Did Miranda cross the Atlantic?
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[I'm not sure this belongs here, but it is about usage and the intersection of AmE and BrE. Suggestions for alternative stacks appreciated]
US entertainment media have an outsized influence on other countries and cultures. For instance, apparently in some places the emergency services now have to respond to "9-1-1" calls in addition to the usual local number such as "9-9-9".
But this one surprised me. In a crime novel set in Britain, by a British author, regarding a British police detective and a suspect:
"Am I under arrest?"
"Did you hear me read you your Miranda rights?"
"Well, no, but..."
Is this plausible? Has "Miranda" become one of those US memes passed on to other countries, to the point where everyday criminals in the West Midlands would understand it as shorthand for being questioned under caution?
I can't find any evidence of this online, but it seems unlikely that this author (English born and Black Country bred) just made it up.
Has anyone seen real-life examples of this?
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[I'm not sure this belongs here, but it is about usage and the intersection of AmE and BrE. Suggestions for alternative stacks appreciated]
US entertainment media have an outsized influence on other countries and cultures. For instance, apparently in some places the emergency services now have to respond to "9-1-1" calls in addition to the usual local number such as "9-9-9".
But this one surprised me. In a crime novel set in Britain, by a British author, regarding a British police detective and a suspect:
"Am I under arrest?"
"Did you hear me read you your Miranda rights?"
"Well, no, but..."
Is this plausible? Has "Miranda" become one of those US memes passed on to other countries, to the point where everyday criminals in the West Midlands would understand it as shorthand for being questioned under caution?
I can't find any evidence of this online, but it seems unlikely that this author (English born and Black Country bred) just made it up.
Has anyone seen real-life examples of this?
american-english british-english mass-media
asked 3 hours ago
Jim Mack
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Well yes it's a worldwide trope, precisely thanks to the fact that it's a meme and nothing to do with reality. That facilitates its spread enormously. That the author thinks Miranda rights are somehow part of an arrest procedure, let alone a mandatory part, is a testament to the fact that he doesn't know the first thing about them, it's not something that actually happens in his country of origin, and not something that he has so much as spent twenty seconds on Wikipedia researching. It's quite obviously a convenient meme he overheard on the TV somewhere.
– RegDwigýt♦
1 hour ago
Do bear in mind that at least a couple of the popular "British" detective series are written by Americans.
– Hot Licks
1 hour ago
@hotlicks - Yes, I'm familiar with that phenomenon (-: but this author is definitely a "native".
– Jim Mack
7 mins ago
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[I'm not sure this belongs here, but it is about usage and the intersection of AmE and BrE. Suggestions for alternative stacks appreciated]
US entertainment media have an outsized influence on other countries and cultures. For instance, apparently in some places the emergency services now have to respond to "9-1-1" calls in addition to the usual local number such as "9-9-9".
But this one surprised me. In a crime novel set in Britain, by a British author, regarding a British police detective and a suspect:
"Am I under arrest?"
"Did you hear me read you your Miranda rights?"
"Well, no, but..."
Is this plausible? Has "Miranda" become one of those US memes passed on to other countries, to the point where everyday criminals in the West Midlands would understand it as shorthand for being questioned under caution?
I can't find any evidence of this online, but it seems unlikely that this author (English born and Black Country bred) just made it up.
Has anyone seen real-life examples of this?
american-english british-english mass-media
asked 3 hours ago
Jim Mack
6,63321731
[I'm not sure this belongs here, but it is about usage and the intersection of AmE and BrE. Suggestions for alternative stacks appreciated]
US entertainment media have an outsized influence on other countries and cultures. For instance, apparently in some places the emergency services now have to respond to "9-1-1" calls in addition to the usual local number such as "9-9-9".
But this one surprised me. In a crime novel set in Britain, by a British author, regarding a British police detective and a suspect:
"Am I under arrest?"
"Did you hear me read you your Miranda rights?"
"Well, no, but..."
Is this plausible? Has "Miranda" become one of those US memes passed on to other countries, to the point where everyday criminals in the West Midlands would understand it as shorthand for being questioned under caution?
I can't find any evidence of this online, but it seems unlikely that this author (English born and Black Country bred) just made it up.
Has anyone seen real-life examples of this?
american-english british-english mass-media
american-english british-english mass-media
asked 3 hours ago
Jim Mack
6,63321731
asked 3 hours ago
Jim Mack
6,63321731
asked 3 hours ago
Jim Mack
6,63321731
asked 3 hours ago
Jim Mack
6,63321731
asked 3 hours ago
Jim Mack
6,63321731
6,63321731
1
Well yes it's a worldwide trope, precisely thanks to the fact that it's a meme and nothing to do with reality. That facilitates its spread enormously. That the author thinks Miranda rights are somehow part of an arrest procedure, let alone a mandatory part, is a testament to the fact that he doesn't know the first thing about them, it's not something that actually happens in his country of origin, and not something that he has so much as spent twenty seconds on Wikipedia researching. It's quite obviously a convenient meme he overheard on the TV somewhere.
– RegDwigýt♦
1 hour ago
Do bear in mind that at least a couple of the popular "British" detective series are written by Americans.
– Hot Licks
1 hour ago
@hotlicks - Yes, I'm familiar with that phenomenon (-: but this author is definitely a "native".
– Jim Mack
7 mins ago
add a comment |Â
1
Well yes it's a worldwide trope, precisely thanks to the fact that it's a meme and nothing to do with reality. That facilitates its spread enormously. That the author thinks Miranda rights are somehow part of an arrest procedure, let alone a mandatory part, is a testament to the fact that he doesn't know the first thing about them, it's not something that actually happens in his country of origin, and not something that he has so much as spent twenty seconds on Wikipedia researching. It's quite obviously a convenient meme he overheard on the TV somewhere.
– RegDwigýt♦
1 hour ago
Do bear in mind that at least a couple of the popular "British" detective series are written by Americans.
– Hot Licks
1 hour ago
@hotlicks - Yes, I'm familiar with that phenomenon (-: but this author is definitely a "native".
– Jim Mack
7 mins ago
1
1
Well yes it's a worldwide trope, precisely thanks to the fact that it's a meme and nothing to do with reality. That facilitates its spread enormously. That the author thinks Miranda rights are somehow part of an arrest procedure, let alone a mandatory part, is a testament to the fact that he doesn't know the first thing about them, it's not something that actually happens in his country of origin, and not something that he has so much as spent twenty seconds on Wikipedia researching. It's quite obviously a convenient meme he overheard on the TV somewhere.
– RegDwigýt♦
1 hour ago
Well yes it's a worldwide trope, precisely thanks to the fact that it's a meme and nothing to do with reality. That facilitates its spread enormously. That the author thinks Miranda rights are somehow part of an arrest procedure, let alone a mandatory part, is a testament to the fact that he doesn't know the first thing about them, it's not something that actually happens in his country of origin, and not something that he has so much as spent twenty seconds on Wikipedia researching. It's quite obviously a convenient meme he overheard on the TV somewhere.
– RegDwigýt♦
1 hour ago
Do bear in mind that at least a couple of the popular "British" detective series are written by Americans.
– Hot Licks
1 hour ago
Do bear in mind that at least a couple of the popular "British" detective series are written by Americans.
– Hot Licks
1 hour ago
@hotlicks - Yes, I'm familiar with that phenomenon (-: but this author is definitely a "native".
– Jim Mack
7 mins ago
@hotlicks - Yes, I'm familiar with that phenomenon (-: but this author is definitely a "native".
– Jim Mack
7 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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Much to my surprise, I did find at least one example:
"Miranda rights introduced in Scotland under sweeping new police powers" - Stirling News, UK
answered 3 hours ago
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Self Incrimination laws aka Miranda
The Right to Remain Silent Around the World Fed. of Am Scientists
“The warnings specified in the surveyed jurisdictions vary, but
typically include the right to remain silent and the right to legal
counsel. A number of countries also specify that a person who is
arrested or detained has the right to be informed of the reasons for
the arrest or detention or of the charges being brought,†the study
said
Miranda type laws are now in 108 countries other than America.
This EU Observer article (2010) talks of Miranda types laws in Europe:
Brussels wants US-style 'Miranda rights' across Europe
Did Miranda cross the Atlantic ... to degrees, YES.
answered 2 hours ago
lbf
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I think the questioner is asking about the use of the word "Miranda" to describe these laws outside of the USA.
– Mark Beadles
2 hours ago
@markbeadles - Yes, I'm aware that the laws/rights exist and are spreading. I was surprised only that the term "Miranda rights" was used so casually in a UK setting.
– Jim Mack
10 mins ago
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2 Answers
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
1
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Much to my surprise, I did find at least one example:
"Miranda rights introduced in Scotland under sweeping new police powers" - Stirling News, UK
answered 3 hours ago
Mark Beadles
18.8k25284
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Much to my surprise, I did find at least one example:
"Miranda rights introduced in Scotland under sweeping new police powers" - Stirling News, UK
answered 3 hours ago
Mark Beadles
18.8k25284
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Much to my surprise, I did find at least one example:
"Miranda rights introduced in Scotland under sweeping new police powers" - Stirling News, UK
answered 3 hours ago
Mark Beadles
18.8k25284
Much to my surprise, I did find at least one example:
"Miranda rights introduced in Scotland under sweeping new police powers" - Stirling News, UK
answered 3 hours ago
Mark Beadles
18.8k25284
answered 3 hours ago
Mark Beadles
18.8k25284
answered 3 hours ago
Mark Beadles
18.8k25284
answered 3 hours ago
Mark Beadles
18.8k25284
18.8k25284
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
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Self Incrimination laws aka Miranda
The Right to Remain Silent Around the World Fed. of Am Scientists
“The warnings specified in the surveyed jurisdictions vary, but
typically include the right to remain silent and the right to legal
counsel. A number of countries also specify that a person who is
arrested or detained has the right to be informed of the reasons for
the arrest or detention or of the charges being brought,†the study
said
Miranda type laws are now in 108 countries other than America.
This EU Observer article (2010) talks of Miranda types laws in Europe:
Brussels wants US-style 'Miranda rights' across Europe
Did Miranda cross the Atlantic ... to degrees, YES.
answered 2 hours ago
lbf
15.4k21559
2
I think the questioner is asking about the use of the word "Miranda" to describe these laws outside of the USA.
– Mark Beadles
2 hours ago
@markbeadles - Yes, I'm aware that the laws/rights exist and are spreading. I was surprised only that the term "Miranda rights" was used so casually in a UK setting.
– Jim Mack
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Self Incrimination laws aka Miranda
The Right to Remain Silent Around the World Fed. of Am Scientists
“The warnings specified in the surveyed jurisdictions vary, but
typically include the right to remain silent and the right to legal
counsel. A number of countries also specify that a person who is
arrested or detained has the right to be informed of the reasons for
the arrest or detention or of the charges being brought,†the study
said
Miranda type laws are now in 108 countries other than America.
This EU Observer article (2010) talks of Miranda types laws in Europe:
Brussels wants US-style 'Miranda rights' across Europe
Did Miranda cross the Atlantic ... to degrees, YES.
answered 2 hours ago
lbf
15.4k21559
2
I think the questioner is asking about the use of the word "Miranda" to describe these laws outside of the USA.
– Mark Beadles
2 hours ago
@markbeadles - Yes, I'm aware that the laws/rights exist and are spreading. I was surprised only that the term "Miranda rights" was used so casually in a UK setting.
– Jim Mack
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Self Incrimination laws aka Miranda
The Right to Remain Silent Around the World Fed. of Am Scientists
“The warnings specified in the surveyed jurisdictions vary, but
typically include the right to remain silent and the right to legal
counsel. A number of countries also specify that a person who is
arrested or detained has the right to be informed of the reasons for
the arrest or detention or of the charges being brought,†the study
said
Miranda type laws are now in 108 countries other than America.
This EU Observer article (2010) talks of Miranda types laws in Europe:
Brussels wants US-style 'Miranda rights' across Europe
Did Miranda cross the Atlantic ... to degrees, YES.
answered 2 hours ago
lbf
15.4k21559
Self Incrimination laws aka Miranda
The Right to Remain Silent Around the World Fed. of Am Scientists
“The warnings specified in the surveyed jurisdictions vary, but
typically include the right to remain silent and the right to legal
counsel. A number of countries also specify that a person who is
arrested or detained has the right to be informed of the reasons for
the arrest or detention or of the charges being brought,†the study
said
Miranda type laws are now in 108 countries other than America.
This EU Observer article (2010) talks of Miranda types laws in Europe:
Brussels wants US-style 'Miranda rights' across Europe
Did Miranda cross the Atlantic ... to degrees, YES.
answered 2 hours ago
lbf
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answered 2 hours ago
lbf
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answered 2 hours ago
lbf
15.4k21559
answered 2 hours ago
lbf
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I think the questioner is asking about the use of the word "Miranda" to describe these laws outside of the USA.
– Mark Beadles
2 hours ago
@markbeadles - Yes, I'm aware that the laws/rights exist and are spreading. I was surprised only that the term "Miranda rights" was used so casually in a UK setting.
– Jim Mack
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
2
I think the questioner is asking about the use of the word "Miranda" to describe these laws outside of the USA.
– Mark Beadles
2 hours ago
@markbeadles - Yes, I'm aware that the laws/rights exist and are spreading. I was surprised only that the term "Miranda rights" was used so casually in a UK setting.
– Jim Mack
10 mins ago
2
2
I think the questioner is asking about the use of the word "Miranda" to describe these laws outside of the USA.
– Mark Beadles
2 hours ago
I think the questioner is asking about the use of the word "Miranda" to describe these laws outside of the USA.
– Mark Beadles
2 hours ago
@markbeadles - Yes, I'm aware that the laws/rights exist and are spreading. I was surprised only that the term "Miranda rights" was used so casually in a UK setting.
– Jim Mack
10 mins ago
@markbeadles - Yes, I'm aware that the laws/rights exist and are spreading. I was surprised only that the term "Miranda rights" was used so casually in a UK setting.
– Jim Mack
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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Well yes it's a worldwide trope, precisely thanks to the fact that it's a meme and nothing to do with reality. That facilitates its spread enormously. That the author thinks Miranda rights are somehow part of an arrest procedure, let alone a mandatory part, is a testament to the fact that he doesn't know the first thing about them, it's not something that actually happens in his country of origin, and not something that he has so much as spent twenty seconds on Wikipedia researching. It's quite obviously a convenient meme he overheard on the TV somewhere.
– RegDwigýt♦
1 hour ago
Do bear in mind that at least a couple of the popular "British" detective series are written by Americans.
– Hot Licks
1 hour ago
@hotlicks - Yes, I'm familiar with that phenomenon (-: but this author is definitely a "native".
– Jim Mack
7 mins ago