Designing river which does not overflow

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... And if it absolutely has to, then such river should overflow in predictable matter.



I have city idea in mind, where such city has a river contained in artificial tunnel beneath such city. I instantly know one huge design flaw of such city, which is the floods.



So, I have to take one step back and come up with design of a river which does not overflow.



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  • Earth-based planet, but not necessarily Earth

  • Such river may be on island or on a continent, I do not really care

  • However the land mass around a city sitting on such river should be big enough to support city of at least 100 000 citizens

  • Weather should support civilization, best would be northern Europe -like weather (seasons, temperatures between -30 to +35 degrees Celsius, long term average 18 C)

  • River itself should be at least 50 km long and at least 4m wide on widest point

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    "All" you need to do, is to control the rate at which water can enter the tunnel. And to make the tunnel wide enough to handle that max flow rate. So, your flood defense will actually be situated outside of the city, at the place where the river enters the tunnel.
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  • I gave it real thought and being from Europe myself, I saw some really thought through defenses being torn apart by huge river. Therefore I doubt that any tunnel idea would survive the river, if you cannot predict the river...
    – Pavel Janicek
    13 hours ago










  • Singapore has very similar problems with a majority of all canals/river beds in the city (due to rain mostly), you can look into the solutions they use
    – Nicolai
    12 hours ago






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    4 metres wide is more a large stream than a river, we'd casually put such a thing through a sewer if it was in the way. There are bigger rivers running under London.
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    The Grand Canyon (Arizona, USA) will never overflow. Unless something is extreme, there will be the occasional flood. Because you build for 99 years out of 100. That unusual circumstance is too hard to build for and is the one that will get you in the end.
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... And if it absolutely has to, then such river should overflow in predictable matter.



I have city idea in mind, where such city has a river contained in artificial tunnel beneath such city. I instantly know one huge design flaw of such city, which is the floods.



So, I have to take one step back and come up with design of a river which does not overflow.



Setup



  • Earth-based planet, but not necessarily Earth

  • Such river may be on island or on a continent, I do not really care

  • However the land mass around a city sitting on such river should be big enough to support city of at least 100 000 citizens

  • Weather should support civilization, best would be northern Europe -like weather (seasons, temperatures between -30 to +35 degrees Celsius, long term average 18 C)

  • River itself should be at least 50 km long and at least 4m wide on widest point

So, is it possible to come up with setup which supports predictable river?










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    "All" you need to do, is to control the rate at which water can enter the tunnel. And to make the tunnel wide enough to handle that max flow rate. So, your flood defense will actually be situated outside of the city, at the place where the river enters the tunnel.
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  • I gave it real thought and being from Europe myself, I saw some really thought through defenses being torn apart by huge river. Therefore I doubt that any tunnel idea would survive the river, if you cannot predict the river...
    – Pavel Janicek
    13 hours ago










  • Singapore has very similar problems with a majority of all canals/river beds in the city (due to rain mostly), you can look into the solutions they use
    – Nicolai
    12 hours ago






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    4 metres wide is more a large stream than a river, we'd casually put such a thing through a sewer if it was in the way. There are bigger rivers running under London.
    – Separatrix
    12 hours ago






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    The Grand Canyon (Arizona, USA) will never overflow. Unless something is extreme, there will be the occasional flood. Because you build for 99 years out of 100. That unusual circumstance is too hard to build for and is the one that will get you in the end.
    – Cyn
    5 hours ago












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... And if it absolutely has to, then such river should overflow in predictable matter.



I have city idea in mind, where such city has a river contained in artificial tunnel beneath such city. I instantly know one huge design flaw of such city, which is the floods.



So, I have to take one step back and come up with design of a river which does not overflow.



Setup



  • Earth-based planet, but not necessarily Earth

  • Such river may be on island or on a continent, I do not really care

  • However the land mass around a city sitting on such river should be big enough to support city of at least 100 000 citizens

  • Weather should support civilization, best would be northern Europe -like weather (seasons, temperatures between -30 to +35 degrees Celsius, long term average 18 C)

  • River itself should be at least 50 km long and at least 4m wide on widest point

So, is it possible to come up with setup which supports predictable river?










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... And if it absolutely has to, then such river should overflow in predictable matter.



I have city idea in mind, where such city has a river contained in artificial tunnel beneath such city. I instantly know one huge design flaw of such city, which is the floods.



So, I have to take one step back and come up with design of a river which does not overflow.



Setup



  • Earth-based planet, but not necessarily Earth

  • Such river may be on island or on a continent, I do not really care

  • However the land mass around a city sitting on such river should be big enough to support city of at least 100 000 citizens

  • Weather should support civilization, best would be northern Europe -like weather (seasons, temperatures between -30 to +35 degrees Celsius, long term average 18 C)

  • River itself should be at least 50 km long and at least 4m wide on widest point

So, is it possible to come up with setup which supports predictable river?







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    "All" you need to do, is to control the rate at which water can enter the tunnel. And to make the tunnel wide enough to handle that max flow rate. So, your flood defense will actually be situated outside of the city, at the place where the river enters the tunnel.
    – cmaster
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  • I gave it real thought and being from Europe myself, I saw some really thought through defenses being torn apart by huge river. Therefore I doubt that any tunnel idea would survive the river, if you cannot predict the river...
    – Pavel Janicek
    13 hours ago










  • Singapore has very similar problems with a majority of all canals/river beds in the city (due to rain mostly), you can look into the solutions they use
    – Nicolai
    12 hours ago






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    4 metres wide is more a large stream than a river, we'd casually put such a thing through a sewer if it was in the way. There are bigger rivers running under London.
    – Separatrix
    12 hours ago






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    The Grand Canyon (Arizona, USA) will never overflow. Unless something is extreme, there will be the occasional flood. Because you build for 99 years out of 100. That unusual circumstance is too hard to build for and is the one that will get you in the end.
    – Cyn
    5 hours ago












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    "All" you need to do, is to control the rate at which water can enter the tunnel. And to make the tunnel wide enough to handle that max flow rate. So, your flood defense will actually be situated outside of the city, at the place where the river enters the tunnel.
    – cmaster
    13 hours ago










  • I gave it real thought and being from Europe myself, I saw some really thought through defenses being torn apart by huge river. Therefore I doubt that any tunnel idea would survive the river, if you cannot predict the river...
    – Pavel Janicek
    13 hours ago










  • Singapore has very similar problems with a majority of all canals/river beds in the city (due to rain mostly), you can look into the solutions they use
    – Nicolai
    12 hours ago






  • 7




    4 metres wide is more a large stream than a river, we'd casually put such a thing through a sewer if it was in the way. There are bigger rivers running under London.
    – Separatrix
    12 hours ago






  • 1




    The Grand Canyon (Arizona, USA) will never overflow. Unless something is extreme, there will be the occasional flood. Because you build for 99 years out of 100. That unusual circumstance is too hard to build for and is the one that will get you in the end.
    – Cyn
    5 hours ago







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"All" you need to do, is to control the rate at which water can enter the tunnel. And to make the tunnel wide enough to handle that max flow rate. So, your flood defense will actually be situated outside of the city, at the place where the river enters the tunnel.
– cmaster
13 hours ago




"All" you need to do, is to control the rate at which water can enter the tunnel. And to make the tunnel wide enough to handle that max flow rate. So, your flood defense will actually be situated outside of the city, at the place where the river enters the tunnel.
– cmaster
13 hours ago












I gave it real thought and being from Europe myself, I saw some really thought through defenses being torn apart by huge river. Therefore I doubt that any tunnel idea would survive the river, if you cannot predict the river...
– Pavel Janicek
13 hours ago




I gave it real thought and being from Europe myself, I saw some really thought through defenses being torn apart by huge river. Therefore I doubt that any tunnel idea would survive the river, if you cannot predict the river...
– Pavel Janicek
13 hours ago












Singapore has very similar problems with a majority of all canals/river beds in the city (due to rain mostly), you can look into the solutions they use
– Nicolai
12 hours ago




Singapore has very similar problems with a majority of all canals/river beds in the city (due to rain mostly), you can look into the solutions they use
– Nicolai
12 hours ago




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4 metres wide is more a large stream than a river, we'd casually put such a thing through a sewer if it was in the way. There are bigger rivers running under London.
– Separatrix
12 hours ago




4 metres wide is more a large stream than a river, we'd casually put such a thing through a sewer if it was in the way. There are bigger rivers running under London.
– Separatrix
12 hours ago




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The Grand Canyon (Arizona, USA) will never overflow. Unless something is extreme, there will be the occasional flood. Because you build for 99 years out of 100. That unusual circumstance is too hard to build for and is the one that will get you in the end.
– Cyn
5 hours ago




The Grand Canyon (Arizona, USA) will never overflow. Unless something is extreme, there will be the occasional flood. Because you build for 99 years out of 100. That unusual circumstance is too hard to build for and is the one that will get you in the end.
– Cyn
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You can realize a large basin upstream, where you can divert the excess water during overflow time.



You can then opt for:



  • leaking that excess water on a path avoiding the city, going through expendable areas

  • let that water drain through the terrain

First one is preferred, as in case of exceptionally extreme cases, you might prefer flooding low value areas instead of the city. Of course you need to take care that no abusive buildings are built in the area designated for being flooded.






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    Reservoirs and canals, basically. One question though: what’s an abusive building??
    – Joe Bloggs
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    @JoeBloggs, it is a building built without the needed permissions or in violation of the local building regulation
    – L.Dutch
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    Aaah! I was just picturing a building with nasty graffiti..
    – Joe Bloggs
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  • @JoeBloggs which may be the result after the occupants are evicted and no-one is willing to pony up the cost of the demolition.
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    A Dutch answering a question on handling water; seems legit ;)
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Rivers with stable flow (with data source)



River downstream of a large lake



  • The larger the lake, the most stable the flow out of it. Also, it helps that the lake be in a temperate environment, oo water input into the lake doesn't vary too much. The lake can freeze over, as can the outlet river, without really affecting flow much; this happens in the case of the example.


  • Example - Saint Mary River (between Lake Superior and Lake Huron in US/Canada) at Sault Ste. Marie. Other good examples are the Rhone downstream of Lake Geneva, and the Neva downstream of Lake Ladoga.


  • Pro - Very stable flow rate, year round (assuming the lakes don't freeze). Low ratio and magnitude of seasonal fluctuations. When improved with canals and locks, this makes for a great trading city.


  • Con - In many cases, these outlet rivers are steep and un-navigable.


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Extreme high flow 3590
Expected annual high 2385
Average flow 2142
Excess over expect high 1205
Excess over average 1448
Ratio over expect high 0.51
Ratio over average 0.68


(Note, all units are in cubic meters per second, except ratio)



Large tropical river



  • A large tropical river where half of the river basin is in each hemisphere. As the monsoon rains are pushed by the Intertropical Convergence Zone back and forth between the hemispheres, you will end up with relatively stable rainfall throughout the year.


  • Example - Congo River measured at Kinshasa.


  • Pros - Very low seasonal flow variance. Also, an enormous basin for river-borne trade with the city.


  • Cons - Very high magnitude of flow variance. When the river is this big, even a little bit of flooding is a big deal.


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Extreme high flow 80832
Expected annual high 56081
Average flow 39536
Excess over expect high 24751
Excess over average 41296
Ratio over expect high 0.44
Ratio over average 1.04


A temperate river with little snowmelt



  • The next best scenario is a river with a small basin with constant, low level rainfall, and little snow accumulation.


  • Example - Seine River at Paris.


  • Pro - Despite being a big enough river for a truly large city, the magnitude of highest recorded flood to average winter high water is not large.


  • Con - Large seasonal fluctuations, can be difficult to navigate in summer time due to low water levels.


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Extreme high flow 1284
Expected annual high 560
Average flow 268
Excess over expect high 724
Excess over average 1016
Ratio over expect high 1.29
Ratio over average 3.79


Examples of bad rivers



Continental river with large, dry basin



Example Arkansas River in the US, measured at Little Rock. In the interior US, random thunderstorms lasting for a few days can cause serious flooding, usually in spring or early summer.



Extreme high flow 8220
Expected annual high 2044
Average flow 1066
Excess over expect high 6176
Excess over average 7145
Ratio over expect high 3.02
Ratio over average 6.71


Continental river with enormous spring snowmelt



Example - Tom River measured at Tomsk, in Siberia. While the high river levels with snowmelt is relatively predictable, it is still very large compared to regular river levels.



Extreme high flow 7500
Expected annual high 4622
Average flow 1047
Excess over expect high 2878
Excess over average 6453
Ratio over expect high 0.62
Ratio over average 6.16


River in Monsoon area



Example - Vijayawada river in southern India measured at its mouth. While the timing of the monsoon is predictable, its magnitude is not. An erratic monsoon can produce spectacular flooding.



Extreme high flow 16555 
Expected annual high 6266
Average flow 1642
Excess over expect high 10289
Excess over average 14913
Ratio over expect high 1.64
Ratio over average 9.08





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  • Also rivers and lakes that freeze damming water behind them to be released in flood.
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  1. Build it massively over capacity

This is the expensive option, and would be really hard to get through your funding committee. Though of course it would have to be built above "normal" capacity to handle day to day fluctuations in flow. "Flooding" is basically the point at which your system is over capacity, if the capacity of your system is high enough it will never flood.



  1. Beavers

This is one of the flooding prevention options. We've mostly killed off the beavers, but they provide an important service where they still exist. Their dams slow the river flow and hold back floods to smaller areas upstream. This slowed flow means that it never builds up to the point of flooding in downstream areas.



  1. More vegetation in your river catchment

Another flood prevention option. The more permanent vegetation, the slower the rainwater reaches the river. Again meaning that even with heavy rains the water filters down to the river at a more measured rate and never builds up to the point of flooding further downriver.



  1. Don't build on the floodplain

Leave the river space to flood. This sounds like a very simple and obvious option but you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river. Even new build is still going up on the floodplains.



  1. Accept that it's going to flood sometimes

I spent a portion of my early childhood living in a house on legs. Under the centre of the building was a staircase leading up to the house, with legs around the outside.






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    You can make the residents be the beavers by building those catchment dams upstream (and even use them for power gen depending on terrain)
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  • "you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river." - not really, seeing as flood plains are the flattest and most fertile areas availiable to set down roots and start building communities.
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  • 2. Beavers, except when the beaver dam breaks...
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What if it's more about the city's design that the river's ?



Any body of water can overflow.



A city that could float, though, wouldn't necessarily suffer from this - it could just rise with the waters.






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  • What would a city that could float look like, especially considering that it's probably going to be on solid ground most of the time? Would this have a reasonable cost, considering you need to specifically design an entire city for this?
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This is not as complicated as it seems and a wholee lot more work then it seems



Your Tunnel



First off you need to design the tunnel to meet your requirements whatever they may be, Rivers want to find the easiest and shortest route to lower ground every turn in the river slows it down fractionally. so make your tunnel nice and straight. but as few blockages like grates and covers in the tunnel as possible this will allow the water to flow freely without impediment and also stop anything that gets washed down the tunnel from creating a blockage.



Overflow Pipes



Have these staggered along the the length of the tunnel, should water reach high enough then it will fall into these overflow pipes and out of the tunnel. have these every so often so that if 1 somehow gets overwehlemed for some reason the water will then drop into the next one and the next one etc etc.



These pipes should lead to either a second much large tunnel that would spend a lot of time mostly empty, or out of the city and into another river somewhere else.



Flow Control



This is one of the most important parts have something like a Dam or series of Dams upriver from your city, this will ensure enough water can enter your tunnel but stop or at least limit flash flooding. obviously build your Dam how they try to build them in real life, with overflow piping and the ability to divert water elsewhere if required.



So long as you build it along these lines then your city should be fine. although there is always the old proverb about "best laid Plans"






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    Have a restricted entry for the river - for example, it passes through a hole in the bottom of a wall.



    If the river starts to flood, then the hole limits the amount of water that can come through into the city portion of the river, while the wall redirects the flood waters to tributaries or around the city (into a moat?)



    The river then exits through a matching hole at the other end of the city, and (optionally) rejoins the overflow.



    (The flow rate of water through the hole when it is submerged should be slightly under 14 * Size_of_Hole * Height_of_Water_above_Hole m3s-1. Build your wall and the flood-plains alongside it accordingly.)



    Similarly - if you have a deep /wide ditch or gorge around your city, you have bring the water in via an aqueduct, which will overflow into the gorge in case of a flood, instead of into your city.






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    • Works fine if one city does it. If every city does it, and then embankments are used to protect the roads, and then farmers decide to protect their fields, you get the modern Mississippi. The reduction of available channel area means that floods are much deeper than they were before everyone started building walls.
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    Build a top water limit for the river, like a roof.

    When the initial river overflows, at the river will contain always the same amount of water, while the overflow water will go somewhere else.

    You can even make the roof out of glas, so you have a modern view of the river



    Hope this helps:)






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      This actually pretty hard to do. Here's why: Water flows downstream. You need a difference in water level between upstream and downstream of your city. Flow through a pipe is essentially a rather complicated function - typically you use the Darcy Weissbach equation in combination with a Moody chart - of this level difference. Approximately, the head loss, or required level difference between upstream and downstream, quadruples when you double the flowrate.



      In open flows like rivers the relationship is far more complicated because with higher flow rate the river bed or channel is usually filled more, which means less then quadruple head loss for double flow rate. Open channel flow is not trivial but please read around a bit



      What does this mean for your city?



      Let's take one of the rivers from Kingledions answer, the Seine with low flow around 100 m³/s, average flow of 280 m³/s and extreme flow of 1280 m³/s



      It's often a good idea to look at flow systems starting downstream. Let's say at average flow conditions you have a downstream water level of 50m above sea level. You city is 5 km across, really small. This calculator tells me, with an 8m diameter, 5km long pipe, my pressure loss is 72.445 Pa wich is equivalent to a head loss of 7.2 m. So my upstream reservoir level will be 57.2 m at average conditions.



      Now, let's take the extreme flow, now I have 1513.962 Pa - 15m! We need a dike between our upstream reservoir that's 65m above sea level, and 7 m above the normal level of the lake or what have you. Actually more, because at extreme flows the downstream level will be higher too, by a few m!



      I suggest a second channel or even third that's only opened at high flow events, also play around with the sizing of the pipes.



      On the other hand, what happens at low flow? At normal flow, we have a flow velocity of 3.6 m/s . At low flow - 100 m³/s - the flow velocity is 1.3 m/s. The DWA-M 275 (An industrial code, Germany, for designing piping systems in wastewater treatemtn plants that I happebn to have open at the moment) advises a flow velocity of at least 2m/s for raw sewage. Why? Sedimentation! at lower flow velocities, sand etc. will sediment and remain in the pipe. In actuality I don't see this problem, because in all likelyhood your pipe will be the fastest streaming part of the river system.



      Environmental impact assessment



      The pipe will stop migrating fish, at least most of the time, from swimming upstream. This could seriously impact aquatic ecosystems along your river.






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      • Also the intake works would probably need bar screens or similar to protect the pipes from large debris that might block them (trees etc), also to maybe safe people before they get sucked in, this would add to the head loss and introduce many additional engineering headaches.
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      The easiest solution is to build your city where existing geography supports your goals. The most obvious (and extreme) example of an overflow-proof river on Earth would be the Grand Canyon in the Southwestern United States. With the walls of the canyon rising an average of 670 meters above the river bed, there’s no chance of it overflowing a hypothetical city built above it.



      You’d want something similar, though probably not as extreme - a river cutting through (and eroding) hard rocks to create high, nearly vertical canyon walls that prevent overflow. The specific rocks and age of the river would determine how high the canyon walls are, so adjust as desired. It took the Grand Canyon anywhere between 6 and 70 million years (depending on who you ask) to develop into its current state, so adjust your time scale as necessary and you’ll get what you want.






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        You can realize a large basin upstream, where you can divert the excess water during overflow time.



        You can then opt for:



        • leaking that excess water on a path avoiding the city, going through expendable areas

        • let that water drain through the terrain

        First one is preferred, as in case of exceptionally extreme cases, you might prefer flooding low value areas instead of the city. Of course you need to take care that no abusive buildings are built in the area designated for being flooded.






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          Reservoirs and canals, basically. One question though: what’s an abusive building??
          – Joe Bloggs
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          @JoeBloggs, it is a building built without the needed permissions or in violation of the local building regulation
          – L.Dutch
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          Aaah! I was just picturing a building with nasty graffiti..
          – Joe Bloggs
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        • @JoeBloggs which may be the result after the occupants are evicted and no-one is willing to pony up the cost of the demolition.
          – ratchet freak
          11 hours ago






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          A Dutch answering a question on handling water; seems legit ;)
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        You can realize a large basin upstream, where you can divert the excess water during overflow time.



        You can then opt for:



        • leaking that excess water on a path avoiding the city, going through expendable areas

        • let that water drain through the terrain

        First one is preferred, as in case of exceptionally extreme cases, you might prefer flooding low value areas instead of the city. Of course you need to take care that no abusive buildings are built in the area designated for being flooded.






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          Reservoirs and canals, basically. One question though: what’s an abusive building??
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          @JoeBloggs, it is a building built without the needed permissions or in violation of the local building regulation
          – L.Dutch
          12 hours ago






        • 1




          Aaah! I was just picturing a building with nasty graffiti..
          – Joe Bloggs
          12 hours ago










        • @JoeBloggs which may be the result after the occupants are evicted and no-one is willing to pony up the cost of the demolition.
          – ratchet freak
          11 hours ago






        • 4




          A Dutch answering a question on handling water; seems legit ;)
          – Matthieu M.
          9 hours ago












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        You can realize a large basin upstream, where you can divert the excess water during overflow time.



        You can then opt for:



        • leaking that excess water on a path avoiding the city, going through expendable areas

        • let that water drain through the terrain

        First one is preferred, as in case of exceptionally extreme cases, you might prefer flooding low value areas instead of the city. Of course you need to take care that no abusive buildings are built in the area designated for being flooded.






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        You can realize a large basin upstream, where you can divert the excess water during overflow time.



        You can then opt for:



        • leaking that excess water on a path avoiding the city, going through expendable areas

        • let that water drain through the terrain

        First one is preferred, as in case of exceptionally extreme cases, you might prefer flooding low value areas instead of the city. Of course you need to take care that no abusive buildings are built in the area designated for being flooded.







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          Reservoirs and canals, basically. One question though: what’s an abusive building??
          – Joe Bloggs
          13 hours ago






        • 1




          @JoeBloggs, it is a building built without the needed permissions or in violation of the local building regulation
          – L.Dutch
          12 hours ago






        • 1




          Aaah! I was just picturing a building with nasty graffiti..
          – Joe Bloggs
          12 hours ago










        • @JoeBloggs which may be the result after the occupants are evicted and no-one is willing to pony up the cost of the demolition.
          – ratchet freak
          11 hours ago






        • 4




          A Dutch answering a question on handling water; seems legit ;)
          – Matthieu M.
          9 hours ago












        • 2




          Reservoirs and canals, basically. One question though: what’s an abusive building??
          – Joe Bloggs
          13 hours ago






        • 1




          @JoeBloggs, it is a building built without the needed permissions or in violation of the local building regulation
          – L.Dutch
          12 hours ago






        • 1




          Aaah! I was just picturing a building with nasty graffiti..
          – Joe Bloggs
          12 hours ago










        • @JoeBloggs which may be the result after the occupants are evicted and no-one is willing to pony up the cost of the demolition.
          – ratchet freak
          11 hours ago






        • 4




          A Dutch answering a question on handling water; seems legit ;)
          – Matthieu M.
          9 hours ago







        2




        2




        Reservoirs and canals, basically. One question though: what’s an abusive building??
        – Joe Bloggs
        13 hours ago




        Reservoirs and canals, basically. One question though: what’s an abusive building??
        – Joe Bloggs
        13 hours ago




        1




        1




        @JoeBloggs, it is a building built without the needed permissions or in violation of the local building regulation
        – L.Dutch
        12 hours ago




        @JoeBloggs, it is a building built without the needed permissions or in violation of the local building regulation
        – L.Dutch
        12 hours ago




        1




        1




        Aaah! I was just picturing a building with nasty graffiti..
        – Joe Bloggs
        12 hours ago




        Aaah! I was just picturing a building with nasty graffiti..
        – Joe Bloggs
        12 hours ago












        @JoeBloggs which may be the result after the occupants are evicted and no-one is willing to pony up the cost of the demolition.
        – ratchet freak
        11 hours ago




        @JoeBloggs which may be the result after the occupants are evicted and no-one is willing to pony up the cost of the demolition.
        – ratchet freak
        11 hours ago




        4




        4




        A Dutch answering a question on handling water; seems legit ;)
        – Matthieu M.
        9 hours ago




        A Dutch answering a question on handling water; seems legit ;)
        – Matthieu M.
        9 hours ago










        up vote
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        Rivers with stable flow (with data source)



        River downstream of a large lake



        • The larger the lake, the most stable the flow out of it. Also, it helps that the lake be in a temperate environment, oo water input into the lake doesn't vary too much. The lake can freeze over, as can the outlet river, without really affecting flow much; this happens in the case of the example.


        • Example - Saint Mary River (between Lake Superior and Lake Huron in US/Canada) at Sault Ste. Marie. Other good examples are the Rhone downstream of Lake Geneva, and the Neva downstream of Lake Ladoga.


        • Pro - Very stable flow rate, year round (assuming the lakes don't freeze). Low ratio and magnitude of seasonal fluctuations. When improved with canals and locks, this makes for a great trading city.


        • Con - In many cases, these outlet rivers are steep and un-navigable.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 3590
        Expected annual high 2385
        Average flow 2142
        Excess over expect high 1205
        Excess over average 1448
        Ratio over expect high 0.51
        Ratio over average 0.68


        (Note, all units are in cubic meters per second, except ratio)



        Large tropical river



        • A large tropical river where half of the river basin is in each hemisphere. As the monsoon rains are pushed by the Intertropical Convergence Zone back and forth between the hemispheres, you will end up with relatively stable rainfall throughout the year.


        • Example - Congo River measured at Kinshasa.


        • Pros - Very low seasonal flow variance. Also, an enormous basin for river-borne trade with the city.


        • Cons - Very high magnitude of flow variance. When the river is this big, even a little bit of flooding is a big deal.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 80832
        Expected annual high 56081
        Average flow 39536
        Excess over expect high 24751
        Excess over average 41296
        Ratio over expect high 0.44
        Ratio over average 1.04


        A temperate river with little snowmelt



        • The next best scenario is a river with a small basin with constant, low level rainfall, and little snow accumulation.


        • Example - Seine River at Paris.


        • Pro - Despite being a big enough river for a truly large city, the magnitude of highest recorded flood to average winter high water is not large.


        • Con - Large seasonal fluctuations, can be difficult to navigate in summer time due to low water levels.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 1284
        Expected annual high 560
        Average flow 268
        Excess over expect high 724
        Excess over average 1016
        Ratio over expect high 1.29
        Ratio over average 3.79


        Examples of bad rivers



        Continental river with large, dry basin



        Example Arkansas River in the US, measured at Little Rock. In the interior US, random thunderstorms lasting for a few days can cause serious flooding, usually in spring or early summer.



        Extreme high flow 8220
        Expected annual high 2044
        Average flow 1066
        Excess over expect high 6176
        Excess over average 7145
        Ratio over expect high 3.02
        Ratio over average 6.71


        Continental river with enormous spring snowmelt



        Example - Tom River measured at Tomsk, in Siberia. While the high river levels with snowmelt is relatively predictable, it is still very large compared to regular river levels.



        Extreme high flow 7500
        Expected annual high 4622
        Average flow 1047
        Excess over expect high 2878
        Excess over average 6453
        Ratio over expect high 0.62
        Ratio over average 6.16


        River in Monsoon area



        Example - Vijayawada river in southern India measured at its mouth. While the timing of the monsoon is predictable, its magnitude is not. An erratic monsoon can produce spectacular flooding.



        Extreme high flow 16555 
        Expected annual high 6266
        Average flow 1642
        Excess over expect high 10289
        Excess over average 14913
        Ratio over expect high 1.64
        Ratio over average 9.08





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        • Also rivers and lakes that freeze damming water behind them to be released in flood.
          – KalleMP
          3 hours ago














        up vote
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        Rivers with stable flow (with data source)



        River downstream of a large lake



        • The larger the lake, the most stable the flow out of it. Also, it helps that the lake be in a temperate environment, oo water input into the lake doesn't vary too much. The lake can freeze over, as can the outlet river, without really affecting flow much; this happens in the case of the example.


        • Example - Saint Mary River (between Lake Superior and Lake Huron in US/Canada) at Sault Ste. Marie. Other good examples are the Rhone downstream of Lake Geneva, and the Neva downstream of Lake Ladoga.


        • Pro - Very stable flow rate, year round (assuming the lakes don't freeze). Low ratio and magnitude of seasonal fluctuations. When improved with canals and locks, this makes for a great trading city.


        • Con - In many cases, these outlet rivers are steep and un-navigable.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 3590
        Expected annual high 2385
        Average flow 2142
        Excess over expect high 1205
        Excess over average 1448
        Ratio over expect high 0.51
        Ratio over average 0.68


        (Note, all units are in cubic meters per second, except ratio)



        Large tropical river



        • A large tropical river where half of the river basin is in each hemisphere. As the monsoon rains are pushed by the Intertropical Convergence Zone back and forth between the hemispheres, you will end up with relatively stable rainfall throughout the year.


        • Example - Congo River measured at Kinshasa.


        • Pros - Very low seasonal flow variance. Also, an enormous basin for river-borne trade with the city.


        • Cons - Very high magnitude of flow variance. When the river is this big, even a little bit of flooding is a big deal.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 80832
        Expected annual high 56081
        Average flow 39536
        Excess over expect high 24751
        Excess over average 41296
        Ratio over expect high 0.44
        Ratio over average 1.04


        A temperate river with little snowmelt



        • The next best scenario is a river with a small basin with constant, low level rainfall, and little snow accumulation.


        • Example - Seine River at Paris.


        • Pro - Despite being a big enough river for a truly large city, the magnitude of highest recorded flood to average winter high water is not large.


        • Con - Large seasonal fluctuations, can be difficult to navigate in summer time due to low water levels.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 1284
        Expected annual high 560
        Average flow 268
        Excess over expect high 724
        Excess over average 1016
        Ratio over expect high 1.29
        Ratio over average 3.79


        Examples of bad rivers



        Continental river with large, dry basin



        Example Arkansas River in the US, measured at Little Rock. In the interior US, random thunderstorms lasting for a few days can cause serious flooding, usually in spring or early summer.



        Extreme high flow 8220
        Expected annual high 2044
        Average flow 1066
        Excess over expect high 6176
        Excess over average 7145
        Ratio over expect high 3.02
        Ratio over average 6.71


        Continental river with enormous spring snowmelt



        Example - Tom River measured at Tomsk, in Siberia. While the high river levels with snowmelt is relatively predictable, it is still very large compared to regular river levels.



        Extreme high flow 7500
        Expected annual high 4622
        Average flow 1047
        Excess over expect high 2878
        Excess over average 6453
        Ratio over expect high 0.62
        Ratio over average 6.16


        River in Monsoon area



        Example - Vijayawada river in southern India measured at its mouth. While the timing of the monsoon is predictable, its magnitude is not. An erratic monsoon can produce spectacular flooding.



        Extreme high flow 16555 
        Expected annual high 6266
        Average flow 1642
        Excess over expect high 10289
        Excess over average 14913
        Ratio over expect high 1.64
        Ratio over average 9.08





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        • Also rivers and lakes that freeze damming water behind them to be released in flood.
          – KalleMP
          3 hours ago












        up vote
        9
        down vote










        up vote
        9
        down vote









        Rivers with stable flow (with data source)



        River downstream of a large lake



        • The larger the lake, the most stable the flow out of it. Also, it helps that the lake be in a temperate environment, oo water input into the lake doesn't vary too much. The lake can freeze over, as can the outlet river, without really affecting flow much; this happens in the case of the example.


        • Example - Saint Mary River (between Lake Superior and Lake Huron in US/Canada) at Sault Ste. Marie. Other good examples are the Rhone downstream of Lake Geneva, and the Neva downstream of Lake Ladoga.


        • Pro - Very stable flow rate, year round (assuming the lakes don't freeze). Low ratio and magnitude of seasonal fluctuations. When improved with canals and locks, this makes for a great trading city.


        • Con - In many cases, these outlet rivers are steep and un-navigable.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 3590
        Expected annual high 2385
        Average flow 2142
        Excess over expect high 1205
        Excess over average 1448
        Ratio over expect high 0.51
        Ratio over average 0.68


        (Note, all units are in cubic meters per second, except ratio)



        Large tropical river



        • A large tropical river where half of the river basin is in each hemisphere. As the monsoon rains are pushed by the Intertropical Convergence Zone back and forth between the hemispheres, you will end up with relatively stable rainfall throughout the year.


        • Example - Congo River measured at Kinshasa.


        • Pros - Very low seasonal flow variance. Also, an enormous basin for river-borne trade with the city.


        • Cons - Very high magnitude of flow variance. When the river is this big, even a little bit of flooding is a big deal.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 80832
        Expected annual high 56081
        Average flow 39536
        Excess over expect high 24751
        Excess over average 41296
        Ratio over expect high 0.44
        Ratio over average 1.04


        A temperate river with little snowmelt



        • The next best scenario is a river with a small basin with constant, low level rainfall, and little snow accumulation.


        • Example - Seine River at Paris.


        • Pro - Despite being a big enough river for a truly large city, the magnitude of highest recorded flood to average winter high water is not large.


        • Con - Large seasonal fluctuations, can be difficult to navigate in summer time due to low water levels.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 1284
        Expected annual high 560
        Average flow 268
        Excess over expect high 724
        Excess over average 1016
        Ratio over expect high 1.29
        Ratio over average 3.79


        Examples of bad rivers



        Continental river with large, dry basin



        Example Arkansas River in the US, measured at Little Rock. In the interior US, random thunderstorms lasting for a few days can cause serious flooding, usually in spring or early summer.



        Extreme high flow 8220
        Expected annual high 2044
        Average flow 1066
        Excess over expect high 6176
        Excess over average 7145
        Ratio over expect high 3.02
        Ratio over average 6.71


        Continental river with enormous spring snowmelt



        Example - Tom River measured at Tomsk, in Siberia. While the high river levels with snowmelt is relatively predictable, it is still very large compared to regular river levels.



        Extreme high flow 7500
        Expected annual high 4622
        Average flow 1047
        Excess over expect high 2878
        Excess over average 6453
        Ratio over expect high 0.62
        Ratio over average 6.16


        River in Monsoon area



        Example - Vijayawada river in southern India measured at its mouth. While the timing of the monsoon is predictable, its magnitude is not. An erratic monsoon can produce spectacular flooding.



        Extreme high flow 16555 
        Expected annual high 6266
        Average flow 1642
        Excess over expect high 10289
        Excess over average 14913
        Ratio over expect high 1.64
        Ratio over average 9.08





        share|improve this answer














        Rivers with stable flow (with data source)



        River downstream of a large lake



        • The larger the lake, the most stable the flow out of it. Also, it helps that the lake be in a temperate environment, oo water input into the lake doesn't vary too much. The lake can freeze over, as can the outlet river, without really affecting flow much; this happens in the case of the example.


        • Example - Saint Mary River (between Lake Superior and Lake Huron in US/Canada) at Sault Ste. Marie. Other good examples are the Rhone downstream of Lake Geneva, and the Neva downstream of Lake Ladoga.


        • Pro - Very stable flow rate, year round (assuming the lakes don't freeze). Low ratio and magnitude of seasonal fluctuations. When improved with canals and locks, this makes for a great trading city.


        • Con - In many cases, these outlet rivers are steep and un-navigable.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 3590
        Expected annual high 2385
        Average flow 2142
        Excess over expect high 1205
        Excess over average 1448
        Ratio over expect high 0.51
        Ratio over average 0.68


        (Note, all units are in cubic meters per second, except ratio)



        Large tropical river



        • A large tropical river where half of the river basin is in each hemisphere. As the monsoon rains are pushed by the Intertropical Convergence Zone back and forth between the hemispheres, you will end up with relatively stable rainfall throughout the year.


        • Example - Congo River measured at Kinshasa.


        • Pros - Very low seasonal flow variance. Also, an enormous basin for river-borne trade with the city.


        • Cons - Very high magnitude of flow variance. When the river is this big, even a little bit of flooding is a big deal.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 80832
        Expected annual high 56081
        Average flow 39536
        Excess over expect high 24751
        Excess over average 41296
        Ratio over expect high 0.44
        Ratio over average 1.04


        A temperate river with little snowmelt



        • The next best scenario is a river with a small basin with constant, low level rainfall, and little snow accumulation.


        • Example - Seine River at Paris.


        • Pro - Despite being a big enough river for a truly large city, the magnitude of highest recorded flood to average winter high water is not large.


        • Con - Large seasonal fluctuations, can be difficult to navigate in summer time due to low water levels.


        enter image description here



        Extreme high flow 1284
        Expected annual high 560
        Average flow 268
        Excess over expect high 724
        Excess over average 1016
        Ratio over expect high 1.29
        Ratio over average 3.79


        Examples of bad rivers



        Continental river with large, dry basin



        Example Arkansas River in the US, measured at Little Rock. In the interior US, random thunderstorms lasting for a few days can cause serious flooding, usually in spring or early summer.



        Extreme high flow 8220
        Expected annual high 2044
        Average flow 1066
        Excess over expect high 6176
        Excess over average 7145
        Ratio over expect high 3.02
        Ratio over average 6.71


        Continental river with enormous spring snowmelt



        Example - Tom River measured at Tomsk, in Siberia. While the high river levels with snowmelt is relatively predictable, it is still very large compared to regular river levels.



        Extreme high flow 7500
        Expected annual high 4622
        Average flow 1047
        Excess over expect high 2878
        Excess over average 6453
        Ratio over expect high 0.62
        Ratio over average 6.16


        River in Monsoon area



        Example - Vijayawada river in southern India measured at its mouth. While the timing of the monsoon is predictable, its magnitude is not. An erratic monsoon can produce spectacular flooding.



        Extreme high flow 16555 
        Expected annual high 6266
        Average flow 1642
        Excess over expect high 10289
        Excess over average 14913
        Ratio over expect high 1.64
        Ratio over average 9.08






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        • Also rivers and lakes that freeze damming water behind them to be released in flood.
          – KalleMP
          3 hours ago
















        • Also rivers and lakes that freeze damming water behind them to be released in flood.
          – KalleMP
          3 hours ago















        Also rivers and lakes that freeze damming water behind them to be released in flood.
        – KalleMP
        3 hours ago




        Also rivers and lakes that freeze damming water behind them to be released in flood.
        – KalleMP
        3 hours ago










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        1. Build it massively over capacity

        This is the expensive option, and would be really hard to get through your funding committee. Though of course it would have to be built above "normal" capacity to handle day to day fluctuations in flow. "Flooding" is basically the point at which your system is over capacity, if the capacity of your system is high enough it will never flood.



        1. Beavers

        This is one of the flooding prevention options. We've mostly killed off the beavers, but they provide an important service where they still exist. Their dams slow the river flow and hold back floods to smaller areas upstream. This slowed flow means that it never builds up to the point of flooding in downstream areas.



        1. More vegetation in your river catchment

        Another flood prevention option. The more permanent vegetation, the slower the rainwater reaches the river. Again meaning that even with heavy rains the water filters down to the river at a more measured rate and never builds up to the point of flooding further downriver.



        1. Don't build on the floodplain

        Leave the river space to flood. This sounds like a very simple and obvious option but you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river. Even new build is still going up on the floodplains.



        1. Accept that it's going to flood sometimes

        I spent a portion of my early childhood living in a house on legs. Under the centre of the building was a staircase leading up to the house, with legs around the outside.






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          You can make the residents be the beavers by building those catchment dams upstream (and even use them for power gen depending on terrain)
          – ratchet freak
          11 hours ago










        • "you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river." - not really, seeing as flood plains are the flattest and most fertile areas availiable to set down roots and start building communities.
          – Baldrickk
          6 hours ago










        • 2. Beavers, except when the beaver dam breaks...
          – Draco18s
          4 hours ago














        up vote
        8
        down vote













        1. Build it massively over capacity

        This is the expensive option, and would be really hard to get through your funding committee. Though of course it would have to be built above "normal" capacity to handle day to day fluctuations in flow. "Flooding" is basically the point at which your system is over capacity, if the capacity of your system is high enough it will never flood.



        1. Beavers

        This is one of the flooding prevention options. We've mostly killed off the beavers, but they provide an important service where they still exist. Their dams slow the river flow and hold back floods to smaller areas upstream. This slowed flow means that it never builds up to the point of flooding in downstream areas.



        1. More vegetation in your river catchment

        Another flood prevention option. The more permanent vegetation, the slower the rainwater reaches the river. Again meaning that even with heavy rains the water filters down to the river at a more measured rate and never builds up to the point of flooding further downriver.



        1. Don't build on the floodplain

        Leave the river space to flood. This sounds like a very simple and obvious option but you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river. Even new build is still going up on the floodplains.



        1. Accept that it's going to flood sometimes

        I spent a portion of my early childhood living in a house on legs. Under the centre of the building was a staircase leading up to the house, with legs around the outside.






        share|improve this answer


















        • 2




          You can make the residents be the beavers by building those catchment dams upstream (and even use them for power gen depending on terrain)
          – ratchet freak
          11 hours ago










        • "you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river." - not really, seeing as flood plains are the flattest and most fertile areas availiable to set down roots and start building communities.
          – Baldrickk
          6 hours ago










        • 2. Beavers, except when the beaver dam breaks...
          – Draco18s
          4 hours ago












        up vote
        8
        down vote










        up vote
        8
        down vote









        1. Build it massively over capacity

        This is the expensive option, and would be really hard to get through your funding committee. Though of course it would have to be built above "normal" capacity to handle day to day fluctuations in flow. "Flooding" is basically the point at which your system is over capacity, if the capacity of your system is high enough it will never flood.



        1. Beavers

        This is one of the flooding prevention options. We've mostly killed off the beavers, but they provide an important service where they still exist. Their dams slow the river flow and hold back floods to smaller areas upstream. This slowed flow means that it never builds up to the point of flooding in downstream areas.



        1. More vegetation in your river catchment

        Another flood prevention option. The more permanent vegetation, the slower the rainwater reaches the river. Again meaning that even with heavy rains the water filters down to the river at a more measured rate and never builds up to the point of flooding further downriver.



        1. Don't build on the floodplain

        Leave the river space to flood. This sounds like a very simple and obvious option but you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river. Even new build is still going up on the floodplains.



        1. Accept that it's going to flood sometimes

        I spent a portion of my early childhood living in a house on legs. Under the centre of the building was a staircase leading up to the house, with legs around the outside.






        share|improve this answer














        1. Build it massively over capacity

        This is the expensive option, and would be really hard to get through your funding committee. Though of course it would have to be built above "normal" capacity to handle day to day fluctuations in flow. "Flooding" is basically the point at which your system is over capacity, if the capacity of your system is high enough it will never flood.



        1. Beavers

        This is one of the flooding prevention options. We've mostly killed off the beavers, but they provide an important service where they still exist. Their dams slow the river flow and hold back floods to smaller areas upstream. This slowed flow means that it never builds up to the point of flooding in downstream areas.



        1. More vegetation in your river catchment

        Another flood prevention option. The more permanent vegetation, the slower the rainwater reaches the river. Again meaning that even with heavy rains the water filters down to the river at a more measured rate and never builds up to the point of flooding further downriver.



        1. Don't build on the floodplain

        Leave the river space to flood. This sounds like a very simple and obvious option but you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river. Even new build is still going up on the floodplains.



        1. Accept that it's going to flood sometimes

        I spent a portion of my early childhood living in a house on legs. Under the centre of the building was a staircase leading up to the house, with legs around the outside.







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        answered 12 hours ago









        Separatrix

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        • 2




          You can make the residents be the beavers by building those catchment dams upstream (and even use them for power gen depending on terrain)
          – ratchet freak
          11 hours ago










        • "you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river." - not really, seeing as flood plains are the flattest and most fertile areas availiable to set down roots and start building communities.
          – Baldrickk
          6 hours ago










        • 2. Beavers, except when the beaver dam breaks...
          – Draco18s
          4 hours ago












        • 2




          You can make the residents be the beavers by building those catchment dams upstream (and even use them for power gen depending on terrain)
          – ratchet freak
          11 hours ago










        • "you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river." - not really, seeing as flood plains are the flattest and most fertile areas availiable to set down roots and start building communities.
          – Baldrickk
          6 hours ago










        • 2. Beavers, except when the beaver dam breaks...
          – Draco18s
          4 hours ago







        2




        2




        You can make the residents be the beavers by building those catchment dams upstream (and even use them for power gen depending on terrain)
        – ratchet freak
        11 hours ago




        You can make the residents be the beavers by building those catchment dams upstream (and even use them for power gen depending on terrain)
        – ratchet freak
        11 hours ago












        "you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river." - not really, seeing as flood plains are the flattest and most fertile areas availiable to set down roots and start building communities.
        – Baldrickk
        6 hours ago




        "you'd be amazed how many cities are built on the main floodplain of their river." - not really, seeing as flood plains are the flattest and most fertile areas availiable to set down roots and start building communities.
        – Baldrickk
        6 hours ago












        2. Beavers, except when the beaver dam breaks...
        – Draco18s
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        2. Beavers, except when the beaver dam breaks...
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        What if it's more about the city's design that the river's ?



        Any body of water can overflow.



        A city that could float, though, wouldn't necessarily suffer from this - it could just rise with the waters.






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        • What would a city that could float look like, especially considering that it's probably going to be on solid ground most of the time? Would this have a reasonable cost, considering you need to specifically design an entire city for this?
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        What if it's more about the city's design that the river's ?



        Any body of water can overflow.



        A city that could float, though, wouldn't necessarily suffer from this - it could just rise with the waters.






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        Any body of water can overflow.



        A city that could float, though, wouldn't necessarily suffer from this - it could just rise with the waters.






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        What if it's more about the city's design that the river's ?



        Any body of water can overflow.



        A city that could float, though, wouldn't necessarily suffer from this - it could just rise with the waters.







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        • This answer has been automatically flagged as low-quality due to it's length. Try expanding on it; there's definitely something to this.
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        • What would a city that could float look like, especially considering that it's probably going to be on solid ground most of the time? Would this have a reasonable cost, considering you need to specifically design an entire city for this?
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        • What would a city that could float look like, especially considering that it's probably going to be on solid ground most of the time? Would this have a reasonable cost, considering you need to specifically design an entire city for this?
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        This answer has been automatically flagged as low-quality due to it's length. Try expanding on it; there's definitely something to this.
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        This answer has been automatically flagged as low-quality due to it's length. Try expanding on it; there's definitely something to this.
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        What would a city that could float look like, especially considering that it's probably going to be on solid ground most of the time? Would this have a reasonable cost, considering you need to specifically design an entire city for this?
        – NotThatGuy
        9 hours ago





        What would a city that could float look like, especially considering that it's probably going to be on solid ground most of the time? Would this have a reasonable cost, considering you need to specifically design an entire city for this?
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        This is not as complicated as it seems and a wholee lot more work then it seems



        Your Tunnel



        First off you need to design the tunnel to meet your requirements whatever they may be, Rivers want to find the easiest and shortest route to lower ground every turn in the river slows it down fractionally. so make your tunnel nice and straight. but as few blockages like grates and covers in the tunnel as possible this will allow the water to flow freely without impediment and also stop anything that gets washed down the tunnel from creating a blockage.



        Overflow Pipes



        Have these staggered along the the length of the tunnel, should water reach high enough then it will fall into these overflow pipes and out of the tunnel. have these every so often so that if 1 somehow gets overwehlemed for some reason the water will then drop into the next one and the next one etc etc.



        These pipes should lead to either a second much large tunnel that would spend a lot of time mostly empty, or out of the city and into another river somewhere else.



        Flow Control



        This is one of the most important parts have something like a Dam or series of Dams upriver from your city, this will ensure enough water can enter your tunnel but stop or at least limit flash flooding. obviously build your Dam how they try to build them in real life, with overflow piping and the ability to divert water elsewhere if required.



        So long as you build it along these lines then your city should be fine. although there is always the old proverb about "best laid Plans"






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          This is not as complicated as it seems and a wholee lot more work then it seems



          Your Tunnel



          First off you need to design the tunnel to meet your requirements whatever they may be, Rivers want to find the easiest and shortest route to lower ground every turn in the river slows it down fractionally. so make your tunnel nice and straight. but as few blockages like grates and covers in the tunnel as possible this will allow the water to flow freely without impediment and also stop anything that gets washed down the tunnel from creating a blockage.



          Overflow Pipes



          Have these staggered along the the length of the tunnel, should water reach high enough then it will fall into these overflow pipes and out of the tunnel. have these every so often so that if 1 somehow gets overwehlemed for some reason the water will then drop into the next one and the next one etc etc.



          These pipes should lead to either a second much large tunnel that would spend a lot of time mostly empty, or out of the city and into another river somewhere else.



          Flow Control



          This is one of the most important parts have something like a Dam or series of Dams upriver from your city, this will ensure enough water can enter your tunnel but stop or at least limit flash flooding. obviously build your Dam how they try to build them in real life, with overflow piping and the ability to divert water elsewhere if required.



          So long as you build it along these lines then your city should be fine. although there is always the old proverb about "best laid Plans"






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            This is not as complicated as it seems and a wholee lot more work then it seems



            Your Tunnel



            First off you need to design the tunnel to meet your requirements whatever they may be, Rivers want to find the easiest and shortest route to lower ground every turn in the river slows it down fractionally. so make your tunnel nice and straight. but as few blockages like grates and covers in the tunnel as possible this will allow the water to flow freely without impediment and also stop anything that gets washed down the tunnel from creating a blockage.



            Overflow Pipes



            Have these staggered along the the length of the tunnel, should water reach high enough then it will fall into these overflow pipes and out of the tunnel. have these every so often so that if 1 somehow gets overwehlemed for some reason the water will then drop into the next one and the next one etc etc.



            These pipes should lead to either a second much large tunnel that would spend a lot of time mostly empty, or out of the city and into another river somewhere else.



            Flow Control



            This is one of the most important parts have something like a Dam or series of Dams upriver from your city, this will ensure enough water can enter your tunnel but stop or at least limit flash flooding. obviously build your Dam how they try to build them in real life, with overflow piping and the ability to divert water elsewhere if required.



            So long as you build it along these lines then your city should be fine. although there is always the old proverb about "best laid Plans"






            share|improve this answer














            This is not as complicated as it seems and a wholee lot more work then it seems



            Your Tunnel



            First off you need to design the tunnel to meet your requirements whatever they may be, Rivers want to find the easiest and shortest route to lower ground every turn in the river slows it down fractionally. so make your tunnel nice and straight. but as few blockages like grates and covers in the tunnel as possible this will allow the water to flow freely without impediment and also stop anything that gets washed down the tunnel from creating a blockage.



            Overflow Pipes



            Have these staggered along the the length of the tunnel, should water reach high enough then it will fall into these overflow pipes and out of the tunnel. have these every so often so that if 1 somehow gets overwehlemed for some reason the water will then drop into the next one and the next one etc etc.



            These pipes should lead to either a second much large tunnel that would spend a lot of time mostly empty, or out of the city and into another river somewhere else.



            Flow Control



            This is one of the most important parts have something like a Dam or series of Dams upriver from your city, this will ensure enough water can enter your tunnel but stop or at least limit flash flooding. obviously build your Dam how they try to build them in real life, with overflow piping and the ability to divert water elsewhere if required.



            So long as you build it along these lines then your city should be fine. although there is always the old proverb about "best laid Plans"







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                Have a restricted entry for the river - for example, it passes through a hole in the bottom of a wall.



                If the river starts to flood, then the hole limits the amount of water that can come through into the city portion of the river, while the wall redirects the flood waters to tributaries or around the city (into a moat?)



                The river then exits through a matching hole at the other end of the city, and (optionally) rejoins the overflow.



                (The flow rate of water through the hole when it is submerged should be slightly under 14 * Size_of_Hole * Height_of_Water_above_Hole m3s-1. Build your wall and the flood-plains alongside it accordingly.)



                Similarly - if you have a deep /wide ditch or gorge around your city, you have bring the water in via an aqueduct, which will overflow into the gorge in case of a flood, instead of into your city.






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                • Works fine if one city does it. If every city does it, and then embankments are used to protect the roads, and then farmers decide to protect their fields, you get the modern Mississippi. The reduction of available channel area means that floods are much deeper than they were before everyone started building walls.
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                Have a restricted entry for the river - for example, it passes through a hole in the bottom of a wall.



                If the river starts to flood, then the hole limits the amount of water that can come through into the city portion of the river, while the wall redirects the flood waters to tributaries or around the city (into a moat?)



                The river then exits through a matching hole at the other end of the city, and (optionally) rejoins the overflow.



                (The flow rate of water through the hole when it is submerged should be slightly under 14 * Size_of_Hole * Height_of_Water_above_Hole m3s-1. Build your wall and the flood-plains alongside it accordingly.)



                Similarly - if you have a deep /wide ditch or gorge around your city, you have bring the water in via an aqueduct, which will overflow into the gorge in case of a flood, instead of into your city.






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                • Works fine if one city does it. If every city does it, and then embankments are used to protect the roads, and then farmers decide to protect their fields, you get the modern Mississippi. The reduction of available channel area means that floods are much deeper than they were before everyone started building walls.
                  – Mark
                  37 mins ago












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                up vote
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                Have a restricted entry for the river - for example, it passes through a hole in the bottom of a wall.



                If the river starts to flood, then the hole limits the amount of water that can come through into the city portion of the river, while the wall redirects the flood waters to tributaries or around the city (into a moat?)



                The river then exits through a matching hole at the other end of the city, and (optionally) rejoins the overflow.



                (The flow rate of water through the hole when it is submerged should be slightly under 14 * Size_of_Hole * Height_of_Water_above_Hole m3s-1. Build your wall and the flood-plains alongside it accordingly.)



                Similarly - if you have a deep /wide ditch or gorge around your city, you have bring the water in via an aqueduct, which will overflow into the gorge in case of a flood, instead of into your city.






                share|improve this answer














                Have a restricted entry for the river - for example, it passes through a hole in the bottom of a wall.



                If the river starts to flood, then the hole limits the amount of water that can come through into the city portion of the river, while the wall redirects the flood waters to tributaries or around the city (into a moat?)



                The river then exits through a matching hole at the other end of the city, and (optionally) rejoins the overflow.



                (The flow rate of water through the hole when it is submerged should be slightly under 14 * Size_of_Hole * Height_of_Water_above_Hole m3s-1. Build your wall and the flood-plains alongside it accordingly.)



                Similarly - if you have a deep /wide ditch or gorge around your city, you have bring the water in via an aqueduct, which will overflow into the gorge in case of a flood, instead of into your city.







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                • Works fine if one city does it. If every city does it, and then embankments are used to protect the roads, and then farmers decide to protect their fields, you get the modern Mississippi. The reduction of available channel area means that floods are much deeper than they were before everyone started building walls.
                  – Mark
                  37 mins ago
















                • Works fine if one city does it. If every city does it, and then embankments are used to protect the roads, and then farmers decide to protect their fields, you get the modern Mississippi. The reduction of available channel area means that floods are much deeper than they were before everyone started building walls.
                  – Mark
                  37 mins ago















                Works fine if one city does it. If every city does it, and then embankments are used to protect the roads, and then farmers decide to protect their fields, you get the modern Mississippi. The reduction of available channel area means that floods are much deeper than they were before everyone started building walls.
                – Mark
                37 mins ago




                Works fine if one city does it. If every city does it, and then embankments are used to protect the roads, and then farmers decide to protect their fields, you get the modern Mississippi. The reduction of available channel area means that floods are much deeper than they were before everyone started building walls.
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                Build a top water limit for the river, like a roof.

                When the initial river overflows, at the river will contain always the same amount of water, while the overflow water will go somewhere else.

                You can even make the roof out of glas, so you have a modern view of the river



                Hope this helps:)






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                  Build a top water limit for the river, like a roof.

                  When the initial river overflows, at the river will contain always the same amount of water, while the overflow water will go somewhere else.

                  You can even make the roof out of glas, so you have a modern view of the river



                  Hope this helps:)






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                    up vote
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                    Build a top water limit for the river, like a roof.

                    When the initial river overflows, at the river will contain always the same amount of water, while the overflow water will go somewhere else.

                    You can even make the roof out of glas, so you have a modern view of the river



                    Hope this helps:)






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                    Build a top water limit for the river, like a roof.

                    When the initial river overflows, at the river will contain always the same amount of water, while the overflow water will go somewhere else.

                    You can even make the roof out of glas, so you have a modern view of the river



                    Hope this helps:)







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                        This actually pretty hard to do. Here's why: Water flows downstream. You need a difference in water level between upstream and downstream of your city. Flow through a pipe is essentially a rather complicated function - typically you use the Darcy Weissbach equation in combination with a Moody chart - of this level difference. Approximately, the head loss, or required level difference between upstream and downstream, quadruples when you double the flowrate.



                        In open flows like rivers the relationship is far more complicated because with higher flow rate the river bed or channel is usually filled more, which means less then quadruple head loss for double flow rate. Open channel flow is not trivial but please read around a bit



                        What does this mean for your city?



                        Let's take one of the rivers from Kingledions answer, the Seine with low flow around 100 m³/s, average flow of 280 m³/s and extreme flow of 1280 m³/s



                        It's often a good idea to look at flow systems starting downstream. Let's say at average flow conditions you have a downstream water level of 50m above sea level. You city is 5 km across, really small. This calculator tells me, with an 8m diameter, 5km long pipe, my pressure loss is 72.445 Pa wich is equivalent to a head loss of 7.2 m. So my upstream reservoir level will be 57.2 m at average conditions.



                        Now, let's take the extreme flow, now I have 1513.962 Pa - 15m! We need a dike between our upstream reservoir that's 65m above sea level, and 7 m above the normal level of the lake or what have you. Actually more, because at extreme flows the downstream level will be higher too, by a few m!



                        I suggest a second channel or even third that's only opened at high flow events, also play around with the sizing of the pipes.



                        On the other hand, what happens at low flow? At normal flow, we have a flow velocity of 3.6 m/s . At low flow - 100 m³/s - the flow velocity is 1.3 m/s. The DWA-M 275 (An industrial code, Germany, for designing piping systems in wastewater treatemtn plants that I happebn to have open at the moment) advises a flow velocity of at least 2m/s for raw sewage. Why? Sedimentation! at lower flow velocities, sand etc. will sediment and remain in the pipe. In actuality I don't see this problem, because in all likelyhood your pipe will be the fastest streaming part of the river system.



                        Environmental impact assessment



                        The pipe will stop migrating fish, at least most of the time, from swimming upstream. This could seriously impact aquatic ecosystems along your river.






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                        • Also the intake works would probably need bar screens or similar to protect the pipes from large debris that might block them (trees etc), also to maybe safe people before they get sucked in, this would add to the head loss and introduce many additional engineering headaches.
                          – mart
                          1 hour ago














                        up vote
                        1
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                        This actually pretty hard to do. Here's why: Water flows downstream. You need a difference in water level between upstream and downstream of your city. Flow through a pipe is essentially a rather complicated function - typically you use the Darcy Weissbach equation in combination with a Moody chart - of this level difference. Approximately, the head loss, or required level difference between upstream and downstream, quadruples when you double the flowrate.



                        In open flows like rivers the relationship is far more complicated because with higher flow rate the river bed or channel is usually filled more, which means less then quadruple head loss for double flow rate. Open channel flow is not trivial but please read around a bit



                        What does this mean for your city?



                        Let's take one of the rivers from Kingledions answer, the Seine with low flow around 100 m³/s, average flow of 280 m³/s and extreme flow of 1280 m³/s



                        It's often a good idea to look at flow systems starting downstream. Let's say at average flow conditions you have a downstream water level of 50m above sea level. You city is 5 km across, really small. This calculator tells me, with an 8m diameter, 5km long pipe, my pressure loss is 72.445 Pa wich is equivalent to a head loss of 7.2 m. So my upstream reservoir level will be 57.2 m at average conditions.



                        Now, let's take the extreme flow, now I have 1513.962 Pa - 15m! We need a dike between our upstream reservoir that's 65m above sea level, and 7 m above the normal level of the lake or what have you. Actually more, because at extreme flows the downstream level will be higher too, by a few m!



                        I suggest a second channel or even third that's only opened at high flow events, also play around with the sizing of the pipes.



                        On the other hand, what happens at low flow? At normal flow, we have a flow velocity of 3.6 m/s . At low flow - 100 m³/s - the flow velocity is 1.3 m/s. The DWA-M 275 (An industrial code, Germany, for designing piping systems in wastewater treatemtn plants that I happebn to have open at the moment) advises a flow velocity of at least 2m/s for raw sewage. Why? Sedimentation! at lower flow velocities, sand etc. will sediment and remain in the pipe. In actuality I don't see this problem, because in all likelyhood your pipe will be the fastest streaming part of the river system.



                        Environmental impact assessment



                        The pipe will stop migrating fish, at least most of the time, from swimming upstream. This could seriously impact aquatic ecosystems along your river.






                        share|improve this answer




















                        • Also the intake works would probably need bar screens or similar to protect the pipes from large debris that might block them (trees etc), also to maybe safe people before they get sucked in, this would add to the head loss and introduce many additional engineering headaches.
                          – mart
                          1 hour ago












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                        up vote
                        1
                        down vote









                        This actually pretty hard to do. Here's why: Water flows downstream. You need a difference in water level between upstream and downstream of your city. Flow through a pipe is essentially a rather complicated function - typically you use the Darcy Weissbach equation in combination with a Moody chart - of this level difference. Approximately, the head loss, or required level difference between upstream and downstream, quadruples when you double the flowrate.



                        In open flows like rivers the relationship is far more complicated because with higher flow rate the river bed or channel is usually filled more, which means less then quadruple head loss for double flow rate. Open channel flow is not trivial but please read around a bit



                        What does this mean for your city?



                        Let's take one of the rivers from Kingledions answer, the Seine with low flow around 100 m³/s, average flow of 280 m³/s and extreme flow of 1280 m³/s



                        It's often a good idea to look at flow systems starting downstream. Let's say at average flow conditions you have a downstream water level of 50m above sea level. You city is 5 km across, really small. This calculator tells me, with an 8m diameter, 5km long pipe, my pressure loss is 72.445 Pa wich is equivalent to a head loss of 7.2 m. So my upstream reservoir level will be 57.2 m at average conditions.



                        Now, let's take the extreme flow, now I have 1513.962 Pa - 15m! We need a dike between our upstream reservoir that's 65m above sea level, and 7 m above the normal level of the lake or what have you. Actually more, because at extreme flows the downstream level will be higher too, by a few m!



                        I suggest a second channel or even third that's only opened at high flow events, also play around with the sizing of the pipes.



                        On the other hand, what happens at low flow? At normal flow, we have a flow velocity of 3.6 m/s . At low flow - 100 m³/s - the flow velocity is 1.3 m/s. The DWA-M 275 (An industrial code, Germany, for designing piping systems in wastewater treatemtn plants that I happebn to have open at the moment) advises a flow velocity of at least 2m/s for raw sewage. Why? Sedimentation! at lower flow velocities, sand etc. will sediment and remain in the pipe. In actuality I don't see this problem, because in all likelyhood your pipe will be the fastest streaming part of the river system.



                        Environmental impact assessment



                        The pipe will stop migrating fish, at least most of the time, from swimming upstream. This could seriously impact aquatic ecosystems along your river.






                        share|improve this answer












                        This actually pretty hard to do. Here's why: Water flows downstream. You need a difference in water level between upstream and downstream of your city. Flow through a pipe is essentially a rather complicated function - typically you use the Darcy Weissbach equation in combination with a Moody chart - of this level difference. Approximately, the head loss, or required level difference between upstream and downstream, quadruples when you double the flowrate.



                        In open flows like rivers the relationship is far more complicated because with higher flow rate the river bed or channel is usually filled more, which means less then quadruple head loss for double flow rate. Open channel flow is not trivial but please read around a bit



                        What does this mean for your city?



                        Let's take one of the rivers from Kingledions answer, the Seine with low flow around 100 m³/s, average flow of 280 m³/s and extreme flow of 1280 m³/s



                        It's often a good idea to look at flow systems starting downstream. Let's say at average flow conditions you have a downstream water level of 50m above sea level. You city is 5 km across, really small. This calculator tells me, with an 8m diameter, 5km long pipe, my pressure loss is 72.445 Pa wich is equivalent to a head loss of 7.2 m. So my upstream reservoir level will be 57.2 m at average conditions.



                        Now, let's take the extreme flow, now I have 1513.962 Pa - 15m! We need a dike between our upstream reservoir that's 65m above sea level, and 7 m above the normal level of the lake or what have you. Actually more, because at extreme flows the downstream level will be higher too, by a few m!



                        I suggest a second channel or even third that's only opened at high flow events, also play around with the sizing of the pipes.



                        On the other hand, what happens at low flow? At normal flow, we have a flow velocity of 3.6 m/s . At low flow - 100 m³/s - the flow velocity is 1.3 m/s. The DWA-M 275 (An industrial code, Germany, for designing piping systems in wastewater treatemtn plants that I happebn to have open at the moment) advises a flow velocity of at least 2m/s for raw sewage. Why? Sedimentation! at lower flow velocities, sand etc. will sediment and remain in the pipe. In actuality I don't see this problem, because in all likelyhood your pipe will be the fastest streaming part of the river system.



                        Environmental impact assessment



                        The pipe will stop migrating fish, at least most of the time, from swimming upstream. This could seriously impact aquatic ecosystems along your river.







                        share|improve this answer












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                        • Also the intake works would probably need bar screens or similar to protect the pipes from large debris that might block them (trees etc), also to maybe safe people before they get sucked in, this would add to the head loss and introduce many additional engineering headaches.
                          – mart
                          1 hour ago
















                        • Also the intake works would probably need bar screens or similar to protect the pipes from large debris that might block them (trees etc), also to maybe safe people before they get sucked in, this would add to the head loss and introduce many additional engineering headaches.
                          – mart
                          1 hour ago















                        Also the intake works would probably need bar screens or similar to protect the pipes from large debris that might block them (trees etc), also to maybe safe people before they get sucked in, this would add to the head loss and introduce many additional engineering headaches.
                        – mart
                        1 hour ago




                        Also the intake works would probably need bar screens or similar to protect the pipes from large debris that might block them (trees etc), also to maybe safe people before they get sucked in, this would add to the head loss and introduce many additional engineering headaches.
                        – mart
                        1 hour ago










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                        The easiest solution is to build your city where existing geography supports your goals. The most obvious (and extreme) example of an overflow-proof river on Earth would be the Grand Canyon in the Southwestern United States. With the walls of the canyon rising an average of 670 meters above the river bed, there’s no chance of it overflowing a hypothetical city built above it.



                        You’d want something similar, though probably not as extreme - a river cutting through (and eroding) hard rocks to create high, nearly vertical canyon walls that prevent overflow. The specific rocks and age of the river would determine how high the canyon walls are, so adjust as desired. It took the Grand Canyon anywhere between 6 and 70 million years (depending on who you ask) to develop into its current state, so adjust your time scale as necessary and you’ll get what you want.






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                          The easiest solution is to build your city where existing geography supports your goals. The most obvious (and extreme) example of an overflow-proof river on Earth would be the Grand Canyon in the Southwestern United States. With the walls of the canyon rising an average of 670 meters above the river bed, there’s no chance of it overflowing a hypothetical city built above it.



                          You’d want something similar, though probably not as extreme - a river cutting through (and eroding) hard rocks to create high, nearly vertical canyon walls that prevent overflow. The specific rocks and age of the river would determine how high the canyon walls are, so adjust as desired. It took the Grand Canyon anywhere between 6 and 70 million years (depending on who you ask) to develop into its current state, so adjust your time scale as necessary and you’ll get what you want.






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                            The easiest solution is to build your city where existing geography supports your goals. The most obvious (and extreme) example of an overflow-proof river on Earth would be the Grand Canyon in the Southwestern United States. With the walls of the canyon rising an average of 670 meters above the river bed, there’s no chance of it overflowing a hypothetical city built above it.



                            You’d want something similar, though probably not as extreme - a river cutting through (and eroding) hard rocks to create high, nearly vertical canyon walls that prevent overflow. The specific rocks and age of the river would determine how high the canyon walls are, so adjust as desired. It took the Grand Canyon anywhere between 6 and 70 million years (depending on who you ask) to develop into its current state, so adjust your time scale as necessary and you’ll get what you want.






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                            The easiest solution is to build your city where existing geography supports your goals. The most obvious (and extreme) example of an overflow-proof river on Earth would be the Grand Canyon in the Southwestern United States. With the walls of the canyon rising an average of 670 meters above the river bed, there’s no chance of it overflowing a hypothetical city built above it.



                            You’d want something similar, though probably not as extreme - a river cutting through (and eroding) hard rocks to create high, nearly vertical canyon walls that prevent overflow. The specific rocks and age of the river would determine how high the canyon walls are, so adjust as desired. It took the Grand Canyon anywhere between 6 and 70 million years (depending on who you ask) to develop into its current state, so adjust your time scale as necessary and you’ll get what you want.







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