Can targets see through Disguise Self/Seeming if they beat the investigation check?

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Given the consensus from my previous question, it appears that all Illusions conjured from this spell and Seeming can be seen through by the user, but not by outside viewers.



The two spells Disguise Self and Seeming both differ from traditional Illusion spells in that they contain no clause that causes the Illusions to "fade" or "become transparent".



Instead, successful Investigation checks allow viewers to "discern" and "become aware" that the target is disguised.



Can viewers beating the check literally see through the disguise? If a Half-Elf disguises their race to look like a Drow, does the viewer know their true race if their check beats the disguise, RAW?










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    I'm not sure that your previous question that only has one answer with 4 upvotes and 3 downvotes is a good example of consensus.
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  • Agreed - it could be worded differently. I wanted to acknowledge the similarities in the questions.
    – Nicbobo
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  • It might be best just to remove that and just give a related link to it in the comments.
    – NautArch
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Given the consensus from my previous question, it appears that all Illusions conjured from this spell and Seeming can be seen through by the user, but not by outside viewers.



The two spells Disguise Self and Seeming both differ from traditional Illusion spells in that they contain no clause that causes the Illusions to "fade" or "become transparent".



Instead, successful Investigation checks allow viewers to "discern" and "become aware" that the target is disguised.



Can viewers beating the check literally see through the disguise? If a Half-Elf disguises their race to look like a Drow, does the viewer know their true race if their check beats the disguise, RAW?










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    I'm not sure that your previous question that only has one answer with 4 upvotes and 3 downvotes is a good example of consensus.
    – NautArch
    1 hour ago











  • Agreed - it could be worded differently. I wanted to acknowledge the similarities in the questions.
    – Nicbobo
    39 mins ago










  • It might be best just to remove that and just give a related link to it in the comments.
    – NautArch
    34 mins ago












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Given the consensus from my previous question, it appears that all Illusions conjured from this spell and Seeming can be seen through by the user, but not by outside viewers.



The two spells Disguise Self and Seeming both differ from traditional Illusion spells in that they contain no clause that causes the Illusions to "fade" or "become transparent".



Instead, successful Investigation checks allow viewers to "discern" and "become aware" that the target is disguised.



Can viewers beating the check literally see through the disguise? If a Half-Elf disguises their race to look like a Drow, does the viewer know their true race if their check beats the disguise, RAW?










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Given the consensus from my previous question, it appears that all Illusions conjured from this spell and Seeming can be seen through by the user, but not by outside viewers.



The two spells Disguise Self and Seeming both differ from traditional Illusion spells in that they contain no clause that causes the Illusions to "fade" or "become transparent".



Instead, successful Investigation checks allow viewers to "discern" and "become aware" that the target is disguised.



Can viewers beating the check literally see through the disguise? If a Half-Elf disguises their race to look like a Drow, does the viewer know their true race if their check beats the disguise, RAW?







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  • 4




    I'm not sure that your previous question that only has one answer with 4 upvotes and 3 downvotes is a good example of consensus.
    – NautArch
    1 hour ago











  • Agreed - it could be worded differently. I wanted to acknowledge the similarities in the questions.
    – Nicbobo
    39 mins ago










  • It might be best just to remove that and just give a related link to it in the comments.
    – NautArch
    34 mins ago












  • 4




    I'm not sure that your previous question that only has one answer with 4 upvotes and 3 downvotes is a good example of consensus.
    – NautArch
    1 hour ago











  • Agreed - it could be worded differently. I wanted to acknowledge the similarities in the questions.
    – Nicbobo
    39 mins ago










  • It might be best just to remove that and just give a related link to it in the comments.
    – NautArch
    34 mins ago







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I'm not sure that your previous question that only has one answer with 4 upvotes and 3 downvotes is a good example of consensus.
– NautArch
1 hour ago





I'm not sure that your previous question that only has one answer with 4 upvotes and 3 downvotes is a good example of consensus.
– NautArch
1 hour ago













Agreed - it could be worded differently. I wanted to acknowledge the similarities in the questions.
– Nicbobo
39 mins ago




Agreed - it could be worded differently. I wanted to acknowledge the similarities in the questions.
– Nicbobo
39 mins ago












It might be best just to remove that and just give a related link to it in the comments.
– NautArch
34 mins ago




It might be best just to remove that and just give a related link to it in the comments.
– NautArch
34 mins ago










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Spells do exactly what they say:



Disguise self reads:




To discern that you are disguised, a creature can use its action to inspect your appearance and must succeed on an Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.




Seeming Says:




If it succeeds, it becomes aware that the target is disguised.




Both imply the success mean they know you are disguised, not necessarily what you look like under the illusion. The DM can rule what that means for your table.






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    Spells do exactly what they say:



    Disguise self reads:




    To discern that you are disguised, a creature can use its action to inspect your appearance and must succeed on an Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.




    Seeming Says:




    If it succeeds, it becomes aware that the target is disguised.




    Both imply the success mean they know you are disguised, not necessarily what you look like under the illusion. The DM can rule what that means for your table.






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      Spells do exactly what they say:



      Disguise self reads:




      To discern that you are disguised, a creature can use its action to inspect your appearance and must succeed on an Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.




      Seeming Says:




      If it succeeds, it becomes aware that the target is disguised.




      Both imply the success mean they know you are disguised, not necessarily what you look like under the illusion. The DM can rule what that means for your table.






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        Spells do exactly what they say:



        Disguise self reads:




        To discern that you are disguised, a creature can use its action to inspect your appearance and must succeed on an Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.




        Seeming Says:




        If it succeeds, it becomes aware that the target is disguised.




        Both imply the success mean they know you are disguised, not necessarily what you look like under the illusion. The DM can rule what that means for your table.






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        Spells do exactly what they say:



        Disguise self reads:




        To discern that you are disguised, a creature can use its action to inspect your appearance and must succeed on an Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.




        Seeming Says:




        If it succeeds, it becomes aware that the target is disguised.




        Both imply the success mean they know you are disguised, not necessarily what you look like under the illusion. The DM can rule what that means for your table.







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