If you have a few meetings with a professor to discuss a paper, but they do not do any actual writing, is this sufficient to justify authorship?
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Early this year I've started writing my first an article with an ex professor of mine. The article is almost done, but until now he haven´t write a single sentence or provide any data, it has been all my work. We have meet about 10 times for 90 minutes to discuss the progress of the article, and I have to recognize that during this meetings some of my ideas have been shaped by his advices, specially reagarding the research question. I know he has spent his time in this work, but I don´t think that quialifies as authorship on the article, and I´m not sure what to do about this. I appreciate any advice you can give me on how to act on this issue.
So in general:
If a professor meets with you a few times to assist you in writing a paper but does not do any actual writing, is this sufficient to justify him being an author?
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Early this year I've started writing my first an article with an ex professor of mine. The article is almost done, but until now he haven´t write a single sentence or provide any data, it has been all my work. We have meet about 10 times for 90 minutes to discuss the progress of the article, and I have to recognize that during this meetings some of my ideas have been shaped by his advices, specially reagarding the research question. I know he has spent his time in this work, but I don´t think that quialifies as authorship on the article, and I´m not sure what to do about this. I appreciate any advice you can give me on how to act on this issue.
So in general:
If a professor meets with you a few times to assist you in writing a paper but does not do any actual writing, is this sufficient to justify him being an author?
authorship
edited 15 mins ago
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Possible duplicate of What are the minimum contributions required for co-authorship
– gman
4 hours ago
What did he say when you asked him. He knows more about authorship than you.
– Azor Ahai
4 hours ago
1
You can check what's the common practice among your peers. In my experience what you describe is fairly common in my field. If you feel that's not a fair collaboration, just evade this person next time.
– Scientist
4 hours ago
1
Your specific field can influence what is typical for authorship.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
just to clarify: 10 * 90 minute meetings or 10 * 9 minute meetings?
– Jeromy Anglim
13 mins ago
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Early this year I've started writing my first an article with an ex professor of mine. The article is almost done, but until now he haven´t write a single sentence or provide any data, it has been all my work. We have meet about 10 times for 90 minutes to discuss the progress of the article, and I have to recognize that during this meetings some of my ideas have been shaped by his advices, specially reagarding the research question. I know he has spent his time in this work, but I don´t think that quialifies as authorship on the article, and I´m not sure what to do about this. I appreciate any advice you can give me on how to act on this issue.
So in general:
If a professor meets with you a few times to assist you in writing a paper but does not do any actual writing, is this sufficient to justify him being an author?
authorship
edited 15 mins ago
Jeromy Anglim
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asked 4 hours ago
Ãlvaro Hasbún
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Early this year I've started writing my first an article with an ex professor of mine. The article is almost done, but until now he haven´t write a single sentence or provide any data, it has been all my work. We have meet about 10 times for 90 minutes to discuss the progress of the article, and I have to recognize that during this meetings some of my ideas have been shaped by his advices, specially reagarding the research question. I know he has spent his time in this work, but I don´t think that quialifies as authorship on the article, and I´m not sure what to do about this. I appreciate any advice you can give me on how to act on this issue.
So in general:
If a professor meets with you a few times to assist you in writing a paper but does not do any actual writing, is this sufficient to justify him being an author?
authorship
authorship
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Possible duplicate of What are the minimum contributions required for co-authorship
– gman
4 hours ago
What did he say when you asked him. He knows more about authorship than you.
– Azor Ahai
4 hours ago
1
You can check what's the common practice among your peers. In my experience what you describe is fairly common in my field. If you feel that's not a fair collaboration, just evade this person next time.
– Scientist
4 hours ago
1
Your specific field can influence what is typical for authorship.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
just to clarify: 10 * 90 minute meetings or 10 * 9 minute meetings?
– Jeromy Anglim
13 mins ago
add a comment |Â
3
Possible duplicate of What are the minimum contributions required for co-authorship
– gman
4 hours ago
What did he say when you asked him. He knows more about authorship than you.
– Azor Ahai
4 hours ago
1
You can check what's the common practice among your peers. In my experience what you describe is fairly common in my field. If you feel that's not a fair collaboration, just evade this person next time.
– Scientist
4 hours ago
1
Your specific field can influence what is typical for authorship.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
just to clarify: 10 * 90 minute meetings or 10 * 9 minute meetings?
– Jeromy Anglim
13 mins ago
3
3
Possible duplicate of What are the minimum contributions required for co-authorship
– gman
4 hours ago
Possible duplicate of What are the minimum contributions required for co-authorship
– gman
4 hours ago
What did he say when you asked him. He knows more about authorship than you.
– Azor Ahai
4 hours ago
What did he say when you asked him. He knows more about authorship than you.
– Azor Ahai
4 hours ago
1
1
You can check what's the common practice among your peers. In my experience what you describe is fairly common in my field. If you feel that's not a fair collaboration, just evade this person next time.
– Scientist
4 hours ago
You can check what's the common practice among your peers. In my experience what you describe is fairly common in my field. If you feel that's not a fair collaboration, just evade this person next time.
– Scientist
4 hours ago
1
1
Your specific field can influence what is typical for authorship.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
Your specific field can influence what is typical for authorship.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
just to clarify: 10 * 90 minute meetings or 10 * 9 minute meetings?
– Jeromy Anglim
13 mins ago
just to clarify: 10 * 90 minute meetings or 10 * 9 minute meetings?
– Jeromy Anglim
13 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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The content of those meetings is largely going to be the answer to your question, and we can't really know the content of those meetings. There's a case to be made that those discussions helped form things, and he doesn't sound otherwise problematic, so I think it's likely worth just making him an author and moving on.
answered 4 hours ago
Fomite
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Indeed. In 10 90-minute meetings likely a lot got discussed that ended up in the paper. Not to mention whatever else happened before work on the paper ever started. At worst the professor will decline to be an author.
– Jon Custer
4 hours ago
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Actually, you should ask him what are his expectations and follow his advice. Certainly he has contributed, probably substantially, to the work. The writing isn't everything. The ideas that it embodies are.
If he wants to be your co-author, do that. You didn't say anything in your question about his expectations. But also, think of the future. If his continued guidance is helpful to you then you should be happy to co-author papers with him. But if you can carry on alone, you can do that too.
answered 3 hours ago
Buffy
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If he is generous and mentoring he'll say "it's yours" when you ask. In which case thank him with a generous footnote.
– Ethan Bolker
14 mins ago
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
7
down vote
The content of those meetings is largely going to be the answer to your question, and we can't really know the content of those meetings. There's a case to be made that those discussions helped form things, and he doesn't sound otherwise problematic, so I think it's likely worth just making him an author and moving on.
answered 4 hours ago
Fomite
47k4100213
1
Indeed. In 10 90-minute meetings likely a lot got discussed that ended up in the paper. Not to mention whatever else happened before work on the paper ever started. At worst the professor will decline to be an author.
– Jon Custer
4 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
7
down vote
The content of those meetings is largely going to be the answer to your question, and we can't really know the content of those meetings. There's a case to be made that those discussions helped form things, and he doesn't sound otherwise problematic, so I think it's likely worth just making him an author and moving on.
answered 4 hours ago
Fomite
47k4100213
1
Indeed. In 10 90-minute meetings likely a lot got discussed that ended up in the paper. Not to mention whatever else happened before work on the paper ever started. At worst the professor will decline to be an author.
– Jon Custer
4 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
7
down vote
up vote
7
down vote
The content of those meetings is largely going to be the answer to your question, and we can't really know the content of those meetings. There's a case to be made that those discussions helped form things, and he doesn't sound otherwise problematic, so I think it's likely worth just making him an author and moving on.
answered 4 hours ago
Fomite
47k4100213
The content of those meetings is largely going to be the answer to your question, and we can't really know the content of those meetings. There's a case to be made that those discussions helped form things, and he doesn't sound otherwise problematic, so I think it's likely worth just making him an author and moving on.
answered 4 hours ago
Fomite
47k4100213
answered 4 hours ago
Fomite
47k4100213
answered 4 hours ago
Fomite
47k4100213
answered 4 hours ago
Fomite
47k4100213
47k4100213
1
Indeed. In 10 90-minute meetings likely a lot got discussed that ended up in the paper. Not to mention whatever else happened before work on the paper ever started. At worst the professor will decline to be an author.
– Jon Custer
4 hours ago
add a comment |Â
1
Indeed. In 10 90-minute meetings likely a lot got discussed that ended up in the paper. Not to mention whatever else happened before work on the paper ever started. At worst the professor will decline to be an author.
– Jon Custer
4 hours ago
1
1
Indeed. In 10 90-minute meetings likely a lot got discussed that ended up in the paper. Not to mention whatever else happened before work on the paper ever started. At worst the professor will decline to be an author.
– Jon Custer
4 hours ago
Indeed. In 10 90-minute meetings likely a lot got discussed that ended up in the paper. Not to mention whatever else happened before work on the paper ever started. At worst the professor will decline to be an author.
– Jon Custer
4 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
Actually, you should ask him what are his expectations and follow his advice. Certainly he has contributed, probably substantially, to the work. The writing isn't everything. The ideas that it embodies are.
If he wants to be your co-author, do that. You didn't say anything in your question about his expectations. But also, think of the future. If his continued guidance is helpful to you then you should be happy to co-author papers with him. But if you can carry on alone, you can do that too.
answered 3 hours ago
Buffy
21.9k669124
If he is generous and mentoring he'll say "it's yours" when you ask. In which case thank him with a generous footnote.
– Ethan Bolker
14 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
Actually, you should ask him what are his expectations and follow his advice. Certainly he has contributed, probably substantially, to the work. The writing isn't everything. The ideas that it embodies are.
If he wants to be your co-author, do that. You didn't say anything in your question about his expectations. But also, think of the future. If his continued guidance is helpful to you then you should be happy to co-author papers with him. But if you can carry on alone, you can do that too.
answered 3 hours ago
Buffy
21.9k669124
If he is generous and mentoring he'll say "it's yours" when you ask. In which case thank him with a generous footnote.
– Ethan Bolker
14 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
Actually, you should ask him what are his expectations and follow his advice. Certainly he has contributed, probably substantially, to the work. The writing isn't everything. The ideas that it embodies are.
If he wants to be your co-author, do that. You didn't say anything in your question about his expectations. But also, think of the future. If his continued guidance is helpful to you then you should be happy to co-author papers with him. But if you can carry on alone, you can do that too.
answered 3 hours ago
Buffy
21.9k669124
Actually, you should ask him what are his expectations and follow his advice. Certainly he has contributed, probably substantially, to the work. The writing isn't everything. The ideas that it embodies are.
If he wants to be your co-author, do that. You didn't say anything in your question about his expectations. But also, think of the future. If his continued guidance is helpful to you then you should be happy to co-author papers with him. But if you can carry on alone, you can do that too.
answered 3 hours ago
Buffy
21.9k669124
answered 3 hours ago
Buffy
21.9k669124
answered 3 hours ago
Buffy
21.9k669124
answered 3 hours ago
Buffy
21.9k669124
21.9k669124
If he is generous and mentoring he'll say "it's yours" when you ask. In which case thank him with a generous footnote.
– Ethan Bolker
14 mins ago
add a comment |Â
If he is generous and mentoring he'll say "it's yours" when you ask. In which case thank him with a generous footnote.
– Ethan Bolker
14 mins ago
If he is generous and mentoring he'll say "it's yours" when you ask. In which case thank him with a generous footnote.
– Ethan Bolker
14 mins ago
If he is generous and mentoring he'll say "it's yours" when you ask. In which case thank him with a generous footnote.
– Ethan Bolker
14 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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3
Possible duplicate of What are the minimum contributions required for co-authorship
– gman
4 hours ago
What did he say when you asked him. He knows more about authorship than you.
– Azor Ahai
4 hours ago
1
You can check what's the common practice among your peers. In my experience what you describe is fairly common in my field. If you feel that's not a fair collaboration, just evade this person next time.
– Scientist
4 hours ago
1
Your specific field can influence what is typical for authorship.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
just to clarify: 10 * 90 minute meetings or 10 * 9 minute meetings?
– Jeromy Anglim
13 mins ago