Difference between grouping 16th note

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I found two different way to group 16th note in diffirent sheetmusic. I would like know if both are same or different as I am just a begunner to the world of music notes.
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      I found two different way to group 16th note in diffirent sheetmusic. I would like know if both are same or different as I am just a begunner to the world of music notes.
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          They could be the same, could be different. It can depend where they are in a bar, and what the time signature is. A lot of us still prefer to see 4/4 bars that split (to the reader) into two equal halves. The top version would, if it shows beats 2 and 3, not align to that ideal. But the bottom version would. If, in 4/4, the top version was on beats 1 and 2, or 3 and 4, it would work fine.



          It can also be indicative of phrasing, although slurs do a much better job.






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            Depends on the Time Signature.



            The first grouping would be ideal in Time Signature with minim beats, the beats are upheld but the subdivision of the beat aids in the reading of notes.



            The second grouping is correct when you have crotchet beats because there is a grouping rule that says you subdivide the beats when you have semi-quavers in Time Signatures with crotchet or dotted crotchet beats.






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              I have never heard this rule. Do you have a reference that explains it further?
              – Heather S.
              Oct 1 at 17:58










            • I agree that I have seen the first style in pieces in 2/2 (or C with a bar) time and the second in 4/4 time. I also have not seen it as a written-down rule though.
              – Jonathan Twite
              Oct 2 at 9:39










            • Where did this grouping 'rule' come from?
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            I would read them both the same way. This is just differences in publishing style. My guess is that the first one is an older style.






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            • No there are definitive grouping rules at stake here.
              – Neil Meyer
              Oct 1 at 15:30










            • @NeilMeyer, please explain those rules. Nevermind, I am reading your answer.
              – Heather S.
              Oct 1 at 17:57


















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            A performer would play both versions the same way (you wouldn't accent the first note of every group or anything like that!). The differences are more for ease of reading / comprehension rather than performance instructions.



            The top example (Hanon) might be grouped as 8-note sets to show where the finger pattern repeats (you use 1234 5432 / 5432 1234 over and over again, just starting on a different note).



            The second example makes it a bit easier to see where the crotchet beats are. (4 per bar). You could group them like the first example, but it might be slightly harder to read that way.






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              They could be the same, could be different. It can depend where they are in a bar, and what the time signature is. A lot of us still prefer to see 4/4 bars that split (to the reader) into two equal halves. The top version would, if it shows beats 2 and 3, not align to that ideal. But the bottom version would. If, in 4/4, the top version was on beats 1 and 2, or 3 and 4, it would work fine.



              It can also be indicative of phrasing, although slurs do a much better job.






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                They could be the same, could be different. It can depend where they are in a bar, and what the time signature is. A lot of us still prefer to see 4/4 bars that split (to the reader) into two equal halves. The top version would, if it shows beats 2 and 3, not align to that ideal. But the bottom version would. If, in 4/4, the top version was on beats 1 and 2, or 3 and 4, it would work fine.



                It can also be indicative of phrasing, although slurs do a much better job.






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                  They could be the same, could be different. It can depend where they are in a bar, and what the time signature is. A lot of us still prefer to see 4/4 bars that split (to the reader) into two equal halves. The top version would, if it shows beats 2 and 3, not align to that ideal. But the bottom version would. If, in 4/4, the top version was on beats 1 and 2, or 3 and 4, it would work fine.



                  It can also be indicative of phrasing, although slurs do a much better job.






                  share|improve this answer












                  They could be the same, could be different. It can depend where they are in a bar, and what the time signature is. A lot of us still prefer to see 4/4 bars that split (to the reader) into two equal halves. The top version would, if it shows beats 2 and 3, not align to that ideal. But the bottom version would. If, in 4/4, the top version was on beats 1 and 2, or 3 and 4, it would work fine.



                  It can also be indicative of phrasing, although slurs do a much better job.







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                      Depends on the Time Signature.



                      The first grouping would be ideal in Time Signature with minim beats, the beats are upheld but the subdivision of the beat aids in the reading of notes.



                      The second grouping is correct when you have crotchet beats because there is a grouping rule that says you subdivide the beats when you have semi-quavers in Time Signatures with crotchet or dotted crotchet beats.






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                      • 4




                        I have never heard this rule. Do you have a reference that explains it further?
                        – Heather S.
                        Oct 1 at 17:58










                      • I agree that I have seen the first style in pieces in 2/2 (or C with a bar) time and the second in 4/4 time. I also have not seen it as a written-down rule though.
                        – Jonathan Twite
                        Oct 2 at 9:39










                      • Where did this grouping 'rule' come from?
                        – Tim
                        Oct 2 at 12:16














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                      6
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                      Depends on the Time Signature.



                      The first grouping would be ideal in Time Signature with minim beats, the beats are upheld but the subdivision of the beat aids in the reading of notes.



                      The second grouping is correct when you have crotchet beats because there is a grouping rule that says you subdivide the beats when you have semi-quavers in Time Signatures with crotchet or dotted crotchet beats.






                      share|improve this answer
















                      • 4




                        I have never heard this rule. Do you have a reference that explains it further?
                        – Heather S.
                        Oct 1 at 17:58










                      • I agree that I have seen the first style in pieces in 2/2 (or C with a bar) time and the second in 4/4 time. I also have not seen it as a written-down rule though.
                        – Jonathan Twite
                        Oct 2 at 9:39










                      • Where did this grouping 'rule' come from?
                        – Tim
                        Oct 2 at 12:16












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                      Depends on the Time Signature.



                      The first grouping would be ideal in Time Signature with minim beats, the beats are upheld but the subdivision of the beat aids in the reading of notes.



                      The second grouping is correct when you have crotchet beats because there is a grouping rule that says you subdivide the beats when you have semi-quavers in Time Signatures with crotchet or dotted crotchet beats.






                      share|improve this answer












                      Depends on the Time Signature.



                      The first grouping would be ideal in Time Signature with minim beats, the beats are upheld but the subdivision of the beat aids in the reading of notes.



                      The second grouping is correct when you have crotchet beats because there is a grouping rule that says you subdivide the beats when you have semi-quavers in Time Signatures with crotchet or dotted crotchet beats.







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                      • 4




                        I have never heard this rule. Do you have a reference that explains it further?
                        – Heather S.
                        Oct 1 at 17:58










                      • I agree that I have seen the first style in pieces in 2/2 (or C with a bar) time and the second in 4/4 time. I also have not seen it as a written-down rule though.
                        – Jonathan Twite
                        Oct 2 at 9:39










                      • Where did this grouping 'rule' come from?
                        – Tim
                        Oct 2 at 12:16












                      • 4




                        I have never heard this rule. Do you have a reference that explains it further?
                        – Heather S.
                        Oct 1 at 17:58










                      • I agree that I have seen the first style in pieces in 2/2 (or C with a bar) time and the second in 4/4 time. I also have not seen it as a written-down rule though.
                        – Jonathan Twite
                        Oct 2 at 9:39










                      • Where did this grouping 'rule' come from?
                        – Tim
                        Oct 2 at 12:16







                      4




                      4




                      I have never heard this rule. Do you have a reference that explains it further?
                      – Heather S.
                      Oct 1 at 17:58




                      I have never heard this rule. Do you have a reference that explains it further?
                      – Heather S.
                      Oct 1 at 17:58












                      I agree that I have seen the first style in pieces in 2/2 (or C with a bar) time and the second in 4/4 time. I also have not seen it as a written-down rule though.
                      – Jonathan Twite
                      Oct 2 at 9:39




                      I agree that I have seen the first style in pieces in 2/2 (or C with a bar) time and the second in 4/4 time. I also have not seen it as a written-down rule though.
                      – Jonathan Twite
                      Oct 2 at 9:39












                      Where did this grouping 'rule' come from?
                      – Tim
                      Oct 2 at 12:16




                      Where did this grouping 'rule' come from?
                      – Tim
                      Oct 2 at 12:16










                      up vote
                      3
                      down vote













                      I would read them both the same way. This is just differences in publishing style. My guess is that the first one is an older style.






                      share|improve this answer




















                      • No there are definitive grouping rules at stake here.
                        – Neil Meyer
                        Oct 1 at 15:30










                      • @NeilMeyer, please explain those rules. Nevermind, I am reading your answer.
                        – Heather S.
                        Oct 1 at 17:57















                      up vote
                      3
                      down vote













                      I would read them both the same way. This is just differences in publishing style. My guess is that the first one is an older style.






                      share|improve this answer




















                      • No there are definitive grouping rules at stake here.
                        – Neil Meyer
                        Oct 1 at 15:30










                      • @NeilMeyer, please explain those rules. Nevermind, I am reading your answer.
                        – Heather S.
                        Oct 1 at 17:57













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                      I would read them both the same way. This is just differences in publishing style. My guess is that the first one is an older style.






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                      I would read them both the same way. This is just differences in publishing style. My guess is that the first one is an older style.







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                      • No there are definitive grouping rules at stake here.
                        – Neil Meyer
                        Oct 1 at 15:30










                      • @NeilMeyer, please explain those rules. Nevermind, I am reading your answer.
                        – Heather S.
                        Oct 1 at 17:57

















                      • No there are definitive grouping rules at stake here.
                        – Neil Meyer
                        Oct 1 at 15:30










                      • @NeilMeyer, please explain those rules. Nevermind, I am reading your answer.
                        – Heather S.
                        Oct 1 at 17:57
















                      No there are definitive grouping rules at stake here.
                      – Neil Meyer
                      Oct 1 at 15:30




                      No there are definitive grouping rules at stake here.
                      – Neil Meyer
                      Oct 1 at 15:30












                      @NeilMeyer, please explain those rules. Nevermind, I am reading your answer.
                      – Heather S.
                      Oct 1 at 17:57





                      @NeilMeyer, please explain those rules. Nevermind, I am reading your answer.
                      – Heather S.
                      Oct 1 at 17:57











                      up vote
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                      A performer would play both versions the same way (you wouldn't accent the first note of every group or anything like that!). The differences are more for ease of reading / comprehension rather than performance instructions.



                      The top example (Hanon) might be grouped as 8-note sets to show where the finger pattern repeats (you use 1234 5432 / 5432 1234 over and over again, just starting on a different note).



                      The second example makes it a bit easier to see where the crotchet beats are. (4 per bar). You could group them like the first example, but it might be slightly harder to read that way.






                      share|improve this answer
























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                        A performer would play both versions the same way (you wouldn't accent the first note of every group or anything like that!). The differences are more for ease of reading / comprehension rather than performance instructions.



                        The top example (Hanon) might be grouped as 8-note sets to show where the finger pattern repeats (you use 1234 5432 / 5432 1234 over and over again, just starting on a different note).



                        The second example makes it a bit easier to see where the crotchet beats are. (4 per bar). You could group them like the first example, but it might be slightly harder to read that way.






                        share|improve this answer






















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                          A performer would play both versions the same way (you wouldn't accent the first note of every group or anything like that!). The differences are more for ease of reading / comprehension rather than performance instructions.



                          The top example (Hanon) might be grouped as 8-note sets to show where the finger pattern repeats (you use 1234 5432 / 5432 1234 over and over again, just starting on a different note).



                          The second example makes it a bit easier to see where the crotchet beats are. (4 per bar). You could group them like the first example, but it might be slightly harder to read that way.






                          share|improve this answer












                          A performer would play both versions the same way (you wouldn't accent the first note of every group or anything like that!). The differences are more for ease of reading / comprehension rather than performance instructions.



                          The top example (Hanon) might be grouped as 8-note sets to show where the finger pattern repeats (you use 1234 5432 / 5432 1234 over and over again, just starting on a different note).



                          The second example makes it a bit easier to see where the crotchet beats are. (4 per bar). You could group them like the first example, but it might be slightly harder to read that way.







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