */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
                                              */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
                                              */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


                                              Passing variables to each item looks messy.






                                              share|improve this answer



























                                                1














                                                Instead of setting profile, what helped me was setting the PATH. Some of the commands were not available in my cron scripts as the PATH is different.



                                                ENVIRONMENT=prod
                                                PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
                                                */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
                                                */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
                                                */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


                                                Setting PATH with the path of commands helped me. Even better if you can use a template and detemplatize later,



                                                ENVIRONMENT=ENVIRONMENT
                                                PATH=PATH
                                                */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
                                                */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
                                                */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


                                                Passing variables to each item looks messy.






                                                share|improve this answer

























                                                  1












                                                  1








                                                  1







                                                  Instead of setting profile, what helped me was setting the PATH. Some of the commands were not available in my cron scripts as the PATH is different.



                                                  ENVIRONMENT=prod
                                                  PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


                                                  Setting PATH with the path of commands helped me. Even better if you can use a template and detemplatize later,



                                                  ENVIRONMENT=ENVIRONMENT
                                                  PATH=PATH
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


                                                  Passing variables to each item looks messy.






                                                  share|improve this answer













                                                  Instead of setting profile, what helped me was setting the PATH. Some of the commands were not available in my cron scripts as the PATH is different.



                                                  ENVIRONMENT=prod
                                                  PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


                                                  Setting PATH with the path of commands helped me. Even better if you can use a template and detemplatize later,



                                                  ENVIRONMENT=ENVIRONMENT
                                                  PATH=PATH
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript1.sh
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript2.sh
                                                  */30 * * * * /opt/myscript3.sh


                                                  Passing variables to each item looks messy.







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                                                  answered Apr 27 '18 at 8:57









                                                  Optimus PrimeOptimus Prime

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                                                      I recently came across a case where I had to execute the overall cronjob as root but, at the same time, had to execute a subcommand as a different user (which required sourcing that user's environment). I went with the following approach:



                                                      # m h dom mon dow user command
                                                      */5 * * * * root (sudo -i -u <the user> command-to-be-run-as-user) && command-to-be-run-as-root


                                                      The crucial part is the argument -i that's being passed to sudo which will execute the given command in a separate login shell (which in turn means that the user's dotfiles will be sourced).



                                                      PS: Note that the user column is only available in /etc/crontab and the /etc/cron.d/* files.






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                                                        I recently came across a case where I had to execute the overall cronjob as root but, at the same time, had to execute a subcommand as a different user (which required sourcing that user's environment). I went with the following approach:



                                                        # m h dom mon dow user command
                                                        */5 * * * * root (sudo -i -u <the user> command-to-be-run-as-user) && command-to-be-run-as-root


                                                        The crucial part is the argument -i that's being passed to sudo which will execute the given command in a separate login shell (which in turn means that the user's dotfiles will be sourced).



                                                        PS: Note that the user column is only available in /etc/crontab and the /etc/cron.d/* files.






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                                                          1








                                                          1







                                                          I recently came across a case where I had to execute the overall cronjob as root but, at the same time, had to execute a subcommand as a different user (which required sourcing that user's environment). I went with the following approach:



                                                          # m h dom mon dow user command
                                                          */5 * * * * root (sudo -i -u <the user> command-to-be-run-as-user) && command-to-be-run-as-root


                                                          The crucial part is the argument -i that's being passed to sudo which will execute the given command in a separate login shell (which in turn means that the user's dotfiles will be sourced).



                                                          PS: Note that the user column is only available in /etc/crontab and the /etc/cron.d/* files.






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                                                          I recently came across a case where I had to execute the overall cronjob as root but, at the same time, had to execute a subcommand as a different user (which required sourcing that user's environment). I went with the following approach:



                                                          # m h dom mon dow user command
                                                          */5 * * * * root (sudo -i -u <the user> command-to-be-run-as-user) && command-to-be-run-as-root


                                                          The crucial part is the argument -i that's being passed to sudo which will execute the given command in a separate login shell (which in turn means that the user's dotfiles will be sourced).



                                                          PS: Note that the user column is only available in /etc/crontab and the /etc/cron.d/* files.







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                                                              Yes, you can using "well known workarounds" (a couple of which have been listed). This is another way of saying that everyone knows it's crappy, though some people will refer to this as a "security feature" because they have spent at least as much tripping over this fail(ure) as you have, and would like to think their wasted time wasn't for naught. It's the cron equivalent of the QWERTY keyboard.



                                                              I suspect the original reason may have been for performance, such that scripts run once a minute wouldn't spend the time to read rc scripts. Also originally cron wasn't really configurable at all, so a default was really the only option.



                                                              There is no added security by not having some simple configuration or method to have cron just take on the environment of your interactive shell instead of users having to perform stupid shell gymnastics. On a modern machine there is generally no perceptible performance gain unless you have a vast quantity of jobs running every minute.



                                                              Unix culture fail. In my "humble" opinion. :-)






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                                                              • 1





                                                                "There is no added security." That is not true. Take a look at CVE-2011-1095, CVE-2008-4304, and CVE-2010-3847.

                                                                – user26112
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 2:20












                                                              • I downvoted your answer, by the way. I usually try to avoid downvoting newcomers' answers but security is important to me. Please don't take the downvote the wrong way. Besides the part about security, your answer is excellent and would deserve an upvote. You can edit your answer here if you would like.

                                                                – user26112
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 2:33












                                                              • None of those have the slightest thing to do with having cron use a shell with the interactive flag set. This is pure FUD. Unfortunately I can't downvote your downvote. This may seem like a flame, but it's very frustrating when people think a vehicle with three wheels is better because there's a security issue to put a fourth wheel on. It isn't. People have just ridden a tricycle so long they've forgotten it's possible to add a fourth wheel.

                                                                – Austin S.
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 16:43












                                                              • Put another way: if any of the intended extra hoops the other answerers suggested are used, how do they not also gain access to any of the holes you mention? "* * * * * exec bash -i -c LOCALE=......."

                                                                – Austin S.
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 16:56











                                                              • This reads like a rant. I don't even see where it answers the question at all. Even if the security part were removed, @EvanTeitelman, I don't see why it would deserve an upvote as it doesn't answer the question.

                                                                – Wildcard
                                                                Jul 21 '17 at 1:15
















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                                                              Yes, you can using "well known workarounds" (a couple of which have been listed). This is another way of saying that everyone knows it's crappy, though some people will refer to this as a "security feature" because they have spent at least as much tripping over this fail(ure) as you have, and would like to think their wasted time wasn't for naught. It's the cron equivalent of the QWERTY keyboard.



                                                              I suspect the original reason may have been for performance, such that scripts run once a minute wouldn't spend the time to read rc scripts. Also originally cron wasn't really configurable at all, so a default was really the only option.



                                                              There is no added security by not having some simple configuration or method to have cron just take on the environment of your interactive shell instead of users having to perform stupid shell gymnastics. On a modern machine there is generally no perceptible performance gain unless you have a vast quantity of jobs running every minute.



                                                              Unix culture fail. In my "humble" opinion. :-)






                                                              share|improve this answer


















                                                              • 1





                                                                "There is no added security." That is not true. Take a look at CVE-2011-1095, CVE-2008-4304, and CVE-2010-3847.

                                                                – user26112
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 2:20












                                                              • I downvoted your answer, by the way. I usually try to avoid downvoting newcomers' answers but security is important to me. Please don't take the downvote the wrong way. Besides the part about security, your answer is excellent and would deserve an upvote. You can edit your answer here if you would like.

                                                                – user26112
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 2:33












                                                              • None of those have the slightest thing to do with having cron use a shell with the interactive flag set. This is pure FUD. Unfortunately I can't downvote your downvote. This may seem like a flame, but it's very frustrating when people think a vehicle with three wheels is better because there's a security issue to put a fourth wheel on. It isn't. People have just ridden a tricycle so long they've forgotten it's possible to add a fourth wheel.

                                                                – Austin S.
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 16:43












                                                              • Put another way: if any of the intended extra hoops the other answerers suggested are used, how do they not also gain access to any of the holes you mention? "* * * * * exec bash -i -c LOCALE=......."

                                                                – Austin S.
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 16:56











                                                              • This reads like a rant. I don't even see where it answers the question at all. Even if the security part were removed, @EvanTeitelman, I don't see why it would deserve an upvote as it doesn't answer the question.

                                                                – Wildcard
                                                                Jul 21 '17 at 1:15














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                                                              Yes, you can using "well known workarounds" (a couple of which have been listed). This is another way of saying that everyone knows it's crappy, though some people will refer to this as a "security feature" because they have spent at least as much tripping over this fail(ure) as you have, and would like to think their wasted time wasn't for naught. It's the cron equivalent of the QWERTY keyboard.



                                                              I suspect the original reason may have been for performance, such that scripts run once a minute wouldn't spend the time to read rc scripts. Also originally cron wasn't really configurable at all, so a default was really the only option.



                                                              There is no added security by not having some simple configuration or method to have cron just take on the environment of your interactive shell instead of users having to perform stupid shell gymnastics. On a modern machine there is generally no perceptible performance gain unless you have a vast quantity of jobs running every minute.



                                                              Unix culture fail. In my "humble" opinion. :-)






                                                              share|improve this answer













                                                              Yes, you can using "well known workarounds" (a couple of which have been listed). This is another way of saying that everyone knows it's crappy, though some people will refer to this as a "security feature" because they have spent at least as much tripping over this fail(ure) as you have, and would like to think their wasted time wasn't for naught. It's the cron equivalent of the QWERTY keyboard.



                                                              I suspect the original reason may have been for performance, such that scripts run once a minute wouldn't spend the time to read rc scripts. Also originally cron wasn't really configurable at all, so a default was really the only option.



                                                              There is no added security by not having some simple configuration or method to have cron just take on the environment of your interactive shell instead of users having to perform stupid shell gymnastics. On a modern machine there is generally no perceptible performance gain unless you have a vast quantity of jobs running every minute.



                                                              Unix culture fail. In my "humble" opinion. :-)







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                                                              answered Jul 26 '13 at 1:44









                                                              Austin S.Austin S.

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                                                                "There is no added security." That is not true. Take a look at CVE-2011-1095, CVE-2008-4304, and CVE-2010-3847.

                                                                – user26112
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 2:20












                                                              • I downvoted your answer, by the way. I usually try to avoid downvoting newcomers' answers but security is important to me. Please don't take the downvote the wrong way. Besides the part about security, your answer is excellent and would deserve an upvote. You can edit your answer here if you would like.

                                                                – user26112
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 2:33












                                                              • None of those have the slightest thing to do with having cron use a shell with the interactive flag set. This is pure FUD. Unfortunately I can't downvote your downvote. This may seem like a flame, but it's very frustrating when people think a vehicle with three wheels is better because there's a security issue to put a fourth wheel on. It isn't. People have just ridden a tricycle so long they've forgotten it's possible to add a fourth wheel.

                                                                – Austin S.
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 16:43












                                                              • Put another way: if any of the intended extra hoops the other answerers suggested are used, how do they not also gain access to any of the holes you mention? "* * * * * exec bash -i -c LOCALE=......."

                                                                – Austin S.
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 16:56











                                                              • This reads like a rant. I don't even see where it answers the question at all. Even if the security part were removed, @EvanTeitelman, I don't see why it would deserve an upvote as it doesn't answer the question.

                                                                – Wildcard
                                                                Jul 21 '17 at 1:15













                                                              • 1





                                                                "There is no added security." That is not true. Take a look at CVE-2011-1095, CVE-2008-4304, and CVE-2010-3847.

                                                                – user26112
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 2:20












                                                              • I downvoted your answer, by the way. I usually try to avoid downvoting newcomers' answers but security is important to me. Please don't take the downvote the wrong way. Besides the part about security, your answer is excellent and would deserve an upvote. You can edit your answer here if you would like.

                                                                – user26112
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 2:33












                                                              • None of those have the slightest thing to do with having cron use a shell with the interactive flag set. This is pure FUD. Unfortunately I can't downvote your downvote. This may seem like a flame, but it's very frustrating when people think a vehicle with three wheels is better because there's a security issue to put a fourth wheel on. It isn't. People have just ridden a tricycle so long they've forgotten it's possible to add a fourth wheel.

                                                                – Austin S.
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 16:43












                                                              • Put another way: if any of the intended extra hoops the other answerers suggested are used, how do they not also gain access to any of the holes you mention? "* * * * * exec bash -i -c LOCALE=......."

                                                                – Austin S.
                                                                Jul 26 '13 at 16:56











                                                              • This reads like a rant. I don't even see where it answers the question at all. Even if the security part were removed, @EvanTeitelman, I don't see why it would deserve an upvote as it doesn't answer the question.

                                                                – Wildcard
                                                                Jul 21 '17 at 1:15








                                                              1




                                                              1





                                                              "There is no added security." That is not true. Take a look at CVE-2011-1095, CVE-2008-4304, and CVE-2010-3847.

                                                              – user26112
                                                              Jul 26 '13 at 2:20






                                                              "There is no added security." That is not true. Take a look at CVE-2011-1095, CVE-2008-4304, and CVE-2010-3847.

                                                              – user26112
                                                              Jul 26 '13 at 2:20














                                                              I downvoted your answer, by the way. I usually try to avoid downvoting newcomers' answers but security is important to me. Please don't take the downvote the wrong way. Besides the part about security, your answer is excellent and would deserve an upvote. You can edit your answer here if you would like.

                                                              – user26112
                                                              Jul 26 '13 at 2:33






                                                              I downvoted your answer, by the way. I usually try to avoid downvoting newcomers' answers but security is important to me. Please don't take the downvote the wrong way. Besides the part about security, your answer is excellent and would deserve an upvote. You can edit your answer here if you would like.

                                                              – user26112
                                                              Jul 26 '13 at 2:33














                                                              None of those have the slightest thing to do with having cron use a shell with the interactive flag set. This is pure FUD. Unfortunately I can't downvote your downvote. This may seem like a flame, but it's very frustrating when people think a vehicle with three wheels is better because there's a security issue to put a fourth wheel on. It isn't. People have just ridden a tricycle so long they've forgotten it's possible to add a fourth wheel.

                                                              – Austin S.
                                                              Jul 26 '13 at 16:43






                                                              None of those have the slightest thing to do with having cron use a shell with the interactive flag set. This is pure FUD. Unfortunately I can't downvote your downvote. This may seem like a flame, but it's very frustrating when people think a vehicle with three wheels is better because there's a security issue to put a fourth wheel on. It isn't. People have just ridden a tricycle so long they've forgotten it's possible to add a fourth wheel.

                                                              – Austin S.
                                                              Jul 26 '13 at 16:43














                                                              Put another way: if any of the intended extra hoops the other answerers suggested are used, how do they not also gain access to any of the holes you mention? "* * * * * exec bash -i -c LOCALE=......."

                                                              – Austin S.
                                                              Jul 26 '13 at 16:56





                                                              Put another way: if any of the intended extra hoops the other answerers suggested are used, how do they not also gain access to any of the holes you mention? "* * * * * exec bash -i -c LOCALE=......."

                                                              – Austin S.
                                                              Jul 26 '13 at 16:56













                                                              This reads like a rant. I don't even see where it answers the question at all. Even if the security part were removed, @EvanTeitelman, I don't see why it would deserve an upvote as it doesn't answer the question.

                                                              – Wildcard
                                                              Jul 21 '17 at 1:15






                                                              This reads like a rant. I don't even see where it answers the question at all. Even if the security part were removed, @EvanTeitelman, I don't see why it would deserve an upvote as it doesn't answer the question.

                                                              – Wildcard
                                                              Jul 21 '17 at 1:15












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