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The statement is If $A subset mathbbR $ is any set, $I$ is an open set that contains a limit point of $L_A$ - the set of all limit points of $A$, then $I$ also contains a point of $A$. I approach this by letting $x$ in A with $x$ is a limit point of A. So for every $epsilon >0$ the deleted neighborhood $V^*(a) cap A$ is nonempty. From this how do I show that $x$ is also in $I$.










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The statement is If $A subset mathbbR $ is any set, $I$ is an open set that contains a limit point of $L_A$ - the set of all limit points of $A$, then $I$ also contains a point of $A$. I approach this by letting $x$ in A with $x$ is a limit point of A. So for every $epsilon >0$ the deleted neighborhood $V^*(a) cap A$ is nonempty. From this how do I show that $x$ is also in $I$.










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The statement is If $A subset mathbbR $ is any set, $I$ is an open set that contains a limit point of $L_A$ - the set of all limit points of $A$, then $I$ also contains a point of $A$. I approach this by letting $x$ in A with $x$ is a limit point of A. So for every $epsilon >0$ the deleted neighborhood $V^*(a) cap A$ is nonempty. From this how do I show that $x$ is also in $I$.







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  • it is a point of $L_A$.
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  • it is a point of $L_A$.
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it is a point of $L_A$.
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it is a point of $L_A$.
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If $I$ is an open set containing a limit point of $A$, call it $x$ as you have. Then since $I$ is open it contains a ball around $x$, say $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$. Then since $x$ is a limit point of $A$ we know that as you've already pointed out $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Anot=emptyset$, so since $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))subseteq I$ it follows that $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Asubseteq I$, hence $I$ contains an element of $A$.






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    I forgot to mention that the deleted neighborhood is $V^*_epsilon(x) = (x-epsilon, x) cup (x, x+epsilon)$ which basically removes the element $x$ from the ball.
    – Dong Le
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  • Yes, I realized my error. It's been corrected to adjust for the fact that we don't know $xin A$, merely that it is a limit point.
    – Melody
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    I see! Thank you very much!!
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  • Actually, I'm gonna change it back. It doesn't matter if we consider the deleted neighborhood or not. All we need to know is the neighborhood of $x$ has a point in $A$, as the entire neighborhood is in $I$.
    – Melody
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Let $X$ be any topological space and $Asubset X.$ As per the comments by the proposer, a point $xin X$ is a limit point of $A$ iff every nbhd of $x$ contains a member of $A.$



Suppose $y$ is a limit point of the set $L_A$ of limit points of $A$. If $U$ is any nbhd of $y$ then there is an open $V$ with $yin Vsubset U.$



Now $V$ is a nbhd of $y$ so there exists $xin Vcap L_A.$ But $V$ is also a nbhd of $x$ (because $V$ is open and $xin V$ ), and $xin L_A$, so there exists $ain Acap V.$



So $ain Acap U$ because $Vsubset U.$



So any nbhd $U$ of $y$ contains a member of $A.$ So $yin L_A.$



This holds in every topological space.






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    If $I$ is an open set containing a limit point of $A$, call it $x$ as you have. Then since $I$ is open it contains a ball around $x$, say $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$. Then since $x$ is a limit point of $A$ we know that as you've already pointed out $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Anot=emptyset$, so since $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))subseteq I$ it follows that $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Asubseteq I$, hence $I$ contains an element of $A$.






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      I forgot to mention that the deleted neighborhood is $V^*_epsilon(x) = (x-epsilon, x) cup (x, x+epsilon)$ which basically removes the element $x$ from the ball.
      – Dong Le
      38 mins ago










    • Yes, I realized my error. It's been corrected to adjust for the fact that we don't know $xin A$, merely that it is a limit point.
      – Melody
      36 mins ago






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      I see! Thank you very much!!
      – Dong Le
      34 mins ago










    • Actually, I'm gonna change it back. It doesn't matter if we consider the deleted neighborhood or not. All we need to know is the neighborhood of $x$ has a point in $A$, as the entire neighborhood is in $I$.
      – Melody
      32 mins ago















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    If $I$ is an open set containing a limit point of $A$, call it $x$ as you have. Then since $I$ is open it contains a ball around $x$, say $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$. Then since $x$ is a limit point of $A$ we know that as you've already pointed out $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Anot=emptyset$, so since $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))subseteq I$ it follows that $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Asubseteq I$, hence $I$ contains an element of $A$.






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      I forgot to mention that the deleted neighborhood is $V^*_epsilon(x) = (x-epsilon, x) cup (x, x+epsilon)$ which basically removes the element $x$ from the ball.
      – Dong Le
      38 mins ago










    • Yes, I realized my error. It's been corrected to adjust for the fact that we don't know $xin A$, merely that it is a limit point.
      – Melody
      36 mins ago






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      I see! Thank you very much!!
      – Dong Le
      34 mins ago










    • Actually, I'm gonna change it back. It doesn't matter if we consider the deleted neighborhood or not. All we need to know is the neighborhood of $x$ has a point in $A$, as the entire neighborhood is in $I$.
      – Melody
      32 mins ago













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    If $I$ is an open set containing a limit point of $A$, call it $x$ as you have. Then since $I$ is open it contains a ball around $x$, say $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$. Then since $x$ is a limit point of $A$ we know that as you've already pointed out $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Anot=emptyset$, so since $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))subseteq I$ it follows that $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Asubseteq I$, hence $I$ contains an element of $A$.






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    If $I$ is an open set containing a limit point of $A$, call it $x$ as you have. Then since $I$ is open it contains a ball around $x$, say $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$. Then since $x$ is a limit point of $A$ we know that as you've already pointed out $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Anot=emptyset$, so since $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))subseteq I$ it follows that $((x-epsilon,x+epsilon))cap Asubseteq I$, hence $I$ contains an element of $A$.







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      I forgot to mention that the deleted neighborhood is $V^*_epsilon(x) = (x-epsilon, x) cup (x, x+epsilon)$ which basically removes the element $x$ from the ball.
      – Dong Le
      38 mins ago










    • Yes, I realized my error. It's been corrected to adjust for the fact that we don't know $xin A$, merely that it is a limit point.
      – Melody
      36 mins ago






    • 1




      I see! Thank you very much!!
      – Dong Le
      34 mins ago










    • Actually, I'm gonna change it back. It doesn't matter if we consider the deleted neighborhood or not. All we need to know is the neighborhood of $x$ has a point in $A$, as the entire neighborhood is in $I$.
      – Melody
      32 mins ago













    • 1




      I forgot to mention that the deleted neighborhood is $V^*_epsilon(x) = (x-epsilon, x) cup (x, x+epsilon)$ which basically removes the element $x$ from the ball.
      – Dong Le
      38 mins ago










    • Yes, I realized my error. It's been corrected to adjust for the fact that we don't know $xin A$, merely that it is a limit point.
      – Melody
      36 mins ago






    • 1




      I see! Thank you very much!!
      – Dong Le
      34 mins ago










    • Actually, I'm gonna change it back. It doesn't matter if we consider the deleted neighborhood or not. All we need to know is the neighborhood of $x$ has a point in $A$, as the entire neighborhood is in $I$.
      – Melody
      32 mins ago








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    I forgot to mention that the deleted neighborhood is $V^*_epsilon(x) = (x-epsilon, x) cup (x, x+epsilon)$ which basically removes the element $x$ from the ball.
    – Dong Le
    38 mins ago




    I forgot to mention that the deleted neighborhood is $V^*_epsilon(x) = (x-epsilon, x) cup (x, x+epsilon)$ which basically removes the element $x$ from the ball.
    – Dong Le
    38 mins ago












    Yes, I realized my error. It's been corrected to adjust for the fact that we don't know $xin A$, merely that it is a limit point.
    – Melody
    36 mins ago




    Yes, I realized my error. It's been corrected to adjust for the fact that we don't know $xin A$, merely that it is a limit point.
    – Melody
    36 mins ago




    1




    1




    I see! Thank you very much!!
    – Dong Le
    34 mins ago




    I see! Thank you very much!!
    – Dong Le
    34 mins ago












    Actually, I'm gonna change it back. It doesn't matter if we consider the deleted neighborhood or not. All we need to know is the neighborhood of $x$ has a point in $A$, as the entire neighborhood is in $I$.
    – Melody
    32 mins ago





    Actually, I'm gonna change it back. It doesn't matter if we consider the deleted neighborhood or not. All we need to know is the neighborhood of $x$ has a point in $A$, as the entire neighborhood is in $I$.
    – Melody
    32 mins ago











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    Let $X$ be any topological space and $Asubset X.$ As per the comments by the proposer, a point $xin X$ is a limit point of $A$ iff every nbhd of $x$ contains a member of $A.$



    Suppose $y$ is a limit point of the set $L_A$ of limit points of $A$. If $U$ is any nbhd of $y$ then there is an open $V$ with $yin Vsubset U.$



    Now $V$ is a nbhd of $y$ so there exists $xin Vcap L_A.$ But $V$ is also a nbhd of $x$ (because $V$ is open and $xin V$ ), and $xin L_A$, so there exists $ain Acap V.$



    So $ain Acap U$ because $Vsubset U.$



    So any nbhd $U$ of $y$ contains a member of $A.$ So $yin L_A.$



    This holds in every topological space.






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      Let $X$ be any topological space and $Asubset X.$ As per the comments by the proposer, a point $xin X$ is a limit point of $A$ iff every nbhd of $x$ contains a member of $A.$



      Suppose $y$ is a limit point of the set $L_A$ of limit points of $A$. If $U$ is any nbhd of $y$ then there is an open $V$ with $yin Vsubset U.$



      Now $V$ is a nbhd of $y$ so there exists $xin Vcap L_A.$ But $V$ is also a nbhd of $x$ (because $V$ is open and $xin V$ ), and $xin L_A$, so there exists $ain Acap V.$



      So $ain Acap U$ because $Vsubset U.$



      So any nbhd $U$ of $y$ contains a member of $A.$ So $yin L_A.$



      This holds in every topological space.






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        Let $X$ be any topological space and $Asubset X.$ As per the comments by the proposer, a point $xin X$ is a limit point of $A$ iff every nbhd of $x$ contains a member of $A.$



        Suppose $y$ is a limit point of the set $L_A$ of limit points of $A$. If $U$ is any nbhd of $y$ then there is an open $V$ with $yin Vsubset U.$



        Now $V$ is a nbhd of $y$ so there exists $xin Vcap L_A.$ But $V$ is also a nbhd of $x$ (because $V$ is open and $xin V$ ), and $xin L_A$, so there exists $ain Acap V.$



        So $ain Acap U$ because $Vsubset U.$



        So any nbhd $U$ of $y$ contains a member of $A.$ So $yin L_A.$



        This holds in every topological space.






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        Let $X$ be any topological space and $Asubset X.$ As per the comments by the proposer, a point $xin X$ is a limit point of $A$ iff every nbhd of $x$ contains a member of $A.$



        Suppose $y$ is a limit point of the set $L_A$ of limit points of $A$. If $U$ is any nbhd of $y$ then there is an open $V$ with $yin Vsubset U.$



        Now $V$ is a nbhd of $y$ so there exists $xin Vcap L_A.$ But $V$ is also a nbhd of $x$ (because $V$ is open and $xin V$ ), and $xin L_A$, so there exists $ain Acap V.$



        So $ain Acap U$ because $Vsubset U.$



        So any nbhd $U$ of $y$ contains a member of $A.$ So $yin L_A.$



        This holds in every topological space.







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