Hölder continuity for operators

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Let $x,y$ be positive real numbers then
$$|sqrtx-sqrty|=dfracsqrtx+sqrty=sqrtcdot dfracsqrtsqrtx+sqrtyleq 1cdot |x-y|^frac12$$



we obtain $1/2$-Hölder continuity for the square-root.



I would like to know if $x,y$ are positive Hilbert-Schmidt operators. Does it follow then that for some $C>0$



$$leftlVert sqrtx-sqrty rightrVert_HS le C leftlVert x-yrightrVert_HS^frac12.$$



Sounds natural, but on the other hand, it is less obvious to me how this should follow.



One remark however is that if it would hold for finite-rank operators, then a density argument yields the claim.










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    Let $x,y$ be positive real numbers then
    $$|sqrtx-sqrty|=dfracsqrtx+sqrty=sqrtcdot dfracsqrtsqrtx+sqrtyleq 1cdot |x-y|^frac12$$



    we obtain $1/2$-Hölder continuity for the square-root.



    I would like to know if $x,y$ are positive Hilbert-Schmidt operators. Does it follow then that for some $C>0$



    $$leftlVert sqrtx-sqrty rightrVert_HS le C leftlVert x-yrightrVert_HS^frac12.$$



    Sounds natural, but on the other hand, it is less obvious to me how this should follow.



    One remark however is that if it would hold for finite-rank operators, then a density argument yields the claim.










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      Let $x,y$ be positive real numbers then
      $$|sqrtx-sqrty|=dfracsqrtx+sqrty=sqrtcdot dfracsqrtsqrtx+sqrtyleq 1cdot |x-y|^frac12$$



      we obtain $1/2$-Hölder continuity for the square-root.



      I would like to know if $x,y$ are positive Hilbert-Schmidt operators. Does it follow then that for some $C>0$



      $$leftlVert sqrtx-sqrty rightrVert_HS le C leftlVert x-yrightrVert_HS^frac12.$$



      Sounds natural, but on the other hand, it is less obvious to me how this should follow.



      One remark however is that if it would hold for finite-rank operators, then a density argument yields the claim.










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      Let $x,y$ be positive real numbers then
      $$|sqrtx-sqrty|=dfracsqrtx+sqrty=sqrtcdot dfracsqrtsqrtx+sqrtyleq 1cdot |x-y|^frac12$$



      we obtain $1/2$-Hölder continuity for the square-root.



      I would like to know if $x,y$ are positive Hilbert-Schmidt operators. Does it follow then that for some $C>0$



      $$leftlVert sqrtx-sqrty rightrVert_HS le C leftlVert x-yrightrVert_HS^frac12.$$



      Sounds natural, but on the other hand, it is less obvious to me how this should follow.



      One remark however is that if it would hold for finite-rank operators, then a density argument yields the claim.







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          Your proposed inequality doesn't even work on diagonal matrices. Let $xinmathbb M_n$ be diagonal with entries $x_igeq 0$. Then $x^1/2$ is diagonal with entries $sqrtx_i$. Thus
          $$ |x^1/2|_HS^2 = sum_i x_i, qquad
          |x|_HS = Big( sum_i x_i^2 Big)^1/2. $$
          Taking e.g. $x_i=1/sqrt n$ we obtain $n/sqrt n leq C^2$ so $Cgeq n^1/4$.



          The Powers-Stormer inequality (see section 4 of https://projecteuclid.org/euclid.cmp/1103842028) says that
          $$ |x^1/2 - y^1/2|_HS^2 leq |x - y|_1 $$
          for all $x,y$ positive and Hilbert Schmidt. Here $|cdot|_1$ is the trace-class norm (which takes the value $infty$ if $x-y$ is not trace-class).



          In finite-dimensions, we have that $|x|_1 leq n^1/2 |x|_HS$ (reduce to the diagonal case and apply Cauchy-Schwarz) and so we see that $C=n^1/4$ works in general.






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            For the Hilbert-Schmidt norm, the inequality $|X^1/2-Y^1/2|_2 le C|X-Y|_2^1/2$ is false in general. Consider for that the case of $ntimes n$ positive definite matrices. Put e.g., $Y=0$, then asking for a $C>0$ amounts to requiring
            beginequation*
            texttr,X le C'sqrttexttr,X^2
            endequation*
            which in general cannot hold for a constant independent of the dimension of $X$.



            However, for all positive operators $X$ and $Y$, and for any unitarily invariant norm $|!|!| cdot |!|!|$
            beginequation*
            |!|!|X^p - Y^p|!|!| le |!|!| |X-Y|^p |!|!|,quad 0 le p le 1.
            endequation*
            Thus, in particular for the operator norm, this inequality implies $p$-Hölder continuity (with $C=1$).






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              Seems like both Matthew and I were typing at the same time; the counterexample is exactly based on the same idea too!
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            Your proposed inequality doesn't even work on diagonal matrices. Let $xinmathbb M_n$ be diagonal with entries $x_igeq 0$. Then $x^1/2$ is diagonal with entries $sqrtx_i$. Thus
            $$ |x^1/2|_HS^2 = sum_i x_i, qquad
            |x|_HS = Big( sum_i x_i^2 Big)^1/2. $$
            Taking e.g. $x_i=1/sqrt n$ we obtain $n/sqrt n leq C^2$ so $Cgeq n^1/4$.



            The Powers-Stormer inequality (see section 4 of https://projecteuclid.org/euclid.cmp/1103842028) says that
            $$ |x^1/2 - y^1/2|_HS^2 leq |x - y|_1 $$
            for all $x,y$ positive and Hilbert Schmidt. Here $|cdot|_1$ is the trace-class norm (which takes the value $infty$ if $x-y$ is not trace-class).



            In finite-dimensions, we have that $|x|_1 leq n^1/2 |x|_HS$ (reduce to the diagonal case and apply Cauchy-Schwarz) and so we see that $C=n^1/4$ works in general.






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              Your proposed inequality doesn't even work on diagonal matrices. Let $xinmathbb M_n$ be diagonal with entries $x_igeq 0$. Then $x^1/2$ is diagonal with entries $sqrtx_i$. Thus
              $$ |x^1/2|_HS^2 = sum_i x_i, qquad
              |x|_HS = Big( sum_i x_i^2 Big)^1/2. $$
              Taking e.g. $x_i=1/sqrt n$ we obtain $n/sqrt n leq C^2$ so $Cgeq n^1/4$.



              The Powers-Stormer inequality (see section 4 of https://projecteuclid.org/euclid.cmp/1103842028) says that
              $$ |x^1/2 - y^1/2|_HS^2 leq |x - y|_1 $$
              for all $x,y$ positive and Hilbert Schmidt. Here $|cdot|_1$ is the trace-class norm (which takes the value $infty$ if $x-y$ is not trace-class).



              In finite-dimensions, we have that $|x|_1 leq n^1/2 |x|_HS$ (reduce to the diagonal case and apply Cauchy-Schwarz) and so we see that $C=n^1/4$ works in general.






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                Your proposed inequality doesn't even work on diagonal matrices. Let $xinmathbb M_n$ be diagonal with entries $x_igeq 0$. Then $x^1/2$ is diagonal with entries $sqrtx_i$. Thus
                $$ |x^1/2|_HS^2 = sum_i x_i, qquad
                |x|_HS = Big( sum_i x_i^2 Big)^1/2. $$
                Taking e.g. $x_i=1/sqrt n$ we obtain $n/sqrt n leq C^2$ so $Cgeq n^1/4$.



                The Powers-Stormer inequality (see section 4 of https://projecteuclid.org/euclid.cmp/1103842028) says that
                $$ |x^1/2 - y^1/2|_HS^2 leq |x - y|_1 $$
                for all $x,y$ positive and Hilbert Schmidt. Here $|cdot|_1$ is the trace-class norm (which takes the value $infty$ if $x-y$ is not trace-class).



                In finite-dimensions, we have that $|x|_1 leq n^1/2 |x|_HS$ (reduce to the diagonal case and apply Cauchy-Schwarz) and so we see that $C=n^1/4$ works in general.






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                Your proposed inequality doesn't even work on diagonal matrices. Let $xinmathbb M_n$ be diagonal with entries $x_igeq 0$. Then $x^1/2$ is diagonal with entries $sqrtx_i$. Thus
                $$ |x^1/2|_HS^2 = sum_i x_i, qquad
                |x|_HS = Big( sum_i x_i^2 Big)^1/2. $$
                Taking e.g. $x_i=1/sqrt n$ we obtain $n/sqrt n leq C^2$ so $Cgeq n^1/4$.



                The Powers-Stormer inequality (see section 4 of https://projecteuclid.org/euclid.cmp/1103842028) says that
                $$ |x^1/2 - y^1/2|_HS^2 leq |x - y|_1 $$
                for all $x,y$ positive and Hilbert Schmidt. Here $|cdot|_1$ is the trace-class norm (which takes the value $infty$ if $x-y$ is not trace-class).



                In finite-dimensions, we have that $|x|_1 leq n^1/2 |x|_HS$ (reduce to the diagonal case and apply Cauchy-Schwarz) and so we see that $C=n^1/4$ works in general.







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                    For the Hilbert-Schmidt norm, the inequality $|X^1/2-Y^1/2|_2 le C|X-Y|_2^1/2$ is false in general. Consider for that the case of $ntimes n$ positive definite matrices. Put e.g., $Y=0$, then asking for a $C>0$ amounts to requiring
                    beginequation*
                    texttr,X le C'sqrttexttr,X^2
                    endequation*
                    which in general cannot hold for a constant independent of the dimension of $X$.



                    However, for all positive operators $X$ and $Y$, and for any unitarily invariant norm $|!|!| cdot |!|!|$
                    beginequation*
                    |!|!|X^p - Y^p|!|!| le |!|!| |X-Y|^p |!|!|,quad 0 le p le 1.
                    endequation*
                    Thus, in particular for the operator norm, this inequality implies $p$-Hölder continuity (with $C=1$).






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                      Seems like both Matthew and I were typing at the same time; the counterexample is exactly based on the same idea too!
                      – Suvrit
                      Aug 11 at 13:36














                    up vote
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                    For the Hilbert-Schmidt norm, the inequality $|X^1/2-Y^1/2|_2 le C|X-Y|_2^1/2$ is false in general. Consider for that the case of $ntimes n$ positive definite matrices. Put e.g., $Y=0$, then asking for a $C>0$ amounts to requiring
                    beginequation*
                    texttr,X le C'sqrttexttr,X^2
                    endequation*
                    which in general cannot hold for a constant independent of the dimension of $X$.



                    However, for all positive operators $X$ and $Y$, and for any unitarily invariant norm $|!|!| cdot |!|!|$
                    beginequation*
                    |!|!|X^p - Y^p|!|!| le |!|!| |X-Y|^p |!|!|,quad 0 le p le 1.
                    endequation*
                    Thus, in particular for the operator norm, this inequality implies $p$-Hölder continuity (with $C=1$).






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                    • 3




                      Seems like both Matthew and I were typing at the same time; the counterexample is exactly based on the same idea too!
                      – Suvrit
                      Aug 11 at 13:36












                    up vote
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                    up vote
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                    For the Hilbert-Schmidt norm, the inequality $|X^1/2-Y^1/2|_2 le C|X-Y|_2^1/2$ is false in general. Consider for that the case of $ntimes n$ positive definite matrices. Put e.g., $Y=0$, then asking for a $C>0$ amounts to requiring
                    beginequation*
                    texttr,X le C'sqrttexttr,X^2
                    endequation*
                    which in general cannot hold for a constant independent of the dimension of $X$.



                    However, for all positive operators $X$ and $Y$, and for any unitarily invariant norm $|!|!| cdot |!|!|$
                    beginequation*
                    |!|!|X^p - Y^p|!|!| le |!|!| |X-Y|^p |!|!|,quad 0 le p le 1.
                    endequation*
                    Thus, in particular for the operator norm, this inequality implies $p$-Hölder continuity (with $C=1$).






                    share|cite|improve this answer












                    For the Hilbert-Schmidt norm, the inequality $|X^1/2-Y^1/2|_2 le C|X-Y|_2^1/2$ is false in general. Consider for that the case of $ntimes n$ positive definite matrices. Put e.g., $Y=0$, then asking for a $C>0$ amounts to requiring
                    beginequation*
                    texttr,X le C'sqrttexttr,X^2
                    endequation*
                    which in general cannot hold for a constant independent of the dimension of $X$.



                    However, for all positive operators $X$ and $Y$, and for any unitarily invariant norm $|!|!| cdot |!|!|$
                    beginequation*
                    |!|!|X^p - Y^p|!|!| le |!|!| |X-Y|^p |!|!|,quad 0 le p le 1.
                    endequation*
                    Thus, in particular for the operator norm, this inequality implies $p$-Hölder continuity (with $C=1$).







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                      Seems like both Matthew and I were typing at the same time; the counterexample is exactly based on the same idea too!
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                      Seems like both Matthew and I were typing at the same time; the counterexample is exactly based on the same idea too!
                      – Suvrit
                      Aug 11 at 13:36







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                    Seems like both Matthew and I were typing at the same time; the counterexample is exactly based on the same idea too!
                    – Suvrit
                    Aug 11 at 13:36




                    Seems like both Matthew and I were typing at the same time; the counterexample is exactly based on the same idea too!
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