Strange VIH and VIL specification of MIC4451
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In MIC4451's datasheet, it shows:
The $V_IH$ min. is 2.4V, then where the smaller typical value 1.3V come from? The same is $V_IL$, why it has a typical value larger than the max. value?
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In MIC4451's datasheet, it shows:
The $V_IH$ min. is 2.4V, then where the smaller typical value 1.3V come from? The same is $V_IL$, why it has a typical value larger than the max. value?
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Janka nailed it... This is how these are almost always specified. It becomes 2nd nature over time.
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Nov 23 at 16:11
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In MIC4451's datasheet, it shows:
The $V_IH$ min. is 2.4V, then where the smaller typical value 1.3V come from? The same is $V_IL$, why it has a typical value larger than the max. value?
mic4451
asked Nov 23 at 14:18
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In MIC4451's datasheet, it shows:
The $V_IH$ min. is 2.4V, then where the smaller typical value 1.3V come from? The same is $V_IL$, why it has a typical value larger than the max. value?
mic4451
mic4451
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asked Nov 23 at 14:18
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asked Nov 23 at 14:18
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Janka nailed it... This is how these are almost always specified. It becomes 2nd nature over time.
– MadHatter
Nov 23 at 16:11
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Janka nailed it... This is how these are almost always specified. It becomes 2nd nature over time.
– MadHatter
Nov 23 at 16:11
Janka nailed it... This is how these are almost always specified. It becomes 2nd nature over time.
– MadHatter
Nov 23 at 16:11
Janka nailed it... This is how these are almost always specified. It becomes 2nd nature over time.
– MadHatter
Nov 23 at 16:11
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This is a TTL compatible input.
- 2.4V and above is guaranteed to be understood as logic 1, but typical 1.3V or above is sufficient.
- 0.8V and below is guaranteed to be understood as logic 0, but typical 1.1V or below is sufficient.
answered Nov 23 at 14:27
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This is, in my opinion, a confusing usage of the terms max and min. What they're saying is that the minimum voltage you should apply to an input that you want to drive high is 2.4V, but a typical device will read anything down to 1.3V as high--it's just not guaranteed.
Likewise, the maximum voltage you should apply when driving a signal low is 0.8V, but typical devices will interpret up to 1.1V as low.
It does feel backwards to me, too; you're not alone in that.
answered Nov 23 at 14:36
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Are they promising 0.2 volts of hysteresis?
– analogsystemsrf
Nov 23 at 14:49
@analogsystemsrf No, I don't think there's any hysteresis in this. The region between 1.1 and 1.3 volts I would assume has undefined behavior. The device is fundamentally a high-current, fast logic buffer, so I'm guessing it would have a region where it outputs something between its output high and output low voltages, and they're just saying that this region is typically no more than 0.2 volts wide. This is, however, all a guess. Undocumented behavior shouldn't be used in an actual design, of course!
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 15:11
I would describe 2.4 as a max, since it's the highest value Vih could take on an acceptable part — but the concept of maximum minimums tends to confuse people, who would read the datasheet and decide that they shouldn't apply a voltage above 2.4V. Sometimes there's no winning.
– hobbs
Nov 23 at 20:26
@hobbs Even in the most precise technical fields, language is sometimes hard.
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 20:31
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
5
down vote
accepted
This is a TTL compatible input.
- 2.4V and above is guaranteed to be understood as logic 1, but typical 1.3V or above is sufficient.
- 0.8V and below is guaranteed to be understood as logic 0, but typical 1.1V or below is sufficient.
answered Nov 23 at 14:27
Janka
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This is a TTL compatible input.
- 2.4V and above is guaranteed to be understood as logic 1, but typical 1.3V or above is sufficient.
- 0.8V and below is guaranteed to be understood as logic 0, but typical 1.1V or below is sufficient.
answered Nov 23 at 14:27
Janka
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up vote
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up vote
5
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accepted
This is a TTL compatible input.
- 2.4V and above is guaranteed to be understood as logic 1, but typical 1.3V or above is sufficient.
- 0.8V and below is guaranteed to be understood as logic 0, but typical 1.1V or below is sufficient.
answered Nov 23 at 14:27
Janka
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This is a TTL compatible input.
- 2.4V and above is guaranteed to be understood as logic 1, but typical 1.3V or above is sufficient.
- 0.8V and below is guaranteed to be understood as logic 0, but typical 1.1V or below is sufficient.
answered Nov 23 at 14:27
Janka
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answered Nov 23 at 14:27
Janka
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Janka
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answered Nov 23 at 14:27
Janka
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This is, in my opinion, a confusing usage of the terms max and min. What they're saying is that the minimum voltage you should apply to an input that you want to drive high is 2.4V, but a typical device will read anything down to 1.3V as high--it's just not guaranteed.
Likewise, the maximum voltage you should apply when driving a signal low is 0.8V, but typical devices will interpret up to 1.1V as low.
It does feel backwards to me, too; you're not alone in that.
answered Nov 23 at 14:36
Hearth
3,385931
Are they promising 0.2 volts of hysteresis?
– analogsystemsrf
Nov 23 at 14:49
@analogsystemsrf No, I don't think there's any hysteresis in this. The region between 1.1 and 1.3 volts I would assume has undefined behavior. The device is fundamentally a high-current, fast logic buffer, so I'm guessing it would have a region where it outputs something between its output high and output low voltages, and they're just saying that this region is typically no more than 0.2 volts wide. This is, however, all a guess. Undocumented behavior shouldn't be used in an actual design, of course!
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 15:11
I would describe 2.4 as a max, since it's the highest value Vih could take on an acceptable part — but the concept of maximum minimums tends to confuse people, who would read the datasheet and decide that they shouldn't apply a voltage above 2.4V. Sometimes there's no winning.
– hobbs
Nov 23 at 20:26
@hobbs Even in the most precise technical fields, language is sometimes hard.
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 20:31
add a comment |
up vote
9
down vote
This is, in my opinion, a confusing usage of the terms max and min. What they're saying is that the minimum voltage you should apply to an input that you want to drive high is 2.4V, but a typical device will read anything down to 1.3V as high--it's just not guaranteed.
Likewise, the maximum voltage you should apply when driving a signal low is 0.8V, but typical devices will interpret up to 1.1V as low.
It does feel backwards to me, too; you're not alone in that.
answered Nov 23 at 14:36
Hearth
3,385931
Are they promising 0.2 volts of hysteresis?
– analogsystemsrf
Nov 23 at 14:49
@analogsystemsrf No, I don't think there's any hysteresis in this. The region between 1.1 and 1.3 volts I would assume has undefined behavior. The device is fundamentally a high-current, fast logic buffer, so I'm guessing it would have a region where it outputs something between its output high and output low voltages, and they're just saying that this region is typically no more than 0.2 volts wide. This is, however, all a guess. Undocumented behavior shouldn't be used in an actual design, of course!
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 15:11
I would describe 2.4 as a max, since it's the highest value Vih could take on an acceptable part — but the concept of maximum minimums tends to confuse people, who would read the datasheet and decide that they shouldn't apply a voltage above 2.4V. Sometimes there's no winning.
– hobbs
Nov 23 at 20:26
@hobbs Even in the most precise technical fields, language is sometimes hard.
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 20:31
add a comment |
up vote
9
down vote
up vote
9
down vote
This is, in my opinion, a confusing usage of the terms max and min. What they're saying is that the minimum voltage you should apply to an input that you want to drive high is 2.4V, but a typical device will read anything down to 1.3V as high--it's just not guaranteed.
Likewise, the maximum voltage you should apply when driving a signal low is 0.8V, but typical devices will interpret up to 1.1V as low.
It does feel backwards to me, too; you're not alone in that.
answered Nov 23 at 14:36
Hearth
3,385931
This is, in my opinion, a confusing usage of the terms max and min. What they're saying is that the minimum voltage you should apply to an input that you want to drive high is 2.4V, but a typical device will read anything down to 1.3V as high--it's just not guaranteed.
Likewise, the maximum voltage you should apply when driving a signal low is 0.8V, but typical devices will interpret up to 1.1V as low.
It does feel backwards to me, too; you're not alone in that.
answered Nov 23 at 14:36
Hearth
3,385931
answered Nov 23 at 14:36
Hearth
3,385931
answered Nov 23 at 14:36
Hearth
3,385931
answered Nov 23 at 14:36
Hearth
3,385931
3,385931
Are they promising 0.2 volts of hysteresis?
– analogsystemsrf
Nov 23 at 14:49
@analogsystemsrf No, I don't think there's any hysteresis in this. The region between 1.1 and 1.3 volts I would assume has undefined behavior. The device is fundamentally a high-current, fast logic buffer, so I'm guessing it would have a region where it outputs something between its output high and output low voltages, and they're just saying that this region is typically no more than 0.2 volts wide. This is, however, all a guess. Undocumented behavior shouldn't be used in an actual design, of course!
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 15:11
I would describe 2.4 as a max, since it's the highest value Vih could take on an acceptable part — but the concept of maximum minimums tends to confuse people, who would read the datasheet and decide that they shouldn't apply a voltage above 2.4V. Sometimes there's no winning.
– hobbs
Nov 23 at 20:26
@hobbs Even in the most precise technical fields, language is sometimes hard.
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 20:31
add a comment |
Are they promising 0.2 volts of hysteresis?
– analogsystemsrf
Nov 23 at 14:49
@analogsystemsrf No, I don't think there's any hysteresis in this. The region between 1.1 and 1.3 volts I would assume has undefined behavior. The device is fundamentally a high-current, fast logic buffer, so I'm guessing it would have a region where it outputs something between its output high and output low voltages, and they're just saying that this region is typically no more than 0.2 volts wide. This is, however, all a guess. Undocumented behavior shouldn't be used in an actual design, of course!
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 15:11
I would describe 2.4 as a max, since it's the highest value Vih could take on an acceptable part — but the concept of maximum minimums tends to confuse people, who would read the datasheet and decide that they shouldn't apply a voltage above 2.4V. Sometimes there's no winning.
– hobbs
Nov 23 at 20:26
@hobbs Even in the most precise technical fields, language is sometimes hard.
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 20:31
Are they promising 0.2 volts of hysteresis?
– analogsystemsrf
Nov 23 at 14:49
Are they promising 0.2 volts of hysteresis?
– analogsystemsrf
Nov 23 at 14:49
@analogsystemsrf No, I don't think there's any hysteresis in this. The region between 1.1 and 1.3 volts I would assume has undefined behavior. The device is fundamentally a high-current, fast logic buffer, so I'm guessing it would have a region where it outputs something between its output high and output low voltages, and they're just saying that this region is typically no more than 0.2 volts wide. This is, however, all a guess. Undocumented behavior shouldn't be used in an actual design, of course!
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 15:11
@analogsystemsrf No, I don't think there's any hysteresis in this. The region between 1.1 and 1.3 volts I would assume has undefined behavior. The device is fundamentally a high-current, fast logic buffer, so I'm guessing it would have a region where it outputs something between its output high and output low voltages, and they're just saying that this region is typically no more than 0.2 volts wide. This is, however, all a guess. Undocumented behavior shouldn't be used in an actual design, of course!
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 15:11
I would describe 2.4 as a max, since it's the highest value Vih could take on an acceptable part — but the concept of maximum minimums tends to confuse people, who would read the datasheet and decide that they shouldn't apply a voltage above 2.4V. Sometimes there's no winning.
– hobbs
Nov 23 at 20:26
I would describe 2.4 as a max, since it's the highest value Vih could take on an acceptable part — but the concept of maximum minimums tends to confuse people, who would read the datasheet and decide that they shouldn't apply a voltage above 2.4V. Sometimes there's no winning.
– hobbs
Nov 23 at 20:26
@hobbs Even in the most precise technical fields, language is sometimes hard.
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 20:31
@hobbs Even in the most precise technical fields, language is sometimes hard.
– Hearth
Nov 23 at 20:31
add a comment |
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Janka nailed it... This is how these are almost always specified. It becomes 2nd nature over time.
– MadHatter
Nov 23 at 16:11