If $f(4xy)=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)]$ and $f(5)=3$, find $f(2015)$

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Suppose the function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ satisfies the following conditions:
$$beginalign
f(4xy)&=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)] \[4pt]
f(5)&=3
endalign$$
Find the value of $f(2015)$.
I have tried to find some other hiding condition, like $f(0)=0,$ but which is useless.
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Suppose the function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ satisfies the following conditions:
$$beginalign
f(4xy)&=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)] \[4pt]
f(5)&=3
endalign$$
Find the value of $f(2015)$.
I have tried to find some other hiding condition, like $f(0)=0,$ but which is useless.
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Suppose the function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ satisfies the following conditions:
$$beginalign
f(4xy)&=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)] \[4pt]
f(5)&=3
endalign$$
Find the value of $f(2015)$.
I have tried to find some other hiding condition, like $f(0)=0,$ but which is useless.
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Suppose the function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ satisfies the following conditions:
$$beginalign
f(4xy)&=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)] \[4pt]
f(5)&=3
endalign$$
Find the value of $f(2015)$.
I have tried to find some other hiding condition, like $f(0)=0,$ but which is useless.
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Firstly, it’s trivial that
$$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$
Next, we see that
$$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text,$$
which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.
Afterwards, one notices that
$$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
Hence,
$$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
$$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
$$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = fracx+yx-ycdot f(x-y)$$
If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
$$f(2015) = frac20155cdot 3 = 1209$$
Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
– John Omielan
Jan 1 at 1:22
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With the provided function,
$$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag1labeleq1$$
First, substitute $y = 0$ to get
$$fleft(0right) = 0 tag2labeleq2$$
Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqrefeq2 to get
$$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag3labeleq3$$
Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives
$$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag4labeleq4$$
In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqrefeq1 gives
$$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag5labeleq5$$
Now, using $x = 1$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag6labeleq6$$
Thus, using eqrefeq2 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag7labeleq7$$
Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag8labeleq8$$
Thus, using eqrefeq7 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag9labeleq9$$
Note that eqrefeq2, eqrefeq4, eqrefeq7 and eqrefeq9 all satisfy
$$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag10labeleq10$$
In particular, for eqrefeq2, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqrefeq4, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqrefeq7 & eqrefeq9, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqrefeq10 always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text for a non-zero constant k in R$, which from the given condition of
$$fleft(5right) = 3 tag11labeleq11$$
gives a value of $k = frac35$ so the function would be
$$fleft(xright) = cfrac3x5 tag12labeleq12$$
To confirm this, substitute eqrefeq12 into eqrefeq5 to give on the left side
$$cfrac12x5 tag13labeleq13$$
with the right side becoming
$$2left[cfrac3left(x + 1right)5 + cfrac3left(x - 1right)5 right] = 2left[cfracleft(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)5 right] = cfrac12x5 tag14labeleq14$$
Similarly, using eqrefeq12 in eqrefeq1 gives a left & right hand side of $frac12xy5$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of
$$fleft(2015right) = cfrac3 times 20155 = 1209 tag15labeleq15$$
Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.
I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 2:08
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@yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
– John Omielan
Dec 27 '18 at 2:17
Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 3:14
I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
– Henning Makholm
Dec 31 '18 at 22:38
@HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
– John Omielan
Dec 31 '18 at 22:55
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Firstly, it’s trivial that
$$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$
Next, we see that
$$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text,$$
which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.
Afterwards, one notices that
$$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
Hence,
$$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
$$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
$$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = fracx+yx-ycdot f(x-y)$$
If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
$$f(2015) = frac20155cdot 3 = 1209$$
Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
– John Omielan
Jan 1 at 1:22
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Firstly, it’s trivial that
$$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$
Next, we see that
$$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text,$$
which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.
Afterwards, one notices that
$$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
Hence,
$$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
$$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
$$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = fracx+yx-ycdot f(x-y)$$
If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
$$f(2015) = frac20155cdot 3 = 1209$$
Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
– John Omielan
Jan 1 at 1:22
add a comment |
Firstly, it’s trivial that
$$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$
Next, we see that
$$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text,$$
which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.
Afterwards, one notices that
$$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
Hence,
$$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
$$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
$$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = fracx+yx-ycdot f(x-y)$$
If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
$$f(2015) = frac20155cdot 3 = 1209$$
Firstly, it’s trivial that
$$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$
Next, we see that
$$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text,$$
which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.
Afterwards, one notices that
$$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
Hence,
$$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
$$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
$$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = fracx+yx-ycdot f(x-y)$$
If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
$$f(2015) = frac20155cdot 3 = 1209$$
answered Dec 31 '18 at 23:59
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Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
– John Omielan
Jan 1 at 1:22
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Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
– John Omielan
Jan 1 at 1:22
Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
– John Omielan
Jan 1 at 1:22
Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
– John Omielan
Jan 1 at 1:22
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With the provided function,
$$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag1labeleq1$$
First, substitute $y = 0$ to get
$$fleft(0right) = 0 tag2labeleq2$$
Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqrefeq2 to get
$$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag3labeleq3$$
Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives
$$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag4labeleq4$$
In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqrefeq1 gives
$$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag5labeleq5$$
Now, using $x = 1$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag6labeleq6$$
Thus, using eqrefeq2 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag7labeleq7$$
Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag8labeleq8$$
Thus, using eqrefeq7 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag9labeleq9$$
Note that eqrefeq2, eqrefeq4, eqrefeq7 and eqrefeq9 all satisfy
$$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag10labeleq10$$
In particular, for eqrefeq2, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqrefeq4, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqrefeq7 & eqrefeq9, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqrefeq10 always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text for a non-zero constant k in R$, which from the given condition of
$$fleft(5right) = 3 tag11labeleq11$$
gives a value of $k = frac35$ so the function would be
$$fleft(xright) = cfrac3x5 tag12labeleq12$$
To confirm this, substitute eqrefeq12 into eqrefeq5 to give on the left side
$$cfrac12x5 tag13labeleq13$$
with the right side becoming
$$2left[cfrac3left(x + 1right)5 + cfrac3left(x - 1right)5 right] = 2left[cfracleft(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)5 right] = cfrac12x5 tag14labeleq14$$
Similarly, using eqrefeq12 in eqrefeq1 gives a left & right hand side of $frac12xy5$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of
$$fleft(2015right) = cfrac3 times 20155 = 1209 tag15labeleq15$$
Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.
I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 2:08
1
@yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
– John Omielan
Dec 27 '18 at 2:17
Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 3:14
I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
– Henning Makholm
Dec 31 '18 at 22:38
@HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
– John Omielan
Dec 31 '18 at 22:55
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With the provided function,
$$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag1labeleq1$$
First, substitute $y = 0$ to get
$$fleft(0right) = 0 tag2labeleq2$$
Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqrefeq2 to get
$$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag3labeleq3$$
Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives
$$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag4labeleq4$$
In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqrefeq1 gives
$$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag5labeleq5$$
Now, using $x = 1$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag6labeleq6$$
Thus, using eqrefeq2 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag7labeleq7$$
Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag8labeleq8$$
Thus, using eqrefeq7 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag9labeleq9$$
Note that eqrefeq2, eqrefeq4, eqrefeq7 and eqrefeq9 all satisfy
$$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag10labeleq10$$
In particular, for eqrefeq2, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqrefeq4, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqrefeq7 & eqrefeq9, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqrefeq10 always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text for a non-zero constant k in R$, which from the given condition of
$$fleft(5right) = 3 tag11labeleq11$$
gives a value of $k = frac35$ so the function would be
$$fleft(xright) = cfrac3x5 tag12labeleq12$$
To confirm this, substitute eqrefeq12 into eqrefeq5 to give on the left side
$$cfrac12x5 tag13labeleq13$$
with the right side becoming
$$2left[cfrac3left(x + 1right)5 + cfrac3left(x - 1right)5 right] = 2left[cfracleft(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)5 right] = cfrac12x5 tag14labeleq14$$
Similarly, using eqrefeq12 in eqrefeq1 gives a left & right hand side of $frac12xy5$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of
$$fleft(2015right) = cfrac3 times 20155 = 1209 tag15labeleq15$$
Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.
I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 2:08
1
@yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
– John Omielan
Dec 27 '18 at 2:17
Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 3:14
I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
– Henning Makholm
Dec 31 '18 at 22:38
@HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
– John Omielan
Dec 31 '18 at 22:55
|
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With the provided function,
$$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag1labeleq1$$
First, substitute $y = 0$ to get
$$fleft(0right) = 0 tag2labeleq2$$
Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqrefeq2 to get
$$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag3labeleq3$$
Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives
$$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag4labeleq4$$
In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqrefeq1 gives
$$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag5labeleq5$$
Now, using $x = 1$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag6labeleq6$$
Thus, using eqrefeq2 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag7labeleq7$$
Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag8labeleq8$$
Thus, using eqrefeq7 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag9labeleq9$$
Note that eqrefeq2, eqrefeq4, eqrefeq7 and eqrefeq9 all satisfy
$$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag10labeleq10$$
In particular, for eqrefeq2, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqrefeq4, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqrefeq7 & eqrefeq9, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqrefeq10 always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text for a non-zero constant k in R$, which from the given condition of
$$fleft(5right) = 3 tag11labeleq11$$
gives a value of $k = frac35$ so the function would be
$$fleft(xright) = cfrac3x5 tag12labeleq12$$
To confirm this, substitute eqrefeq12 into eqrefeq5 to give on the left side
$$cfrac12x5 tag13labeleq13$$
with the right side becoming
$$2left[cfrac3left(x + 1right)5 + cfrac3left(x - 1right)5 right] = 2left[cfracleft(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)5 right] = cfrac12x5 tag14labeleq14$$
Similarly, using eqrefeq12 in eqrefeq1 gives a left & right hand side of $frac12xy5$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of
$$fleft(2015right) = cfrac3 times 20155 = 1209 tag15labeleq15$$
Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.
With the provided function,
$$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag1labeleq1$$
First, substitute $y = 0$ to get
$$fleft(0right) = 0 tag2labeleq2$$
Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqrefeq2 to get
$$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag3labeleq3$$
Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives
$$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag4labeleq4$$
In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqrefeq1 gives
$$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag5labeleq5$$
Now, using $x = 1$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag6labeleq6$$
Thus, using eqrefeq2 gives
$$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag7labeleq7$$
Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqrefeq5 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag8labeleq8$$
Thus, using eqrefeq7 gives
$$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag9labeleq9$$
Note that eqrefeq2, eqrefeq4, eqrefeq7 and eqrefeq9 all satisfy
$$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag10labeleq10$$
In particular, for eqrefeq2, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqrefeq4, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqrefeq7 & eqrefeq9, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqrefeq10 always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text for a non-zero constant k in R$, which from the given condition of
$$fleft(5right) = 3 tag11labeleq11$$
gives a value of $k = frac35$ so the function would be
$$fleft(xright) = cfrac3x5 tag12labeleq12$$
To confirm this, substitute eqrefeq12 into eqrefeq5 to give on the left side
$$cfrac12x5 tag13labeleq13$$
with the right side becoming
$$2left[cfrac3left(x + 1right)5 + cfrac3left(x - 1right)5 right] = 2left[cfracleft(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)5 right] = cfrac12x5 tag14labeleq14$$
Similarly, using eqrefeq12 in eqrefeq1 gives a left & right hand side of $frac12xy5$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of
$$fleft(2015right) = cfrac3 times 20155 = 1209 tag15labeleq15$$
Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.
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I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 2:08
1
@yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
– John Omielan
Dec 27 '18 at 2:17
Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 3:14
I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
– Henning Makholm
Dec 31 '18 at 22:38
@HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
– John Omielan
Dec 31 '18 at 22:55
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I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 2:08
1
@yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
– John Omielan
Dec 27 '18 at 2:17
Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 3:14
I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
– Henning Makholm
Dec 31 '18 at 22:38
@HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
– John Omielan
Dec 31 '18 at 22:55
I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 2:08
I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 2:08
1
1
@yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
– John Omielan
Dec 27 '18 at 2:17
@yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
– John Omielan
Dec 27 '18 at 2:17
Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 3:14
Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
– yuanming luo
Dec 27 '18 at 3:14
I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
– Henning Makholm
Dec 31 '18 at 22:38
I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
– Henning Makholm
Dec 31 '18 at 22:38
@HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
– John Omielan
Dec 31 '18 at 22:55
@HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
– John Omielan
Dec 31 '18 at 22:55
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