Can fanfics be bestsellers?

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Fanfiction is somewhat of an uncharted territory, which few actual writers/critics take serious note of or are very enthusiastic about. It has been long asked and established whether publishing fanfics is even legally possible at all. Yes, it is possible as long as the work in question doesn't violate copyrights and the plot line isn't too dependent on the original novel it was inspired from. But has there been cases where works that count as fanfiction to some degree have been literally successful and turned out as bestsellers?



Of course, I understand that it isn't very fruitful or wise either for a budding writer to work in this genre. One will just be wasting their time and talent. I just want a list of the exceptional fanfic bestsellers that have managed to do reasonably.










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  • Where does "Grendel" fall as the story of Beowulf from the monster's perspective fall? Is that considered fanfic?
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Fanfiction is somewhat of an uncharted territory, which few actual writers/critics take serious note of or are very enthusiastic about. It has been long asked and established whether publishing fanfics is even legally possible at all. Yes, it is possible as long as the work in question doesn't violate copyrights and the plot line isn't too dependent on the original novel it was inspired from. But has there been cases where works that count as fanfiction to some degree have been literally successful and turned out as bestsellers?



Of course, I understand that it isn't very fruitful or wise either for a budding writer to work in this genre. One will just be wasting their time and talent. I just want a list of the exceptional fanfic bestsellers that have managed to do reasonably.










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  • Where does "Grendel" fall as the story of Beowulf from the monster's perspective fall? Is that considered fanfic?
    – J.D. Ray
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  • I don't know the work, sorry.
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Fanfiction is somewhat of an uncharted territory, which few actual writers/critics take serious note of or are very enthusiastic about. It has been long asked and established whether publishing fanfics is even legally possible at all. Yes, it is possible as long as the work in question doesn't violate copyrights and the plot line isn't too dependent on the original novel it was inspired from. But has there been cases where works that count as fanfiction to some degree have been literally successful and turned out as bestsellers?



Of course, I understand that it isn't very fruitful or wise either for a budding writer to work in this genre. One will just be wasting their time and talent. I just want a list of the exceptional fanfic bestsellers that have managed to do reasonably.










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Fanfiction is somewhat of an uncharted territory, which few actual writers/critics take serious note of or are very enthusiastic about. It has been long asked and established whether publishing fanfics is even legally possible at all. Yes, it is possible as long as the work in question doesn't violate copyrights and the plot line isn't too dependent on the original novel it was inspired from. But has there been cases where works that count as fanfiction to some degree have been literally successful and turned out as bestsellers?



Of course, I understand that it isn't very fruitful or wise either for a budding writer to work in this genre. One will just be wasting their time and talent. I just want a list of the exceptional fanfic bestsellers that have managed to do reasonably.







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  • Where does "Grendel" fall as the story of Beowulf from the monster's perspective fall? Is that considered fanfic?
    – J.D. Ray
    59 mins ago










  • I don't know the work, sorry.
    – J.D. Ray
    49 mins ago
















  • Where does "Grendel" fall as the story of Beowulf from the monster's perspective fall? Is that considered fanfic?
    – J.D. Ray
    59 mins ago










  • I don't know the work, sorry.
    – J.D. Ray
    49 mins ago















Where does "Grendel" fall as the story of Beowulf from the monster's perspective fall? Is that considered fanfic?
– J.D. Ray
59 mins ago




Where does "Grendel" fall as the story of Beowulf from the monster's perspective fall? Is that considered fanfic?
– J.D. Ray
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I don't know the work, sorry.
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I don't know the work, sorry.
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Why wouldn't it be possible?



Yes. Fifty Shades et al are Twilight fanfics. Note that you may have to reskin a work (change characters, names, settings, etc) to get far enough away from the original work.



Let's try this again: Is Sherlock Holmes on the BBC fanfic? Yup.






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For a while, Amazon ran a program called Kindle Worlds where writers could write "fanfic" within the world of subscribed authors (Hugh Howey's Wool series, for example) within certain original author-established parameters. I wrote and published a story in that system, and it sold better than I expected (several hundred copies, maybe), and I had, over the course of a few years, a couple hundred extra dollars. No bestseller, but I can see how one could come out of a situation like that.






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  • You could include that bit about Grendel as well, putting it along the lines of "Grendel could be seen as a fanfic and blah blah blah".
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The main obstacle to fanfics flooding the market is copyright. As long as the original author holds the copyright for their work, fanfics can only live as free stuff on the internet. (Or, as Kirk points out, they can be "reskinned", "retooled", so they're not obviously recognisable as fanfic. In which case, it all depends on how good your lawyers are compared to the lawyers of the original writer.) I personally think that making money off somebody else's work in this fashion is sort of stealing. Cervantes notably was extremely unhappy about someone publishing a Don Quixote fanfic, and went on to publish his own Don Quixote II, in which he mocked the fanifc. But such moral considerations are beside the point.



Once the copyright is over, the work you wanted to write fanfic about is either long forgotten, in which case the fanfic loses its point, or it's become a classic, in which case jusgement of your fanfic is going to be rather harsh: what can you, unknown modern writer, add to the time-honoured classic? Such works do exist, but are less common.



And then, when a work is old enough, it turns out that yes, you do have something to add to it. Enough time has passed that retelling the same story in a different way is now original, interesting, respected, literary. Once and Future King and Mists of Avalon are both Le Morte d'Arthur fanfics. Ursula Le Guin's Lavinia is an Aeneid fanfic. Except that at this point they are no longer called fanfics.



What differentiates your run-of-the-mill fanfic from works like Once and Future King or Wide Sargasso Sea that you mention, is that the former aim mostly at producing more of the same, with some measure of insert-fic and/or doing things to the original book's romances. Whereas works of the latter kind seek to engage with the source material, and using it, say something new, unique. In this fashion, they outgrow the "fanfic" definition.






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  • Incredibly thorough! +1
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Wide Sargasso Sea comes to mind.



It cannot exactly be considered a fanfic, given that it was a direct result of the writer's disagreement with Bronte's unflattering portrayal of a certain Creole character. Madwife Bertha of Jane Eyre is almost antagonistic, in the sense that it is one of the forces that hold the titular protagonist from fulfilling her dreams and hopes.



But it can certainly be called a "rip-off" (for the lack of a better word) of Jane Eyre, based on one of the central characters from the same. (The storyline doesn't rely too heavily on Jane Eyre though.) And it's a classic in that and can be thought of as a bestseller by extension. I don't suppose the messages and themes in it would have been too popular in those times and that they would have sold either. But it is not unheard of now and definitely critically acclaimed and a fine piece of work in my opinion, serving as an elegant response (or you could see it as a payback) to the subtle literary degradation of the Creole people.






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    Why wouldn't it be possible?



    Yes. Fifty Shades et al are Twilight fanfics. Note that you may have to reskin a work (change characters, names, settings, etc) to get far enough away from the original work.



    Let's try this again: Is Sherlock Holmes on the BBC fanfic? Yup.






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    Why wouldn't it be possible?



    Yes. Fifty Shades et al are Twilight fanfics. Note that you may have to reskin a work (change characters, names, settings, etc) to get far enough away from the original work.



    Let's try this again: Is Sherlock Holmes on the BBC fanfic? Yup.






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    Why wouldn't it be possible?



    Yes. Fifty Shades et al are Twilight fanfics. Note that you may have to reskin a work (change characters, names, settings, etc) to get far enough away from the original work.



    Let's try this again: Is Sherlock Holmes on the BBC fanfic? Yup.






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    Why wouldn't it be possible?



    Yes. Fifty Shades et al are Twilight fanfics. Note that you may have to reskin a work (change characters, names, settings, etc) to get far enough away from the original work.



    Let's try this again: Is Sherlock Holmes on the BBC fanfic? Yup.







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    • Thanks for such a quick response! What do you think of my own answer?
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    Thanks for such a quick response! What do you think of my own answer?
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    Thanks for such a quick response! What do you think of my own answer?
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    For a while, Amazon ran a program called Kindle Worlds where writers could write "fanfic" within the world of subscribed authors (Hugh Howey's Wool series, for example) within certain original author-established parameters. I wrote and published a story in that system, and it sold better than I expected (several hundred copies, maybe), and I had, over the course of a few years, a couple hundred extra dollars. No bestseller, but I can see how one could come out of a situation like that.






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    • Great! You got my +1 instantly.
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    • You could include that bit about Grendel as well, putting it along the lines of "Grendel could be seen as a fanfic and blah blah blah".
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    For a while, Amazon ran a program called Kindle Worlds where writers could write "fanfic" within the world of subscribed authors (Hugh Howey's Wool series, for example) within certain original author-established parameters. I wrote and published a story in that system, and it sold better than I expected (several hundred copies, maybe), and I had, over the course of a few years, a couple hundred extra dollars. No bestseller, but I can see how one could come out of a situation like that.






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    • Great! You got my +1 instantly.
      – Soha Farhin Pine
      45 mins ago










    • You could include that bit about Grendel as well, putting it along the lines of "Grendel could be seen as a fanfic and blah blah blah".
      – Soha Farhin Pine
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    For a while, Amazon ran a program called Kindle Worlds where writers could write "fanfic" within the world of subscribed authors (Hugh Howey's Wool series, for example) within certain original author-established parameters. I wrote and published a story in that system, and it sold better than I expected (several hundred copies, maybe), and I had, over the course of a few years, a couple hundred extra dollars. No bestseller, but I can see how one could come out of a situation like that.






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    For a while, Amazon ran a program called Kindle Worlds where writers could write "fanfic" within the world of subscribed authors (Hugh Howey's Wool series, for example) within certain original author-established parameters. I wrote and published a story in that system, and it sold better than I expected (several hundred copies, maybe), and I had, over the course of a few years, a couple hundred extra dollars. No bestseller, but I can see how one could come out of a situation like that.







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    • Great! You got my +1 instantly.
      – Soha Farhin Pine
      45 mins ago










    • You could include that bit about Grendel as well, putting it along the lines of "Grendel could be seen as a fanfic and blah blah blah".
      – Soha Farhin Pine
      44 mins ago

















    • Great! You got my +1 instantly.
      – Soha Farhin Pine
      45 mins ago










    • You could include that bit about Grendel as well, putting it along the lines of "Grendel could be seen as a fanfic and blah blah blah".
      – Soha Farhin Pine
      44 mins ago
















    Great! You got my +1 instantly.
    – Soha Farhin Pine
    45 mins ago




    Great! You got my +1 instantly.
    – Soha Farhin Pine
    45 mins ago












    You could include that bit about Grendel as well, putting it along the lines of "Grendel could be seen as a fanfic and blah blah blah".
    – Soha Farhin Pine
    44 mins ago





    You could include that bit about Grendel as well, putting it along the lines of "Grendel could be seen as a fanfic and blah blah blah".
    – Soha Farhin Pine
    44 mins ago











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    The main obstacle to fanfics flooding the market is copyright. As long as the original author holds the copyright for their work, fanfics can only live as free stuff on the internet. (Or, as Kirk points out, they can be "reskinned", "retooled", so they're not obviously recognisable as fanfic. In which case, it all depends on how good your lawyers are compared to the lawyers of the original writer.) I personally think that making money off somebody else's work in this fashion is sort of stealing. Cervantes notably was extremely unhappy about someone publishing a Don Quixote fanfic, and went on to publish his own Don Quixote II, in which he mocked the fanifc. But such moral considerations are beside the point.



    Once the copyright is over, the work you wanted to write fanfic about is either long forgotten, in which case the fanfic loses its point, or it's become a classic, in which case jusgement of your fanfic is going to be rather harsh: what can you, unknown modern writer, add to the time-honoured classic? Such works do exist, but are less common.



    And then, when a work is old enough, it turns out that yes, you do have something to add to it. Enough time has passed that retelling the same story in a different way is now original, interesting, respected, literary. Once and Future King and Mists of Avalon are both Le Morte d'Arthur fanfics. Ursula Le Guin's Lavinia is an Aeneid fanfic. Except that at this point they are no longer called fanfics.



    What differentiates your run-of-the-mill fanfic from works like Once and Future King or Wide Sargasso Sea that you mention, is that the former aim mostly at producing more of the same, with some measure of insert-fic and/or doing things to the original book's romances. Whereas works of the latter kind seek to engage with the source material, and using it, say something new, unique. In this fashion, they outgrow the "fanfic" definition.






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    • Incredibly thorough! +1
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    • I'd give you +1+1 if it were possible, for the reference to Cervantes and his fury over some other mug publishing a Don Quixote tale.
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    The main obstacle to fanfics flooding the market is copyright. As long as the original author holds the copyright for their work, fanfics can only live as free stuff on the internet. (Or, as Kirk points out, they can be "reskinned", "retooled", so they're not obviously recognisable as fanfic. In which case, it all depends on how good your lawyers are compared to the lawyers of the original writer.) I personally think that making money off somebody else's work in this fashion is sort of stealing. Cervantes notably was extremely unhappy about someone publishing a Don Quixote fanfic, and went on to publish his own Don Quixote II, in which he mocked the fanifc. But such moral considerations are beside the point.



    Once the copyright is over, the work you wanted to write fanfic about is either long forgotten, in which case the fanfic loses its point, or it's become a classic, in which case jusgement of your fanfic is going to be rather harsh: what can you, unknown modern writer, add to the time-honoured classic? Such works do exist, but are less common.



    And then, when a work is old enough, it turns out that yes, you do have something to add to it. Enough time has passed that retelling the same story in a different way is now original, interesting, respected, literary. Once and Future King and Mists of Avalon are both Le Morte d'Arthur fanfics. Ursula Le Guin's Lavinia is an Aeneid fanfic. Except that at this point they are no longer called fanfics.



    What differentiates your run-of-the-mill fanfic from works like Once and Future King or Wide Sargasso Sea that you mention, is that the former aim mostly at producing more of the same, with some measure of insert-fic and/or doing things to the original book's romances. Whereas works of the latter kind seek to engage with the source material, and using it, say something new, unique. In this fashion, they outgrow the "fanfic" definition.






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    • Incredibly thorough! +1
      – Soha Farhin Pine
      27 mins ago











    • I'd give you +1+1 if it were possible, for the reference to Cervantes and his fury over some other mug publishing a Don Quixote tale.
      – Chappo
      15 mins ago












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    The main obstacle to fanfics flooding the market is copyright. As long as the original author holds the copyright for their work, fanfics can only live as free stuff on the internet. (Or, as Kirk points out, they can be "reskinned", "retooled", so they're not obviously recognisable as fanfic. In which case, it all depends on how good your lawyers are compared to the lawyers of the original writer.) I personally think that making money off somebody else's work in this fashion is sort of stealing. Cervantes notably was extremely unhappy about someone publishing a Don Quixote fanfic, and went on to publish his own Don Quixote II, in which he mocked the fanifc. But such moral considerations are beside the point.



    Once the copyright is over, the work you wanted to write fanfic about is either long forgotten, in which case the fanfic loses its point, or it's become a classic, in which case jusgement of your fanfic is going to be rather harsh: what can you, unknown modern writer, add to the time-honoured classic? Such works do exist, but are less common.



    And then, when a work is old enough, it turns out that yes, you do have something to add to it. Enough time has passed that retelling the same story in a different way is now original, interesting, respected, literary. Once and Future King and Mists of Avalon are both Le Morte d'Arthur fanfics. Ursula Le Guin's Lavinia is an Aeneid fanfic. Except that at this point they are no longer called fanfics.



    What differentiates your run-of-the-mill fanfic from works like Once and Future King or Wide Sargasso Sea that you mention, is that the former aim mostly at producing more of the same, with some measure of insert-fic and/or doing things to the original book's romances. Whereas works of the latter kind seek to engage with the source material, and using it, say something new, unique. In this fashion, they outgrow the "fanfic" definition.






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    The main obstacle to fanfics flooding the market is copyright. As long as the original author holds the copyright for their work, fanfics can only live as free stuff on the internet. (Or, as Kirk points out, they can be "reskinned", "retooled", so they're not obviously recognisable as fanfic. In which case, it all depends on how good your lawyers are compared to the lawyers of the original writer.) I personally think that making money off somebody else's work in this fashion is sort of stealing. Cervantes notably was extremely unhappy about someone publishing a Don Quixote fanfic, and went on to publish his own Don Quixote II, in which he mocked the fanifc. But such moral considerations are beside the point.



    Once the copyright is over, the work you wanted to write fanfic about is either long forgotten, in which case the fanfic loses its point, or it's become a classic, in which case jusgement of your fanfic is going to be rather harsh: what can you, unknown modern writer, add to the time-honoured classic? Such works do exist, but are less common.



    And then, when a work is old enough, it turns out that yes, you do have something to add to it. Enough time has passed that retelling the same story in a different way is now original, interesting, respected, literary. Once and Future King and Mists of Avalon are both Le Morte d'Arthur fanfics. Ursula Le Guin's Lavinia is an Aeneid fanfic. Except that at this point they are no longer called fanfics.



    What differentiates your run-of-the-mill fanfic from works like Once and Future King or Wide Sargasso Sea that you mention, is that the former aim mostly at producing more of the same, with some measure of insert-fic and/or doing things to the original book's romances. Whereas works of the latter kind seek to engage with the source material, and using it, say something new, unique. In this fashion, they outgrow the "fanfic" definition.







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    • Incredibly thorough! +1
      – Soha Farhin Pine
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    • I'd give you +1+1 if it were possible, for the reference to Cervantes and his fury over some other mug publishing a Don Quixote tale.
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    • Incredibly thorough! +1
      – Soha Farhin Pine
      27 mins ago











    • I'd give you +1+1 if it were possible, for the reference to Cervantes and his fury over some other mug publishing a Don Quixote tale.
      – Chappo
      15 mins ago















    Incredibly thorough! +1
    – Soha Farhin Pine
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    Incredibly thorough! +1
    – Soha Farhin Pine
    27 mins ago













    I'd give you +1+1 if it were possible, for the reference to Cervantes and his fury over some other mug publishing a Don Quixote tale.
    – Chappo
    15 mins ago




    I'd give you +1+1 if it were possible, for the reference to Cervantes and his fury over some other mug publishing a Don Quixote tale.
    – Chappo
    15 mins ago










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    Wide Sargasso Sea comes to mind.



    It cannot exactly be considered a fanfic, given that it was a direct result of the writer's disagreement with Bronte's unflattering portrayal of a certain Creole character. Madwife Bertha of Jane Eyre is almost antagonistic, in the sense that it is one of the forces that hold the titular protagonist from fulfilling her dreams and hopes.



    But it can certainly be called a "rip-off" (for the lack of a better word) of Jane Eyre, based on one of the central characters from the same. (The storyline doesn't rely too heavily on Jane Eyre though.) And it's a classic in that and can be thought of as a bestseller by extension. I don't suppose the messages and themes in it would have been too popular in those times and that they would have sold either. But it is not unheard of now and definitely critically acclaimed and a fine piece of work in my opinion, serving as an elegant response (or you could see it as a payback) to the subtle literary degradation of the Creole people.






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      Wide Sargasso Sea comes to mind.



      It cannot exactly be considered a fanfic, given that it was a direct result of the writer's disagreement with Bronte's unflattering portrayal of a certain Creole character. Madwife Bertha of Jane Eyre is almost antagonistic, in the sense that it is one of the forces that hold the titular protagonist from fulfilling her dreams and hopes.



      But it can certainly be called a "rip-off" (for the lack of a better word) of Jane Eyre, based on one of the central characters from the same. (The storyline doesn't rely too heavily on Jane Eyre though.) And it's a classic in that and can be thought of as a bestseller by extension. I don't suppose the messages and themes in it would have been too popular in those times and that they would have sold either. But it is not unheard of now and definitely critically acclaimed and a fine piece of work in my opinion, serving as an elegant response (or you could see it as a payback) to the subtle literary degradation of the Creole people.






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        Wide Sargasso Sea comes to mind.



        It cannot exactly be considered a fanfic, given that it was a direct result of the writer's disagreement with Bronte's unflattering portrayal of a certain Creole character. Madwife Bertha of Jane Eyre is almost antagonistic, in the sense that it is one of the forces that hold the titular protagonist from fulfilling her dreams and hopes.



        But it can certainly be called a "rip-off" (for the lack of a better word) of Jane Eyre, based on one of the central characters from the same. (The storyline doesn't rely too heavily on Jane Eyre though.) And it's a classic in that and can be thought of as a bestseller by extension. I don't suppose the messages and themes in it would have been too popular in those times and that they would have sold either. But it is not unheard of now and definitely critically acclaimed and a fine piece of work in my opinion, serving as an elegant response (or you could see it as a payback) to the subtle literary degradation of the Creole people.






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        Wide Sargasso Sea comes to mind.



        It cannot exactly be considered a fanfic, given that it was a direct result of the writer's disagreement with Bronte's unflattering portrayal of a certain Creole character. Madwife Bertha of Jane Eyre is almost antagonistic, in the sense that it is one of the forces that hold the titular protagonist from fulfilling her dreams and hopes.



        But it can certainly be called a "rip-off" (for the lack of a better word) of Jane Eyre, based on one of the central characters from the same. (The storyline doesn't rely too heavily on Jane Eyre though.) And it's a classic in that and can be thought of as a bestseller by extension. I don't suppose the messages and themes in it would have been too popular in those times and that they would have sold either. But it is not unheard of now and definitely critically acclaimed and a fine piece of work in my opinion, serving as an elegant response (or you could see it as a payback) to the subtle literary degradation of the Creole people.







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