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I own a pharmacy, and I have an employee who has been working for me for the past 5 years. However, he has recently started stealing money from the cash counter.
Maybe he thinks that I will not check camera footage every day, but a few days ago I checked footage for my own need and found out that he was stealing money from cash counter. It was not such a big amount, but it is now bothering me...
I really want to ask, should I fire him or should I talk to him about this? He belongs to a poor family and father of four children. I am paying him PKR 2,000 per month, and he is stealing PKR 300-500, not regularly but sometimes.
He is still a very trustworthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times. Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away? Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money?
Stealing is a bad habit, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
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I own a pharmacy, and I have an employee who has been working for me for the past 5 years. However, he has recently started stealing money from the cash counter.
Maybe he thinks that I will not check camera footage every day, but a few days ago I checked footage for my own need and found out that he was stealing money from cash counter. It was not such a big amount, but it is now bothering me...
I really want to ask, should I fire him or should I talk to him about this? He belongs to a poor family and father of four children. I am paying him PKR 2,000 per month, and he is stealing PKR 300-500, not regularly but sometimes.
He is still a very trustworthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times. Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away? Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money?
Stealing is a bad habit, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
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I own a pharmacy, and I have an employee who has been working for me for the past 5 years. However, he has recently started stealing money from the cash counter.
Maybe he thinks that I will not check camera footage every day, but a few days ago I checked footage for my own need and found out that he was stealing money from cash counter. It was not such a big amount, but it is now bothering me...
I really want to ask, should I fire him or should I talk to him about this? He belongs to a poor family and father of four children. I am paying him PKR 2,000 per month, and he is stealing PKR 300-500, not regularly but sometimes.
He is still a very trustworthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times. Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away? Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money?
Stealing is a bad habit, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
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I own a pharmacy, and I have an employee who has been working for me for the past 5 years. However, he has recently started stealing money from the cash counter.
Maybe he thinks that I will not check camera footage every day, but a few days ago I checked footage for my own need and found out that he was stealing money from cash counter. It was not such a big amount, but it is now bothering me...
I really want to ask, should I fire him or should I talk to him about this? He belongs to a poor family and father of four children. I am paying him PKR 2,000 per month, and he is stealing PKR 300-500, not regularly but sometimes.
He is still a very trustworthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times. Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away? Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money?
Stealing is a bad habit, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
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I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
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We really need clarification from OP about the salary now. You claim that the salary was already much higher than average, and after your answer, someone just randomly bumped the salary to ten times more.
– pipe
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@pipe I actually read the salary as being the 20,000 figure in the first place (courtesy of the comma acting to my UK-based brain as a "thousands" separator I assume) - so if that is the correct figure then my answer and calculations still hold. If it's actually the 2,000 figure then that would change things a bit so agree that clarification from the OP would be ideal.
– motosubatsu
16 hours ago
I think you should discuss with him and then make your next action solely dependent on his reaction. I'd probably even give him the chance to lie--if he's going to lie to you then you will know you can't ever trust him, but if he comes clean without being told of the footage and has a reason, I'd try to work within that reason. If he doesn't lie, has a valid reason and regrets what he did then I think that after the discussion he will be more reliable than a new employee. Be sure you can know if he's stealing drugs though and look for signs drug abuse, if so you must fire him.
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He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
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should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
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to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
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If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
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+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
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Re: "One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store": Is there more to that story? I don't even understand why someone would go into a store and steal a 19¢ pen.
– ruakh
8 hours ago
@ruakh because from the employee's perspective taking a $10 pen would be stealing while taking a $0.19 pen is not. The employee likely was able to rationalize the minor theft because of some reason like being in a rush and not having time to go through the check out. However this creates a dangerous mindset that can lead to being able to rationalize thefts that gradually get bigger.
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He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
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It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
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Then I would question why the OP is not paying the employee enough to literally eat.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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@RobertFrost I have no idea how his pay relates to the cost of living there. He's only getting about $15USD/Month. This can't be a real figure or the COL must be very different or he would have already starved to death.
– Terry Carmen
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2000 PKR is ~$15 a month... or $180/year... the average Pakistani salary is $15k/year... So either the OP is off by an order of magnitude or is paying very poorly. averagesalarysurvey.com/pakistan
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If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
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In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
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The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
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@Blueriver Don't get me wrong. We do have a moral obligation to help others. But those who need help have an equally weighty obligation to respect property rights, even if someone decides to withhold their help. Taking by force or deception from someone who decides to withhold their help is no more right than they withholding it.
– jpmc26
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Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
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@dn3s Whether or not you believe that they are morally absolved from blame in such a case, you simply cannot leap to the conclusion that what they are about to steal "belongs to them". That's patently nonsense.
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Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
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@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
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Point is that's for them to decide.
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If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
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Stealing is a Crime !
You seem to have lost sight of this absolutely fundamental fact.
Call the police. Drop into a station and ask them what to do. It is their job to handle such things.
Also note : if he steals money, does he also steal drugs ? Does he take in prescriptions which he knows are false ? This could be the tip of the iceberg - criminals actions like theft rarely stop at one thing. This one person could do tremendous damage to you, your business and your reputation and indeed your family.
Any policeman will tell you that when you uncover one small lie, it's often the start of a trail of lies, sometimes leading to the discovery of bigger (and unrelated) crimes. It's your duty to tell the police.
He is still a very trustworthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
Understand that criminals often do project a nice and trusting personality - it's part of the requirement of getting into a trusted position. As your own indecision shows, it also helps keep them from being punished.
Don't fall for that old con.
Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away ?
Police first. Get advice from people who understand crime.
It's what they're there for.
Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money.
No it's not OK.
If this person simply needed more wages, then they should simply have asked for a raise. You don't sound like an unreasonable person, so they presumably have no reason to think you would be unreasonable.
What they are doing is wrong. There are many good people who would do your job and never steal from you under any circumstances. Why should this person get the benefit of your kindness when they have no moral right to it ?
Stealing is a bad habit
Stealing is a crime. That all.
Would you steal ? What would it take to make you steal ?
It is an exploitation of your good nature.
, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
Do not confuse your morality with this persons. My experience is that criminals feel a sense of entitlement and have no real sense of right and wrong. No amount of telling them about right and wrong will give them one.
My view is that this person has cynically manipulated you and your trust. You feel guilty because they want you to feel that way.
I, unfortunately, have dealt with too many crooks who do these things. It's what they do. It's a plan, part of how they get into positions of trust and exploit them for as long as possible with the minimum of consequences.
Do not let this person get away with it.
Mercy is for the court (if it ever reaches court). They can decide, with a more complete knowledge of the individual's circumstances and true history, what sentence if appropriate - a fine, repay victim, perhaps prison. That's what courts are for.
You may not really know the person you think you do. Five years may sound like long enough to know someone, but I've seen ongoing thefts from employers that went back twenty years when people started digging into the facts.
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+1 for this person may not be only stealing money, they could be stealing drugs too or messing with prescriptions or committing fraud, and also for don't talk to this person first--it would give them an opportunity to react dangerously or to flee and evade arrest, making an investigation more difficult and increasing the chance they do this at the next pharmacy they work at.
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
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@RobertFrost in which case inventory will be missing.
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I don't think that is good to steal money from You.
Are you sure that he didn't give you this money back? Have you watched all recordings? Maybe your employee had dissicult situation and needed money in exact date, but he DID return whole amount to cash counter. It will partly justifie his action.
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And how do you suggest the OP should deal with his employee?
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I appreciate your predicament which reflects your care towards your employee.
Stealing, though a sin as well as a crime, is a reflection of an immoral way of satisfying some lack.
As you mentioned he is from a poor background and since I don't know his age, family and circumstances, might not be able to make assumptions but running a family on less than 15 dollars a month, would be hard. Here in India a pharmacy helper would get at least 50-100 dollars.
As an Argentinan wrote that in Argentina they would be retained, I would suggest the same and also, if you can manage increase around 300 PAK ruppes /3 dollars (if you can afford it financially) letting him know you are aware of his stealing and encouraging him to be honest of his intentions than resorting to immoral means. Forgiveness and love is the message of all our religions and at these situations, we must show kindness to people, in image, of our messengers.
However if you want to punish him, best fire him but reporting him to the police will make his life miserable, as poor people are treated really bad by police of most countries.
And like you said 'stealing is a bad habit ' and something which can be unlearnt, easely.
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this post is rather hard to read (wall of text). Would you mind editing it into a better shape?
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@gnat appreciate the feedback. Did put it in paragraphs hoping it improves
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I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
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We really need clarification from OP about the salary now. You claim that the salary was already much higher than average, and after your answer, someone just randomly bumped the salary to ten times more.
– pipe
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@pipe I actually read the salary as being the 20,000 figure in the first place (courtesy of the comma acting to my UK-based brain as a "thousands" separator I assume) - so if that is the correct figure then my answer and calculations still hold. If it's actually the 2,000 figure then that would change things a bit so agree that clarification from the OP would be ideal.
– motosubatsu
16 hours ago
I think you should discuss with him and then make your next action solely dependent on his reaction. I'd probably even give him the chance to lie--if he's going to lie to you then you will know you can't ever trust him, but if he comes clean without being told of the footage and has a reason, I'd try to work within that reason. If he doesn't lie, has a valid reason and regrets what he did then I think that after the discussion he will be more reliable than a new employee. Be sure you can know if he's stealing drugs though and look for signs drug abuse, if so you must fire him.
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I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
yesterday
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We really need clarification from OP about the salary now. You claim that the salary was already much higher than average, and after your answer, someone just randomly bumped the salary to ten times more.
– pipe
16 hours ago
@pipe I actually read the salary as being the 20,000 figure in the first place (courtesy of the comma acting to my UK-based brain as a "thousands" separator I assume) - so if that is the correct figure then my answer and calculations still hold. If it's actually the 2,000 figure then that would change things a bit so agree that clarification from the OP would be ideal.
– motosubatsu
16 hours ago
I think you should discuss with him and then make your next action solely dependent on his reaction. I'd probably even give him the chance to lie--if he's going to lie to you then you will know you can't ever trust him, but if he comes clean without being told of the footage and has a reason, I'd try to work within that reason. If he doesn't lie, has a valid reason and regrets what he did then I think that after the discussion he will be more reliable than a new employee. Be sure you can know if he's stealing drugs though and look for signs drug abuse, if so you must fire him.
– Bill K
8 hours ago
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I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
yesterday
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We really need clarification from OP about the salary now. You claim that the salary was already much higher than average, and after your answer, someone just randomly bumped the salary to ten times more.
– pipe
16 hours ago
@pipe I actually read the salary as being the 20,000 figure in the first place (courtesy of the comma acting to my UK-based brain as a "thousands" separator I assume) - so if that is the correct figure then my answer and calculations still hold. If it's actually the 2,000 figure then that would change things a bit so agree that clarification from the OP would be ideal.
– motosubatsu
16 hours ago
I think you should discuss with him and then make your next action solely dependent on his reaction. I'd probably even give him the chance to lie--if he's going to lie to you then you will know you can't ever trust him, but if he comes clean without being told of the footage and has a reason, I'd try to work within that reason. If he doesn't lie, has a valid reason and regrets what he did then I think that after the discussion he will be more reliable than a new employee. Be sure you can know if he's stealing drugs though and look for signs drug abuse, if so you must fire him.
– Bill K
8 hours ago
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
yesterday
2
We really need clarification from OP about the salary now. You claim that the salary was already much higher than average, and after your answer, someone just randomly bumped the salary to ten times more.
– pipe
16 hours ago
@pipe I actually read the salary as being the 20,000 figure in the first place (courtesy of the comma acting to my UK-based brain as a "thousands" separator I assume) - so if that is the correct figure then my answer and calculations still hold. If it's actually the 2,000 figure then that would change things a bit so agree that clarification from the OP would be ideal.
– motosubatsu
16 hours ago
I think you should discuss with him and then make your next action solely dependent on his reaction. I'd probably even give him the chance to lie--if he's going to lie to you then you will know you can't ever trust him, but if he comes clean without being told of the footage and has a reason, I'd try to work within that reason. If he doesn't lie, has a valid reason and regrets what he did then I think that after the discussion he will be more reliable than a new employee. Be sure you can know if he's stealing drugs though and look for signs drug abuse, if so you must fire him.
– Bill K
8 hours ago
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
yesterday
I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
yesterday
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We really need clarification from OP about the salary now. You claim that the salary was already much higher than average, and after your answer, someone just randomly bumped the salary to ten times more.
– pipe
16 hours ago
We really need clarification from OP about the salary now. You claim that the salary was already much higher than average, and after your answer, someone just randomly bumped the salary to ten times more.
– pipe
16 hours ago
@pipe I actually read the salary as being the 20,000 figure in the first place (courtesy of the comma acting to my UK-based brain as a "thousands" separator I assume) - so if that is the correct figure then my answer and calculations still hold. If it's actually the 2,000 figure then that would change things a bit so agree that clarification from the OP would be ideal.
– motosubatsu
16 hours ago
@pipe I actually read the salary as being the 20,000 figure in the first place (courtesy of the comma acting to my UK-based brain as a "thousands" separator I assume) - so if that is the correct figure then my answer and calculations still hold. If it's actually the 2,000 figure then that would change things a bit so agree that clarification from the OP would be ideal.
– motosubatsu
16 hours ago
I think you should discuss with him and then make your next action solely dependent on his reaction. I'd probably even give him the chance to lie--if he's going to lie to you then you will know you can't ever trust him, but if he comes clean without being told of the footage and has a reason, I'd try to work within that reason. If he doesn't lie, has a valid reason and regrets what he did then I think that after the discussion he will be more reliable than a new employee. Be sure you can know if he's stealing drugs though and look for signs drug abuse, if so you must fire him.
– Bill K
8 hours ago
I think you should discuss with him and then make your next action solely dependent on his reaction. I'd probably even give him the chance to lie--if he's going to lie to you then you will know you can't ever trust him, but if he comes clean without being told of the footage and has a reason, I'd try to work within that reason. If he doesn't lie, has a valid reason and regrets what he did then I think that after the discussion he will be more reliable than a new employee. Be sure you can know if he's stealing drugs though and look for signs drug abuse, if so you must fire him.
– Bill K
8 hours ago
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He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
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He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
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He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
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should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
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to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
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If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
yesterday
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+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
yesterday
Re: "One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store": Is there more to that story? I don't even understand why someone would go into a store and steal a 19¢ pen.
– ruakh
8 hours ago
@ruakh because from the employee's perspective taking a $10 pen would be stealing while taking a $0.19 pen is not. The employee likely was able to rationalize the minor theft because of some reason like being in a rush and not having time to go through the check out. However this creates a dangerous mindset that can lead to being able to rationalize thefts that gradually get bigger.
– Anketam
7 hours ago
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should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
22
to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
yesterday
3
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
yesterday
7
+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
yesterday
Re: "One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store": Is there more to that story? I don't even understand why someone would go into a store and steal a 19¢ pen.
– ruakh
8 hours ago
@ruakh because from the employee's perspective taking a $10 pen would be stealing while taking a $0.19 pen is not. The employee likely was able to rationalize the minor theft because of some reason like being in a rush and not having time to go through the check out. However this creates a dangerous mindset that can lead to being able to rationalize thefts that gradually get bigger.
– Anketam
7 hours ago
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should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
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to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
yesterday
3
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
yesterday
7
+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
yesterday
Re: "One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store": Is there more to that story? I don't even understand why someone would go into a store and steal a 19¢ pen.
– ruakh
8 hours ago
@ruakh because from the employee's perspective taking a $10 pen would be stealing while taking a $0.19 pen is not. The employee likely was able to rationalize the minor theft because of some reason like being in a rush and not having time to go through the check out. However this creates a dangerous mindset that can lead to being able to rationalize thefts that gradually get bigger.
– Anketam
7 hours ago
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to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
yesterday
3
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
yesterday
7
+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
yesterday
Re: "One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store": Is there more to that story? I don't even understand why someone would go into a store and steal a 19¢ pen.
– ruakh
8 hours ago
@ruakh because from the employee's perspective taking a $10 pen would be stealing while taking a $0.19 pen is not. The employee likely was able to rationalize the minor theft because of some reason like being in a rush and not having time to go through the check out. However this creates a dangerous mindset that can lead to being able to rationalize thefts that gradually get bigger.
– Anketam
7 hours ago
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22
to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
yesterday
to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
yesterday
3
3
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
yesterday
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
yesterday
7
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+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
yesterday
+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
yesterday
Re: "One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store": Is there more to that story? I don't even understand why someone would go into a store and steal a 19¢ pen.
– ruakh
8 hours ago
Re: "One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store": Is there more to that story? I don't even understand why someone would go into a store and steal a 19¢ pen.
– ruakh
8 hours ago
@ruakh because from the employee's perspective taking a $10 pen would be stealing while taking a $0.19 pen is not. The employee likely was able to rationalize the minor theft because of some reason like being in a rush and not having time to go through the check out. However this creates a dangerous mindset that can lead to being able to rationalize thefts that gradually get bigger.
– Anketam
7 hours ago
@ruakh because from the employee's perspective taking a $10 pen would be stealing while taking a $0.19 pen is not. The employee likely was able to rationalize the minor theft because of some reason like being in a rush and not having time to go through the check out. However this creates a dangerous mindset that can lead to being able to rationalize thefts that gradually get bigger.
– Anketam
7 hours ago
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He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
yesterday
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
19 hours ago
Then I would question why the OP is not paying the employee enough to literally eat.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
@RobertFrost I have no idea how his pay relates to the cost of living there. He's only getting about $15USD/Month. This can't be a real figure or the COL must be very different or he would have already starved to death.
– Terry Carmen
13 hours ago
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2000 PKR is ~$15 a month... or $180/year... the average Pakistani salary is $15k/year... So either the OP is off by an order of magnitude or is paying very poorly. averagesalarysurvey.com/pakistan
– WernerCD
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He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
yesterday
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
19 hours ago
Then I would question why the OP is not paying the employee enough to literally eat.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
@RobertFrost I have no idea how his pay relates to the cost of living there. He's only getting about $15USD/Month. This can't be a real figure or the COL must be very different or he would have already starved to death.
– Terry Carmen
13 hours ago
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2000 PKR is ~$15 a month... or $180/year... the average Pakistani salary is $15k/year... So either the OP is off by an order of magnitude or is paying very poorly. averagesalarysurvey.com/pakistan
– WernerCD
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He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
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He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
yesterday
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
19 hours ago
Then I would question why the OP is not paying the employee enough to literally eat.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
@RobertFrost I have no idea how his pay relates to the cost of living there. He's only getting about $15USD/Month. This can't be a real figure or the COL must be very different or he would have already starved to death.
– Terry Carmen
13 hours ago
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2000 PKR is ~$15 a month... or $180/year... the average Pakistani salary is $15k/year... So either the OP is off by an order of magnitude or is paying very poorly. averagesalarysurvey.com/pakistan
– WernerCD
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
yesterday
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
19 hours ago
Then I would question why the OP is not paying the employee enough to literally eat.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
@RobertFrost I have no idea how his pay relates to the cost of living there. He's only getting about $15USD/Month. This can't be a real figure or the COL must be very different or he would have already starved to death.
– Terry Carmen
13 hours ago
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2000 PKR is ~$15 a month... or $180/year... the average Pakistani salary is $15k/year... So either the OP is off by an order of magnitude or is paying very poorly. averagesalarysurvey.com/pakistan
– WernerCD
6 hours ago
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
yesterday
Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
yesterday
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
19 hours ago
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
19 hours ago
Then I would question why the OP is not paying the employee enough to literally eat.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
Then I would question why the OP is not paying the employee enough to literally eat.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
@RobertFrost I have no idea how his pay relates to the cost of living there. He's only getting about $15USD/Month. This can't be a real figure or the COL must be very different or he would have already starved to death.
– Terry Carmen
13 hours ago
@RobertFrost I have no idea how his pay relates to the cost of living there. He's only getting about $15USD/Month. This can't be a real figure or the COL must be very different or he would have already starved to death.
– Terry Carmen
13 hours ago
1
1
2000 PKR is ~$15 a month... or $180/year... the average Pakistani salary is $15k/year... So either the OP is off by an order of magnitude or is paying very poorly. averagesalarysurvey.com/pakistan
– WernerCD
6 hours ago
2000 PKR is ~$15 a month... or $180/year... the average Pakistani salary is $15k/year... So either the OP is off by an order of magnitude or is paying very poorly. averagesalarysurvey.com/pakistan
– WernerCD
6 hours ago
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If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
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If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
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If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
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In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
4
The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
yesterday
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
23 hours ago
1
@Blueriver Don't get me wrong. We do have a moral obligation to help others. But those who need help have an equally weighty obligation to respect property rights, even if someone decides to withhold their help. Taking by force or deception from someone who decides to withhold their help is no more right than they withholding it.
– jpmc26
21 hours ago
3
Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
19 hours ago
3
@dn3s Whether or not you believe that they are morally absolved from blame in such a case, you simply cannot leap to the conclusion that what they are about to steal "belongs to them". That's patently nonsense.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
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In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
4
The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
yesterday
2
@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
23 hours ago
1
@Blueriver Don't get me wrong. We do have a moral obligation to help others. But those who need help have an equally weighty obligation to respect property rights, even if someone decides to withhold their help. Taking by force or deception from someone who decides to withhold their help is no more right than they withholding it.
– jpmc26
21 hours ago
3
Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
19 hours ago
3
@dn3s Whether or not you believe that they are morally absolved from blame in such a case, you simply cannot leap to the conclusion that what they are about to steal "belongs to them". That's patently nonsense.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
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In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
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Blueriver
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The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
yesterday
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
23 hours ago
1
@Blueriver Don't get me wrong. We do have a moral obligation to help others. But those who need help have an equally weighty obligation to respect property rights, even if someone decides to withhold their help. Taking by force or deception from someone who decides to withhold their help is no more right than they withholding it.
– jpmc26
21 hours ago
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Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
19 hours ago
3
@dn3s Whether or not you believe that they are morally absolved from blame in such a case, you simply cannot leap to the conclusion that what they are about to steal "belongs to them". That's patently nonsense.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
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The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
yesterday
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
23 hours ago
1
@Blueriver Don't get me wrong. We do have a moral obligation to help others. But those who need help have an equally weighty obligation to respect property rights, even if someone decides to withhold their help. Taking by force or deception from someone who decides to withhold their help is no more right than they withholding it.
– jpmc26
21 hours ago
3
Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
19 hours ago
3
@dn3s Whether or not you believe that they are morally absolved from blame in such a case, you simply cannot leap to the conclusion that what they are about to steal "belongs to them". That's patently nonsense.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
4
4
The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
yesterday
The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
yesterday
2
2
@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
23 hours ago
@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
23 hours ago
1
1
@Blueriver Don't get me wrong. We do have a moral obligation to help others. But those who need help have an equally weighty obligation to respect property rights, even if someone decides to withhold their help. Taking by force or deception from someone who decides to withhold their help is no more right than they withholding it.
– jpmc26
21 hours ago
@Blueriver Don't get me wrong. We do have a moral obligation to help others. But those who need help have an equally weighty obligation to respect property rights, even if someone decides to withhold their help. Taking by force or deception from someone who decides to withhold their help is no more right than they withholding it.
– jpmc26
21 hours ago
3
3
Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
19 hours ago
Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
19 hours ago
3
3
@dn3s Whether or not you believe that they are morally absolved from blame in such a case, you simply cannot leap to the conclusion that what they are about to steal "belongs to them". That's patently nonsense.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
@dn3s Whether or not you believe that they are morally absolved from blame in such a case, you simply cannot leap to the conclusion that what they are about to steal "belongs to them". That's patently nonsense.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
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Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
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Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
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@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
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Point is that's for them to decide.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
yesterday
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
yesterday
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
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Point is that's for them to decide.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
yesterday
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
yesterday
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
yesterday
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Point is that's for them to decide.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
15 hours ago
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
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@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
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Point is that's for them to decide.
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
yesterday
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
yesterday
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
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Point is that's for them to decide.
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Point is that's for them to decide.
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If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
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If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
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If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
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Stealing is a Crime !
You seem to have lost sight of this absolutely fundamental fact.
Call the police. Drop into a station and ask them what to do. It is their job to handle such things.
Also note : if he steals money, does he also steal drugs ? Does he take in prescriptions which he knows are false ? This could be the tip of the iceberg - criminals actions like theft rarely stop at one thing. This one person could do tremendous damage to you, your business and your reputation and indeed your family.
Any policeman will tell you that when you uncover one small lie, it's often the start of a trail of lies, sometimes leading to the discovery of bigger (and unrelated) crimes. It's your duty to tell the police.
He is still a very trustworthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
Understand that criminals often do project a nice and trusting personality - it's part of the requirement of getting into a trusted position. As your own indecision shows, it also helps keep them from being punished.
Don't fall for that old con.
Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away ?
Police first. Get advice from people who understand crime.
It's what they're there for.
Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money.
No it's not OK.
If this person simply needed more wages, then they should simply have asked for a raise. You don't sound like an unreasonable person, so they presumably have no reason to think you would be unreasonable.
What they are doing is wrong. There are many good people who would do your job and never steal from you under any circumstances. Why should this person get the benefit of your kindness when they have no moral right to it ?
Stealing is a bad habit
Stealing is a crime. That all.
Would you steal ? What would it take to make you steal ?
It is an exploitation of your good nature.
, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
Do not confuse your morality with this persons. My experience is that criminals feel a sense of entitlement and have no real sense of right and wrong. No amount of telling them about right and wrong will give them one.
My view is that this person has cynically manipulated you and your trust. You feel guilty because they want you to feel that way.
I, unfortunately, have dealt with too many crooks who do these things. It's what they do. It's a plan, part of how they get into positions of trust and exploit them for as long as possible with the minimum of consequences.
Do not let this person get away with it.
Mercy is for the court (if it ever reaches court). They can decide, with a more complete knowledge of the individual's circumstances and true history, what sentence if appropriate - a fine, repay victim, perhaps prison. That's what courts are for.
You may not really know the person you think you do. Five years may sound like long enough to know someone, but I've seen ongoing thefts from employers that went back twenty years when people started digging into the facts.
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+1 for this person may not be only stealing money, they could be stealing drugs too or messing with prescriptions or committing fraud, and also for don't talk to this person first--it would give them an opportunity to react dangerously or to flee and evade arrest, making an investigation more difficult and increasing the chance they do this at the next pharmacy they work at.
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Stealing is a Crime !
You seem to have lost sight of this absolutely fundamental fact.
Call the police. Drop into a station and ask them what to do. It is their job to handle such things.
Also note : if he steals money, does he also steal drugs ? Does he take in prescriptions which he knows are false ? This could be the tip of the iceberg - criminals actions like theft rarely stop at one thing. This one person could do tremendous damage to you, your business and your reputation and indeed your family.
Any policeman will tell you that when you uncover one small lie, it's often the start of a trail of lies, sometimes leading to the discovery of bigger (and unrelated) crimes. It's your duty to tell the police.
He is still a very trustworthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
Understand that criminals often do project a nice and trusting personality - it's part of the requirement of getting into a trusted position. As your own indecision shows, it also helps keep them from being punished.
Don't fall for that old con.
Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away ?
Police first. Get advice from people who understand crime.
It's what they're there for.
Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money.
No it's not OK.
If this person simply needed more wages, then they should simply have asked for a raise. You don't sound like an unreasonable person, so they presumably have no reason to think you would be unreasonable.
What they are doing is wrong. There are many good people who would do your job and never steal from you under any circumstances. Why should this person get the benefit of your kindness when they have no moral right to it ?
Stealing is a bad habit
Stealing is a crime. That all.
Would you steal ? What would it take to make you steal ?
It is an exploitation of your good nature.
, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
Do not confuse your morality with this persons. My experience is that criminals feel a sense of entitlement and have no real sense of right and wrong. No amount of telling them about right and wrong will give them one.
My view is that this person has cynically manipulated you and your trust. You feel guilty because they want you to feel that way.
I, unfortunately, have dealt with too many crooks who do these things. It's what they do. It's a plan, part of how they get into positions of trust and exploit them for as long as possible with the minimum of consequences.
Do not let this person get away with it.
Mercy is for the court (if it ever reaches court). They can decide, with a more complete knowledge of the individual's circumstances and true history, what sentence if appropriate - a fine, repay victim, perhaps prison. That's what courts are for.
You may not really know the person you think you do. Five years may sound like long enough to know someone, but I've seen ongoing thefts from employers that went back twenty years when people started digging into the facts.
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+1 for this person may not be only stealing money, they could be stealing drugs too or messing with prescriptions or committing fraud, and also for don't talk to this person first--it would give them an opportunity to react dangerously or to flee and evade arrest, making an investigation more difficult and increasing the chance they do this at the next pharmacy they work at.
– bob
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Stealing is a Crime !
You seem to have lost sight of this absolutely fundamental fact.
Call the police. Drop into a station and ask them what to do. It is their job to handle such things.
Also note : if he steals money, does he also steal drugs ? Does he take in prescriptions which he knows are false ? This could be the tip of the iceberg - criminals actions like theft rarely stop at one thing. This one person could do tremendous damage to you, your business and your reputation and indeed your family.
Any policeman will tell you that when you uncover one small lie, it's often the start of a trail of lies, sometimes leading to the discovery of bigger (and unrelated) crimes. It's your duty to tell the police.
He is still a very trustworthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
Understand that criminals often do project a nice and trusting personality - it's part of the requirement of getting into a trusted position. As your own indecision shows, it also helps keep them from being punished.
Don't fall for that old con.
Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away ?
Police first. Get advice from people who understand crime.
It's what they're there for.
Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money.
No it's not OK.
If this person simply needed more wages, then they should simply have asked for a raise. You don't sound like an unreasonable person, so they presumably have no reason to think you would be unreasonable.
What they are doing is wrong. There are many good people who would do your job and never steal from you under any circumstances. Why should this person get the benefit of your kindness when they have no moral right to it ?
Stealing is a bad habit
Stealing is a crime. That all.
Would you steal ? What would it take to make you steal ?
It is an exploitation of your good nature.
, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
Do not confuse your morality with this persons. My experience is that criminals feel a sense of entitlement and have no real sense of right and wrong. No amount of telling them about right and wrong will give them one.
My view is that this person has cynically manipulated you and your trust. You feel guilty because they want you to feel that way.
I, unfortunately, have dealt with too many crooks who do these things. It's what they do. It's a plan, part of how they get into positions of trust and exploit them for as long as possible with the minimum of consequences.
Do not let this person get away with it.
Mercy is for the court (if it ever reaches court). They can decide, with a more complete knowledge of the individual's circumstances and true history, what sentence if appropriate - a fine, repay victim, perhaps prison. That's what courts are for.
You may not really know the person you think you do. Five years may sound like long enough to know someone, but I've seen ongoing thefts from employers that went back twenty years when people started digging into the facts.
Stealing is a Crime !
You seem to have lost sight of this absolutely fundamental fact.
Call the police. Drop into a station and ask them what to do. It is their job to handle such things.
Also note : if he steals money, does he also steal drugs ? Does he take in prescriptions which he knows are false ? This could be the tip of the iceberg - criminals actions like theft rarely stop at one thing. This one person could do tremendous damage to you, your business and your reputation and indeed your family.
Any policeman will tell you that when you uncover one small lie, it's often the start of a trail of lies, sometimes leading to the discovery of bigger (and unrelated) crimes. It's your duty to tell the police.
He is still a very trustworthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
Understand that criminals often do project a nice and trusting personality - it's part of the requirement of getting into a trusted position. As your own indecision shows, it also helps keep them from being punished.
Don't fall for that old con.
Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away ?
Police first. Get advice from people who understand crime.
It's what they're there for.
Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money.
No it's not OK.
If this person simply needed more wages, then they should simply have asked for a raise. You don't sound like an unreasonable person, so they presumably have no reason to think you would be unreasonable.
What they are doing is wrong. There are many good people who would do your job and never steal from you under any circumstances. Why should this person get the benefit of your kindness when they have no moral right to it ?
Stealing is a bad habit
Stealing is a crime. That all.
Would you steal ? What would it take to make you steal ?
It is an exploitation of your good nature.
, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
Do not confuse your morality with this persons. My experience is that criminals feel a sense of entitlement and have no real sense of right and wrong. No amount of telling them about right and wrong will give them one.
My view is that this person has cynically manipulated you and your trust. You feel guilty because they want you to feel that way.
I, unfortunately, have dealt with too many crooks who do these things. It's what they do. It's a plan, part of how they get into positions of trust and exploit them for as long as possible with the minimum of consequences.
Do not let this person get away with it.
Mercy is for the court (if it ever reaches court). They can decide, with a more complete knowledge of the individual's circumstances and true history, what sentence if appropriate - a fine, repay victim, perhaps prison. That's what courts are for.
You may not really know the person you think you do. Five years may sound like long enough to know someone, but I've seen ongoing thefts from employers that went back twenty years when people started digging into the facts.
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+1 for this person may not be only stealing money, they could be stealing drugs too or messing with prescriptions or committing fraud, and also for don't talk to this person first--it would give them an opportunity to react dangerously or to flee and evade arrest, making an investigation more difficult and increasing the chance they do this at the next pharmacy they work at.
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+1 for this person may not be only stealing money, they could be stealing drugs too or messing with prescriptions or committing fraud, and also for don't talk to this person first--it would give them an opportunity to react dangerously or to flee and evade arrest, making an investigation more difficult and increasing the chance they do this at the next pharmacy they work at.
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+1 for this person may not be only stealing money, they could be stealing drugs too or messing with prescriptions or committing fraud, and also for don't talk to this person first--it would give them an opportunity to react dangerously or to flee and evade arrest, making an investigation more difficult and increasing the chance they do this at the next pharmacy they work at.
– bob
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+1 for this person may not be only stealing money, they could be stealing drugs too or messing with prescriptions or committing fraud, and also for don't talk to this person first--it would give them an opportunity to react dangerously or to flee and evade arrest, making an investigation more difficult and increasing the chance they do this at the next pharmacy they work at.
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
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@RobertFrost in which case inventory will be missing.
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
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@RobertFrost in which case inventory will be missing.
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
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@RobertFrost in which case inventory will be missing.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
– Robert Frost
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@RobertFrost in which case inventory will be missing.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
– Robert Frost
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
– Robert Frost
22 hours ago
@RobertFrost in which case inventory will be missing.
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@RobertFrost in which case inventory will be missing.
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I don't think that is good to steal money from You.
Are you sure that he didn't give you this money back? Have you watched all recordings? Maybe your employee had dissicult situation and needed money in exact date, but he DID return whole amount to cash counter. It will partly justifie his action.
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And how do you suggest the OP should deal with his employee?
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I don't think that is good to steal money from You.
Are you sure that he didn't give you this money back? Have you watched all recordings? Maybe your employee had dissicult situation and needed money in exact date, but he DID return whole amount to cash counter. It will partly justifie his action.
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And how do you suggest the OP should deal with his employee?
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I don't think that is good to steal money from You.
Are you sure that he didn't give you this money back? Have you watched all recordings? Maybe your employee had dissicult situation and needed money in exact date, but he DID return whole amount to cash counter. It will partly justifie his action.
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I don't think that is good to steal money from You.
Are you sure that he didn't give you this money back? Have you watched all recordings? Maybe your employee had dissicult situation and needed money in exact date, but he DID return whole amount to cash counter. It will partly justifie his action.
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And how do you suggest the OP should deal with his employee?
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I appreciate your predicament which reflects your care towards your employee.
Stealing, though a sin as well as a crime, is a reflection of an immoral way of satisfying some lack.
As you mentioned he is from a poor background and since I don't know his age, family and circumstances, might not be able to make assumptions but running a family on less than 15 dollars a month, would be hard. Here in India a pharmacy helper would get at least 50-100 dollars.
As an Argentinan wrote that in Argentina they would be retained, I would suggest the same and also, if you can manage increase around 300 PAK ruppes /3 dollars (if you can afford it financially) letting him know you are aware of his stealing and encouraging him to be honest of his intentions than resorting to immoral means. Forgiveness and love is the message of all our religions and at these situations, we must show kindness to people, in image, of our messengers.
However if you want to punish him, best fire him but reporting him to the police will make his life miserable, as poor people are treated really bad by police of most countries.
And like you said 'stealing is a bad habit ' and something which can be unlearnt, easely.
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this post is rather hard to read (wall of text). Would you mind editing it into a better shape?
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@gnat appreciate the feedback. Did put it in paragraphs hoping it improves
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I appreciate your predicament which reflects your care towards your employee.
Stealing, though a sin as well as a crime, is a reflection of an immoral way of satisfying some lack.
As you mentioned he is from a poor background and since I don't know his age, family and circumstances, might not be able to make assumptions but running a family on less than 15 dollars a month, would be hard. Here in India a pharmacy helper would get at least 50-100 dollars.
As an Argentinan wrote that in Argentina they would be retained, I would suggest the same and also, if you can manage increase around 300 PAK ruppes /3 dollars (if you can afford it financially) letting him know you are aware of his stealing and encouraging him to be honest of his intentions than resorting to immoral means. Forgiveness and love is the message of all our religions and at these situations, we must show kindness to people, in image, of our messengers.
However if you want to punish him, best fire him but reporting him to the police will make his life miserable, as poor people are treated really bad by police of most countries.
And like you said 'stealing is a bad habit ' and something which can be unlearnt, easely.
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this post is rather hard to read (wall of text). Would you mind editing it into a better shape?
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@gnat appreciate the feedback. Did put it in paragraphs hoping it improves
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I appreciate your predicament which reflects your care towards your employee.
Stealing, though a sin as well as a crime, is a reflection of an immoral way of satisfying some lack.
As you mentioned he is from a poor background and since I don't know his age, family and circumstances, might not be able to make assumptions but running a family on less than 15 dollars a month, would be hard. Here in India a pharmacy helper would get at least 50-100 dollars.
As an Argentinan wrote that in Argentina they would be retained, I would suggest the same and also, if you can manage increase around 300 PAK ruppes /3 dollars (if you can afford it financially) letting him know you are aware of his stealing and encouraging him to be honest of his intentions than resorting to immoral means. Forgiveness and love is the message of all our religions and at these situations, we must show kindness to people, in image, of our messengers.
However if you want to punish him, best fire him but reporting him to the police will make his life miserable, as poor people are treated really bad by police of most countries.
And like you said 'stealing is a bad habit ' and something which can be unlearnt, easely.
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I appreciate your predicament which reflects your care towards your employee.
Stealing, though a sin as well as a crime, is a reflection of an immoral way of satisfying some lack.
As you mentioned he is from a poor background and since I don't know his age, family and circumstances, might not be able to make assumptions but running a family on less than 15 dollars a month, would be hard. Here in India a pharmacy helper would get at least 50-100 dollars.
As an Argentinan wrote that in Argentina they would be retained, I would suggest the same and also, if you can manage increase around 300 PAK ruppes /3 dollars (if you can afford it financially) letting him know you are aware of his stealing and encouraging him to be honest of his intentions than resorting to immoral means. Forgiveness and love is the message of all our religions and at these situations, we must show kindness to people, in image, of our messengers.
However if you want to punish him, best fire him but reporting him to the police will make his life miserable, as poor people are treated really bad by police of most countries.
And like you said 'stealing is a bad habit ' and something which can be unlearnt, easely.
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this post is rather hard to read (wall of text). Would you mind editing it into a better shape?
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@gnat appreciate the feedback. Did put it in paragraphs hoping it improves
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this post is rather hard to read (wall of text). Would you mind editing it into a better shape?
– gnat
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@gnat appreciate the feedback. Did put it in paragraphs hoping it improves
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this post is rather hard to read (wall of text). Would you mind editing it into a better shape?
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this post is rather hard to read (wall of text). Would you mind editing it into a better shape?
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@gnat appreciate the feedback. Did put it in paragraphs hoping it improves
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@gnat appreciate the feedback. Did put it in paragraphs hoping it improves
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