When are the material components for Forbiddance consumed?
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The components section for forbiddance says:
V, S, M (a sprinkling of holy water, rare incense, and powdered ruby worth at least 1,000 gp)
This does not explicitly state that the spell consumes them, which is the norm for spells that consume their material components.
However, the spell also states:
If you cast forbiddance every day for 30 days in the same location, the spell lasts until it is dispelled, and the material components are consumed on the last casting.
This got me wondering if this means the material components are only consumed at the end of a 30-day casting, or whenever you do not cast the spell in the same place the day after casting it last?
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The components section for forbiddance says:
V, S, M (a sprinkling of holy water, rare incense, and powdered ruby worth at least 1,000 gp)
This does not explicitly state that the spell consumes them, which is the norm for spells that consume their material components.
However, the spell also states:
If you cast forbiddance every day for 30 days in the same location, the spell lasts until it is dispelled, and the material components are consumed on the last casting.
This got me wondering if this means the material components are only consumed at the end of a 30-day casting, or whenever you do not cast the spell in the same place the day after casting it last?
dnd-5e spells spell-components
edited Feb 14 at 21:09
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A Very Large BearA Very Large Bear
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After the appetizer and before dessert
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The components section for forbiddance says:
V, S, M (a sprinkling of holy water, rare incense, and powdered ruby worth at least 1,000 gp)
This does not explicitly state that the spell consumes them, which is the norm for spells that consume their material components.
However, the spell also states:
If you cast forbiddance every day for 30 days in the same location, the spell lasts until it is dispelled, and the material components are consumed on the last casting.
This got me wondering if this means the material components are only consumed at the end of a 30-day casting, or whenever you do not cast the spell in the same place the day after casting it last?
dnd-5e spells spell-components
edited Feb 14 at 21:09
V2Blast
23.8k379150
asked Feb 14 at 18:55
A Very Large BearA Very Large Bear
1,593726
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The components section for forbiddance says:
V, S, M (a sprinkling of holy water, rare incense, and powdered ruby worth at least 1,000 gp)
This does not explicitly state that the spell consumes them, which is the norm for spells that consume their material components.
However, the spell also states:
If you cast forbiddance every day for 30 days in the same location, the spell lasts until it is dispelled, and the material components are consumed on the last casting.
This got me wondering if this means the material components are only consumed at the end of a 30-day casting, or whenever you do not cast the spell in the same place the day after casting it last?
dnd-5e spells spell-components
dnd-5e spells spell-components
edited Feb 14 at 21:09
V2Blast
23.8k379150
asked Feb 14 at 18:55
A Very Large BearA Very Large Bear
1,593726
edited Feb 14 at 21:09
V2Blast
23.8k379150
asked Feb 14 at 18:55
A Very Large BearA Very Large Bear
1,593726
edited Feb 14 at 21:09
V2Blast
23.8k379150
edited Feb 14 at 21:09
V2Blast
23.8k379150
edited Feb 14 at 21:09
V2Blast
23.8k379150
23.8k379150
asked Feb 14 at 18:55
A Very Large BearA Very Large Bear
1,593726
asked Feb 14 at 18:55
A Very Large BearA Very Large Bear
1,593726
asked Feb 14 at 18:55
A Very Large BearA Very Large Bear
1,593726
1,593726
1
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At the same time that the spell becomes permanent until dispelled.
Spell components are only consumed when explicitly stated.
If you cast forbiddance every day for 30 days in the same location, the spell lasts until it is dispelled, and the material components are consumed on the last casting.
bold = condition, italics = consequence
The wording is pretty clear - "If X, then Y and Z". X is casting it daily in the same location for 30 days, which leads to the spell becoming permanent and the material components being consumed.
If you don't cast forbiddance for the full 30 days and stop early, the components won't be consumed.
Sure, you can argue that the sentence is ambigous, but D&D 5e is not as logic-defying as previous editions sometimes are. It uses regular English language, and it wouldn't make any sense for the material components to be consumed before it becomes permanent. Otherwise, a single casting could be counted as progress towards 30 days - meaning that the components would always be consumed.
answered Feb 14 at 19:01
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The spell also clearly states that the components aren't consumed normally - only on the final casting for "permanence".
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– NautArch
Feb 14 at 19:34
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@NautArch no it doesn't. If it did clearly state that, this question wouldn't exist. I had the same question myself when I saw the spell linked from another answer today.
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– hobbs
Feb 14 at 21:32
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"If X, then (Y and Z)" or "(If X, then Y) and Z" - by simplifying it, you've made it more ambiguous than the original!
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At the same time that the spell becomes permanent until dispelled.
Spell components are only consumed when explicitly stated.
If you cast forbiddance every day for 30 days in the same location, the spell lasts until it is dispelled, and the material components are consumed on the last casting.
bold = condition, italics = consequence
The wording is pretty clear - "If X, then Y and Z". X is casting it daily in the same location for 30 days, which leads to the spell becoming permanent and the material components being consumed.
If you don't cast forbiddance for the full 30 days and stop early, the components won't be consumed.
Sure, you can argue that the sentence is ambigous, but D&D 5e is not as logic-defying as previous editions sometimes are. It uses regular English language, and it wouldn't make any sense for the material components to be consumed before it becomes permanent. Otherwise, a single casting could be counted as progress towards 30 days - meaning that the components would always be consumed.
answered Feb 14 at 19:01
PixelMasterPixelMaster
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The spell also clearly states that the components aren't consumed normally - only on the final casting for "permanence".
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– NautArch
Feb 14 at 19:34
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@NautArch no it doesn't. If it did clearly state that, this question wouldn't exist. I had the same question myself when I saw the spell linked from another answer today.
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– hobbs
Feb 14 at 21:32
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"If X, then (Y and Z)" or "(If X, then Y) and Z" - by simplifying it, you've made it more ambiguous than the original!
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– Nacht
Feb 14 at 22:57
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At the same time that the spell becomes permanent until dispelled.
Spell components are only consumed when explicitly stated.
If you cast forbiddance every day for 30 days in the same location, the spell lasts until it is dispelled, and the material components are consumed on the last casting.
bold = condition, italics = consequence
The wording is pretty clear - "If X, then Y and Z". X is casting it daily in the same location for 30 days, which leads to the spell becoming permanent and the material components being consumed.
If you don't cast forbiddance for the full 30 days and stop early, the components won't be consumed.
Sure, you can argue that the sentence is ambigous, but D&D 5e is not as logic-defying as previous editions sometimes are. It uses regular English language, and it wouldn't make any sense for the material components to be consumed before it becomes permanent. Otherwise, a single casting could be counted as progress towards 30 days - meaning that the components would always be consumed.
answered Feb 14 at 19:01
PixelMasterPixelMaster
11.2k244108
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The spell also clearly states that the components aren't consumed normally - only on the final casting for "permanence".
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– NautArch
Feb 14 at 19:34
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@NautArch no it doesn't. If it did clearly state that, this question wouldn't exist. I had the same question myself when I saw the spell linked from another answer today.
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– hobbs
Feb 14 at 21:32
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"If X, then (Y and Z)" or "(If X, then Y) and Z" - by simplifying it, you've made it more ambiguous than the original!
$endgroup$
– Nacht
Feb 14 at 22:57
add a comment |
$begingroup$
At the same time that the spell becomes permanent until dispelled.
Spell components are only consumed when explicitly stated.
If you cast forbiddance every day for 30 days in the same location, the spell lasts until it is dispelled, and the material components are consumed on the last casting.
bold = condition, italics = consequence
The wording is pretty clear - "If X, then Y and Z". X is casting it daily in the same location for 30 days, which leads to the spell becoming permanent and the material components being consumed.
If you don't cast forbiddance for the full 30 days and stop early, the components won't be consumed.
Sure, you can argue that the sentence is ambigous, but D&D 5e is not as logic-defying as previous editions sometimes are. It uses regular English language, and it wouldn't make any sense for the material components to be consumed before it becomes permanent. Otherwise, a single casting could be counted as progress towards 30 days - meaning that the components would always be consumed.
answered Feb 14 at 19:01
PixelMasterPixelMaster
11.2k244108
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At the same time that the spell becomes permanent until dispelled.
Spell components are only consumed when explicitly stated.
If you cast forbiddance every day for 30 days in the same location, the spell lasts until it is dispelled, and the material components are consumed on the last casting.
bold = condition, italics = consequence
The wording is pretty clear - "If X, then Y and Z". X is casting it daily in the same location for 30 days, which leads to the spell becoming permanent and the material components being consumed.
If you don't cast forbiddance for the full 30 days and stop early, the components won't be consumed.
Sure, you can argue that the sentence is ambigous, but D&D 5e is not as logic-defying as previous editions sometimes are. It uses regular English language, and it wouldn't make any sense for the material components to be consumed before it becomes permanent. Otherwise, a single casting could be counted as progress towards 30 days - meaning that the components would always be consumed.
answered Feb 14 at 19:01
PixelMasterPixelMaster
11.2k244108
answered Feb 14 at 19:01
PixelMasterPixelMaster
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answered Feb 14 at 19:01
PixelMasterPixelMaster
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answered Feb 14 at 19:01
PixelMasterPixelMaster
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11.2k244108
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The spell also clearly states that the components aren't consumed normally - only on the final casting for "permanence".
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– NautArch
Feb 14 at 19:34
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@NautArch no it doesn't. If it did clearly state that, this question wouldn't exist. I had the same question myself when I saw the spell linked from another answer today.
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– hobbs
Feb 14 at 21:32
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"If X, then (Y and Z)" or "(If X, then Y) and Z" - by simplifying it, you've made it more ambiguous than the original!
$endgroup$
– Nacht
Feb 14 at 22:57
add a comment |
1
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The spell also clearly states that the components aren't consumed normally - only on the final casting for "permanence".
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Feb 14 at 19:34
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@NautArch no it doesn't. If it did clearly state that, this question wouldn't exist. I had the same question myself when I saw the spell linked from another answer today.
$endgroup$
– hobbs
Feb 14 at 21:32
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"If X, then (Y and Z)" or "(If X, then Y) and Z" - by simplifying it, you've made it more ambiguous than the original!
$endgroup$
– Nacht
Feb 14 at 22:57
1
1
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The spell also clearly states that the components aren't consumed normally - only on the final casting for "permanence".
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Feb 14 at 19:34
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The spell also clearly states that the components aren't consumed normally - only on the final casting for "permanence".
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Feb 14 at 19:34
$begingroup$
@NautArch no it doesn't. If it did clearly state that, this question wouldn't exist. I had the same question myself when I saw the spell linked from another answer today.
$endgroup$
– hobbs
Feb 14 at 21:32
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@NautArch no it doesn't. If it did clearly state that, this question wouldn't exist. I had the same question myself when I saw the spell linked from another answer today.
$endgroup$
– hobbs
Feb 14 at 21:32
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"If X, then (Y and Z)" or "(If X, then Y) and Z" - by simplifying it, you've made it more ambiguous than the original!
$endgroup$
– Nacht
Feb 14 at 22:57
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"If X, then (Y and Z)" or "(If X, then Y) and Z" - by simplifying it, you've made it more ambiguous than the original!
$endgroup$
– Nacht
Feb 14 at 22:57
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