When was the festival of the See of Peter in the 6th Century?
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I've been researching the decrees of the second Council of Tours (AD 567), specifically Canon XXII:
- Some still hold fast the old error, that they should honor the 1st of January. Others, on the festival of the See of Peter, present meat offerings to the dead, and partake of meats which have been offered to demons. Others reverence certain rocks, or trees, or fountains, etc. The priests should root out these heathenish superstitions. (1)
I understand the 1st of January to have been when Consuls entered office and citizens would renew vows, make offerings to chief deities such as Jupiter and Juno, and take auspice.
But when was the festival of the See of Peter in the 6th Century?
Does it correspond to the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul?
Personally, I'm not familiar with the calendrical history and the changes the calendar went through.
(1) A History Of The Councils Of The Church Volumes 1 to 5 by Charles Joseph Hefele D.D. Chapter I, The synods until the end of the sixth century.
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I've been researching the decrees of the second Council of Tours (AD 567), specifically Canon XXII:
- Some still hold fast the old error, that they should honor the 1st of January. Others, on the festival of the See of Peter, present meat offerings to the dead, and partake of meats which have been offered to demons. Others reverence certain rocks, or trees, or fountains, etc. The priests should root out these heathenish superstitions. (1)
I understand the 1st of January to have been when Consuls entered office and citizens would renew vows, make offerings to chief deities such as Jupiter and Juno, and take auspice.
But when was the festival of the See of Peter in the 6th Century?
Does it correspond to the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul?
Personally, I'm not familiar with the calendrical history and the changes the calendar went through.
(1) A History Of The Councils Of The Church Volumes 1 to 5 by Charles Joseph Hefele D.D. Chapter I, The synods until the end of the sixth century.
christianity early-medieval religious-history
edited Nov 23 at 17:17
Mark C. Wallace♦
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asked Nov 23 at 11:44
Charlie Tizzard Ó Kevlahan
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Please consult the Wikipedia and Catholic Encyclopedia articles on this topic.
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Nov 26 at 17:38
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I've been researching the decrees of the second Council of Tours (AD 567), specifically Canon XXII:
- Some still hold fast the old error, that they should honor the 1st of January. Others, on the festival of the See of Peter, present meat offerings to the dead, and partake of meats which have been offered to demons. Others reverence certain rocks, or trees, or fountains, etc. The priests should root out these heathenish superstitions. (1)
I understand the 1st of January to have been when Consuls entered office and citizens would renew vows, make offerings to chief deities such as Jupiter and Juno, and take auspice.
But when was the festival of the See of Peter in the 6th Century?
Does it correspond to the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul?
Personally, I'm not familiar with the calendrical history and the changes the calendar went through.
(1) A History Of The Councils Of The Church Volumes 1 to 5 by Charles Joseph Hefele D.D. Chapter I, The synods until the end of the sixth century.
christianity early-medieval religious-history
edited Nov 23 at 17:17
Mark C. Wallace♦
23k872111
asked Nov 23 at 11:44
Charlie Tizzard Ó Kevlahan
793520
I've been researching the decrees of the second Council of Tours (AD 567), specifically Canon XXII:
- Some still hold fast the old error, that they should honor the 1st of January. Others, on the festival of the See of Peter, present meat offerings to the dead, and partake of meats which have been offered to demons. Others reverence certain rocks, or trees, or fountains, etc. The priests should root out these heathenish superstitions. (1)
I understand the 1st of January to have been when Consuls entered office and citizens would renew vows, make offerings to chief deities such as Jupiter and Juno, and take auspice.
But when was the festival of the See of Peter in the 6th Century?
Does it correspond to the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul?
Personally, I'm not familiar with the calendrical history and the changes the calendar went through.
(1) A History Of The Councils Of The Church Volumes 1 to 5 by Charles Joseph Hefele D.D. Chapter I, The synods until the end of the sixth century.
christianity early-medieval religious-history
christianity early-medieval religious-history
edited Nov 23 at 17:17
Mark C. Wallace♦
23k872111
asked Nov 23 at 11:44
Charlie Tizzard Ó Kevlahan
793520
edited Nov 23 at 17:17
Mark C. Wallace♦
23k872111
asked Nov 23 at 11:44
Charlie Tizzard Ó Kevlahan
793520
edited Nov 23 at 17:17
Mark C. Wallace♦
23k872111
edited Nov 23 at 17:17
Mark C. Wallace♦
23k872111
edited Nov 23 at 17:17
Mark C. Wallace♦
23k872111
23k872111
asked Nov 23 at 11:44
Charlie Tizzard Ó Kevlahan
793520
asked Nov 23 at 11:44
Charlie Tizzard Ó Kevlahan
793520
asked Nov 23 at 11:44
Charlie Tizzard Ó Kevlahan
793520
793520
Please consult the Wikipedia and Catholic Encyclopedia articles on this topic.
– Lucian
Nov 26 at 17:38
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Please consult the Wikipedia and Catholic Encyclopedia articles on this topic.
– Lucian
Nov 26 at 17:38
Please consult the Wikipedia and Catholic Encyclopedia articles on this topic.
– Lucian
Nov 26 at 17:38
Please consult the Wikipedia and Catholic Encyclopedia articles on this topic.
– Lucian
Nov 26 at 17:38
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In his History of the Councils of the Church, Volume 3, Charles Hefele records that:
... the Latin Emperor Valentinian III came with his wife Eudoxia (a daughter of Theodosius II.), and his mother Galla Placidia (aunt of Theodosius), to Rome, in order to pay his devotions there on the Festival of the holy Apostle Peter (at the Festival of the See of Peter, S. Peter’s Day, February 22, 450)
- p266 (my emphasis)
As the Wikipedia page on St Peter notes,
In the Roman Rite, the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter is celebrated on 22 February
This is confirmed on the website of the Liturgy Office of The Catholic Church in England and Wales.
So it would appear that the date of the festival has remained unchanged on 22 February since at least the fifth century.
answered Nov 23 at 11:56
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I think there is confusion between the “see of Peter” (sedes Petri), meaning the city of Rome and (in a narrower sense) the papal court, and the “chair of Peter” (cathedra Petri), the physical chair built into the high altar in the Basilica of St Peter. The latter has only been in Rome since the 9th century, so the Council of Tours could not have referred to this.
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:18
@fdb The 'chair' in the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter on February 22 refers to the See of Antioch. (the festival for the See of Peter at Rome was on 18 January). See also Catholic Culture.org
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 17:26
So was the physical cathedra of Peter kept in Antioch before being removed to Rome?
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:42
Is this date given in the Julian Calendar -- not matching today's feast day?
– Aaron Brick
Nov 23 at 17:58
@fdb My understanding is that there were 2 physical cathedrae venerated by the early church, I couldn't say whether either were ever in Antioch, and neither survive today. Apparently, the festival on 22 February was originally the most important of the two which, I suppose, is why Dr Hefele refers to that date for the Festival of the See of Peter.
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 18:38
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In his History of the Councils of the Church, Volume 3, Charles Hefele records that:
... the Latin Emperor Valentinian III came with his wife Eudoxia (a daughter of Theodosius II.), and his mother Galla Placidia (aunt of Theodosius), to Rome, in order to pay his devotions there on the Festival of the holy Apostle Peter (at the Festival of the See of Peter, S. Peter’s Day, February 22, 450)
- p266 (my emphasis)
As the Wikipedia page on St Peter notes,
In the Roman Rite, the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter is celebrated on 22 February
This is confirmed on the website of the Liturgy Office of The Catholic Church in England and Wales.
So it would appear that the date of the festival has remained unchanged on 22 February since at least the fifth century.
answered Nov 23 at 11:56
sempaiscuba♦
45.8k5159204
I think there is confusion between the “see of Peter” (sedes Petri), meaning the city of Rome and (in a narrower sense) the papal court, and the “chair of Peter” (cathedra Petri), the physical chair built into the high altar in the Basilica of St Peter. The latter has only been in Rome since the 9th century, so the Council of Tours could not have referred to this.
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:18
@fdb The 'chair' in the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter on February 22 refers to the See of Antioch. (the festival for the See of Peter at Rome was on 18 January). See also Catholic Culture.org
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 17:26
So was the physical cathedra of Peter kept in Antioch before being removed to Rome?
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:42
Is this date given in the Julian Calendar -- not matching today's feast day?
– Aaron Brick
Nov 23 at 17:58
@fdb My understanding is that there were 2 physical cathedrae venerated by the early church, I couldn't say whether either were ever in Antioch, and neither survive today. Apparently, the festival on 22 February was originally the most important of the two which, I suppose, is why Dr Hefele refers to that date for the Festival of the See of Peter.
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 18:38
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show 9 more comments
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
In his History of the Councils of the Church, Volume 3, Charles Hefele records that:
... the Latin Emperor Valentinian III came with his wife Eudoxia (a daughter of Theodosius II.), and his mother Galla Placidia (aunt of Theodosius), to Rome, in order to pay his devotions there on the Festival of the holy Apostle Peter (at the Festival of the See of Peter, S. Peter’s Day, February 22, 450)
- p266 (my emphasis)
As the Wikipedia page on St Peter notes,
In the Roman Rite, the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter is celebrated on 22 February
This is confirmed on the website of the Liturgy Office of The Catholic Church in England and Wales.
So it would appear that the date of the festival has remained unchanged on 22 February since at least the fifth century.
answered Nov 23 at 11:56
sempaiscuba♦
45.8k5159204
I think there is confusion between the “see of Peter” (sedes Petri), meaning the city of Rome and (in a narrower sense) the papal court, and the “chair of Peter” (cathedra Petri), the physical chair built into the high altar in the Basilica of St Peter. The latter has only been in Rome since the 9th century, so the Council of Tours could not have referred to this.
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:18
@fdb The 'chair' in the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter on February 22 refers to the See of Antioch. (the festival for the See of Peter at Rome was on 18 January). See also Catholic Culture.org
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 17:26
So was the physical cathedra of Peter kept in Antioch before being removed to Rome?
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:42
Is this date given in the Julian Calendar -- not matching today's feast day?
– Aaron Brick
Nov 23 at 17:58
@fdb My understanding is that there were 2 physical cathedrae venerated by the early church, I couldn't say whether either were ever in Antioch, and neither survive today. Apparently, the festival on 22 February was originally the most important of the two which, I suppose, is why Dr Hefele refers to that date for the Festival of the See of Peter.
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 18:38
|
show 9 more comments
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
In his History of the Councils of the Church, Volume 3, Charles Hefele records that:
... the Latin Emperor Valentinian III came with his wife Eudoxia (a daughter of Theodosius II.), and his mother Galla Placidia (aunt of Theodosius), to Rome, in order to pay his devotions there on the Festival of the holy Apostle Peter (at the Festival of the See of Peter, S. Peter’s Day, February 22, 450)
- p266 (my emphasis)
As the Wikipedia page on St Peter notes,
In the Roman Rite, the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter is celebrated on 22 February
This is confirmed on the website of the Liturgy Office of The Catholic Church in England and Wales.
So it would appear that the date of the festival has remained unchanged on 22 February since at least the fifth century.
answered Nov 23 at 11:56
sempaiscuba♦
45.8k5159204
In his History of the Councils of the Church, Volume 3, Charles Hefele records that:
... the Latin Emperor Valentinian III came with his wife Eudoxia (a daughter of Theodosius II.), and his mother Galla Placidia (aunt of Theodosius), to Rome, in order to pay his devotions there on the Festival of the holy Apostle Peter (at the Festival of the See of Peter, S. Peter’s Day, February 22, 450)
- p266 (my emphasis)
As the Wikipedia page on St Peter notes,
In the Roman Rite, the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter is celebrated on 22 February
This is confirmed on the website of the Liturgy Office of The Catholic Church in England and Wales.
So it would appear that the date of the festival has remained unchanged on 22 February since at least the fifth century.
answered Nov 23 at 11:56
sempaiscuba♦
45.8k5159204
answered Nov 23 at 11:56
sempaiscuba♦
45.8k5159204
answered Nov 23 at 11:56
sempaiscuba♦
45.8k5159204
answered Nov 23 at 11:56
sempaiscuba♦
45.8k5159204
45.8k5159204
I think there is confusion between the “see of Peter” (sedes Petri), meaning the city of Rome and (in a narrower sense) the papal court, and the “chair of Peter” (cathedra Petri), the physical chair built into the high altar in the Basilica of St Peter. The latter has only been in Rome since the 9th century, so the Council of Tours could not have referred to this.
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:18
@fdb The 'chair' in the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter on February 22 refers to the See of Antioch. (the festival for the See of Peter at Rome was on 18 January). See also Catholic Culture.org
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 17:26
So was the physical cathedra of Peter kept in Antioch before being removed to Rome?
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:42
Is this date given in the Julian Calendar -- not matching today's feast day?
– Aaron Brick
Nov 23 at 17:58
@fdb My understanding is that there were 2 physical cathedrae venerated by the early church, I couldn't say whether either were ever in Antioch, and neither survive today. Apparently, the festival on 22 February was originally the most important of the two which, I suppose, is why Dr Hefele refers to that date for the Festival of the See of Peter.
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 18:38
|
show 9 more comments
I think there is confusion between the “see of Peter” (sedes Petri), meaning the city of Rome and (in a narrower sense) the papal court, and the “chair of Peter” (cathedra Petri), the physical chair built into the high altar in the Basilica of St Peter. The latter has only been in Rome since the 9th century, so the Council of Tours could not have referred to this.
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:18
@fdb The 'chair' in the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter on February 22 refers to the See of Antioch. (the festival for the See of Peter at Rome was on 18 January). See also Catholic Culture.org
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 17:26
So was the physical cathedra of Peter kept in Antioch before being removed to Rome?
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:42
Is this date given in the Julian Calendar -- not matching today's feast day?
– Aaron Brick
Nov 23 at 17:58
@fdb My understanding is that there were 2 physical cathedrae venerated by the early church, I couldn't say whether either were ever in Antioch, and neither survive today. Apparently, the festival on 22 February was originally the most important of the two which, I suppose, is why Dr Hefele refers to that date for the Festival of the See of Peter.
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 18:38
I think there is confusion between the “see of Peter” (sedes Petri), meaning the city of Rome and (in a narrower sense) the papal court, and the “chair of Peter” (cathedra Petri), the physical chair built into the high altar in the Basilica of St Peter. The latter has only been in Rome since the 9th century, so the Council of Tours could not have referred to this.
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:18
I think there is confusion between the “see of Peter” (sedes Petri), meaning the city of Rome and (in a narrower sense) the papal court, and the “chair of Peter” (cathedra Petri), the physical chair built into the high altar in the Basilica of St Peter. The latter has only been in Rome since the 9th century, so the Council of Tours could not have referred to this.
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:18
@fdb The 'chair' in the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter on February 22 refers to the See of Antioch. (the festival for the See of Peter at Rome was on 18 January). See also Catholic Culture.org
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 17:26
@fdb The 'chair' in the feast of the Chair of Saint Peter on February 22 refers to the See of Antioch. (the festival for the See of Peter at Rome was on 18 January). See also Catholic Culture.org
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 17:26
So was the physical cathedra of Peter kept in Antioch before being removed to Rome?
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:42
So was the physical cathedra of Peter kept in Antioch before being removed to Rome?
– fdb
Nov 23 at 17:42
Is this date given in the Julian Calendar -- not matching today's feast day?
– Aaron Brick
Nov 23 at 17:58
Is this date given in the Julian Calendar -- not matching today's feast day?
– Aaron Brick
Nov 23 at 17:58
@fdb My understanding is that there were 2 physical cathedrae venerated by the early church, I couldn't say whether either were ever in Antioch, and neither survive today. Apparently, the festival on 22 February was originally the most important of the two which, I suppose, is why Dr Hefele refers to that date for the Festival of the See of Peter.
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 18:38
@fdb My understanding is that there were 2 physical cathedrae venerated by the early church, I couldn't say whether either were ever in Antioch, and neither survive today. Apparently, the festival on 22 February was originally the most important of the two which, I suppose, is why Dr Hefele refers to that date for the Festival of the See of Peter.
– sempaiscuba♦
Nov 23 at 18:38
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