A secret base is built on Mars: is it noticed?

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A secret society of inventors has been hiding for years. Finally, they have designed their Mars base in the year 2019! Unfortunately, they "borrowed" most of their supplies. If they were to build a glass survival dome say, 200 meters in length, would NASA or any of the other space agencies be able to find it in the next few years?



Assuming that no Martian rovers or anything come across the dome, would satellites or telescopes notice the domes, and how long until they do?










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  • How do they get to Mars unnoticed?
    – Keith Morrison
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  • They hide in a secret compartment in a NASA rocket, but that's not relevant to the question
    – Redwolf Programs
    2 hours ago










  • Many proposed Martian colonies are at least partially underground, to protect them from radiation. Making them harder to spot by satellite would be a side benefit.
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  • @RedwolfPrograms I know this isn't related to the question, but how would you be able to hide something from NASA, let alone the additional supplies and equipment you would need. It costs like $20,000 to send a kilo payload and the location and weight distribution is going to have a huge impact on the flight plan.
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  • Has the construction process given NASA any reason to look?
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A secret society of inventors has been hiding for years. Finally, they have designed their Mars base in the year 2019! Unfortunately, they "borrowed" most of their supplies. If they were to build a glass survival dome say, 200 meters in length, would NASA or any of the other space agencies be able to find it in the next few years?



Assuming that no Martian rovers or anything come across the dome, would satellites or telescopes notice the domes, and how long until they do?










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  • How do they get to Mars unnoticed?
    – Keith Morrison
    3 hours ago










  • They hide in a secret compartment in a NASA rocket, but that's not relevant to the question
    – Redwolf Programs
    2 hours ago










  • Many proposed Martian colonies are at least partially underground, to protect them from radiation. Making them harder to spot by satellite would be a side benefit.
    – Cadence
    2 hours ago










  • @RedwolfPrograms I know this isn't related to the question, but how would you be able to hide something from NASA, let alone the additional supplies and equipment you would need. It costs like $20,000 to send a kilo payload and the location and weight distribution is going to have a huge impact on the flight plan.
    – Shadowzee
    2 hours ago










  • Has the construction process given NASA any reason to look?
    – Cort Ammon
    1 hour ago












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A secret society of inventors has been hiding for years. Finally, they have designed their Mars base in the year 2019! Unfortunately, they "borrowed" most of their supplies. If they were to build a glass survival dome say, 200 meters in length, would NASA or any of the other space agencies be able to find it in the next few years?



Assuming that no Martian rovers or anything come across the dome, would satellites or telescopes notice the domes, and how long until they do?










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A secret society of inventors has been hiding for years. Finally, they have designed their Mars base in the year 2019! Unfortunately, they "borrowed" most of their supplies. If they were to build a glass survival dome say, 200 meters in length, would NASA or any of the other space agencies be able to find it in the next few years?



Assuming that no Martian rovers or anything come across the dome, would satellites or telescopes notice the domes, and how long until they do?







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  • How do they get to Mars unnoticed?
    – Keith Morrison
    3 hours ago










  • They hide in a secret compartment in a NASA rocket, but that's not relevant to the question
    – Redwolf Programs
    2 hours ago










  • Many proposed Martian colonies are at least partially underground, to protect them from radiation. Making them harder to spot by satellite would be a side benefit.
    – Cadence
    2 hours ago










  • @RedwolfPrograms I know this isn't related to the question, but how would you be able to hide something from NASA, let alone the additional supplies and equipment you would need. It costs like $20,000 to send a kilo payload and the location and weight distribution is going to have a huge impact on the flight plan.
    – Shadowzee
    2 hours ago










  • Has the construction process given NASA any reason to look?
    – Cort Ammon
    1 hour ago
















  • How do they get to Mars unnoticed?
    – Keith Morrison
    3 hours ago










  • They hide in a secret compartment in a NASA rocket, but that's not relevant to the question
    – Redwolf Programs
    2 hours ago










  • Many proposed Martian colonies are at least partially underground, to protect them from radiation. Making them harder to spot by satellite would be a side benefit.
    – Cadence
    2 hours ago










  • @RedwolfPrograms I know this isn't related to the question, but how would you be able to hide something from NASA, let alone the additional supplies and equipment you would need. It costs like $20,000 to send a kilo payload and the location and weight distribution is going to have a huge impact on the flight plan.
    – Shadowzee
    2 hours ago










  • Has the construction process given NASA any reason to look?
    – Cort Ammon
    1 hour ago















How do they get to Mars unnoticed?
– Keith Morrison
3 hours ago




How do they get to Mars unnoticed?
– Keith Morrison
3 hours ago












They hide in a secret compartment in a NASA rocket, but that's not relevant to the question
– Redwolf Programs
2 hours ago




They hide in a secret compartment in a NASA rocket, but that's not relevant to the question
– Redwolf Programs
2 hours ago












Many proposed Martian colonies are at least partially underground, to protect them from radiation. Making them harder to spot by satellite would be a side benefit.
– Cadence
2 hours ago




Many proposed Martian colonies are at least partially underground, to protect them from radiation. Making them harder to spot by satellite would be a side benefit.
– Cadence
2 hours ago












@RedwolfPrograms I know this isn't related to the question, but how would you be able to hide something from NASA, let alone the additional supplies and equipment you would need. It costs like $20,000 to send a kilo payload and the location and weight distribution is going to have a huge impact on the flight plan.
– Shadowzee
2 hours ago




@RedwolfPrograms I know this isn't related to the question, but how would you be able to hide something from NASA, let alone the additional supplies and equipment you would need. It costs like $20,000 to send a kilo payload and the location and weight distribution is going to have a huge impact on the flight plan.
– Shadowzee
2 hours ago












Has the construction process given NASA any reason to look?
– Cort Ammon
1 hour ago




Has the construction process given NASA any reason to look?
– Cort Ammon
1 hour ago










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The rover Curiosity, way smaller than 200 m, can be seen from Martian orbit:



Curiosity seen from martian orbit



So, for a martian satellite in polar orbit it would be just a matter of days before capturing visual proof of the presence of "something" that big on the surface. If instead its orbit wasn't polar, and the dome was built in a suitable location, it could go unnoticed.



For Earth based telescopes the task is harder, and they cannot spot anything of that size.



So, maybe an "incident" can take care of the martian satellites before the building work starts...






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  • That's really awesome, considering that the rover is basically car sized. Why can't we see similar sized objects from Earth satellites?
    – Adrian Zhang
    2 hours ago










  • @AdrianZhang Military spy satellites circling Earth can resolve objects down to one foot -- about 30 cm -- in size (at least). Are you asking why Earth-based satellites cannot discern car-sized objects on Mars? Note that the terrestial atmosphere is much denser than the Martian one, and that there are clouds.
    – njuffa
    39 mins ago











  • No, I was asking why we can't see things of that resolution on Earth. Evidently, I was wrong haha
    – Adrian Zhang
    38 mins ago










  • @AdrianZhang: BBC, in 2014: "The latest US spy satellites, in comparison, are reported to be able to pick out objects less than 10cm (4 inches) across."
    – njuffa
    35 mins ago

















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it would be easier to provide radiation-shielding if the enclosure were built sub-surface. also easier to camouflage the installation. best of all to make an excavation large enough to facilitate sub-surface mining, especially for water-drilling.



some facility would have to be devised to excavate & distribute any mineral debris in a non-detectable way. but that would be the case wherever the enclosure is located.



there is going to be a need for access to sub-surface water in any case.






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    A good answer by L.Dutch regarding sensor resolution, but remember that people knew where to look for the rover.



    There are good chances that pictures would be taken and fed to an automated analysis system, which would not be programmed to spot domes. Scientists might not look at the data as it comes in, until some grad student tries to analyse weathering patterns or whatever years later.



    Perhaps the data would be fed into a public database. Some random guy running a flight simulator on Mars might spot it.






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      The rover Curiosity, way smaller than 200 m, can be seen from Martian orbit:



      Curiosity seen from martian orbit



      So, for a martian satellite in polar orbit it would be just a matter of days before capturing visual proof of the presence of "something" that big on the surface. If instead its orbit wasn't polar, and the dome was built in a suitable location, it could go unnoticed.



      For Earth based telescopes the task is harder, and they cannot spot anything of that size.



      So, maybe an "incident" can take care of the martian satellites before the building work starts...






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      • That's really awesome, considering that the rover is basically car sized. Why can't we see similar sized objects from Earth satellites?
        – Adrian Zhang
        2 hours ago










      • @AdrianZhang Military spy satellites circling Earth can resolve objects down to one foot -- about 30 cm -- in size (at least). Are you asking why Earth-based satellites cannot discern car-sized objects on Mars? Note that the terrestial atmosphere is much denser than the Martian one, and that there are clouds.
        – njuffa
        39 mins ago











      • No, I was asking why we can't see things of that resolution on Earth. Evidently, I was wrong haha
        – Adrian Zhang
        38 mins ago










      • @AdrianZhang: BBC, in 2014: "The latest US spy satellites, in comparison, are reported to be able to pick out objects less than 10cm (4 inches) across."
        – njuffa
        35 mins ago














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      The rover Curiosity, way smaller than 200 m, can be seen from Martian orbit:



      Curiosity seen from martian orbit



      So, for a martian satellite in polar orbit it would be just a matter of days before capturing visual proof of the presence of "something" that big on the surface. If instead its orbit wasn't polar, and the dome was built in a suitable location, it could go unnoticed.



      For Earth based telescopes the task is harder, and they cannot spot anything of that size.



      So, maybe an "incident" can take care of the martian satellites before the building work starts...






      share|improve this answer




















      • That's really awesome, considering that the rover is basically car sized. Why can't we see similar sized objects from Earth satellites?
        – Adrian Zhang
        2 hours ago










      • @AdrianZhang Military spy satellites circling Earth can resolve objects down to one foot -- about 30 cm -- in size (at least). Are you asking why Earth-based satellites cannot discern car-sized objects on Mars? Note that the terrestial atmosphere is much denser than the Martian one, and that there are clouds.
        – njuffa
        39 mins ago











      • No, I was asking why we can't see things of that resolution on Earth. Evidently, I was wrong haha
        – Adrian Zhang
        38 mins ago










      • @AdrianZhang: BBC, in 2014: "The latest US spy satellites, in comparison, are reported to be able to pick out objects less than 10cm (4 inches) across."
        – njuffa
        35 mins ago












      up vote
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      The rover Curiosity, way smaller than 200 m, can be seen from Martian orbit:



      Curiosity seen from martian orbit



      So, for a martian satellite in polar orbit it would be just a matter of days before capturing visual proof of the presence of "something" that big on the surface. If instead its orbit wasn't polar, and the dome was built in a suitable location, it could go unnoticed.



      For Earth based telescopes the task is harder, and they cannot spot anything of that size.



      So, maybe an "incident" can take care of the martian satellites before the building work starts...






      share|improve this answer












      The rover Curiosity, way smaller than 200 m, can be seen from Martian orbit:



      Curiosity seen from martian orbit



      So, for a martian satellite in polar orbit it would be just a matter of days before capturing visual proof of the presence of "something" that big on the surface. If instead its orbit wasn't polar, and the dome was built in a suitable location, it could go unnoticed.



      For Earth based telescopes the task is harder, and they cannot spot anything of that size.



      So, maybe an "incident" can take care of the martian satellites before the building work starts...







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      • That's really awesome, considering that the rover is basically car sized. Why can't we see similar sized objects from Earth satellites?
        – Adrian Zhang
        2 hours ago










      • @AdrianZhang Military spy satellites circling Earth can resolve objects down to one foot -- about 30 cm -- in size (at least). Are you asking why Earth-based satellites cannot discern car-sized objects on Mars? Note that the terrestial atmosphere is much denser than the Martian one, and that there are clouds.
        – njuffa
        39 mins ago











      • No, I was asking why we can't see things of that resolution on Earth. Evidently, I was wrong haha
        – Adrian Zhang
        38 mins ago










      • @AdrianZhang: BBC, in 2014: "The latest US spy satellites, in comparison, are reported to be able to pick out objects less than 10cm (4 inches) across."
        – njuffa
        35 mins ago
















      • That's really awesome, considering that the rover is basically car sized. Why can't we see similar sized objects from Earth satellites?
        – Adrian Zhang
        2 hours ago










      • @AdrianZhang Military spy satellites circling Earth can resolve objects down to one foot -- about 30 cm -- in size (at least). Are you asking why Earth-based satellites cannot discern car-sized objects on Mars? Note that the terrestial atmosphere is much denser than the Martian one, and that there are clouds.
        – njuffa
        39 mins ago











      • No, I was asking why we can't see things of that resolution on Earth. Evidently, I was wrong haha
        – Adrian Zhang
        38 mins ago










      • @AdrianZhang: BBC, in 2014: "The latest US spy satellites, in comparison, are reported to be able to pick out objects less than 10cm (4 inches) across."
        – njuffa
        35 mins ago















      That's really awesome, considering that the rover is basically car sized. Why can't we see similar sized objects from Earth satellites?
      – Adrian Zhang
      2 hours ago




      That's really awesome, considering that the rover is basically car sized. Why can't we see similar sized objects from Earth satellites?
      – Adrian Zhang
      2 hours ago












      @AdrianZhang Military spy satellites circling Earth can resolve objects down to one foot -- about 30 cm -- in size (at least). Are you asking why Earth-based satellites cannot discern car-sized objects on Mars? Note that the terrestial atmosphere is much denser than the Martian one, and that there are clouds.
      – njuffa
      39 mins ago





      @AdrianZhang Military spy satellites circling Earth can resolve objects down to one foot -- about 30 cm -- in size (at least). Are you asking why Earth-based satellites cannot discern car-sized objects on Mars? Note that the terrestial atmosphere is much denser than the Martian one, and that there are clouds.
      – njuffa
      39 mins ago













      No, I was asking why we can't see things of that resolution on Earth. Evidently, I was wrong haha
      – Adrian Zhang
      38 mins ago




      No, I was asking why we can't see things of that resolution on Earth. Evidently, I was wrong haha
      – Adrian Zhang
      38 mins ago












      @AdrianZhang: BBC, in 2014: "The latest US spy satellites, in comparison, are reported to be able to pick out objects less than 10cm (4 inches) across."
      – njuffa
      35 mins ago




      @AdrianZhang: BBC, in 2014: "The latest US spy satellites, in comparison, are reported to be able to pick out objects less than 10cm (4 inches) across."
      – njuffa
      35 mins ago










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      it would be easier to provide radiation-shielding if the enclosure were built sub-surface. also easier to camouflage the installation. best of all to make an excavation large enough to facilitate sub-surface mining, especially for water-drilling.



      some facility would have to be devised to excavate & distribute any mineral debris in a non-detectable way. but that would be the case wherever the enclosure is located.



      there is going to be a need for access to sub-surface water in any case.






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        it would be easier to provide radiation-shielding if the enclosure were built sub-surface. also easier to camouflage the installation. best of all to make an excavation large enough to facilitate sub-surface mining, especially for water-drilling.



        some facility would have to be devised to excavate & distribute any mineral debris in a non-detectable way. but that would be the case wherever the enclosure is located.



        there is going to be a need for access to sub-surface water in any case.






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          it would be easier to provide radiation-shielding if the enclosure were built sub-surface. also easier to camouflage the installation. best of all to make an excavation large enough to facilitate sub-surface mining, especially for water-drilling.



          some facility would have to be devised to excavate & distribute any mineral debris in a non-detectable way. but that would be the case wherever the enclosure is located.



          there is going to be a need for access to sub-surface water in any case.






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          it would be easier to provide radiation-shielding if the enclosure were built sub-surface. also easier to camouflage the installation. best of all to make an excavation large enough to facilitate sub-surface mining, especially for water-drilling.



          some facility would have to be devised to excavate & distribute any mineral debris in a non-detectable way. but that would be the case wherever the enclosure is located.



          there is going to be a need for access to sub-surface water in any case.







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              A good answer by L.Dutch regarding sensor resolution, but remember that people knew where to look for the rover.



              There are good chances that pictures would be taken and fed to an automated analysis system, which would not be programmed to spot domes. Scientists might not look at the data as it comes in, until some grad student tries to analyse weathering patterns or whatever years later.



              Perhaps the data would be fed into a public database. Some random guy running a flight simulator on Mars might spot it.






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                up vote
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                A good answer by L.Dutch regarding sensor resolution, but remember that people knew where to look for the rover.



                There are good chances that pictures would be taken and fed to an automated analysis system, which would not be programmed to spot domes. Scientists might not look at the data as it comes in, until some grad student tries to analyse weathering patterns or whatever years later.



                Perhaps the data would be fed into a public database. Some random guy running a flight simulator on Mars might spot it.






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                  A good answer by L.Dutch regarding sensor resolution, but remember that people knew where to look for the rover.



                  There are good chances that pictures would be taken and fed to an automated analysis system, which would not be programmed to spot domes. Scientists might not look at the data as it comes in, until some grad student tries to analyse weathering patterns or whatever years later.



                  Perhaps the data would be fed into a public database. Some random guy running a flight simulator on Mars might spot it.






                  share|improve this answer












                  A good answer by L.Dutch regarding sensor resolution, but remember that people knew where to look for the rover.



                  There are good chances that pictures would be taken and fed to an automated analysis system, which would not be programmed to spot domes. Scientists might not look at the data as it comes in, until some grad student tries to analyse weathering patterns or whatever years later.



                  Perhaps the data would be fed into a public database. Some random guy running a flight simulator on Mars might spot it.







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