Pathfinder Hero Point combined with Ki Pool and Two Weapon Fighting feat

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Our DM is using the Hero Points optional rule where I can spend one point to make an additional attack.
My Ninja can spend one from his Ki Pool to make an additional attack.
At level one I took the Two Weapon Fighting feat.
Can I combine all three sources to make four attacks at level one? How many would be at -2 given that both weapons are Wakisashi?










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    @V2Blast This isn’t really about the Two-Weapon Fighting feat—note you can use the two-weapon fighting combat option without the feat, and it has the same effects and the penalties apply in the same places, they’re just bigger. Personally I don’t really think [feats] fits.
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  • @KRyan: Fair enough! Feel free to revert my edit if you feel the tag is inappropriate.
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Our DM is using the Hero Points optional rule where I can spend one point to make an additional attack.
My Ninja can spend one from his Ki Pool to make an additional attack.
At level one I took the Two Weapon Fighting feat.
Can I combine all three sources to make four attacks at level one? How many would be at -2 given that both weapons are Wakisashi?










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    @V2Blast This isn’t really about the Two-Weapon Fighting feat—note you can use the two-weapon fighting combat option without the feat, and it has the same effects and the penalties apply in the same places, they’re just bigger. Personally I don’t really think [feats] fits.
    – KRyan
    Oct 1 at 23:27










  • @KRyan: Fair enough! Feel free to revert my edit if you feel the tag is inappropriate.
    – V2Blast
    Oct 1 at 23:39












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Our DM is using the Hero Points optional rule where I can spend one point to make an additional attack.
My Ninja can spend one from his Ki Pool to make an additional attack.
At level one I took the Two Weapon Fighting feat.
Can I combine all three sources to make four attacks at level one? How many would be at -2 given that both weapons are Wakisashi?










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Our DM is using the Hero Points optional rule where I can spend one point to make an additional attack.
My Ninja can spend one from his Ki Pool to make an additional attack.
At level one I took the Two Weapon Fighting feat.
Can I combine all three sources to make four attacks at level one? How many would be at -2 given that both weapons are Wakisashi?







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    @V2Blast This isn’t really about the Two-Weapon Fighting feat—note you can use the two-weapon fighting combat option without the feat, and it has the same effects and the penalties apply in the same places, they’re just bigger. Personally I don’t really think [feats] fits.
    – KRyan
    Oct 1 at 23:27










  • @KRyan: Fair enough! Feel free to revert my edit if you feel the tag is inappropriate.
    – V2Blast
    Oct 1 at 23:39












  • 1




    @V2Blast This isn’t really about the Two-Weapon Fighting feat—note you can use the two-weapon fighting combat option without the feat, and it has the same effects and the penalties apply in the same places, they’re just bigger. Personally I don’t really think [feats] fits.
    – KRyan
    Oct 1 at 23:27










  • @KRyan: Fair enough! Feel free to revert my edit if you feel the tag is inappropriate.
    – V2Blast
    Oct 1 at 23:39







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@V2Blast This isn’t really about the Two-Weapon Fighting feat—note you can use the two-weapon fighting combat option without the feat, and it has the same effects and the penalties apply in the same places, they’re just bigger. Personally I don’t really think [feats] fits.
– KRyan
Oct 1 at 23:27




@V2Blast This isn’t really about the Two-Weapon Fighting feat—note you can use the two-weapon fighting combat option without the feat, and it has the same effects and the penalties apply in the same places, they’re just bigger. Personally I don’t really think [feats] fits.
– KRyan
Oct 1 at 23:27












@KRyan: Fair enough! Feel free to revert my edit if you feel the tag is inappropriate.
– V2Blast
Oct 1 at 23:39




@KRyan: Fair enough! Feel free to revert my edit if you feel the tag is inappropriate.
– V2Blast
Oct 1 at 23:39










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The official hero points optional rule does not actually have an option for an extra attack—instead, a hero point may be expended for an entire extra standard action, which is quite a lot better. You can use that standard action for an attack, but you could also use it for other things.



The ki pool feature allows a ninja to expend a ki point for 1 extra attack at their highest BAB during a full-attack. There is no penalty associated with this.



The two-weapon fighting combat option allows you to make one extra attack with an “offhand” weapon, in exchange for a penalty on all attack rolls during that full-attack. The size of the penalty depends on whether or not the offhand weapon is light (the wakizashi is) and whether or not you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (you do). In this case, the penalty is −2.



And, of course, you start with a single attack by default.



That means you can make a full-attack, expending a ki point and using two-weapon fighting, to attack three times, all at −2. Two of those attacks must be with separate weapons; the third can be a second attack with either of them (or an attack with a third weapon if you really wanted to like kick or use armor spikes or something like that). After those attacks are finished, you can spend a hero point to get another standard action: you can use that to attack. Since it’s not part of the full-attack where you used two-weapon fighting, it does not take the −2 penalty, and is just made at your ordinary attack bonus.






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    I would bold extra standard action and a lot better. Great answer.
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The official hero points optional rule does not actually have an option for an extra attack—instead, a hero point may be expended for an entire extra standard action, which is quite a lot better. You can use that standard action for an attack, but you could also use it for other things.



The ki pool feature allows a ninja to expend a ki point for 1 extra attack at their highest BAB during a full-attack. There is no penalty associated with this.



The two-weapon fighting combat option allows you to make one extra attack with an “offhand” weapon, in exchange for a penalty on all attack rolls during that full-attack. The size of the penalty depends on whether or not the offhand weapon is light (the wakizashi is) and whether or not you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (you do). In this case, the penalty is −2.



And, of course, you start with a single attack by default.



That means you can make a full-attack, expending a ki point and using two-weapon fighting, to attack three times, all at −2. Two of those attacks must be with separate weapons; the third can be a second attack with either of them (or an attack with a third weapon if you really wanted to like kick or use armor spikes or something like that). After those attacks are finished, you can spend a hero point to get another standard action: you can use that to attack. Since it’s not part of the full-attack where you used two-weapon fighting, it does not take the −2 penalty, and is just made at your ordinary attack bonus.






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    I would bold extra standard action and a lot better. Great answer.
    – ShadowKras
    Oct 1 at 13:12














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accepted










The official hero points optional rule does not actually have an option for an extra attack—instead, a hero point may be expended for an entire extra standard action, which is quite a lot better. You can use that standard action for an attack, but you could also use it for other things.



The ki pool feature allows a ninja to expend a ki point for 1 extra attack at their highest BAB during a full-attack. There is no penalty associated with this.



The two-weapon fighting combat option allows you to make one extra attack with an “offhand” weapon, in exchange for a penalty on all attack rolls during that full-attack. The size of the penalty depends on whether or not the offhand weapon is light (the wakizashi is) and whether or not you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (you do). In this case, the penalty is −2.



And, of course, you start with a single attack by default.



That means you can make a full-attack, expending a ki point and using two-weapon fighting, to attack three times, all at −2. Two of those attacks must be with separate weapons; the third can be a second attack with either of them (or an attack with a third weapon if you really wanted to like kick or use armor spikes or something like that). After those attacks are finished, you can spend a hero point to get another standard action: you can use that to attack. Since it’s not part of the full-attack where you used two-weapon fighting, it does not take the −2 penalty, and is just made at your ordinary attack bonus.






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    I would bold extra standard action and a lot better. Great answer.
    – ShadowKras
    Oct 1 at 13:12












up vote
13
down vote



accepted







up vote
13
down vote



accepted






The official hero points optional rule does not actually have an option for an extra attack—instead, a hero point may be expended for an entire extra standard action, which is quite a lot better. You can use that standard action for an attack, but you could also use it for other things.



The ki pool feature allows a ninja to expend a ki point for 1 extra attack at their highest BAB during a full-attack. There is no penalty associated with this.



The two-weapon fighting combat option allows you to make one extra attack with an “offhand” weapon, in exchange for a penalty on all attack rolls during that full-attack. The size of the penalty depends on whether or not the offhand weapon is light (the wakizashi is) and whether or not you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (you do). In this case, the penalty is −2.



And, of course, you start with a single attack by default.



That means you can make a full-attack, expending a ki point and using two-weapon fighting, to attack three times, all at −2. Two of those attacks must be with separate weapons; the third can be a second attack with either of them (or an attack with a third weapon if you really wanted to like kick or use armor spikes or something like that). After those attacks are finished, you can spend a hero point to get another standard action: you can use that to attack. Since it’s not part of the full-attack where you used two-weapon fighting, it does not take the −2 penalty, and is just made at your ordinary attack bonus.






share|improve this answer












The official hero points optional rule does not actually have an option for an extra attack—instead, a hero point may be expended for an entire extra standard action, which is quite a lot better. You can use that standard action for an attack, but you could also use it for other things.



The ki pool feature allows a ninja to expend a ki point for 1 extra attack at their highest BAB during a full-attack. There is no penalty associated with this.



The two-weapon fighting combat option allows you to make one extra attack with an “offhand” weapon, in exchange for a penalty on all attack rolls during that full-attack. The size of the penalty depends on whether or not the offhand weapon is light (the wakizashi is) and whether or not you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (you do). In this case, the penalty is −2.



And, of course, you start with a single attack by default.



That means you can make a full-attack, expending a ki point and using two-weapon fighting, to attack three times, all at −2. Two of those attacks must be with separate weapons; the third can be a second attack with either of them (or an attack with a third weapon if you really wanted to like kick or use armor spikes or something like that). After those attacks are finished, you can spend a hero point to get another standard action: you can use that to attack. Since it’s not part of the full-attack where you used two-weapon fighting, it does not take the −2 penalty, and is just made at your ordinary attack bonus.







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    I would bold extra standard action and a lot better. Great answer.
    – ShadowKras
    Oct 1 at 13:12












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    I would bold extra standard action and a lot better. Great answer.
    – ShadowKras
    Oct 1 at 13:12







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I would bold extra standard action and a lot better. Great answer.
– ShadowKras
Oct 1 at 13:12




I would bold extra standard action and a lot better. Great answer.
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