Justification of an isomorphism between $mathbbZ[t]/(t,3)$ and $mathbbZ/3$
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I am wondering if the following is true:
$$mathbbZ[t]/(t,3)congmathbbZ/3.$$
I can tell that the ideal $(t,3)$ is maximal. In contrast, the ideal $(t^2,2t)$ is not even irreducible. So it's less likely that we can simplify $mathbbZ[t]/(t^2,2t)$ further.
If the aforementioned isomorphism is true, that means $mathbbZ[t]/(t,3)cong(mathbbZ[t]/t)/(3)congmathbbZ/3$, where the $(3)$ is an ideal in $mathbbZ[t]/t$. My questions are:
1) Is this argument legitimate?
2) If it is true, is there any theorem justifying the aforementioned isomorphism?
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I am wondering if the following is true:
$$mathbbZ[t]/(t,3)congmathbbZ/3.$$
I can tell that the ideal $(t,3)$ is maximal. In contrast, the ideal $(t^2,2t)$ is not even irreducible. So it's less likely that we can simplify $mathbbZ[t]/(t^2,2t)$ further.
If the aforementioned isomorphism is true, that means $mathbbZ[t]/(t,3)cong(mathbbZ[t]/t)/(3)congmathbbZ/3$, where the $(3)$ is an ideal in $mathbbZ[t]/t$. My questions are:
1) Is this argument legitimate?
2) If it is true, is there any theorem justifying the aforementioned isomorphism?
abstract-algebra ring-theory
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I am wondering if the following is true:
$$mathbbZ[t]/(t,3)congmathbbZ/3.$$
I can tell that the ideal $(t,3)$ is maximal. In contrast, the ideal $(t^2,2t)$ is not even irreducible. So it's less likely that we can simplify $mathbbZ[t]/(t^2,2t)$ further.
If the aforementioned isomorphism is true, that means $mathbbZ[t]/(t,3)cong(mathbbZ[t]/t)/(3)congmathbbZ/3$, where the $(3)$ is an ideal in $mathbbZ[t]/t$. My questions are:
1) Is this argument legitimate?
2) If it is true, is there any theorem justifying the aforementioned isomorphism?
abstract-algebra ring-theory
I am wondering if the following is true:
$$mathbbZ[t]/(t,3)congmathbbZ/3.$$
I can tell that the ideal $(t,3)$ is maximal. In contrast, the ideal $(t^2,2t)$ is not even irreducible. So it's less likely that we can simplify $mathbbZ[t]/(t^2,2t)$ further.
If the aforementioned isomorphism is true, that means $mathbbZ[t]/(t,3)cong(mathbbZ[t]/t)/(3)congmathbbZ/3$, where the $(3)$ is an ideal in $mathbbZ[t]/t$. My questions are:
1) Is this argument legitimate?
2) If it is true, is there any theorem justifying the aforementioned isomorphism?
abstract-algebra ring-theory
abstract-algebra ring-theory
edited Dec 2 at 9:24
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Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:
Claim. $BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbbZ/langle3rangle$
Well, I'll prove the following steps:
$$BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecong fracBbbZ[x]/langle xranglelangle x,3rangle/langle xrangle congBbbZ/langle 3rangle$$
The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.
I think $BbbZ[x]/langle xrangle cong BbbZ$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $BbbZ[x]$ to $BbbZ$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.
Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:
$phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in BbbZ[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$
See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!
N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in BbbZ[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.
$>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 8:26
@BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
– Indrajit Ghosh
Dec 2 at 8:36
What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
– Asaf Karagila♦
Dec 2 at 9:22
I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 15:28
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It's legitimate and a consequence of the isomorphism theorems.
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2 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
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up vote
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Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:
Claim. $BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbbZ/langle3rangle$
Well, I'll prove the following steps:
$$BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecong fracBbbZ[x]/langle xranglelangle x,3rangle/langle xrangle congBbbZ/langle 3rangle$$
The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.
I think $BbbZ[x]/langle xrangle cong BbbZ$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $BbbZ[x]$ to $BbbZ$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.
Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:
$phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in BbbZ[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$
See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!
N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in BbbZ[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.
$>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 8:26
@BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
– Indrajit Ghosh
Dec 2 at 8:36
What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
– Asaf Karagila♦
Dec 2 at 9:22
I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 15:28
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3
down vote
accepted
Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:
Claim. $BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbbZ/langle3rangle$
Well, I'll prove the following steps:
$$BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecong fracBbbZ[x]/langle xranglelangle x,3rangle/langle xrangle congBbbZ/langle 3rangle$$
The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.
I think $BbbZ[x]/langle xrangle cong BbbZ$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $BbbZ[x]$ to $BbbZ$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.
Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:
$phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in BbbZ[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$
See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!
N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in BbbZ[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.
$>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 8:26
@BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
– Indrajit Ghosh
Dec 2 at 8:36
What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
– Asaf Karagila♦
Dec 2 at 9:22
I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 15:28
add a comment |
up vote
3
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accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:
Claim. $BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbbZ/langle3rangle$
Well, I'll prove the following steps:
$$BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecong fracBbbZ[x]/langle xranglelangle x,3rangle/langle xrangle congBbbZ/langle 3rangle$$
The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.
I think $BbbZ[x]/langle xrangle cong BbbZ$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $BbbZ[x]$ to $BbbZ$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.
Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:
$phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in BbbZ[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$
See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!
N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in BbbZ[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.
Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:
Claim. $BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbbZ/langle3rangle$
Well, I'll prove the following steps:
$$BbbZ[x]/langle x,3ranglecong fracBbbZ[x]/langle xranglelangle x,3rangle/langle xrangle congBbbZ/langle 3rangle$$
The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.
I think $BbbZ[x]/langle xrangle cong BbbZ$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $BbbZ[x]$ to $BbbZ$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.
Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:
$phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in BbbZ[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$
See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!
N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in BbbZ[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.
edited Dec 3 at 3:57
answered Dec 2 at 4:23
Indrajit Ghosh
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$>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 8:26
@BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
– Indrajit Ghosh
Dec 2 at 8:36
What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
– Asaf Karagila♦
Dec 2 at 9:22
I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 15:28
add a comment |
$>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 8:26
@BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
– Indrajit Ghosh
Dec 2 at 8:36
What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
– Asaf Karagila♦
Dec 2 at 9:22
I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 15:28
$>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 8:26
$>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 8:26
@BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
– Indrajit Ghosh
Dec 2 at 8:36
@BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
– Indrajit Ghosh
Dec 2 at 8:36
What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
– Asaf Karagila♦
Dec 2 at 9:22
What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
– Asaf Karagila♦
Dec 2 at 9:22
I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 15:28
I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
– Bob Krueger
Dec 2 at 15:28
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It's legitimate and a consequence of the isomorphism theorems.
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It's legitimate and a consequence of the isomorphism theorems.
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It's legitimate and a consequence of the isomorphism theorems.
It's legitimate and a consequence of the isomorphism theorems.
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