Does a concentrating caster damaged by Ice Knife require 2 concentration checks?
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Does a concentrating caster hit by Ice Knife require 2 concentration checks?
As the ice knife can to damage in two separate ways, with one defined to happen after the other, would a caster damaged by both need to make multiple concentrations checks?
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Does a concentrating caster hit by Ice Knife require 2 concentration checks?
As the ice knife can to damage in two separate ways, with one defined to happen after the other, would a caster damaged by both need to make multiple concentrations checks?
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Does a concentrating caster hit by Ice Knife require 2 concentration checks?
As the ice knife can to damage in two separate ways, with one defined to happen after the other, would a caster damaged by both need to make multiple concentrations checks?
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asked Jan 22 at 14:34
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Does a concentrating caster hit by Ice Knife require 2 concentration checks?
As the ice knife can to damage in two separate ways, with one defined to happen after the other, would a caster damaged by both need to make multiple concentrations checks?
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The caster would need to make up to two saves.
The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):
Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
Further, Jeremy Crawford has ruled that the Magic Missile spell provokes separate saves for each missile.
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
Since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.
This is supported by how and when we roll for damage. We roll damage as soon as we hit with an attack:
- Resolve the attack. You make the attack roll. On a hit, you roll damage...
So, we have the initial attack roll, for which we roll damage on a hit. THEN, we have an independent DEX save, which is a separate damaging event. We've already attempted to deal damage once, and now we attempt to do so a second time.
answered Jan 22 at 15:04
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How are two damage instances from a single spell not "from a single source"?
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The two damage events are discreet because one is checked on the attack roll and the other requires a separate saving throw, which happens independent of the attack roll. Jeremy Crawford mentions in his ruling for Magic Missile that each missile of that spell provokes separate rolls, and I would consider that spell significantly more ambiguous than Ice Knife
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You should add that explanation to your answer.
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– Darth Pseudonym
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You need to add the magic missile ruling to your answer. That definitely sways the argument in your favour (and away from mine)
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@CaptainMan that would be one thing (the sword) dealing damage, you just roll extra dice for the attack, and that much damage is of a different type than the rest. Spells like Flame Strike are also examples of this, where each successful hit results in Fire + Radiant damage from the same hit. What makes Ice Knife unique is there are two independent attempts to cause damage: 1) the attack roll, which may or may not hit and deal damage, and 2) the explosion and DEX save, which also may or may not deal damage. Both are distinct, hence two saves.
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Yes. Two saves may be required.
Two concentration saving throws are required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.
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The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.
The PHB p203 states:
If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
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Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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This answer would be improved if you could make a statement regarding the DC of the save.
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Flame Strike is an example of a spell that deals two different damage types and IS only one source of damage, but a spell like Eldritch Blast is also technically "one source," and deals one type of damage, but can have multiple attack rolls, and thus multiple damaging events, like Ice Knife. The types of damage are irrelevant, it's how the damage is dealt that matters.
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I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.
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The caster would need to make up to two saves.
The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):
Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
Further, Jeremy Crawford has ruled that the Magic Missile spell provokes separate saves for each missile.
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
Since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.
This is supported by how and when we roll for damage. We roll damage as soon as we hit with an attack:
- Resolve the attack. You make the attack roll. On a hit, you roll damage...
So, we have the initial attack roll, for which we roll damage on a hit. THEN, we have an independent DEX save, which is a separate damaging event. We've already attempted to deal damage once, and now we attempt to do so a second time.
answered Jan 22 at 15:04
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How are two damage instances from a single spell not "from a single source"?
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The two damage events are discreet because one is checked on the attack roll and the other requires a separate saving throw, which happens independent of the attack roll. Jeremy Crawford mentions in his ruling for Magic Missile that each missile of that spell provokes separate rolls, and I would consider that spell significantly more ambiguous than Ice Knife
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You should add that explanation to your answer.
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You need to add the magic missile ruling to your answer. That definitely sways the argument in your favour (and away from mine)
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@CaptainMan that would be one thing (the sword) dealing damage, you just roll extra dice for the attack, and that much damage is of a different type than the rest. Spells like Flame Strike are also examples of this, where each successful hit results in Fire + Radiant damage from the same hit. What makes Ice Knife unique is there are two independent attempts to cause damage: 1) the attack roll, which may or may not hit and deal damage, and 2) the explosion and DEX save, which also may or may not deal damage. Both are distinct, hence two saves.
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The caster would need to make up to two saves.
The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):
Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
Further, Jeremy Crawford has ruled that the Magic Missile spell provokes separate saves for each missile.
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
Since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.
This is supported by how and when we roll for damage. We roll damage as soon as we hit with an attack:
- Resolve the attack. You make the attack roll. On a hit, you roll damage...
So, we have the initial attack roll, for which we roll damage on a hit. THEN, we have an independent DEX save, which is a separate damaging event. We've already attempted to deal damage once, and now we attempt to do so a second time.
answered Jan 22 at 15:04
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How are two damage instances from a single spell not "from a single source"?
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– Darth Pseudonym
Jan 22 at 16:07
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The two damage events are discreet because one is checked on the attack roll and the other requires a separate saving throw, which happens independent of the attack roll. Jeremy Crawford mentions in his ruling for Magic Missile that each missile of that spell provokes separate rolls, and I would consider that spell significantly more ambiguous than Ice Knife
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– G. Moylan
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You should add that explanation to your answer.
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– Darth Pseudonym
Jan 22 at 16:38
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You need to add the magic missile ruling to your answer. That definitely sways the argument in your favour (and away from mine)
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– Richard Smith
Jan 22 at 16:43
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@CaptainMan that would be one thing (the sword) dealing damage, you just roll extra dice for the attack, and that much damage is of a different type than the rest. Spells like Flame Strike are also examples of this, where each successful hit results in Fire + Radiant damage from the same hit. What makes Ice Knife unique is there are two independent attempts to cause damage: 1) the attack roll, which may or may not hit and deal damage, and 2) the explosion and DEX save, which also may or may not deal damage. Both are distinct, hence two saves.
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The caster would need to make up to two saves.
The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):
Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
Further, Jeremy Crawford has ruled that the Magic Missile spell provokes separate saves for each missile.
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
Since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.
This is supported by how and when we roll for damage. We roll damage as soon as we hit with an attack:
- Resolve the attack. You make the attack roll. On a hit, you roll damage...
So, we have the initial attack roll, for which we roll damage on a hit. THEN, we have an independent DEX save, which is a separate damaging event. We've already attempted to deal damage once, and now we attempt to do so a second time.
answered Jan 22 at 15:04
G. MoylanG. Moylan
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The caster would need to make up to two saves.
The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):
Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
Further, Jeremy Crawford has ruled that the Magic Missile spell provokes separate saves for each missile.
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
Since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.
This is supported by how and when we roll for damage. We roll damage as soon as we hit with an attack:
- Resolve the attack. You make the attack roll. On a hit, you roll damage...
So, we have the initial attack roll, for which we roll damage on a hit. THEN, we have an independent DEX save, which is a separate damaging event. We've already attempted to deal damage once, and now we attempt to do so a second time.
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How are two damage instances from a single spell not "from a single source"?
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– Darth Pseudonym
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The two damage events are discreet because one is checked on the attack roll and the other requires a separate saving throw, which happens independent of the attack roll. Jeremy Crawford mentions in his ruling for Magic Missile that each missile of that spell provokes separate rolls, and I would consider that spell significantly more ambiguous than Ice Knife
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– G. Moylan
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You should add that explanation to your answer.
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– Darth Pseudonym
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You need to add the magic missile ruling to your answer. That definitely sways the argument in your favour (and away from mine)
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– Richard Smith
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@CaptainMan that would be one thing (the sword) dealing damage, you just roll extra dice for the attack, and that much damage is of a different type than the rest. Spells like Flame Strike are also examples of this, where each successful hit results in Fire + Radiant damage from the same hit. What makes Ice Knife unique is there are two independent attempts to cause damage: 1) the attack roll, which may or may not hit and deal damage, and 2) the explosion and DEX save, which also may or may not deal damage. Both are distinct, hence two saves.
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– G. Moylan
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How are two damage instances from a single spell not "from a single source"?
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– Darth Pseudonym
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The two damage events are discreet because one is checked on the attack roll and the other requires a separate saving throw, which happens independent of the attack roll. Jeremy Crawford mentions in his ruling for Magic Missile that each missile of that spell provokes separate rolls, and I would consider that spell significantly more ambiguous than Ice Knife
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– G. Moylan
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You should add that explanation to your answer.
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– Darth Pseudonym
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You need to add the magic missile ruling to your answer. That definitely sways the argument in your favour (and away from mine)
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– Richard Smith
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@CaptainMan that would be one thing (the sword) dealing damage, you just roll extra dice for the attack, and that much damage is of a different type than the rest. Spells like Flame Strike are also examples of this, where each successful hit results in Fire + Radiant damage from the same hit. What makes Ice Knife unique is there are two independent attempts to cause damage: 1) the attack roll, which may or may not hit and deal damage, and 2) the explosion and DEX save, which also may or may not deal damage. Both are distinct, hence two saves.
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– G. Moylan
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How are two damage instances from a single spell not "from a single source"?
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– Darth Pseudonym
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How are two damage instances from a single spell not "from a single source"?
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– Darth Pseudonym
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The two damage events are discreet because one is checked on the attack roll and the other requires a separate saving throw, which happens independent of the attack roll. Jeremy Crawford mentions in his ruling for Magic Missile that each missile of that spell provokes separate rolls, and I would consider that spell significantly more ambiguous than Ice Knife
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– G. Moylan
Jan 22 at 16:18
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The two damage events are discreet because one is checked on the attack roll and the other requires a separate saving throw, which happens independent of the attack roll. Jeremy Crawford mentions in his ruling for Magic Missile that each missile of that spell provokes separate rolls, and I would consider that spell significantly more ambiguous than Ice Knife
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– G. Moylan
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You should add that explanation to your answer.
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– Darth Pseudonym
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You should add that explanation to your answer.
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You need to add the magic missile ruling to your answer. That definitely sways the argument in your favour (and away from mine)
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– Richard Smith
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You need to add the magic missile ruling to your answer. That definitely sways the argument in your favour (and away from mine)
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– Richard Smith
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@CaptainMan that would be one thing (the sword) dealing damage, you just roll extra dice for the attack, and that much damage is of a different type than the rest. Spells like Flame Strike are also examples of this, where each successful hit results in Fire + Radiant damage from the same hit. What makes Ice Knife unique is there are two independent attempts to cause damage: 1) the attack roll, which may or may not hit and deal damage, and 2) the explosion and DEX save, which also may or may not deal damage. Both are distinct, hence two saves.
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– G. Moylan
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@CaptainMan that would be one thing (the sword) dealing damage, you just roll extra dice for the attack, and that much damage is of a different type than the rest. Spells like Flame Strike are also examples of this, where each successful hit results in Fire + Radiant damage from the same hit. What makes Ice Knife unique is there are two independent attempts to cause damage: 1) the attack roll, which may or may not hit and deal damage, and 2) the explosion and DEX save, which also may or may not deal damage. Both are distinct, hence two saves.
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Yes. Two saves may be required.
Two concentration saving throws are required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.
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Yes. Two saves may be required.
Two concentration saving throws are required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.
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Yes. Two saves may be required.
Two concentration saving throws are required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.
edited Jan 22 at 19:10
NautArch
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answered Jan 22 at 15:06
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Yes. Two saves may be required.
Two concentration saving throws are required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.
edited Jan 22 at 19:10
NautArch
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answered Jan 22 at 15:06
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NautArch
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The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.
The PHB p203 states:
If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
answered Jan 22 at 15:09
Richard SmithRichard Smith
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Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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– G. Moylan
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This answer would be improved if you could make a statement regarding the DC of the save.
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– Pyrotechnical
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Flame Strike is an example of a spell that deals two different damage types and IS only one source of damage, but a spell like Eldritch Blast is also technically "one source," and deals one type of damage, but can have multiple attack rolls, and thus multiple damaging events, like Ice Knife. The types of damage are irrelevant, it's how the damage is dealt that matters.
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The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.
The PHB p203 states:
If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
answered Jan 22 at 15:09
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Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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– G. Moylan
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This answer would be improved if you could make a statement regarding the DC of the save.
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– Pyrotechnical
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Flame Strike is an example of a spell that deals two different damage types and IS only one source of damage, but a spell like Eldritch Blast is also technically "one source," and deals one type of damage, but can have multiple attack rolls, and thus multiple damaging events, like Ice Knife. The types of damage are irrelevant, it's how the damage is dealt that matters.
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The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.
The PHB p203 states:
If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
answered Jan 22 at 15:09
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The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.
The PHB p203 states:
If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
answered Jan 22 at 15:09
Richard SmithRichard Smith
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answered Jan 22 at 15:09
Richard SmithRichard Smith
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answered Jan 22 at 15:09
Richard SmithRichard Smith
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answered Jan 22 at 15:09
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Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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– G. Moylan
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– Pyrotechnical
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Flame Strike is an example of a spell that deals two different damage types and IS only one source of damage, but a spell like Eldritch Blast is also technically "one source," and deals one type of damage, but can have multiple attack rolls, and thus multiple damaging events, like Ice Knife. The types of damage are irrelevant, it's how the damage is dealt that matters.
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Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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– G. Moylan
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This answer would be improved if you could make a statement regarding the DC of the save.
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– Pyrotechnical
Jan 22 at 15:26
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Flame Strike is an example of a spell that deals two different damage types and IS only one source of damage, but a spell like Eldritch Blast is also technically "one source," and deals one type of damage, but can have multiple attack rolls, and thus multiple damaging events, like Ice Knife. The types of damage are irrelevant, it's how the damage is dealt that matters.
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– G. Moylan
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Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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– G. Moylan
Jan 22 at 15:11
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Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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– G. Moylan
Jan 22 at 15:11
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This answer would be improved if you could make a statement regarding the DC of the save.
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– Pyrotechnical
Jan 22 at 15:26
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This answer would be improved if you could make a statement regarding the DC of the save.
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– Pyrotechnical
Jan 22 at 15:26
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Flame Strike is an example of a spell that deals two different damage types and IS only one source of damage, but a spell like Eldritch Blast is also technically "one source," and deals one type of damage, but can have multiple attack rolls, and thus multiple damaging events, like Ice Knife. The types of damage are irrelevant, it's how the damage is dealt that matters.
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– G. Moylan
Jan 22 at 17:01
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Flame Strike is an example of a spell that deals two different damage types and IS only one source of damage, but a spell like Eldritch Blast is also technically "one source," and deals one type of damage, but can have multiple attack rolls, and thus multiple damaging events, like Ice Knife. The types of damage are irrelevant, it's how the damage is dealt that matters.
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I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.
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I think you're close to a good answer here, but as written, it's a bit rambling and difficult to discern your exact intent. I recommend some proofing to clean up and sort your thoughts a bit more clearly.
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I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.
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I think you're close to a good answer here, but as written, it's a bit rambling and difficult to discern your exact intent. I recommend some proofing to clean up and sort your thoughts a bit more clearly.
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– Pyrotechnical
Jan 22 at 15:27
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I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.
edited Jan 22 at 15:17
Rubiksmoose
54.2k9265408
answered Jan 22 at 15:02
ZetaswrathZetaswrath
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I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.
edited Jan 22 at 15:17
Rubiksmoose
54.2k9265408
answered Jan 22 at 15:02
ZetaswrathZetaswrath
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edited Jan 22 at 15:17
Rubiksmoose
54.2k9265408
edited Jan 22 at 15:17
Rubiksmoose
54.2k9265408
edited Jan 22 at 15:17
Rubiksmoose
54.2k9265408
54.2k9265408
answered Jan 22 at 15:02
ZetaswrathZetaswrath
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answered Jan 22 at 15:02
ZetaswrathZetaswrath
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answered Jan 22 at 15:02
ZetaswrathZetaswrath
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– Sdjz
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I think you're close to a good answer here, but as written, it's a bit rambling and difficult to discern your exact intent. I recommend some proofing to clean up and sort your thoughts a bit more clearly.
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– Pyrotechnical
Jan 22 at 15:27
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Welcome to rpg.se. Your answer is fundamentally correct, however you failed to back it up with references. See the differences between yours and the current top answer which make the same argument but in different ways. That answer is a great example of the type of answer we want on this site.
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– Sdjz
Jan 22 at 15:15
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I think you're close to a good answer here, but as written, it's a bit rambling and difficult to discern your exact intent. I recommend some proofing to clean up and sort your thoughts a bit more clearly.
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– Pyrotechnical
Jan 22 at 15:27
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Welcome to rpg.se. Your answer is fundamentally correct, however you failed to back it up with references. See the differences between yours and the current top answer which make the same argument but in different ways. That answer is a great example of the type of answer we want on this site.
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– linksassin
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Hello and welcome! Please take the tour to learn more about the site. keep in mind that this site's format is different from a forum and answers are expected to be backed up by more than opinions (see this meta post for more info). Thank you for contributing and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
Jan 22 at 15:15
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Hello and welcome! Please take the tour to learn more about the site. keep in mind that this site's format is different from a forum and answers are expected to be backed up by more than opinions (see this meta post for more info). Thank you for contributing and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
Jan 22 at 15:15
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I think you're close to a good answer here, but as written, it's a bit rambling and difficult to discern your exact intent. I recommend some proofing to clean up and sort your thoughts a bit more clearly.
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– Pyrotechnical
Jan 22 at 15:27
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I think you're close to a good answer here, but as written, it's a bit rambling and difficult to discern your exact intent. I recommend some proofing to clean up and sort your thoughts a bit more clearly.
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– Pyrotechnical
Jan 22 at 15:27
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Welcome to rpg.se. Your answer is fundamentally correct, however you failed to back it up with references. See the differences between yours and the current top answer which make the same argument but in different ways. That answer is a great example of the type of answer we want on this site.
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– linksassin
Jan 23 at 0:33
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Welcome to rpg.se. Your answer is fundamentally correct, however you failed to back it up with references. See the differences between yours and the current top answer which make the same argument but in different ways. That answer is a great example of the type of answer we want on this site.
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