Should one cite unethical research that may contradict one's current research?

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Most people are familiar with the controversy over citing Nazi medical experimentation and related unethical findings. I'm not questioning that.



Assuming that citing unethical research in order to bolster or support one's own findings is, in fact, unethical, does the situation change if the prior unethical findings may contradict, falsify, or otherwise be potentially detrimental to one's own findings?



For example, many feel that publishing this is unethical:




In this paper, we demonstrate that splines are reticulatable in six-space under the Transhalpine Coordinate System. Evil Nazi Supervillain (1941) demonstrated that a spline can exist in six-space. Assuming this to be true, our model demonstrates how such as spline can be reticulated with respect to the Transhalpine system, to wit....




Assuming that would be, in fact, unethical, would this be any different:




In this paper, we demonstrate that splines are reticulatable in six-space under the Transhalpine Coordinate System. Goody-Two-Shoes, Angel, Seraphim, Hero, Superhero, and Person-Who-Was-Mostly-Good-Except-That-He-Jaywalked-Once-When-He-Was-Eight-And-Was-Continuously-And-Justly-Punished-Throughout-His-Lifetime-For-Said-Act (1932) demonstrated that a spline can exist in six-space. Evil Nazi Supervillain (1941) obtained a contrary result in which splines cannot exist in six-space, but we only mention this because ethical requirements require that we disclose to you that we are are aware of a prior result that may affect our findings. The result was gained by attempting coordinate transformations on splines that had not granted informed consent for geometric experimentation. In this case the researcher was, like, a super bad guy and you, like, totally should ignore his findings because he was even more evil than Dr. Doom and his paper is probably full of shoddy praxis, negligent notetaking, and even outright fabrications.



Assuming that a spline can actually exist in six-space, our model demonstrates how such as spline can be reticulated with respect to the Transhalpine system, to wit....




Generally speaking, is it more ethical to cite or not cite the potentially problematic prior result?



I suppose the gist of this question is which ethical duty is paramount:



  • The duty to honestly account for the current state of research and disclose potential findings that may affect the current paper.

  • The duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research.

Could this one of the "unusual circumstances" mentioned in this answer?



I suppose that the Don't Cite Unethical Research rule could be clarified as actually meaning that it is unethical to benefit from prior unethical results, so a citation that does not benefit the later researcher (but in fact serves more as a disclaimer) would be allowed. Would that be more along the lines of how this would actually be handled?










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    There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? (In the case of Nazi research, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain -- a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias, and the maths was generally low-quality due to brain drain, but a lot can still be used.)
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    Oct 1 at 17:07






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    I took your "ignore because shoddy, negligent, fabricated" statement to be an exaggeration, an ad hominem rather than taking it literally. Others seem to be taking it to mean that you really believe the prior research cannot be trusted. If you do not intend to insinuate that the research cannot be trusted anyway, then you might want to remove the rest of that sentence after "Doom"
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    Oct 1 at 18:19










  • Related: academia.stackexchange.com/questions/115451/…
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    This question might be improved by giving a more realistic example. I'm guessing you have something like the Dachau hypothermia experiments in mind, and I can understand why you might feel more comfortable presenting an obviously fictionalised example, but in this case I think it just confuses the question.
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  • Your question is fundamentally based on a false premise. As such I think it’s unanswerable. The example you give of an “unethical citation” is in fact a perfectly permissible — and, if relevant, necessary — citation. You seem to misunderstand the reason for not citing some of the research done by the Nazis: it’s not due to their moral flaws, it’s because the research itself is tainted (apart from methodological flaws, it is inadmissible as a reference due to not being reproducible because carrying out the experiments itself is unethical).
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Most people are familiar with the controversy over citing Nazi medical experimentation and related unethical findings. I'm not questioning that.



Assuming that citing unethical research in order to bolster or support one's own findings is, in fact, unethical, does the situation change if the prior unethical findings may contradict, falsify, or otherwise be potentially detrimental to one's own findings?



For example, many feel that publishing this is unethical:




In this paper, we demonstrate that splines are reticulatable in six-space under the Transhalpine Coordinate System. Evil Nazi Supervillain (1941) demonstrated that a spline can exist in six-space. Assuming this to be true, our model demonstrates how such as spline can be reticulated with respect to the Transhalpine system, to wit....




Assuming that would be, in fact, unethical, would this be any different:




In this paper, we demonstrate that splines are reticulatable in six-space under the Transhalpine Coordinate System. Goody-Two-Shoes, Angel, Seraphim, Hero, Superhero, and Person-Who-Was-Mostly-Good-Except-That-He-Jaywalked-Once-When-He-Was-Eight-And-Was-Continuously-And-Justly-Punished-Throughout-His-Lifetime-For-Said-Act (1932) demonstrated that a spline can exist in six-space. Evil Nazi Supervillain (1941) obtained a contrary result in which splines cannot exist in six-space, but we only mention this because ethical requirements require that we disclose to you that we are are aware of a prior result that may affect our findings. The result was gained by attempting coordinate transformations on splines that had not granted informed consent for geometric experimentation. In this case the researcher was, like, a super bad guy and you, like, totally should ignore his findings because he was even more evil than Dr. Doom and his paper is probably full of shoddy praxis, negligent notetaking, and even outright fabrications.



Assuming that a spline can actually exist in six-space, our model demonstrates how such as spline can be reticulated with respect to the Transhalpine system, to wit....




Generally speaking, is it more ethical to cite or not cite the potentially problematic prior result?



I suppose the gist of this question is which ethical duty is paramount:



  • The duty to honestly account for the current state of research and disclose potential findings that may affect the current paper.

  • The duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research.

Could this one of the "unusual circumstances" mentioned in this answer?



I suppose that the Don't Cite Unethical Research rule could be clarified as actually meaning that it is unethical to benefit from prior unethical results, so a citation that does not benefit the later researcher (but in fact serves more as a disclaimer) would be allowed. Would that be more along the lines of how this would actually be handled?










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    There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? (In the case of Nazi research, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain -- a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias, and the maths was generally low-quality due to brain drain, but a lot can still be used.)
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    Oct 1 at 17:07






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    I took your "ignore because shoddy, negligent, fabricated" statement to be an exaggeration, an ad hominem rather than taking it literally. Others seem to be taking it to mean that you really believe the prior research cannot be trusted. If you do not intend to insinuate that the research cannot be trusted anyway, then you might want to remove the rest of that sentence after "Doom"
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  • Related: academia.stackexchange.com/questions/115451/…
    – Nate Eldredge
    Oct 1 at 20:17






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    This question might be improved by giving a more realistic example. I'm guessing you have something like the Dachau hypothermia experiments in mind, and I can understand why you might feel more comfortable presenting an obviously fictionalised example, but in this case I think it just confuses the question.
    – Geoffrey Brent
    Oct 1 at 23:02










  • Your question is fundamentally based on a false premise. As such I think it’s unanswerable. The example you give of an “unethical citation” is in fact a perfectly permissible — and, if relevant, necessary — citation. You seem to misunderstand the reason for not citing some of the research done by the Nazis: it’s not due to their moral flaws, it’s because the research itself is tainted (apart from methodological flaws, it is inadmissible as a reference due to not being reproducible because carrying out the experiments itself is unethical).
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Most people are familiar with the controversy over citing Nazi medical experimentation and related unethical findings. I'm not questioning that.



Assuming that citing unethical research in order to bolster or support one's own findings is, in fact, unethical, does the situation change if the prior unethical findings may contradict, falsify, or otherwise be potentially detrimental to one's own findings?



For example, many feel that publishing this is unethical:




In this paper, we demonstrate that splines are reticulatable in six-space under the Transhalpine Coordinate System. Evil Nazi Supervillain (1941) demonstrated that a spline can exist in six-space. Assuming this to be true, our model demonstrates how such as spline can be reticulated with respect to the Transhalpine system, to wit....




Assuming that would be, in fact, unethical, would this be any different:




In this paper, we demonstrate that splines are reticulatable in six-space under the Transhalpine Coordinate System. Goody-Two-Shoes, Angel, Seraphim, Hero, Superhero, and Person-Who-Was-Mostly-Good-Except-That-He-Jaywalked-Once-When-He-Was-Eight-And-Was-Continuously-And-Justly-Punished-Throughout-His-Lifetime-For-Said-Act (1932) demonstrated that a spline can exist in six-space. Evil Nazi Supervillain (1941) obtained a contrary result in which splines cannot exist in six-space, but we only mention this because ethical requirements require that we disclose to you that we are are aware of a prior result that may affect our findings. The result was gained by attempting coordinate transformations on splines that had not granted informed consent for geometric experimentation. In this case the researcher was, like, a super bad guy and you, like, totally should ignore his findings because he was even more evil than Dr. Doom and his paper is probably full of shoddy praxis, negligent notetaking, and even outright fabrications.



Assuming that a spline can actually exist in six-space, our model demonstrates how such as spline can be reticulated with respect to the Transhalpine system, to wit....




Generally speaking, is it more ethical to cite or not cite the potentially problematic prior result?



I suppose the gist of this question is which ethical duty is paramount:



  • The duty to honestly account for the current state of research and disclose potential findings that may affect the current paper.

  • The duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research.

Could this one of the "unusual circumstances" mentioned in this answer?



I suppose that the Don't Cite Unethical Research rule could be clarified as actually meaning that it is unethical to benefit from prior unethical results, so a citation that does not benefit the later researcher (but in fact serves more as a disclaimer) would be allowed. Would that be more along the lines of how this would actually be handled?










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Most people are familiar with the controversy over citing Nazi medical experimentation and related unethical findings. I'm not questioning that.



Assuming that citing unethical research in order to bolster or support one's own findings is, in fact, unethical, does the situation change if the prior unethical findings may contradict, falsify, or otherwise be potentially detrimental to one's own findings?



For example, many feel that publishing this is unethical:




In this paper, we demonstrate that splines are reticulatable in six-space under the Transhalpine Coordinate System. Evil Nazi Supervillain (1941) demonstrated that a spline can exist in six-space. Assuming this to be true, our model demonstrates how such as spline can be reticulated with respect to the Transhalpine system, to wit....




Assuming that would be, in fact, unethical, would this be any different:




In this paper, we demonstrate that splines are reticulatable in six-space under the Transhalpine Coordinate System. Goody-Two-Shoes, Angel, Seraphim, Hero, Superhero, and Person-Who-Was-Mostly-Good-Except-That-He-Jaywalked-Once-When-He-Was-Eight-And-Was-Continuously-And-Justly-Punished-Throughout-His-Lifetime-For-Said-Act (1932) demonstrated that a spline can exist in six-space. Evil Nazi Supervillain (1941) obtained a contrary result in which splines cannot exist in six-space, but we only mention this because ethical requirements require that we disclose to you that we are are aware of a prior result that may affect our findings. The result was gained by attempting coordinate transformations on splines that had not granted informed consent for geometric experimentation. In this case the researcher was, like, a super bad guy and you, like, totally should ignore his findings because he was even more evil than Dr. Doom and his paper is probably full of shoddy praxis, negligent notetaking, and even outright fabrications.



Assuming that a spline can actually exist in six-space, our model demonstrates how such as spline can be reticulated with respect to the Transhalpine system, to wit....




Generally speaking, is it more ethical to cite or not cite the potentially problematic prior result?



I suppose the gist of this question is which ethical duty is paramount:



  • The duty to honestly account for the current state of research and disclose potential findings that may affect the current paper.

  • The duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research.

Could this one of the "unusual circumstances" mentioned in this answer?



I suppose that the Don't Cite Unethical Research rule could be clarified as actually meaning that it is unethical to benefit from prior unethical results, so a citation that does not benefit the later researcher (but in fact serves more as a disclaimer) would be allowed. Would that be more along the lines of how this would actually be handled?







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    There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? (In the case of Nazi research, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain -- a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias, and the maths was generally low-quality due to brain drain, but a lot can still be used.)
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    I took your "ignore because shoddy, negligent, fabricated" statement to be an exaggeration, an ad hominem rather than taking it literally. Others seem to be taking it to mean that you really believe the prior research cannot be trusted. If you do not intend to insinuate that the research cannot be trusted anyway, then you might want to remove the rest of that sentence after "Doom"
    – Aaron
    Oct 1 at 18:19










  • Related: academia.stackexchange.com/questions/115451/…
    – Nate Eldredge
    Oct 1 at 20:17






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    This question might be improved by giving a more realistic example. I'm guessing you have something like the Dachau hypothermia experiments in mind, and I can understand why you might feel more comfortable presenting an obviously fictionalised example, but in this case I think it just confuses the question.
    – Geoffrey Brent
    Oct 1 at 23:02










  • Your question is fundamentally based on a false premise. As such I think it’s unanswerable. The example you give of an “unethical citation” is in fact a perfectly permissible — and, if relevant, necessary — citation. You seem to misunderstand the reason for not citing some of the research done by the Nazis: it’s not due to their moral flaws, it’s because the research itself is tainted (apart from methodological flaws, it is inadmissible as a reference due to not being reproducible because carrying out the experiments itself is unethical).
    – Konrad Rudolph
    Oct 2 at 10:43













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    There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? (In the case of Nazi research, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain -- a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias, and the maths was generally low-quality due to brain drain, but a lot can still be used.)
    – darij grinberg
    Oct 1 at 17:07






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    I took your "ignore because shoddy, negligent, fabricated" statement to be an exaggeration, an ad hominem rather than taking it literally. Others seem to be taking it to mean that you really believe the prior research cannot be trusted. If you do not intend to insinuate that the research cannot be trusted anyway, then you might want to remove the rest of that sentence after "Doom"
    – Aaron
    Oct 1 at 18:19










  • Related: academia.stackexchange.com/questions/115451/…
    – Nate Eldredge
    Oct 1 at 20:17






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    This question might be improved by giving a more realistic example. I'm guessing you have something like the Dachau hypothermia experiments in mind, and I can understand why you might feel more comfortable presenting an obviously fictionalised example, but in this case I think it just confuses the question.
    – Geoffrey Brent
    Oct 1 at 23:02










  • Your question is fundamentally based on a false premise. As such I think it’s unanswerable. The example you give of an “unethical citation” is in fact a perfectly permissible — and, if relevant, necessary — citation. You seem to misunderstand the reason for not citing some of the research done by the Nazis: it’s not due to their moral flaws, it’s because the research itself is tainted (apart from methodological flaws, it is inadmissible as a reference due to not being reproducible because carrying out the experiments itself is unethical).
    – Konrad Rudolph
    Oct 2 at 10:43








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There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? (In the case of Nazi research, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain -- a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias, and the maths was generally low-quality due to brain drain, but a lot can still be used.)
– darij grinberg
Oct 1 at 17:07




There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? (In the case of Nazi research, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain -- a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias, and the maths was generally low-quality due to brain drain, but a lot can still be used.)
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Oct 1 at 17:07




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I took your "ignore because shoddy, negligent, fabricated" statement to be an exaggeration, an ad hominem rather than taking it literally. Others seem to be taking it to mean that you really believe the prior research cannot be trusted. If you do not intend to insinuate that the research cannot be trusted anyway, then you might want to remove the rest of that sentence after "Doom"
– Aaron
Oct 1 at 18:19




I took your "ignore because shoddy, negligent, fabricated" statement to be an exaggeration, an ad hominem rather than taking it literally. Others seem to be taking it to mean that you really believe the prior research cannot be trusted. If you do not intend to insinuate that the research cannot be trusted anyway, then you might want to remove the rest of that sentence after "Doom"
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Related: academia.stackexchange.com/questions/115451/…
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Oct 1 at 20:17




Related: academia.stackexchange.com/questions/115451/…
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This question might be improved by giving a more realistic example. I'm guessing you have something like the Dachau hypothermia experiments in mind, and I can understand why you might feel more comfortable presenting an obviously fictionalised example, but in this case I think it just confuses the question.
– Geoffrey Brent
Oct 1 at 23:02




This question might be improved by giving a more realistic example. I'm guessing you have something like the Dachau hypothermia experiments in mind, and I can understand why you might feel more comfortable presenting an obviously fictionalised example, but in this case I think it just confuses the question.
– Geoffrey Brent
Oct 1 at 23:02












Your question is fundamentally based on a false premise. As such I think it’s unanswerable. The example you give of an “unethical citation” is in fact a perfectly permissible — and, if relevant, necessary — citation. You seem to misunderstand the reason for not citing some of the research done by the Nazis: it’s not due to their moral flaws, it’s because the research itself is tainted (apart from methodological flaws, it is inadmissible as a reference due to not being reproducible because carrying out the experiments itself is unethical).
– Konrad Rudolph
Oct 2 at 10:43





Your question is fundamentally based on a false premise. As such I think it’s unanswerable. The example you give of an “unethical citation” is in fact a perfectly permissible — and, if relevant, necessary — citation. You seem to misunderstand the reason for not citing some of the research done by the Nazis: it’s not due to their moral flaws, it’s because the research itself is tainted (apart from methodological flaws, it is inadmissible as a reference due to not being reproducible because carrying out the experiments itself is unethical).
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Are you conflating evil people with scientific results that they achieve (by valid means)? They should not be conflated. Condemn the people and the evil acts that they do, but not any valid results obtained by honorable means. Evil monsters don't need to always act in an evil manner.



There is, for example, a lot of both computer engineering and mathematics that was done by total racists. This was in the US and in fairly recent years. This doesn't make it invalid to use computers, nor does it invalidate the mathematics itself.



It isn't even necessary to state that X was an evil monster otherwise when citing X. However, if you are writing about racism or other evils, then it is perfectly appropriate to point out the flaws.



Of course, the spline research would be discredited if to do it evil acts needed to be carried out, but you don't seem to be saying that here.



What is true is true, even if uttered by monsters. What is false is false, even if uttered by angels.




Since the question was changed, I'll add this. If "research" has been discredited for any reason then there is no need to cite it other than as something not to be done. There is no need to cite failures to prove a theorem when you provide a proof, and there is no need to cite research that was done unethically. The results themselves are in question.



There are a lot of ways to fail at research. Lack of ethical behavior is only one. Don't cite the failures, except as failures.



In the case at hand, the research resulting from unethical behavior doesn't "contradict" the current work. It wasn't valid in the first place.






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    Don’t think Mengler’s results were honorable on any level...
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    I clarified the question, sorry. In my introductory paragraph, I was trying to say that I am asking about research in which evil, or at least seriously unethical, actions were taken to obtain the result rather than just results obtained by people with low morals. I have clarified my question. Thanks.
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    @RobertColumbia, and you made it entirely hypothetical. Why do you think that unethical acts need to be refuted at all? Why is there any need to cite discredited research whether it was carried out ethically or unethically? If it is discredited, ignore it.
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  • I'm confused about "discredited research" in your comment. Do you mean research obtained by means evil actions (as in the comment fromRobert Columbia that you're answering), or do you mean research whose results are (known to be) false. To put it another way: Would you still say "What's true is true, even if uttered by monsters" if the monsters had arrived at the truth only by monstrous methods?
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  • @AndreasBlass, Both kinds of discredited, actually. And yes, truth is independent of who says it or how it was arrived at. But don't take that as an endorsement. I find it hard to think of a situation in which monstrous methods lead to truth, in fact. In the US, we learned how to build rockets and get to the moon based on the studies of Nazis who were "accepted" into the US after WWII. But I don't know if their rocketry was carried out in an evil way. (continued)
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I think it's going to be difficult to answer a complicated question like this with anything besides "it depends..." unless there is a less trivial example given.



I also find the trivial example a bit bothersome, because although I understand what you are trying to get at with your arbitrary splines example, the actual real-life work you are weighing it against includes destructive medical experimentation on individuals who died or were permanently harmed for the remainder of their lives, and I don't think making a joke of it about "unethical acts committed against splines" is helpful to the discussion.



The answer you refer to basically says already in citing Baruch Cohen that the answer of when to cite questionable research depends on the circumstances, and I don't think there is anything to add to that:




In essence, Cohen argues that in certain extreme cases it may be possible to use the data, but only when accompanied by strong condemnation of the methods and only when it concerns information that is both otherwise impossible to obtain and of life-saving importance.




In summary, if not citing unethically produced research is likely to cause harm then consideration should be given to citing such research. In a trivial or arbitrary example, like the one you give, it is impossible to evaluate the level of harm so it is impossible to weigh this against the concerns with citing unethically produced research.



Note that in some cases it may be possible to refer to unethical research without citing it directly, for example by citing research that specifically critiques that prior work.



I would also refer to another Academia.SE question that addresses the less extreme example of citing retracted works: Is it right to cite a retracted research article?






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    (This is a comment expanded into an answer.)



    There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? "Against Them Who Shall Not Be Named"?



    (It is true that some career-relevant metrics reward researchers for getting cited often. It is also true that notoriety doubles as a form of fame in this world. None of these are the fault of researchers, and there is no moral duty to adapt to these effects through self-censorship.)



    The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? In the case of Nazi research, for example, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain: In medicine, a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias and outright fabrication (see, e.g., this appraisal of the Dachau hypothermia experiments), while other work has been generally accepted despite ethical taint. In either case, the original researcher's ethical standing and even whatever Faustian bargains were involved in the research are not the deciding criterion. In mathematics, the consensus appears to be that, while the general quality of NS-German maths research is low except for a few lone talents, it was better than nothing. You take what you are given.






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      Are you conflating evil people with scientific results that they achieve (by valid means)? They should not be conflated. Condemn the people and the evil acts that they do, but not any valid results obtained by honorable means. Evil monsters don't need to always act in an evil manner.



      There is, for example, a lot of both computer engineering and mathematics that was done by total racists. This was in the US and in fairly recent years. This doesn't make it invalid to use computers, nor does it invalidate the mathematics itself.



      It isn't even necessary to state that X was an evil monster otherwise when citing X. However, if you are writing about racism or other evils, then it is perfectly appropriate to point out the flaws.



      Of course, the spline research would be discredited if to do it evil acts needed to be carried out, but you don't seem to be saying that here.



      What is true is true, even if uttered by monsters. What is false is false, even if uttered by angels.




      Since the question was changed, I'll add this. If "research" has been discredited for any reason then there is no need to cite it other than as something not to be done. There is no need to cite failures to prove a theorem when you provide a proof, and there is no need to cite research that was done unethically. The results themselves are in question.



      There are a lot of ways to fail at research. Lack of ethical behavior is only one. Don't cite the failures, except as failures.



      In the case at hand, the research resulting from unethical behavior doesn't "contradict" the current work. It wasn't valid in the first place.






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        Don’t think Mengler’s results were honorable on any level...
        – Solar Mike
        Oct 1 at 17:21






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        I clarified the question, sorry. In my introductory paragraph, I was trying to say that I am asking about research in which evil, or at least seriously unethical, actions were taken to obtain the result rather than just results obtained by people with low morals. I have clarified my question. Thanks.
        – Robert Columbia
        Oct 1 at 17:29






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        @RobertColumbia, and you made it entirely hypothetical. Why do you think that unethical acts need to be refuted at all? Why is there any need to cite discredited research whether it was carried out ethically or unethically? If it is discredited, ignore it.
        – Buffy
        Oct 1 at 17:33










      • I'm confused about "discredited research" in your comment. Do you mean research obtained by means evil actions (as in the comment fromRobert Columbia that you're answering), or do you mean research whose results are (known to be) false. To put it another way: Would you still say "What's true is true, even if uttered by monsters" if the monsters had arrived at the truth only by monstrous methods?
        – Andreas Blass
        Oct 2 at 1:35










      • @AndreasBlass, Both kinds of discredited, actually. And yes, truth is independent of who says it or how it was arrived at. But don't take that as an endorsement. I find it hard to think of a situation in which monstrous methods lead to truth, in fact. In the US, we learned how to build rockets and get to the moon based on the studies of Nazis who were "accepted" into the US after WWII. But I don't know if their rocketry was carried out in an evil way. (continued)
        – Buffy
        Oct 2 at 10:30














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      Are you conflating evil people with scientific results that they achieve (by valid means)? They should not be conflated. Condemn the people and the evil acts that they do, but not any valid results obtained by honorable means. Evil monsters don't need to always act in an evil manner.



      There is, for example, a lot of both computer engineering and mathematics that was done by total racists. This was in the US and in fairly recent years. This doesn't make it invalid to use computers, nor does it invalidate the mathematics itself.



      It isn't even necessary to state that X was an evil monster otherwise when citing X. However, if you are writing about racism or other evils, then it is perfectly appropriate to point out the flaws.



      Of course, the spline research would be discredited if to do it evil acts needed to be carried out, but you don't seem to be saying that here.



      What is true is true, even if uttered by monsters. What is false is false, even if uttered by angels.




      Since the question was changed, I'll add this. If "research" has been discredited for any reason then there is no need to cite it other than as something not to be done. There is no need to cite failures to prove a theorem when you provide a proof, and there is no need to cite research that was done unethically. The results themselves are in question.



      There are a lot of ways to fail at research. Lack of ethical behavior is only one. Don't cite the failures, except as failures.



      In the case at hand, the research resulting from unethical behavior doesn't "contradict" the current work. It wasn't valid in the first place.






      share|improve this answer


















      • 2




        Don’t think Mengler’s results were honorable on any level...
        – Solar Mike
        Oct 1 at 17:21






      • 1




        I clarified the question, sorry. In my introductory paragraph, I was trying to say that I am asking about research in which evil, or at least seriously unethical, actions were taken to obtain the result rather than just results obtained by people with low morals. I have clarified my question. Thanks.
        – Robert Columbia
        Oct 1 at 17:29






      • 1




        @RobertColumbia, and you made it entirely hypothetical. Why do you think that unethical acts need to be refuted at all? Why is there any need to cite discredited research whether it was carried out ethically or unethically? If it is discredited, ignore it.
        – Buffy
        Oct 1 at 17:33










      • I'm confused about "discredited research" in your comment. Do you mean research obtained by means evil actions (as in the comment fromRobert Columbia that you're answering), or do you mean research whose results are (known to be) false. To put it another way: Would you still say "What's true is true, even if uttered by monsters" if the monsters had arrived at the truth only by monstrous methods?
        – Andreas Blass
        Oct 2 at 1:35










      • @AndreasBlass, Both kinds of discredited, actually. And yes, truth is independent of who says it or how it was arrived at. But don't take that as an endorsement. I find it hard to think of a situation in which monstrous methods lead to truth, in fact. In the US, we learned how to build rockets and get to the moon based on the studies of Nazis who were "accepted" into the US after WWII. But I don't know if their rocketry was carried out in an evil way. (continued)
        – Buffy
        Oct 2 at 10:30












      up vote
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      up vote
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      Are you conflating evil people with scientific results that they achieve (by valid means)? They should not be conflated. Condemn the people and the evil acts that they do, but not any valid results obtained by honorable means. Evil monsters don't need to always act in an evil manner.



      There is, for example, a lot of both computer engineering and mathematics that was done by total racists. This was in the US and in fairly recent years. This doesn't make it invalid to use computers, nor does it invalidate the mathematics itself.



      It isn't even necessary to state that X was an evil monster otherwise when citing X. However, if you are writing about racism or other evils, then it is perfectly appropriate to point out the flaws.



      Of course, the spline research would be discredited if to do it evil acts needed to be carried out, but you don't seem to be saying that here.



      What is true is true, even if uttered by monsters. What is false is false, even if uttered by angels.




      Since the question was changed, I'll add this. If "research" has been discredited for any reason then there is no need to cite it other than as something not to be done. There is no need to cite failures to prove a theorem when you provide a proof, and there is no need to cite research that was done unethically. The results themselves are in question.



      There are a lot of ways to fail at research. Lack of ethical behavior is only one. Don't cite the failures, except as failures.



      In the case at hand, the research resulting from unethical behavior doesn't "contradict" the current work. It wasn't valid in the first place.






      share|improve this answer














      Are you conflating evil people with scientific results that they achieve (by valid means)? They should not be conflated. Condemn the people and the evil acts that they do, but not any valid results obtained by honorable means. Evil monsters don't need to always act in an evil manner.



      There is, for example, a lot of both computer engineering and mathematics that was done by total racists. This was in the US and in fairly recent years. This doesn't make it invalid to use computers, nor does it invalidate the mathematics itself.



      It isn't even necessary to state that X was an evil monster otherwise when citing X. However, if you are writing about racism or other evils, then it is perfectly appropriate to point out the flaws.



      Of course, the spline research would be discredited if to do it evil acts needed to be carried out, but you don't seem to be saying that here.



      What is true is true, even if uttered by monsters. What is false is false, even if uttered by angels.




      Since the question was changed, I'll add this. If "research" has been discredited for any reason then there is no need to cite it other than as something not to be done. There is no need to cite failures to prove a theorem when you provide a proof, and there is no need to cite research that was done unethically. The results themselves are in question.



      There are a lot of ways to fail at research. Lack of ethical behavior is only one. Don't cite the failures, except as failures.



      In the case at hand, the research resulting from unethical behavior doesn't "contradict" the current work. It wasn't valid in the first place.







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      Buffy

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        Don’t think Mengler’s results were honorable on any level...
        – Solar Mike
        Oct 1 at 17:21






      • 1




        I clarified the question, sorry. In my introductory paragraph, I was trying to say that I am asking about research in which evil, or at least seriously unethical, actions were taken to obtain the result rather than just results obtained by people with low morals. I have clarified my question. Thanks.
        – Robert Columbia
        Oct 1 at 17:29






      • 1




        @RobertColumbia, and you made it entirely hypothetical. Why do you think that unethical acts need to be refuted at all? Why is there any need to cite discredited research whether it was carried out ethically or unethically? If it is discredited, ignore it.
        – Buffy
        Oct 1 at 17:33










      • I'm confused about "discredited research" in your comment. Do you mean research obtained by means evil actions (as in the comment fromRobert Columbia that you're answering), or do you mean research whose results are (known to be) false. To put it another way: Would you still say "What's true is true, even if uttered by monsters" if the monsters had arrived at the truth only by monstrous methods?
        – Andreas Blass
        Oct 2 at 1:35










      • @AndreasBlass, Both kinds of discredited, actually. And yes, truth is independent of who says it or how it was arrived at. But don't take that as an endorsement. I find it hard to think of a situation in which monstrous methods lead to truth, in fact. In the US, we learned how to build rockets and get to the moon based on the studies of Nazis who were "accepted" into the US after WWII. But I don't know if their rocketry was carried out in an evil way. (continued)
        – Buffy
        Oct 2 at 10:30












      • 2




        Don’t think Mengler’s results were honorable on any level...
        – Solar Mike
        Oct 1 at 17:21






      • 1




        I clarified the question, sorry. In my introductory paragraph, I was trying to say that I am asking about research in which evil, or at least seriously unethical, actions were taken to obtain the result rather than just results obtained by people with low morals. I have clarified my question. Thanks.
        – Robert Columbia
        Oct 1 at 17:29






      • 1




        @RobertColumbia, and you made it entirely hypothetical. Why do you think that unethical acts need to be refuted at all? Why is there any need to cite discredited research whether it was carried out ethically or unethically? If it is discredited, ignore it.
        – Buffy
        Oct 1 at 17:33










      • I'm confused about "discredited research" in your comment. Do you mean research obtained by means evil actions (as in the comment fromRobert Columbia that you're answering), or do you mean research whose results are (known to be) false. To put it another way: Would you still say "What's true is true, even if uttered by monsters" if the monsters had arrived at the truth only by monstrous methods?
        – Andreas Blass
        Oct 2 at 1:35










      • @AndreasBlass, Both kinds of discredited, actually. And yes, truth is independent of who says it or how it was arrived at. But don't take that as an endorsement. I find it hard to think of a situation in which monstrous methods lead to truth, in fact. In the US, we learned how to build rockets and get to the moon based on the studies of Nazis who were "accepted" into the US after WWII. But I don't know if their rocketry was carried out in an evil way. (continued)
        – Buffy
        Oct 2 at 10:30







      2




      2




      Don’t think Mengler’s results were honorable on any level...
      – Solar Mike
      Oct 1 at 17:21




      Don’t think Mengler’s results were honorable on any level...
      – Solar Mike
      Oct 1 at 17:21




      1




      1




      I clarified the question, sorry. In my introductory paragraph, I was trying to say that I am asking about research in which evil, or at least seriously unethical, actions were taken to obtain the result rather than just results obtained by people with low morals. I have clarified my question. Thanks.
      – Robert Columbia
      Oct 1 at 17:29




      I clarified the question, sorry. In my introductory paragraph, I was trying to say that I am asking about research in which evil, or at least seriously unethical, actions were taken to obtain the result rather than just results obtained by people with low morals. I have clarified my question. Thanks.
      – Robert Columbia
      Oct 1 at 17:29




      1




      1




      @RobertColumbia, and you made it entirely hypothetical. Why do you think that unethical acts need to be refuted at all? Why is there any need to cite discredited research whether it was carried out ethically or unethically? If it is discredited, ignore it.
      – Buffy
      Oct 1 at 17:33




      @RobertColumbia, and you made it entirely hypothetical. Why do you think that unethical acts need to be refuted at all? Why is there any need to cite discredited research whether it was carried out ethically or unethically? If it is discredited, ignore it.
      – Buffy
      Oct 1 at 17:33












      I'm confused about "discredited research" in your comment. Do you mean research obtained by means evil actions (as in the comment fromRobert Columbia that you're answering), or do you mean research whose results are (known to be) false. To put it another way: Would you still say "What's true is true, even if uttered by monsters" if the monsters had arrived at the truth only by monstrous methods?
      – Andreas Blass
      Oct 2 at 1:35




      I'm confused about "discredited research" in your comment. Do you mean research obtained by means evil actions (as in the comment fromRobert Columbia that you're answering), or do you mean research whose results are (known to be) false. To put it another way: Would you still say "What's true is true, even if uttered by monsters" if the monsters had arrived at the truth only by monstrous methods?
      – Andreas Blass
      Oct 2 at 1:35












      @AndreasBlass, Both kinds of discredited, actually. And yes, truth is independent of who says it or how it was arrived at. But don't take that as an endorsement. I find it hard to think of a situation in which monstrous methods lead to truth, in fact. In the US, we learned how to build rockets and get to the moon based on the studies of Nazis who were "accepted" into the US after WWII. But I don't know if their rocketry was carried out in an evil way. (continued)
      – Buffy
      Oct 2 at 10:30




      @AndreasBlass, Both kinds of discredited, actually. And yes, truth is independent of who says it or how it was arrived at. But don't take that as an endorsement. I find it hard to think of a situation in which monstrous methods lead to truth, in fact. In the US, we learned how to build rockets and get to the moon based on the studies of Nazis who were "accepted" into the US after WWII. But I don't know if their rocketry was carried out in an evil way. (continued)
      – Buffy
      Oct 2 at 10:30










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      I think it's going to be difficult to answer a complicated question like this with anything besides "it depends..." unless there is a less trivial example given.



      I also find the trivial example a bit bothersome, because although I understand what you are trying to get at with your arbitrary splines example, the actual real-life work you are weighing it against includes destructive medical experimentation on individuals who died or were permanently harmed for the remainder of their lives, and I don't think making a joke of it about "unethical acts committed against splines" is helpful to the discussion.



      The answer you refer to basically says already in citing Baruch Cohen that the answer of when to cite questionable research depends on the circumstances, and I don't think there is anything to add to that:




      In essence, Cohen argues that in certain extreme cases it may be possible to use the data, but only when accompanied by strong condemnation of the methods and only when it concerns information that is both otherwise impossible to obtain and of life-saving importance.




      In summary, if not citing unethically produced research is likely to cause harm then consideration should be given to citing such research. In a trivial or arbitrary example, like the one you give, it is impossible to evaluate the level of harm so it is impossible to weigh this against the concerns with citing unethically produced research.



      Note that in some cases it may be possible to refer to unethical research without citing it directly, for example by citing research that specifically critiques that prior work.



      I would also refer to another Academia.SE question that addresses the less extreme example of citing retracted works: Is it right to cite a retracted research article?






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        I think it's going to be difficult to answer a complicated question like this with anything besides "it depends..." unless there is a less trivial example given.



        I also find the trivial example a bit bothersome, because although I understand what you are trying to get at with your arbitrary splines example, the actual real-life work you are weighing it against includes destructive medical experimentation on individuals who died or were permanently harmed for the remainder of their lives, and I don't think making a joke of it about "unethical acts committed against splines" is helpful to the discussion.



        The answer you refer to basically says already in citing Baruch Cohen that the answer of when to cite questionable research depends on the circumstances, and I don't think there is anything to add to that:




        In essence, Cohen argues that in certain extreme cases it may be possible to use the data, but only when accompanied by strong condemnation of the methods and only when it concerns information that is both otherwise impossible to obtain and of life-saving importance.




        In summary, if not citing unethically produced research is likely to cause harm then consideration should be given to citing such research. In a trivial or arbitrary example, like the one you give, it is impossible to evaluate the level of harm so it is impossible to weigh this against the concerns with citing unethically produced research.



        Note that in some cases it may be possible to refer to unethical research without citing it directly, for example by citing research that specifically critiques that prior work.



        I would also refer to another Academia.SE question that addresses the less extreme example of citing retracted works: Is it right to cite a retracted research article?






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          up vote
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          I think it's going to be difficult to answer a complicated question like this with anything besides "it depends..." unless there is a less trivial example given.



          I also find the trivial example a bit bothersome, because although I understand what you are trying to get at with your arbitrary splines example, the actual real-life work you are weighing it against includes destructive medical experimentation on individuals who died or were permanently harmed for the remainder of their lives, and I don't think making a joke of it about "unethical acts committed against splines" is helpful to the discussion.



          The answer you refer to basically says already in citing Baruch Cohen that the answer of when to cite questionable research depends on the circumstances, and I don't think there is anything to add to that:




          In essence, Cohen argues that in certain extreme cases it may be possible to use the data, but only when accompanied by strong condemnation of the methods and only when it concerns information that is both otherwise impossible to obtain and of life-saving importance.




          In summary, if not citing unethically produced research is likely to cause harm then consideration should be given to citing such research. In a trivial or arbitrary example, like the one you give, it is impossible to evaluate the level of harm so it is impossible to weigh this against the concerns with citing unethically produced research.



          Note that in some cases it may be possible to refer to unethical research without citing it directly, for example by citing research that specifically critiques that prior work.



          I would also refer to another Academia.SE question that addresses the less extreme example of citing retracted works: Is it right to cite a retracted research article?






          share|improve this answer














          I think it's going to be difficult to answer a complicated question like this with anything besides "it depends..." unless there is a less trivial example given.



          I also find the trivial example a bit bothersome, because although I understand what you are trying to get at with your arbitrary splines example, the actual real-life work you are weighing it against includes destructive medical experimentation on individuals who died or were permanently harmed for the remainder of their lives, and I don't think making a joke of it about "unethical acts committed against splines" is helpful to the discussion.



          The answer you refer to basically says already in citing Baruch Cohen that the answer of when to cite questionable research depends on the circumstances, and I don't think there is anything to add to that:




          In essence, Cohen argues that in certain extreme cases it may be possible to use the data, but only when accompanied by strong condemnation of the methods and only when it concerns information that is both otherwise impossible to obtain and of life-saving importance.




          In summary, if not citing unethically produced research is likely to cause harm then consideration should be given to citing such research. In a trivial or arbitrary example, like the one you give, it is impossible to evaluate the level of harm so it is impossible to weigh this against the concerns with citing unethically produced research.



          Note that in some cases it may be possible to refer to unethical research without citing it directly, for example by citing research that specifically critiques that prior work.



          I would also refer to another Academia.SE question that addresses the less extreme example of citing retracted works: Is it right to cite a retracted research article?







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              There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? "Against Them Who Shall Not Be Named"?



              (It is true that some career-relevant metrics reward researchers for getting cited often. It is also true that notoriety doubles as a form of fame in this world. None of these are the fault of researchers, and there is no moral duty to adapt to these effects through self-censorship.)



              The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? In the case of Nazi research, for example, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain: In medicine, a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias and outright fabrication (see, e.g., this appraisal of the Dachau hypothermia experiments), while other work has been generally accepted despite ethical taint. In either case, the original researcher's ethical standing and even whatever Faustian bargains were involved in the research are not the deciding criterion. In mathematics, the consensus appears to be that, while the general quality of NS-German maths research is low except for a few lone talents, it was better than nothing. You take what you are given.






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                (This is a comment expanded into an answer.)



                There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? "Against Them Who Shall Not Be Named"?



                (It is true that some career-relevant metrics reward researchers for getting cited often. It is also true that notoriety doubles as a form of fame in this world. None of these are the fault of researchers, and there is no moral duty to adapt to these effects through self-censorship.)



                The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? In the case of Nazi research, for example, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain: In medicine, a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias and outright fabrication (see, e.g., this appraisal of the Dachau hypothermia experiments), while other work has been generally accepted despite ethical taint. In either case, the original researcher's ethical standing and even whatever Faustian bargains were involved in the research are not the deciding criterion. In mathematics, the consensus appears to be that, while the general quality of NS-German maths research is low except for a few lone talents, it was better than nothing. You take what you are given.






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                  (This is a comment expanded into an answer.)



                  There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? "Against Them Who Shall Not Be Named"?



                  (It is true that some career-relevant metrics reward researchers for getting cited often. It is also true that notoriety doubles as a form of fame in this world. None of these are the fault of researchers, and there is no moral duty to adapt to these effects through self-censorship.)



                  The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? In the case of Nazi research, for example, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain: In medicine, a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias and outright fabrication (see, e.g., this appraisal of the Dachau hypothermia experiments), while other work has been generally accepted despite ethical taint. In either case, the original researcher's ethical standing and even whatever Faustian bargains were involved in the research are not the deciding criterion. In mathematics, the consensus appears to be that, while the general quality of NS-German maths research is low except for a few lone talents, it was better than nothing. You take what you are given.






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                  (This is a comment expanded into an answer.)



                  There is no "duty to not acknowledge or use unethical research". Science is not a game where a result that was achieved by breaking rules doesn't count. And citation is not endorsement, or else how can you criticize bad studies? "Against Them Who Shall Not Be Named"?



                  (It is true that some career-relevant metrics reward researchers for getting cited often. It is also true that notoriety doubles as a form of fame in this world. None of these are the fault of researchers, and there is no moral duty to adapt to these effects through self-censorship.)



                  The only duty is honesty. If scientific results were obtained unethically, the question is: Can they still be trusted? In the case of Nazi research, for example, the question is complex and depends highly on the domain: In medicine, a lot of the medical research was tainted by bias and outright fabrication (see, e.g., this appraisal of the Dachau hypothermia experiments), while other work has been generally accepted despite ethical taint. In either case, the original researcher's ethical standing and even whatever Faustian bargains were involved in the research are not the deciding criterion. In mathematics, the consensus appears to be that, while the general quality of NS-German maths research is low except for a few lone talents, it was better than nothing. You take what you are given.







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