Causes for a burned up flyback diode on a relay?

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I'm repairing a control board for a premium washing machine (model #s at bottom for anyone that's interested). The machine was displaying an error code for relay failure. I took the board out of circuit, injected voltage on the DC bus, and detected two shorted 1N4148 "T4" diodes, each in parallel to a 12v SPST-NO relay (marked with arrows below). I replaced them. Each relay switches one side of the water heating element (+ or -). I have not tested the repair yet, but the machine does work without issue with a substitute board.



Trying to figure out what may have caused the diodes to short?



Note: After repair
board



Machine: MHW6000X

Relays: Omron 12V G2RL-1A-E

Control Board: W10406607 / W10406604 (alternates, W10342325 / W10342327, W10388205, W10427972, W10384506, W10354088, W10406635)



I found these short diodes using isopropyl alcohol (99%) and a microscope (loupe or optivisor works for less $$). Here's a video from my microscope camera showing the alcohol



https://youtu.be/w-QVvYimghc



This is one of the larger "neighboring" diodes, MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. Same relay, so perhaps a strange bit of design here.



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    I'm repairing a control board for a premium washing machine (model #s at bottom for anyone that's interested). The machine was displaying an error code for relay failure. I took the board out of circuit, injected voltage on the DC bus, and detected two shorted 1N4148 "T4" diodes, each in parallel to a 12v SPST-NO relay (marked with arrows below). I replaced them. Each relay switches one side of the water heating element (+ or -). I have not tested the repair yet, but the machine does work without issue with a substitute board.



    Trying to figure out what may have caused the diodes to short?



    Note: After repair
    board



    Machine: MHW6000X

    Relays: Omron 12V G2RL-1A-E

    Control Board: W10406607 / W10406604 (alternates, W10342325 / W10342327, W10388205, W10427972, W10384506, W10354088, W10406635)



    I found these short diodes using isopropyl alcohol (99%) and a microscope (loupe or optivisor works for less $$). Here's a video from my microscope camera showing the alcohol



    https://youtu.be/w-QVvYimghc



    This is one of the larger "neighboring" diodes, MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. Same relay, so perhaps a strange bit of design here.



    neighboring diodes










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      I'm repairing a control board for a premium washing machine (model #s at bottom for anyone that's interested). The machine was displaying an error code for relay failure. I took the board out of circuit, injected voltage on the DC bus, and detected two shorted 1N4148 "T4" diodes, each in parallel to a 12v SPST-NO relay (marked with arrows below). I replaced them. Each relay switches one side of the water heating element (+ or -). I have not tested the repair yet, but the machine does work without issue with a substitute board.



      Trying to figure out what may have caused the diodes to short?



      Note: After repair
      board



      Machine: MHW6000X

      Relays: Omron 12V G2RL-1A-E

      Control Board: W10406607 / W10406604 (alternates, W10342325 / W10342327, W10388205, W10427972, W10384506, W10354088, W10406635)



      I found these short diodes using isopropyl alcohol (99%) and a microscope (loupe or optivisor works for less $$). Here's a video from my microscope camera showing the alcohol



      https://youtu.be/w-QVvYimghc



      This is one of the larger "neighboring" diodes, MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. Same relay, so perhaps a strange bit of design here.



      neighboring diodes










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      I'm repairing a control board for a premium washing machine (model #s at bottom for anyone that's interested). The machine was displaying an error code for relay failure. I took the board out of circuit, injected voltage on the DC bus, and detected two shorted 1N4148 "T4" diodes, each in parallel to a 12v SPST-NO relay (marked with arrows below). I replaced them. Each relay switches one side of the water heating element (+ or -). I have not tested the repair yet, but the machine does work without issue with a substitute board.



      Trying to figure out what may have caused the diodes to short?



      Note: After repair
      board



      Machine: MHW6000X

      Relays: Omron 12V G2RL-1A-E

      Control Board: W10406607 / W10406604 (alternates, W10342325 / W10342327, W10388205, W10427972, W10384506, W10354088, W10406635)



      I found these short diodes using isopropyl alcohol (99%) and a microscope (loupe or optivisor works for less $$). Here's a video from my microscope camera showing the alcohol



      https://youtu.be/w-QVvYimghc



      This is one of the larger "neighboring" diodes, MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. Same relay, so perhaps a strange bit of design here.



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          Figure 1. Relay datasheet extract.



          Checking the relay datasheet we find that the coil current should be about 33 mA. At the instant of switch-off the coil inductance will maintain that 33 mA through the flyback diodes.



          enter image description here



          Figure 2. Extract from the Vishay 1N4148 datasheet.



          Checking the Vishay (chosen at random) datasheet we see that 33 mA is well within specification.



          I would conclude that the designers did their job OK but that the purchasing department may have found some bargain diodes.




          Update for "T4" diodes:



          The Diodes Incorporated datasheet rates their diode at 250 mA continuous. That isn't the problem either.






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          • The relay current is also below the fullwave reftifier average current
            – Jasen
            Aug 11 at 8:11










          • I tend to believe this answer. Given how often consumer appliances fail for inane components, it's as if they WANT someone to buy whatever's available at the Shenzhen Market that day.
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 9:09

















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          Speculation:
          —



          • Improper hand solder temperature and duration.

          Perhaps they were hand soldered from fallout during wave solder with Relays due to proximity or installed later for some other reason.



          Although excess solder is not normally a bad thing , excess heat and duration >3seconds this close to the epoxy seal can be a cause for moisture ingress in the field.



          This is a Maytag washing machine probably next to a dryer so humidity in this area will be high and improperly soldered plastic parts will stress epoxy seals to fail their moisture barrier more rapidly.



          It can cause epoxy LEDs in the field to fail prematurely too as LED clear epoxy is easier for damaging the moisture seal when soldered less than 5mm from the base for >3s , otherwise <5s. Heat velocity is rapid <1s in these parts, but only 1mm/s on LED leadframes, so the epoxy can move(microscopic) when exposed to rapid thermal stress.



          I suggest you follow any hand-solder document for this plastic package or use 600’F irons and ensure soldering is <3s per lead with cool down after 1st lead.



          enter image description here



          You can see the right epoxy package has “popped a corn” or epoxy on the corner. This could be from a kernel of moisture and metal diffusion into the silicon causing the excess heat in the first place. (Or last time...)






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          • That looks like a good possibility. There seems to be more solder on those components than on the nearby ones. I wonder why they would have done that manually though? I've added a close-up for you.
            – Transistor
            Aug 11 at 8:34










          • That's a bit of flux I hadn't cleaned up after the repair. Great eye though, considering it was so far zoomed out! There wasn't any glue under it when I removed the didoes, so don't know if it was wave soldered. Good comments, especially on solder technique, thanks
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 9:06

















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          Look at the other two relays. There are much bigger diodes.

          So one reason could be that failed diodes are not suitable to it's task (too low current handling capability or too low reverse polarity voltage)






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          • what sort of diode burns up from an occasional 33mA pulse?
            – Jasen
            Aug 11 at 8:11










          • Good point! Those larger diodes are MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. I added a picture to the main post.
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 8:59










          • @Jasen I think there is a reason they put beefier diodes to the other two relays, don't you think? It is very suspicious they put different diodes to those relays.
            – Chupacabras
            Aug 11 at 10:07










          • could be that they're messing with PWM drive to the relay coil?
            – Jasen
            Aug 11 at 11:45










          • Can you expound on your last comment @Jasen?
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 21:26

















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          For what it's worth, there is anecdotal evidence about failures of glass 1N4148 diodes in this service (flyback diodes that fail shorted). Several of us have reported these failures over the years, with no real plausible explanation other than bad batches of parts. Since the failure is to short physical damage (eg. broken package) is less likely.



          For example, an exchange I (and others) had with Tony Williams (RIP) about 11 years ago on sci.electronics.design, which can be easily searched.



          The use of 1N4005 or M5 SMT diodes is probably not a bad idea.






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            enter image description here



            Figure 1. Relay datasheet extract.



            Checking the relay datasheet we find that the coil current should be about 33 mA. At the instant of switch-off the coil inductance will maintain that 33 mA through the flyback diodes.



            enter image description here



            Figure 2. Extract from the Vishay 1N4148 datasheet.



            Checking the Vishay (chosen at random) datasheet we see that 33 mA is well within specification.



            I would conclude that the designers did their job OK but that the purchasing department may have found some bargain diodes.




            Update for "T4" diodes:



            The Diodes Incorporated datasheet rates their diode at 250 mA continuous. That isn't the problem either.






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            • The relay current is also below the fullwave reftifier average current
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 8:11










            • I tend to believe this answer. Given how often consumer appliances fail for inane components, it's as if they WANT someone to buy whatever's available at the Shenzhen Market that day.
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 9:09














            up vote
            8
            down vote



            accepted










            enter image description here



            Figure 1. Relay datasheet extract.



            Checking the relay datasheet we find that the coil current should be about 33 mA. At the instant of switch-off the coil inductance will maintain that 33 mA through the flyback diodes.



            enter image description here



            Figure 2. Extract from the Vishay 1N4148 datasheet.



            Checking the Vishay (chosen at random) datasheet we see that 33 mA is well within specification.



            I would conclude that the designers did their job OK but that the purchasing department may have found some bargain diodes.




            Update for "T4" diodes:



            The Diodes Incorporated datasheet rates their diode at 250 mA continuous. That isn't the problem either.






            share|improve this answer






















            • The relay current is also below the fullwave reftifier average current
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 8:11










            • I tend to believe this answer. Given how often consumer appliances fail for inane components, it's as if they WANT someone to buy whatever's available at the Shenzhen Market that day.
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 9:09












            up vote
            8
            down vote



            accepted







            up vote
            8
            down vote



            accepted






            enter image description here



            Figure 1. Relay datasheet extract.



            Checking the relay datasheet we find that the coil current should be about 33 mA. At the instant of switch-off the coil inductance will maintain that 33 mA through the flyback diodes.



            enter image description here



            Figure 2. Extract from the Vishay 1N4148 datasheet.



            Checking the Vishay (chosen at random) datasheet we see that 33 mA is well within specification.



            I would conclude that the designers did their job OK but that the purchasing department may have found some bargain diodes.




            Update for "T4" diodes:



            The Diodes Incorporated datasheet rates their diode at 250 mA continuous. That isn't the problem either.






            share|improve this answer














            enter image description here



            Figure 1. Relay datasheet extract.



            Checking the relay datasheet we find that the coil current should be about 33 mA. At the instant of switch-off the coil inductance will maintain that 33 mA through the flyback diodes.



            enter image description here



            Figure 2. Extract from the Vishay 1N4148 datasheet.



            Checking the Vishay (chosen at random) datasheet we see that 33 mA is well within specification.



            I would conclude that the designers did their job OK but that the purchasing department may have found some bargain diodes.




            Update for "T4" diodes:



            The Diodes Incorporated datasheet rates their diode at 250 mA continuous. That isn't the problem either.







            share|improve this answer














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            • The relay current is also below the fullwave reftifier average current
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 8:11










            • I tend to believe this answer. Given how often consumer appliances fail for inane components, it's as if they WANT someone to buy whatever's available at the Shenzhen Market that day.
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 9:09
















            • The relay current is also below the fullwave reftifier average current
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 8:11










            • I tend to believe this answer. Given how often consumer appliances fail for inane components, it's as if they WANT someone to buy whatever's available at the Shenzhen Market that day.
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 9:09















            The relay current is also below the fullwave reftifier average current
            – Jasen
            Aug 11 at 8:11




            The relay current is also below the fullwave reftifier average current
            – Jasen
            Aug 11 at 8:11












            I tend to believe this answer. Given how often consumer appliances fail for inane components, it's as if they WANT someone to buy whatever's available at the Shenzhen Market that day.
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 9:09




            I tend to believe this answer. Given how often consumer appliances fail for inane components, it's as if they WANT someone to buy whatever's available at the Shenzhen Market that day.
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 9:09












            up vote
            5
            down vote













            Speculation:
            —



            • Improper hand solder temperature and duration.

            Perhaps they were hand soldered from fallout during wave solder with Relays due to proximity or installed later for some other reason.



            Although excess solder is not normally a bad thing , excess heat and duration >3seconds this close to the epoxy seal can be a cause for moisture ingress in the field.



            This is a Maytag washing machine probably next to a dryer so humidity in this area will be high and improperly soldered plastic parts will stress epoxy seals to fail their moisture barrier more rapidly.



            It can cause epoxy LEDs in the field to fail prematurely too as LED clear epoxy is easier for damaging the moisture seal when soldered less than 5mm from the base for >3s , otherwise <5s. Heat velocity is rapid <1s in these parts, but only 1mm/s on LED leadframes, so the epoxy can move(microscopic) when exposed to rapid thermal stress.



            I suggest you follow any hand-solder document for this plastic package or use 600’F irons and ensure soldering is <3s per lead with cool down after 1st lead.



            enter image description here



            You can see the right epoxy package has “popped a corn” or epoxy on the corner. This could be from a kernel of moisture and metal diffusion into the silicon causing the excess heat in the first place. (Or last time...)






            share|improve this answer






















            • That looks like a good possibility. There seems to be more solder on those components than on the nearby ones. I wonder why they would have done that manually though? I've added a close-up for you.
              – Transistor
              Aug 11 at 8:34










            • That's a bit of flux I hadn't cleaned up after the repair. Great eye though, considering it was so far zoomed out! There wasn't any glue under it when I removed the didoes, so don't know if it was wave soldered. Good comments, especially on solder technique, thanks
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 9:06














            up vote
            5
            down vote













            Speculation:
            —



            • Improper hand solder temperature and duration.

            Perhaps they were hand soldered from fallout during wave solder with Relays due to proximity or installed later for some other reason.



            Although excess solder is not normally a bad thing , excess heat and duration >3seconds this close to the epoxy seal can be a cause for moisture ingress in the field.



            This is a Maytag washing machine probably next to a dryer so humidity in this area will be high and improperly soldered plastic parts will stress epoxy seals to fail their moisture barrier more rapidly.



            It can cause epoxy LEDs in the field to fail prematurely too as LED clear epoxy is easier for damaging the moisture seal when soldered less than 5mm from the base for >3s , otherwise <5s. Heat velocity is rapid <1s in these parts, but only 1mm/s on LED leadframes, so the epoxy can move(microscopic) when exposed to rapid thermal stress.



            I suggest you follow any hand-solder document for this plastic package or use 600’F irons and ensure soldering is <3s per lead with cool down after 1st lead.



            enter image description here



            You can see the right epoxy package has “popped a corn” or epoxy on the corner. This could be from a kernel of moisture and metal diffusion into the silicon causing the excess heat in the first place. (Or last time...)






            share|improve this answer






















            • That looks like a good possibility. There seems to be more solder on those components than on the nearby ones. I wonder why they would have done that manually though? I've added a close-up for you.
              – Transistor
              Aug 11 at 8:34










            • That's a bit of flux I hadn't cleaned up after the repair. Great eye though, considering it was so far zoomed out! There wasn't any glue under it when I removed the didoes, so don't know if it was wave soldered. Good comments, especially on solder technique, thanks
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 9:06












            up vote
            5
            down vote










            up vote
            5
            down vote









            Speculation:
            —



            • Improper hand solder temperature and duration.

            Perhaps they were hand soldered from fallout during wave solder with Relays due to proximity or installed later for some other reason.



            Although excess solder is not normally a bad thing , excess heat and duration >3seconds this close to the epoxy seal can be a cause for moisture ingress in the field.



            This is a Maytag washing machine probably next to a dryer so humidity in this area will be high and improperly soldered plastic parts will stress epoxy seals to fail their moisture barrier more rapidly.



            It can cause epoxy LEDs in the field to fail prematurely too as LED clear epoxy is easier for damaging the moisture seal when soldered less than 5mm from the base for >3s , otherwise <5s. Heat velocity is rapid <1s in these parts, but only 1mm/s on LED leadframes, so the epoxy can move(microscopic) when exposed to rapid thermal stress.



            I suggest you follow any hand-solder document for this plastic package or use 600’F irons and ensure soldering is <3s per lead with cool down after 1st lead.



            enter image description here



            You can see the right epoxy package has “popped a corn” or epoxy on the corner. This could be from a kernel of moisture and metal diffusion into the silicon causing the excess heat in the first place. (Or last time...)






            share|improve this answer














            Speculation:
            —



            • Improper hand solder temperature and duration.

            Perhaps they were hand soldered from fallout during wave solder with Relays due to proximity or installed later for some other reason.



            Although excess solder is not normally a bad thing , excess heat and duration >3seconds this close to the epoxy seal can be a cause for moisture ingress in the field.



            This is a Maytag washing machine probably next to a dryer so humidity in this area will be high and improperly soldered plastic parts will stress epoxy seals to fail their moisture barrier more rapidly.



            It can cause epoxy LEDs in the field to fail prematurely too as LED clear epoxy is easier for damaging the moisture seal when soldered less than 5mm from the base for >3s , otherwise <5s. Heat velocity is rapid <1s in these parts, but only 1mm/s on LED leadframes, so the epoxy can move(microscopic) when exposed to rapid thermal stress.



            I suggest you follow any hand-solder document for this plastic package or use 600’F irons and ensure soldering is <3s per lead with cool down after 1st lead.



            enter image description here



            You can see the right epoxy package has “popped a corn” or epoxy on the corner. This could be from a kernel of moisture and metal diffusion into the silicon causing the excess heat in the first place. (Or last time...)







            share|improve this answer














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            answered Aug 11 at 8:23









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            • That looks like a good possibility. There seems to be more solder on those components than on the nearby ones. I wonder why they would have done that manually though? I've added a close-up for you.
              – Transistor
              Aug 11 at 8:34










            • That's a bit of flux I hadn't cleaned up after the repair. Great eye though, considering it was so far zoomed out! There wasn't any glue under it when I removed the didoes, so don't know if it was wave soldered. Good comments, especially on solder technique, thanks
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 9:06
















            • That looks like a good possibility. There seems to be more solder on those components than on the nearby ones. I wonder why they would have done that manually though? I've added a close-up for you.
              – Transistor
              Aug 11 at 8:34










            • That's a bit of flux I hadn't cleaned up after the repair. Great eye though, considering it was so far zoomed out! There wasn't any glue under it when I removed the didoes, so don't know if it was wave soldered. Good comments, especially on solder technique, thanks
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 9:06















            That looks like a good possibility. There seems to be more solder on those components than on the nearby ones. I wonder why they would have done that manually though? I've added a close-up for you.
            – Transistor
            Aug 11 at 8:34




            That looks like a good possibility. There seems to be more solder on those components than on the nearby ones. I wonder why they would have done that manually though? I've added a close-up for you.
            – Transistor
            Aug 11 at 8:34












            That's a bit of flux I hadn't cleaned up after the repair. Great eye though, considering it was so far zoomed out! There wasn't any glue under it when I removed the didoes, so don't know if it was wave soldered. Good comments, especially on solder technique, thanks
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 9:06




            That's a bit of flux I hadn't cleaned up after the repair. Great eye though, considering it was so far zoomed out! There wasn't any glue under it when I removed the didoes, so don't know if it was wave soldered. Good comments, especially on solder technique, thanks
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 9:06










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            Look at the other two relays. There are much bigger diodes.

            So one reason could be that failed diodes are not suitable to it's task (too low current handling capability or too low reverse polarity voltage)






            share|improve this answer




















            • what sort of diode burns up from an occasional 33mA pulse?
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 8:11










            • Good point! Those larger diodes are MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. I added a picture to the main post.
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 8:59










            • @Jasen I think there is a reason they put beefier diodes to the other two relays, don't you think? It is very suspicious they put different diodes to those relays.
              – Chupacabras
              Aug 11 at 10:07










            • could be that they're messing with PWM drive to the relay coil?
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 11:45










            • Can you expound on your last comment @Jasen?
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 21:26














            up vote
            4
            down vote













            Look at the other two relays. There are much bigger diodes.

            So one reason could be that failed diodes are not suitable to it's task (too low current handling capability or too low reverse polarity voltage)






            share|improve this answer




















            • what sort of diode burns up from an occasional 33mA pulse?
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 8:11










            • Good point! Those larger diodes are MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. I added a picture to the main post.
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 8:59










            • @Jasen I think there is a reason they put beefier diodes to the other two relays, don't you think? It is very suspicious they put different diodes to those relays.
              – Chupacabras
              Aug 11 at 10:07










            • could be that they're messing with PWM drive to the relay coil?
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 11:45










            • Can you expound on your last comment @Jasen?
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 21:26












            up vote
            4
            down vote










            up vote
            4
            down vote









            Look at the other two relays. There are much bigger diodes.

            So one reason could be that failed diodes are not suitable to it's task (too low current handling capability or too low reverse polarity voltage)






            share|improve this answer












            Look at the other two relays. There are much bigger diodes.

            So one reason could be that failed diodes are not suitable to it's task (too low current handling capability or too low reverse polarity voltage)







            share|improve this answer












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            • what sort of diode burns up from an occasional 33mA pulse?
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 8:11










            • Good point! Those larger diodes are MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. I added a picture to the main post.
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 8:59










            • @Jasen I think there is a reason they put beefier diodes to the other two relays, don't you think? It is very suspicious they put different diodes to those relays.
              – Chupacabras
              Aug 11 at 10:07










            • could be that they're messing with PWM drive to the relay coil?
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 11:45










            • Can you expound on your last comment @Jasen?
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 21:26
















            • what sort of diode burns up from an occasional 33mA pulse?
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 8:11










            • Good point! Those larger diodes are MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. I added a picture to the main post.
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 8:59










            • @Jasen I think there is a reason they put beefier diodes to the other two relays, don't you think? It is very suspicious they put different diodes to those relays.
              – Chupacabras
              Aug 11 at 10:07










            • could be that they're messing with PWM drive to the relay coil?
              – Jasen
              Aug 11 at 11:45










            • Can you expound on your last comment @Jasen?
              – Dan
              Aug 11 at 21:26















            what sort of diode burns up from an occasional 33mA pulse?
            – Jasen
            Aug 11 at 8:11




            what sort of diode burns up from an occasional 33mA pulse?
            – Jasen
            Aug 11 at 8:11












            Good point! Those larger diodes are MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. I added a picture to the main post.
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 8:59




            Good point! Those larger diodes are MURS160T3G "U1J" in SMB package. I added a picture to the main post.
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 8:59












            @Jasen I think there is a reason they put beefier diodes to the other two relays, don't you think? It is very suspicious they put different diodes to those relays.
            – Chupacabras
            Aug 11 at 10:07




            @Jasen I think there is a reason they put beefier diodes to the other two relays, don't you think? It is very suspicious they put different diodes to those relays.
            – Chupacabras
            Aug 11 at 10:07












            could be that they're messing with PWM drive to the relay coil?
            – Jasen
            Aug 11 at 11:45




            could be that they're messing with PWM drive to the relay coil?
            – Jasen
            Aug 11 at 11:45












            Can you expound on your last comment @Jasen?
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 21:26




            Can you expound on your last comment @Jasen?
            – Dan
            Aug 11 at 21:26










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            For what it's worth, there is anecdotal evidence about failures of glass 1N4148 diodes in this service (flyback diodes that fail shorted). Several of us have reported these failures over the years, with no real plausible explanation other than bad batches of parts. Since the failure is to short physical damage (eg. broken package) is less likely.



            For example, an exchange I (and others) had with Tony Williams (RIP) about 11 years ago on sci.electronics.design, which can be easily searched.



            The use of 1N4005 or M5 SMT diodes is probably not a bad idea.






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              For what it's worth, there is anecdotal evidence about failures of glass 1N4148 diodes in this service (flyback diodes that fail shorted). Several of us have reported these failures over the years, with no real plausible explanation other than bad batches of parts. Since the failure is to short physical damage (eg. broken package) is less likely.



              For example, an exchange I (and others) had with Tony Williams (RIP) about 11 years ago on sci.electronics.design, which can be easily searched.



              The use of 1N4005 or M5 SMT diodes is probably not a bad idea.






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                up vote
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                For what it's worth, there is anecdotal evidence about failures of glass 1N4148 diodes in this service (flyback diodes that fail shorted). Several of us have reported these failures over the years, with no real plausible explanation other than bad batches of parts. Since the failure is to short physical damage (eg. broken package) is less likely.



                For example, an exchange I (and others) had with Tony Williams (RIP) about 11 years ago on sci.electronics.design, which can be easily searched.



                The use of 1N4005 or M5 SMT diodes is probably not a bad idea.






                share|improve this answer












                For what it's worth, there is anecdotal evidence about failures of glass 1N4148 diodes in this service (flyback diodes that fail shorted). Several of us have reported these failures over the years, with no real plausible explanation other than bad batches of parts. Since the failure is to short physical damage (eg. broken package) is less likely.



                For example, an exchange I (and others) had with Tony Williams (RIP) about 11 years ago on sci.electronics.design, which can be easily searched.



                The use of 1N4005 or M5 SMT diodes is probably not a bad idea.







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