Olivia's cookie jars
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Olivia loves cookies so much that Dad promises to buy her two cookie jars on one condition: that she only eats one cookie per day.
Olivia agrees, and now two black, large cookie jars rest on the kitchen table. The jars are completely opaque, but on the label it says very clearly: each jar contains exactly 100 cookies.
So every morning Olivia wakes up, randomly selects one of the cookie jars, opens it and takes one cookie. Yum. Nobody else in the house eats cookies, so she's in for a long time treat.
After some time though, the inevitable happens: when Olivia opens the randomly selected jar that morning, she finds that the jar is empty. Quickly she glances worried to the other jar and the question pops into her mind:
What is the probability that the other jar is also empty?
EDIT: For clarification, Olivia does not realise that a jar is empty when taking the last cookie from it.
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Olivia loves cookies so much that Dad promises to buy her two cookie jars on one condition: that she only eats one cookie per day.
Olivia agrees, and now two black, large cookie jars rest on the kitchen table. The jars are completely opaque, but on the label it says very clearly: each jar contains exactly 100 cookies.
So every morning Olivia wakes up, randomly selects one of the cookie jars, opens it and takes one cookie. Yum. Nobody else in the house eats cookies, so she's in for a long time treat.
After some time though, the inevitable happens: when Olivia opens the randomly selected jar that morning, she finds that the jar is empty. Quickly she glances worried to the other jar and the question pops into her mind:
What is the probability that the other jar is also empty?
EDIT: For clarification, Olivia does not realise that a jar is empty when taking the last cookie from it.
probability
I believe the answer will be around rot13(svir cbvag gjb bar frira creprag) but I'm having trouble proving it
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 16:01
This is the restatement of Banach matchbox problem, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%27s_matchbox_problem
– Roah
Dec 2 at 21:31
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Olivia loves cookies so much that Dad promises to buy her two cookie jars on one condition: that she only eats one cookie per day.
Olivia agrees, and now two black, large cookie jars rest on the kitchen table. The jars are completely opaque, but on the label it says very clearly: each jar contains exactly 100 cookies.
So every morning Olivia wakes up, randomly selects one of the cookie jars, opens it and takes one cookie. Yum. Nobody else in the house eats cookies, so she's in for a long time treat.
After some time though, the inevitable happens: when Olivia opens the randomly selected jar that morning, she finds that the jar is empty. Quickly she glances worried to the other jar and the question pops into her mind:
What is the probability that the other jar is also empty?
EDIT: For clarification, Olivia does not realise that a jar is empty when taking the last cookie from it.
probability
Olivia loves cookies so much that Dad promises to buy her two cookie jars on one condition: that she only eats one cookie per day.
Olivia agrees, and now two black, large cookie jars rest on the kitchen table. The jars are completely opaque, but on the label it says very clearly: each jar contains exactly 100 cookies.
So every morning Olivia wakes up, randomly selects one of the cookie jars, opens it and takes one cookie. Yum. Nobody else in the house eats cookies, so she's in for a long time treat.
After some time though, the inevitable happens: when Olivia opens the randomly selected jar that morning, she finds that the jar is empty. Quickly she glances worried to the other jar and the question pops into her mind:
What is the probability that the other jar is also empty?
EDIT: For clarification, Olivia does not realise that a jar is empty when taking the last cookie from it.
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probability
edited Dec 2 at 12:05
asked Dec 2 at 8:23
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I believe the answer will be around rot13(svir cbvag gjb bar frira creprag) but I'm having trouble proving it
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 16:01
This is the restatement of Banach matchbox problem, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%27s_matchbox_problem
– Roah
Dec 2 at 21:31
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I believe the answer will be around rot13(svir cbvag gjb bar frira creprag) but I'm having trouble proving it
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 16:01
This is the restatement of Banach matchbox problem, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%27s_matchbox_problem
– Roah
Dec 2 at 21:31
I believe the answer will be around rot13(svir cbvag gjb bar frira creprag) but I'm having trouble proving it
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 16:01
I believe the answer will be around rot13(svir cbvag gjb bar frira creprag) but I'm having trouble proving it
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 16:01
This is the restatement of Banach matchbox problem, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%27s_matchbox_problem
– Roah
Dec 2 at 21:31
This is the restatement of Banach matchbox problem, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%27s_matchbox_problem
– Roah
Dec 2 at 21:31
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There is a
5.63%
chance that the other jar is empty. This puzzle is asking the equivalent of
What is the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times?
which can be calculated by
$0.5^100times(1-0.5)^(200-100)timesbinom200100 = 0.0563 =$ 5.63%
This should be it. I left out the fact that it doesnt matter which jar Olivia chooses at the 201th pick.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:27
Hi and welcome to Puzzling.SE! Nice answer. However when I run simulations, it comes out a different answer, so I wonder if they are exactly equivalent.
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:31
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@Kryesec I think the discrepancy comes from the fact that you are assuming that there are always 200 attempts. But this is not true. There could be fewer attempts if there is a failure and these have to be removed from the probability you calculated
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:46
@SteveV: When I run a simulation it does give me this answer.
– Jaap Scherphuis
Dec 3 at 7:07
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Is it
zero
because this is the first time she's found a jar to be empty, so
the other jar has never been empty
hello! This was my first thought too for a straightforward answer. But I was thinking that the discovery that it is empty is actually on the 101th reach into the jar. Nevertheless, this is the most logical solution in normal situation (:
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:54
1
Hm. This is probably close, but rot13(vfa'g gurer n fznyy punapr gung fur'f ba qnl gjb uhaqerq, jura obgu wnef ner rzcgl naq fur unf nyjnlf pubfra n aba-rzcgl bar orsber)?
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:55
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@Kryesec: Not necessarily. That discovery could be on any day between 101 and 200.
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:56
1
@MOehm agreed, but I was referring to the 101th reach into the jar in question (meaning that Olivia doesnt know that she is emptying the jar when she takes the last cookie)
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:57
1
Oh, I see, the 101st time she reaches into that particular jar. I mistook "reach into the jar" for "reach into a jar".
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 10:01
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The probability is
(Edit: kudos to @SHaze for noting the prior mistake I had on 201th run) 5.63%
Some basic assumptions:
1. Assuming that this is the first occurrence which is discovered that the jar is empty (Noting that this is the 101th time Olivia reach into the jar, discovered that there is 0 cookies inside)
2. This is a simple scenario of comparing 2 binomial distributions:
i.e. A - Number of times Olivia select Jar A ; &
B - Number of times Olivia select Jar B
Therefore:
This problem is a
$P(A=101 OR B=101|B=100) =(0.5+0.5) * binom2001000.5^100(1-0.5)^200-100 $ = 5.63%
All I can say right now is that the answer is wrong...
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 2 at 12:13
@BogdanAlexandru looks like back to the drawing board it is .__.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:15
Better :) just a factor of two was missing.
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 3 at 8:05
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The problem means that when she took 100 of one jar she must not take from this jar until she has also taken 100 from the other jar.
So the problem is equivalent to
ending in the middle bin of a Galton Board with 200 rows.
When you take 1 of one kind too much, you can't end in the middle bin of the last row anymore.
The probability therefor is:
$binomnktimes p^k times (1-p)^n-k$ Source Wikipedia
In our case:
$binom200100 times 0.5^100 times (1-0.5)^200-100$
So the result is
$0.056348...$ or $5.63%$
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Hello, I've rendered your LaTeX properly and trimmed the decimal in the answer.
– Quintec
Dec 2 at 22:42
@Quintec thanks, looks good now
– H. Idden
Dec 2 at 23:11
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I think the probability that the second jar is also empty is:
50%
Because:
Some other answers liken this problem to "the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times", and that might be the case if the question were "What are the chances of Olivia taking exactly 100 cookies from each jar over 200 days". But that isn't the question - the question is entirely about one of the cookie jars after we know the other is already empty.
Olivia has been "randomly" selecting a cookie jar each morning. If it were truly random, say for example she did toss a coin to decide which one to pick, then each day, the probability of Jar A or Jar B being selected would be 50% on any given day. Sure, the probability of the coin toss landing the same every day over a given period of time would be calculable, but on any individual day the probability in isolation is 50%. Olivia's own method of selection is probably far less random. If she made a "conscious" random selection she may have been very close to precise alternation between the two cookie jars and the number of remaining cookies in the other jar would probably be quite close to 1 or 0; whereas if it was entirely without thought she will almost certainly have subconsciously favoured one of the jars. In the latter case, her 'favoured' jar would be empty first and the other almost certainly contains some cookies, but I do not believe that number would be calculable.
One jar is now confirmed as empty. The question is, does the other jar have any cookies in, or not? It may have none - or any other number of cookies. It's 50-50.
I haven't approached this as a mathematics problem. Humans have been shown to randomly select numbers evenly across a range. With a choice of only two jars, the odds would be on Olivia alternating between them fairly evenly.
I'm either going to win the lottery or not. So that's a 50-50 chance.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 9:04
@Kruga Not the same, because millions of other people are playing too AND you have to win on a sequence of numbers. If the lottery involved you and two numbers, yes it would be.
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 9:10
It just sounds like that's the kind logic you are using.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 10:04
@Kruga Then I would have to say that you haven't read and understood my first paragraph correctly. I haven't used the logic for calculating a sequence of events because that is not the question. Why not make an answer yourself using the logic you believe to be correct?
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 10:11
@astralbee But with your example there is the possibility that there is none, or there is some. But there could be 1 cookie left, 2 cookies left... until 100 cookies left. this all have the exact same probability as there being 0 cookies left.
– a guy
Dec 3 at 16:00
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5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
There is a
5.63%
chance that the other jar is empty. This puzzle is asking the equivalent of
What is the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times?
which can be calculated by
$0.5^100times(1-0.5)^(200-100)timesbinom200100 = 0.0563 =$ 5.63%
This should be it. I left out the fact that it doesnt matter which jar Olivia chooses at the 201th pick.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:27
Hi and welcome to Puzzling.SE! Nice answer. However when I run simulations, it comes out a different answer, so I wonder if they are exactly equivalent.
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:31
4
@Kryesec I think the discrepancy comes from the fact that you are assuming that there are always 200 attempts. But this is not true. There could be fewer attempts if there is a failure and these have to be removed from the probability you calculated
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:46
@SteveV: When I run a simulation it does give me this answer.
– Jaap Scherphuis
Dec 3 at 7:07
add a comment |
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
There is a
5.63%
chance that the other jar is empty. This puzzle is asking the equivalent of
What is the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times?
which can be calculated by
$0.5^100times(1-0.5)^(200-100)timesbinom200100 = 0.0563 =$ 5.63%
This should be it. I left out the fact that it doesnt matter which jar Olivia chooses at the 201th pick.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:27
Hi and welcome to Puzzling.SE! Nice answer. However when I run simulations, it comes out a different answer, so I wonder if they are exactly equivalent.
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:31
4
@Kryesec I think the discrepancy comes from the fact that you are assuming that there are always 200 attempts. But this is not true. There could be fewer attempts if there is a failure and these have to be removed from the probability you calculated
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:46
@SteveV: When I run a simulation it does give me this answer.
– Jaap Scherphuis
Dec 3 at 7:07
add a comment |
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
There is a
5.63%
chance that the other jar is empty. This puzzle is asking the equivalent of
What is the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times?
which can be calculated by
$0.5^100times(1-0.5)^(200-100)timesbinom200100 = 0.0563 =$ 5.63%
There is a
5.63%
chance that the other jar is empty. This puzzle is asking the equivalent of
What is the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times?
which can be calculated by
$0.5^100times(1-0.5)^(200-100)timesbinom200100 = 0.0563 =$ 5.63%
answered Dec 2 at 15:17
SHaze
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This should be it. I left out the fact that it doesnt matter which jar Olivia chooses at the 201th pick.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:27
Hi and welcome to Puzzling.SE! Nice answer. However when I run simulations, it comes out a different answer, so I wonder if they are exactly equivalent.
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:31
4
@Kryesec I think the discrepancy comes from the fact that you are assuming that there are always 200 attempts. But this is not true. There could be fewer attempts if there is a failure and these have to be removed from the probability you calculated
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:46
@SteveV: When I run a simulation it does give me this answer.
– Jaap Scherphuis
Dec 3 at 7:07
add a comment |
This should be it. I left out the fact that it doesnt matter which jar Olivia chooses at the 201th pick.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:27
Hi and welcome to Puzzling.SE! Nice answer. However when I run simulations, it comes out a different answer, so I wonder if they are exactly equivalent.
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:31
4
@Kryesec I think the discrepancy comes from the fact that you are assuming that there are always 200 attempts. But this is not true. There could be fewer attempts if there is a failure and these have to be removed from the probability you calculated
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:46
@SteveV: When I run a simulation it does give me this answer.
– Jaap Scherphuis
Dec 3 at 7:07
This should be it. I left out the fact that it doesnt matter which jar Olivia chooses at the 201th pick.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:27
This should be it. I left out the fact that it doesnt matter which jar Olivia chooses at the 201th pick.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:27
Hi and welcome to Puzzling.SE! Nice answer. However when I run simulations, it comes out a different answer, so I wonder if they are exactly equivalent.
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:31
Hi and welcome to Puzzling.SE! Nice answer. However when I run simulations, it comes out a different answer, so I wonder if they are exactly equivalent.
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:31
4
4
@Kryesec I think the discrepancy comes from the fact that you are assuming that there are always 200 attempts. But this is not true. There could be fewer attempts if there is a failure and these have to be removed from the probability you calculated
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:46
@Kryesec I think the discrepancy comes from the fact that you are assuming that there are always 200 attempts. But this is not true. There could be fewer attempts if there is a failure and these have to be removed from the probability you calculated
– SteveV
Dec 2 at 15:46
@SteveV: When I run a simulation it does give me this answer.
– Jaap Scherphuis
Dec 3 at 7:07
@SteveV: When I run a simulation it does give me this answer.
– Jaap Scherphuis
Dec 3 at 7:07
add a comment |
up vote
4
down vote
Is it
zero
because this is the first time she's found a jar to be empty, so
the other jar has never been empty
hello! This was my first thought too for a straightforward answer. But I was thinking that the discovery that it is empty is actually on the 101th reach into the jar. Nevertheless, this is the most logical solution in normal situation (:
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:54
1
Hm. This is probably close, but rot13(vfa'g gurer n fznyy punapr gung fur'f ba qnl gjb uhaqerq, jura obgu wnef ner rzcgl naq fur unf nyjnlf pubfra n aba-rzcgl bar orsber)?
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:55
1
@Kryesec: Not necessarily. That discovery could be on any day between 101 and 200.
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:56
1
@MOehm agreed, but I was referring to the 101th reach into the jar in question (meaning that Olivia doesnt know that she is emptying the jar when she takes the last cookie)
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:57
1
Oh, I see, the 101st time she reaches into that particular jar. I mistook "reach into the jar" for "reach into a jar".
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 10:01
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show 2 more comments
up vote
4
down vote
Is it
zero
because this is the first time she's found a jar to be empty, so
the other jar has never been empty
hello! This was my first thought too for a straightforward answer. But I was thinking that the discovery that it is empty is actually on the 101th reach into the jar. Nevertheless, this is the most logical solution in normal situation (:
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:54
1
Hm. This is probably close, but rot13(vfa'g gurer n fznyy punapr gung fur'f ba qnl gjb uhaqerq, jura obgu wnef ner rzcgl naq fur unf nyjnlf pubfra n aba-rzcgl bar orsber)?
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:55
1
@Kryesec: Not necessarily. That discovery could be on any day between 101 and 200.
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:56
1
@MOehm agreed, but I was referring to the 101th reach into the jar in question (meaning that Olivia doesnt know that she is emptying the jar when she takes the last cookie)
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:57
1
Oh, I see, the 101st time she reaches into that particular jar. I mistook "reach into the jar" for "reach into a jar".
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 10:01
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up vote
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Is it
zero
because this is the first time she's found a jar to be empty, so
the other jar has never been empty
Is it
zero
because this is the first time she's found a jar to be empty, so
the other jar has never been empty
answered Dec 2 at 9:43
Rosie F
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hello! This was my first thought too for a straightforward answer. But I was thinking that the discovery that it is empty is actually on the 101th reach into the jar. Nevertheless, this is the most logical solution in normal situation (:
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:54
1
Hm. This is probably close, but rot13(vfa'g gurer n fznyy punapr gung fur'f ba qnl gjb uhaqerq, jura obgu wnef ner rzcgl naq fur unf nyjnlf pubfra n aba-rzcgl bar orsber)?
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:55
1
@Kryesec: Not necessarily. That discovery could be on any day between 101 and 200.
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:56
1
@MOehm agreed, but I was referring to the 101th reach into the jar in question (meaning that Olivia doesnt know that she is emptying the jar when she takes the last cookie)
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:57
1
Oh, I see, the 101st time she reaches into that particular jar. I mistook "reach into the jar" for "reach into a jar".
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 10:01
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hello! This was my first thought too for a straightforward answer. But I was thinking that the discovery that it is empty is actually on the 101th reach into the jar. Nevertheless, this is the most logical solution in normal situation (:
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:54
1
Hm. This is probably close, but rot13(vfa'g gurer n fznyy punapr gung fur'f ba qnl gjb uhaqerq, jura obgu wnef ner rzcgl naq fur unf nyjnlf pubfra n aba-rzcgl bar orsber)?
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:55
1
@Kryesec: Not necessarily. That discovery could be on any day between 101 and 200.
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:56
1
@MOehm agreed, but I was referring to the 101th reach into the jar in question (meaning that Olivia doesnt know that she is emptying the jar when she takes the last cookie)
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:57
1
Oh, I see, the 101st time she reaches into that particular jar. I mistook "reach into the jar" for "reach into a jar".
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 10:01
hello! This was my first thought too for a straightforward answer. But I was thinking that the discovery that it is empty is actually on the 101th reach into the jar. Nevertheless, this is the most logical solution in normal situation (:
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:54
hello! This was my first thought too for a straightforward answer. But I was thinking that the discovery that it is empty is actually on the 101th reach into the jar. Nevertheless, this is the most logical solution in normal situation (:
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:54
1
1
Hm. This is probably close, but rot13(vfa'g gurer n fznyy punapr gung fur'f ba qnl gjb uhaqerq, jura obgu wnef ner rzcgl naq fur unf nyjnlf pubfra n aba-rzcgl bar orsber)?
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:55
Hm. This is probably close, but rot13(vfa'g gurer n fznyy punapr gung fur'f ba qnl gjb uhaqerq, jura obgu wnef ner rzcgl naq fur unf nyjnlf pubfra n aba-rzcgl bar orsber)?
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:55
1
1
@Kryesec: Not necessarily. That discovery could be on any day between 101 and 200.
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:56
@Kryesec: Not necessarily. That discovery could be on any day between 101 and 200.
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 9:56
1
1
@MOehm agreed, but I was referring to the 101th reach into the jar in question (meaning that Olivia doesnt know that she is emptying the jar when she takes the last cookie)
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:57
@MOehm agreed, but I was referring to the 101th reach into the jar in question (meaning that Olivia doesnt know that she is emptying the jar when she takes the last cookie)
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 9:57
1
1
Oh, I see, the 101st time she reaches into that particular jar. I mistook "reach into the jar" for "reach into a jar".
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 10:01
Oh, I see, the 101st time she reaches into that particular jar. I mistook "reach into the jar" for "reach into a jar".
– M Oehm
Dec 2 at 10:01
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The probability is
(Edit: kudos to @SHaze for noting the prior mistake I had on 201th run) 5.63%
Some basic assumptions:
1. Assuming that this is the first occurrence which is discovered that the jar is empty (Noting that this is the 101th time Olivia reach into the jar, discovered that there is 0 cookies inside)
2. This is a simple scenario of comparing 2 binomial distributions:
i.e. A - Number of times Olivia select Jar A ; &
B - Number of times Olivia select Jar B
Therefore:
This problem is a
$P(A=101 OR B=101|B=100) =(0.5+0.5) * binom2001000.5^100(1-0.5)^200-100 $ = 5.63%
All I can say right now is that the answer is wrong...
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 2 at 12:13
@BogdanAlexandru looks like back to the drawing board it is .__.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:15
Better :) just a factor of two was missing.
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 3 at 8:05
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
The probability is
(Edit: kudos to @SHaze for noting the prior mistake I had on 201th run) 5.63%
Some basic assumptions:
1. Assuming that this is the first occurrence which is discovered that the jar is empty (Noting that this is the 101th time Olivia reach into the jar, discovered that there is 0 cookies inside)
2. This is a simple scenario of comparing 2 binomial distributions:
i.e. A - Number of times Olivia select Jar A ; &
B - Number of times Olivia select Jar B
Therefore:
This problem is a
$P(A=101 OR B=101|B=100) =(0.5+0.5) * binom2001000.5^100(1-0.5)^200-100 $ = 5.63%
All I can say right now is that the answer is wrong...
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 2 at 12:13
@BogdanAlexandru looks like back to the drawing board it is .__.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:15
Better :) just a factor of two was missing.
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 3 at 8:05
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
The probability is
(Edit: kudos to @SHaze for noting the prior mistake I had on 201th run) 5.63%
Some basic assumptions:
1. Assuming that this is the first occurrence which is discovered that the jar is empty (Noting that this is the 101th time Olivia reach into the jar, discovered that there is 0 cookies inside)
2. This is a simple scenario of comparing 2 binomial distributions:
i.e. A - Number of times Olivia select Jar A ; &
B - Number of times Olivia select Jar B
Therefore:
This problem is a
$P(A=101 OR B=101|B=100) =(0.5+0.5) * binom2001000.5^100(1-0.5)^200-100 $ = 5.63%
The probability is
(Edit: kudos to @SHaze for noting the prior mistake I had on 201th run) 5.63%
Some basic assumptions:
1. Assuming that this is the first occurrence which is discovered that the jar is empty (Noting that this is the 101th time Olivia reach into the jar, discovered that there is 0 cookies inside)
2. This is a simple scenario of comparing 2 binomial distributions:
i.e. A - Number of times Olivia select Jar A ; &
B - Number of times Olivia select Jar B
Therefore:
This problem is a
$P(A=101 OR B=101|B=100) =(0.5+0.5) * binom2001000.5^100(1-0.5)^200-100 $ = 5.63%
edited Dec 2 at 15:31
answered Dec 2 at 9:40
Kryesec
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All I can say right now is that the answer is wrong...
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 2 at 12:13
@BogdanAlexandru looks like back to the drawing board it is .__.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:15
Better :) just a factor of two was missing.
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 3 at 8:05
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All I can say right now is that the answer is wrong...
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 2 at 12:13
@BogdanAlexandru looks like back to the drawing board it is .__.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:15
Better :) just a factor of two was missing.
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 3 at 8:05
All I can say right now is that the answer is wrong...
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 2 at 12:13
All I can say right now is that the answer is wrong...
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 2 at 12:13
@BogdanAlexandru looks like back to the drawing board it is .__.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:15
@BogdanAlexandru looks like back to the drawing board it is .__.
– Kryesec
Dec 2 at 15:15
Better :) just a factor of two was missing.
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 3 at 8:05
Better :) just a factor of two was missing.
– Bogdan Alexandru
Dec 3 at 8:05
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The problem means that when she took 100 of one jar she must not take from this jar until she has also taken 100 from the other jar.
So the problem is equivalent to
ending in the middle bin of a Galton Board with 200 rows.
When you take 1 of one kind too much, you can't end in the middle bin of the last row anymore.
The probability therefor is:
$binomnktimes p^k times (1-p)^n-k$ Source Wikipedia
In our case:
$binom200100 times 0.5^100 times (1-0.5)^200-100$
So the result is
$0.056348...$ or $5.63%$
1
Hello, I've rendered your LaTeX properly and trimmed the decimal in the answer.
– Quintec
Dec 2 at 22:42
@Quintec thanks, looks good now
– H. Idden
Dec 2 at 23:11
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The problem means that when she took 100 of one jar she must not take from this jar until she has also taken 100 from the other jar.
So the problem is equivalent to
ending in the middle bin of a Galton Board with 200 rows.
When you take 1 of one kind too much, you can't end in the middle bin of the last row anymore.
The probability therefor is:
$binomnktimes p^k times (1-p)^n-k$ Source Wikipedia
In our case:
$binom200100 times 0.5^100 times (1-0.5)^200-100$
So the result is
$0.056348...$ or $5.63%$
1
Hello, I've rendered your LaTeX properly and trimmed the decimal in the answer.
– Quintec
Dec 2 at 22:42
@Quintec thanks, looks good now
– H. Idden
Dec 2 at 23:11
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
The problem means that when she took 100 of one jar she must not take from this jar until she has also taken 100 from the other jar.
So the problem is equivalent to
ending in the middle bin of a Galton Board with 200 rows.
When you take 1 of one kind too much, you can't end in the middle bin of the last row anymore.
The probability therefor is:
$binomnktimes p^k times (1-p)^n-k$ Source Wikipedia
In our case:
$binom200100 times 0.5^100 times (1-0.5)^200-100$
So the result is
$0.056348...$ or $5.63%$
The problem means that when she took 100 of one jar she must not take from this jar until she has also taken 100 from the other jar.
So the problem is equivalent to
ending in the middle bin of a Galton Board with 200 rows.
When you take 1 of one kind too much, you can't end in the middle bin of the last row anymore.
The probability therefor is:
$binomnktimes p^k times (1-p)^n-k$ Source Wikipedia
In our case:
$binom200100 times 0.5^100 times (1-0.5)^200-100$
So the result is
$0.056348...$ or $5.63%$
edited Dec 2 at 22:41
Quintec
5,1311742
5,1311742
answered Dec 2 at 19:21
H. Idden
1365
1365
1
Hello, I've rendered your LaTeX properly and trimmed the decimal in the answer.
– Quintec
Dec 2 at 22:42
@Quintec thanks, looks good now
– H. Idden
Dec 2 at 23:11
add a comment |
1
Hello, I've rendered your LaTeX properly and trimmed the decimal in the answer.
– Quintec
Dec 2 at 22:42
@Quintec thanks, looks good now
– H. Idden
Dec 2 at 23:11
1
1
Hello, I've rendered your LaTeX properly and trimmed the decimal in the answer.
– Quintec
Dec 2 at 22:42
Hello, I've rendered your LaTeX properly and trimmed the decimal in the answer.
– Quintec
Dec 2 at 22:42
@Quintec thanks, looks good now
– H. Idden
Dec 2 at 23:11
@Quintec thanks, looks good now
– H. Idden
Dec 2 at 23:11
add a comment |
up vote
-1
down vote
I think the probability that the second jar is also empty is:
50%
Because:
Some other answers liken this problem to "the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times", and that might be the case if the question were "What are the chances of Olivia taking exactly 100 cookies from each jar over 200 days". But that isn't the question - the question is entirely about one of the cookie jars after we know the other is already empty.
Olivia has been "randomly" selecting a cookie jar each morning. If it were truly random, say for example she did toss a coin to decide which one to pick, then each day, the probability of Jar A or Jar B being selected would be 50% on any given day. Sure, the probability of the coin toss landing the same every day over a given period of time would be calculable, but on any individual day the probability in isolation is 50%. Olivia's own method of selection is probably far less random. If she made a "conscious" random selection she may have been very close to precise alternation between the two cookie jars and the number of remaining cookies in the other jar would probably be quite close to 1 or 0; whereas if it was entirely without thought she will almost certainly have subconsciously favoured one of the jars. In the latter case, her 'favoured' jar would be empty first and the other almost certainly contains some cookies, but I do not believe that number would be calculable.
One jar is now confirmed as empty. The question is, does the other jar have any cookies in, or not? It may have none - or any other number of cookies. It's 50-50.
I haven't approached this as a mathematics problem. Humans have been shown to randomly select numbers evenly across a range. With a choice of only two jars, the odds would be on Olivia alternating between them fairly evenly.
I'm either going to win the lottery or not. So that's a 50-50 chance.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 9:04
@Kruga Not the same, because millions of other people are playing too AND you have to win on a sequence of numbers. If the lottery involved you and two numbers, yes it would be.
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 9:10
It just sounds like that's the kind logic you are using.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 10:04
@Kruga Then I would have to say that you haven't read and understood my first paragraph correctly. I haven't used the logic for calculating a sequence of events because that is not the question. Why not make an answer yourself using the logic you believe to be correct?
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 10:11
@astralbee But with your example there is the possibility that there is none, or there is some. But there could be 1 cookie left, 2 cookies left... until 100 cookies left. this all have the exact same probability as there being 0 cookies left.
– a guy
Dec 3 at 16:00
|
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up vote
-1
down vote
I think the probability that the second jar is also empty is:
50%
Because:
Some other answers liken this problem to "the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times", and that might be the case if the question were "What are the chances of Olivia taking exactly 100 cookies from each jar over 200 days". But that isn't the question - the question is entirely about one of the cookie jars after we know the other is already empty.
Olivia has been "randomly" selecting a cookie jar each morning. If it were truly random, say for example she did toss a coin to decide which one to pick, then each day, the probability of Jar A or Jar B being selected would be 50% on any given day. Sure, the probability of the coin toss landing the same every day over a given period of time would be calculable, but on any individual day the probability in isolation is 50%. Olivia's own method of selection is probably far less random. If she made a "conscious" random selection she may have been very close to precise alternation between the two cookie jars and the number of remaining cookies in the other jar would probably be quite close to 1 or 0; whereas if it was entirely without thought she will almost certainly have subconsciously favoured one of the jars. In the latter case, her 'favoured' jar would be empty first and the other almost certainly contains some cookies, but I do not believe that number would be calculable.
One jar is now confirmed as empty. The question is, does the other jar have any cookies in, or not? It may have none - or any other number of cookies. It's 50-50.
I haven't approached this as a mathematics problem. Humans have been shown to randomly select numbers evenly across a range. With a choice of only two jars, the odds would be on Olivia alternating between them fairly evenly.
I'm either going to win the lottery or not. So that's a 50-50 chance.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 9:04
@Kruga Not the same, because millions of other people are playing too AND you have to win on a sequence of numbers. If the lottery involved you and two numbers, yes it would be.
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 9:10
It just sounds like that's the kind logic you are using.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 10:04
@Kruga Then I would have to say that you haven't read and understood my first paragraph correctly. I haven't used the logic for calculating a sequence of events because that is not the question. Why not make an answer yourself using the logic you believe to be correct?
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 10:11
@astralbee But with your example there is the possibility that there is none, or there is some. But there could be 1 cookie left, 2 cookies left... until 100 cookies left. this all have the exact same probability as there being 0 cookies left.
– a guy
Dec 3 at 16:00
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
-1
down vote
up vote
-1
down vote
I think the probability that the second jar is also empty is:
50%
Because:
Some other answers liken this problem to "the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times", and that might be the case if the question were "What are the chances of Olivia taking exactly 100 cookies from each jar over 200 days". But that isn't the question - the question is entirely about one of the cookie jars after we know the other is already empty.
Olivia has been "randomly" selecting a cookie jar each morning. If it were truly random, say for example she did toss a coin to decide which one to pick, then each day, the probability of Jar A or Jar B being selected would be 50% on any given day. Sure, the probability of the coin toss landing the same every day over a given period of time would be calculable, but on any individual day the probability in isolation is 50%. Olivia's own method of selection is probably far less random. If she made a "conscious" random selection she may have been very close to precise alternation between the two cookie jars and the number of remaining cookies in the other jar would probably be quite close to 1 or 0; whereas if it was entirely without thought she will almost certainly have subconsciously favoured one of the jars. In the latter case, her 'favoured' jar would be empty first and the other almost certainly contains some cookies, but I do not believe that number would be calculable.
One jar is now confirmed as empty. The question is, does the other jar have any cookies in, or not? It may have none - or any other number of cookies. It's 50-50.
I haven't approached this as a mathematics problem. Humans have been shown to randomly select numbers evenly across a range. With a choice of only two jars, the odds would be on Olivia alternating between them fairly evenly.
I think the probability that the second jar is also empty is:
50%
Because:
Some other answers liken this problem to "the probability of getting exactly 100 heads and 100 tails when flipping a fair coin 200 times", and that might be the case if the question were "What are the chances of Olivia taking exactly 100 cookies from each jar over 200 days". But that isn't the question - the question is entirely about one of the cookie jars after we know the other is already empty.
Olivia has been "randomly" selecting a cookie jar each morning. If it were truly random, say for example she did toss a coin to decide which one to pick, then each day, the probability of Jar A or Jar B being selected would be 50% on any given day. Sure, the probability of the coin toss landing the same every day over a given period of time would be calculable, but on any individual day the probability in isolation is 50%. Olivia's own method of selection is probably far less random. If she made a "conscious" random selection she may have been very close to precise alternation between the two cookie jars and the number of remaining cookies in the other jar would probably be quite close to 1 or 0; whereas if it was entirely without thought she will almost certainly have subconsciously favoured one of the jars. In the latter case, her 'favoured' jar would be empty first and the other almost certainly contains some cookies, but I do not believe that number would be calculable.
One jar is now confirmed as empty. The question is, does the other jar have any cookies in, or not? It may have none - or any other number of cookies. It's 50-50.
I haven't approached this as a mathematics problem. Humans have been shown to randomly select numbers evenly across a range. With a choice of only two jars, the odds would be on Olivia alternating between them fairly evenly.
edited Dec 3 at 9:32
answered Dec 2 at 20:36
Astralbee
5,8391947
5,8391947
I'm either going to win the lottery or not. So that's a 50-50 chance.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 9:04
@Kruga Not the same, because millions of other people are playing too AND you have to win on a sequence of numbers. If the lottery involved you and two numbers, yes it would be.
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 9:10
It just sounds like that's the kind logic you are using.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 10:04
@Kruga Then I would have to say that you haven't read and understood my first paragraph correctly. I haven't used the logic for calculating a sequence of events because that is not the question. Why not make an answer yourself using the logic you believe to be correct?
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 10:11
@astralbee But with your example there is the possibility that there is none, or there is some. But there could be 1 cookie left, 2 cookies left... until 100 cookies left. this all have the exact same probability as there being 0 cookies left.
– a guy
Dec 3 at 16:00
|
show 1 more comment
I'm either going to win the lottery or not. So that's a 50-50 chance.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 9:04
@Kruga Not the same, because millions of other people are playing too AND you have to win on a sequence of numbers. If the lottery involved you and two numbers, yes it would be.
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 9:10
It just sounds like that's the kind logic you are using.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 10:04
@Kruga Then I would have to say that you haven't read and understood my first paragraph correctly. I haven't used the logic for calculating a sequence of events because that is not the question. Why not make an answer yourself using the logic you believe to be correct?
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 10:11
@astralbee But with your example there is the possibility that there is none, or there is some. But there could be 1 cookie left, 2 cookies left... until 100 cookies left. this all have the exact same probability as there being 0 cookies left.
– a guy
Dec 3 at 16:00
I'm either going to win the lottery or not. So that's a 50-50 chance.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 9:04
I'm either going to win the lottery or not. So that's a 50-50 chance.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 9:04
@Kruga Not the same, because millions of other people are playing too AND you have to win on a sequence of numbers. If the lottery involved you and two numbers, yes it would be.
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 9:10
@Kruga Not the same, because millions of other people are playing too AND you have to win on a sequence of numbers. If the lottery involved you and two numbers, yes it would be.
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 9:10
It just sounds like that's the kind logic you are using.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 10:04
It just sounds like that's the kind logic you are using.
– Kruga
Dec 3 at 10:04
@Kruga Then I would have to say that you haven't read and understood my first paragraph correctly. I haven't used the logic for calculating a sequence of events because that is not the question. Why not make an answer yourself using the logic you believe to be correct?
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 10:11
@Kruga Then I would have to say that you haven't read and understood my first paragraph correctly. I haven't used the logic for calculating a sequence of events because that is not the question. Why not make an answer yourself using the logic you believe to be correct?
– Astralbee
Dec 3 at 10:11
@astralbee But with your example there is the possibility that there is none, or there is some. But there could be 1 cookie left, 2 cookies left... until 100 cookies left. this all have the exact same probability as there being 0 cookies left.
– a guy
Dec 3 at 16:00
@astralbee But with your example there is the possibility that there is none, or there is some. But there could be 1 cookie left, 2 cookies left... until 100 cookies left. this all have the exact same probability as there being 0 cookies left.
– a guy
Dec 3 at 16:00
|
show 1 more comment
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I believe the answer will be around rot13(svir cbvag gjb bar frira creprag) but I'm having trouble proving it
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This is the restatement of Banach matchbox problem, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%27s_matchbox_problem
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