Just started a postdoc, but it went REALLY bad, REALLY fast. Stay or go?

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I just started my 2-yr postdoc, but things have gone sour really fast. So, I really need some career advice as to what to do.
Over several months, I did the interviews with the supervisor and the lab and things seems to be really great (although I got a strange feeling that the lab members were trying to deter me from joining, see below).
I joined the lab last week, and the condition of the lab and the equipment was really poor (but the supervisor said it was great...), but I got along with the supervisor and the lab great. However, this week took a turn for the worse. My supervisor has been vicious with me and we have had some intense fights almost everyday this week. The other members of the lab said that is the supervisor is normally abusive and they are not on great terms with her either. As I said, I met with these postdocs via Skype over the summer and I felt that there were trying to warn me not to join the lab, and today they confessed that this was true. I heard several horror stories about the supervisor after telling them about my fights with the boss.



I am concerned about the supervisor and more concerned that this is not going to help my career at all since the mentoring by this supervisor is quite poor quality (this is how the other postdocs feel after being there for almost 2 years. They are leaving immediately after that). She has promised a good work environment, additional pay to the NIH base pay, flexible time off and great equipment, but all of this is not true. The other postdocs confirmed that this happened to them too. Basically, this supervisor promises a lot of things and does not deliver.



So with all of that being said, is it wise for me to leave ASAP and look for a better opportunity OR is it best to stay put and complete the 2-year postdoc (or most of it). I don't favor leaving a job this soon and would rather give things a chance, but this place has been extremely BAD. Furthermore, the lab members feel that this is not a good workplace and confirm that the behavior of the supervisor will continue (they have their reasons for staying, but really regret joining). For these reasons, I don't feel staying is beneficial to be perfectly honest.



I would rather not have to ask for advice about this, but I am in an uncomfortable situation and any advice is extremely appreciated. Hopefully I expressed this clearly...I'm kind of a mess right now.










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  • Good question Thomas. To clarify, I was not sure that they were warning me away at the time. It wasn't implied to stay away strongly enough to get the message quite frankly. Honestly, I thought I was being paranoid since I'm a bit neurotic anyhow. But I found out that they were warning me away after I arrived.
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I just started my 2-yr postdoc, but things have gone sour really fast. So, I really need some career advice as to what to do.
Over several months, I did the interviews with the supervisor and the lab and things seems to be really great (although I got a strange feeling that the lab members were trying to deter me from joining, see below).
I joined the lab last week, and the condition of the lab and the equipment was really poor (but the supervisor said it was great...), but I got along with the supervisor and the lab great. However, this week took a turn for the worse. My supervisor has been vicious with me and we have had some intense fights almost everyday this week. The other members of the lab said that is the supervisor is normally abusive and they are not on great terms with her either. As I said, I met with these postdocs via Skype over the summer and I felt that there were trying to warn me not to join the lab, and today they confessed that this was true. I heard several horror stories about the supervisor after telling them about my fights with the boss.



I am concerned about the supervisor and more concerned that this is not going to help my career at all since the mentoring by this supervisor is quite poor quality (this is how the other postdocs feel after being there for almost 2 years. They are leaving immediately after that). She has promised a good work environment, additional pay to the NIH base pay, flexible time off and great equipment, but all of this is not true. The other postdocs confirmed that this happened to them too. Basically, this supervisor promises a lot of things and does not deliver.



So with all of that being said, is it wise for me to leave ASAP and look for a better opportunity OR is it best to stay put and complete the 2-year postdoc (or most of it). I don't favor leaving a job this soon and would rather give things a chance, but this place has been extremely BAD. Furthermore, the lab members feel that this is not a good workplace and confirm that the behavior of the supervisor will continue (they have their reasons for staying, but really regret joining). For these reasons, I don't feel staying is beneficial to be perfectly honest.



I would rather not have to ask for advice about this, but I am in an uncomfortable situation and any advice is extremely appreciated. Hopefully I expressed this clearly...I'm kind of a mess right now.










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  • Why did you join the lab if the current postdocs were warning you away? If you have alternatives, go.
    – Thomas
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  • Good question Thomas. To clarify, I was not sure that they were warning me away at the time. It wasn't implied to stay away strongly enough to get the message quite frankly. Honestly, I thought I was being paranoid since I'm a bit neurotic anyhow. But I found out that they were warning me away after I arrived.
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I just started my 2-yr postdoc, but things have gone sour really fast. So, I really need some career advice as to what to do.
Over several months, I did the interviews with the supervisor and the lab and things seems to be really great (although I got a strange feeling that the lab members were trying to deter me from joining, see below).
I joined the lab last week, and the condition of the lab and the equipment was really poor (but the supervisor said it was great...), but I got along with the supervisor and the lab great. However, this week took a turn for the worse. My supervisor has been vicious with me and we have had some intense fights almost everyday this week. The other members of the lab said that is the supervisor is normally abusive and they are not on great terms with her either. As I said, I met with these postdocs via Skype over the summer and I felt that there were trying to warn me not to join the lab, and today they confessed that this was true. I heard several horror stories about the supervisor after telling them about my fights with the boss.



I am concerned about the supervisor and more concerned that this is not going to help my career at all since the mentoring by this supervisor is quite poor quality (this is how the other postdocs feel after being there for almost 2 years. They are leaving immediately after that). She has promised a good work environment, additional pay to the NIH base pay, flexible time off and great equipment, but all of this is not true. The other postdocs confirmed that this happened to them too. Basically, this supervisor promises a lot of things and does not deliver.



So with all of that being said, is it wise for me to leave ASAP and look for a better opportunity OR is it best to stay put and complete the 2-year postdoc (or most of it). I don't favor leaving a job this soon and would rather give things a chance, but this place has been extremely BAD. Furthermore, the lab members feel that this is not a good workplace and confirm that the behavior of the supervisor will continue (they have their reasons for staying, but really regret joining). For these reasons, I don't feel staying is beneficial to be perfectly honest.



I would rather not have to ask for advice about this, but I am in an uncomfortable situation and any advice is extremely appreciated. Hopefully I expressed this clearly...I'm kind of a mess right now.










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I just started my 2-yr postdoc, but things have gone sour really fast. So, I really need some career advice as to what to do.
Over several months, I did the interviews with the supervisor and the lab and things seems to be really great (although I got a strange feeling that the lab members were trying to deter me from joining, see below).
I joined the lab last week, and the condition of the lab and the equipment was really poor (but the supervisor said it was great...), but I got along with the supervisor and the lab great. However, this week took a turn for the worse. My supervisor has been vicious with me and we have had some intense fights almost everyday this week. The other members of the lab said that is the supervisor is normally abusive and they are not on great terms with her either. As I said, I met with these postdocs via Skype over the summer and I felt that there were trying to warn me not to join the lab, and today they confessed that this was true. I heard several horror stories about the supervisor after telling them about my fights with the boss.



I am concerned about the supervisor and more concerned that this is not going to help my career at all since the mentoring by this supervisor is quite poor quality (this is how the other postdocs feel after being there for almost 2 years. They are leaving immediately after that). She has promised a good work environment, additional pay to the NIH base pay, flexible time off and great equipment, but all of this is not true. The other postdocs confirmed that this happened to them too. Basically, this supervisor promises a lot of things and does not deliver.



So with all of that being said, is it wise for me to leave ASAP and look for a better opportunity OR is it best to stay put and complete the 2-year postdoc (or most of it). I don't favor leaving a job this soon and would rather give things a chance, but this place has been extremely BAD. Furthermore, the lab members feel that this is not a good workplace and confirm that the behavior of the supervisor will continue (they have their reasons for staying, but really regret joining). For these reasons, I don't feel staying is beneficial to be perfectly honest.



I would rather not have to ask for advice about this, but I am in an uncomfortable situation and any advice is extremely appreciated. Hopefully I expressed this clearly...I'm kind of a mess right now.







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    You already know what to do. Don’t walk. Run.
    – JeffE
    1 hour ago










  • Why did you join the lab if the current postdocs were warning you away? If you have alternatives, go.
    – Thomas
    20 mins ago










  • Good question Thomas. To clarify, I was not sure that they were warning me away at the time. It wasn't implied to stay away strongly enough to get the message quite frankly. Honestly, I thought I was being paranoid since I'm a bit neurotic anyhow. But I found out that they were warning me away after I arrived.
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    You already know what to do. Don’t walk. Run.
    – JeffE
    1 hour ago










  • Why did you join the lab if the current postdocs were warning you away? If you have alternatives, go.
    – Thomas
    20 mins ago










  • Good question Thomas. To clarify, I was not sure that they were warning me away at the time. It wasn't implied to stay away strongly enough to get the message quite frankly. Honestly, I thought I was being paranoid since I'm a bit neurotic anyhow. But I found out that they were warning me away after I arrived.
    – RH88
    16 mins ago







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You already know what to do. Don’t walk. Run.
– JeffE
1 hour ago




You already know what to do. Don’t walk. Run.
– JeffE
1 hour ago












Why did you join the lab if the current postdocs were warning you away? If you have alternatives, go.
– Thomas
20 mins ago




Why did you join the lab if the current postdocs were warning you away? If you have alternatives, go.
– Thomas
20 mins ago












Good question Thomas. To clarify, I was not sure that they were warning me away at the time. It wasn't implied to stay away strongly enough to get the message quite frankly. Honestly, I thought I was being paranoid since I'm a bit neurotic anyhow. But I found out that they were warning me away after I arrived.
– RH88
16 mins ago




Good question Thomas. To clarify, I was not sure that they were warning me away at the time. It wasn't implied to stay away strongly enough to get the message quite frankly. Honestly, I thought I was being paranoid since I'm a bit neurotic anyhow. But I found out that they were warning me away after I arrived.
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With all else the same, given an choice between staying in a bad situation that cannot be resolved or leaving it, the decision is easy.



Of course, all is never exactly the same. When the balance is uneven, I hold at the point where you are that following your passions and desire for healthy growth is the most important factor. You will end up later in situations where you absolutely cannot leave and therefore must resolve the issues or let go.



As you weigh the various concerns, realize that you owe the lab only the respect that you will never be dishonest. The promptly, professionally delivered statement that "I am leaving because this is not the fit that I really wanted" is all that is required at the end of the day.






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    You have a right to your own happiness. Further, nobody else is responsible for it.



    If you don't leave, you'll be miserable for 2 years. A poor postdoc now might also damage your future career, although probably not fatally. Are you OK with that? If so, by all means stay; otherwise, nobody is going to intervene to improve the equipment in the lab, make your supervisor less abusive, make you happy, etc.



    In the end it's your decision to make, but I would strongly incline towards leaving.






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      The quicker you leave the easier it will be for everyone. A postdoc position is usually a transitional stage which isn’t good, overall. Thus, don’t waste your time on one which is already gone bad.



      There are professors looking for postdocs by the dozens. Spend all resources and time you can muster in networking , and try to avoid your predatory supervisor. You don’t owe this person anything.



      When you got all contacts you need for the best, take your time at home packing, and then let them know you’re leaving. Probably your supervisor will be taken aback (usually postdocs are desperate and will just accept any abuse) and show nicer faces. Don’t fall for apologetic rhetoric, and just move on. Make sure you make good friends with your labmates, ad they’re probably good fellas.



      Good luck!






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        With all else the same, given an choice between staying in a bad situation that cannot be resolved or leaving it, the decision is easy.



        Of course, all is never exactly the same. When the balance is uneven, I hold at the point where you are that following your passions and desire for healthy growth is the most important factor. You will end up later in situations where you absolutely cannot leave and therefore must resolve the issues or let go.



        As you weigh the various concerns, realize that you owe the lab only the respect that you will never be dishonest. The promptly, professionally delivered statement that "I am leaving because this is not the fit that I really wanted" is all that is required at the end of the day.






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          With all else the same, given an choice between staying in a bad situation that cannot be resolved or leaving it, the decision is easy.



          Of course, all is never exactly the same. When the balance is uneven, I hold at the point where you are that following your passions and desire for healthy growth is the most important factor. You will end up later in situations where you absolutely cannot leave and therefore must resolve the issues or let go.



          As you weigh the various concerns, realize that you owe the lab only the respect that you will never be dishonest. The promptly, professionally delivered statement that "I am leaving because this is not the fit that I really wanted" is all that is required at the end of the day.






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            With all else the same, given an choice between staying in a bad situation that cannot be resolved or leaving it, the decision is easy.



            Of course, all is never exactly the same. When the balance is uneven, I hold at the point where you are that following your passions and desire for healthy growth is the most important factor. You will end up later in situations where you absolutely cannot leave and therefore must resolve the issues or let go.



            As you weigh the various concerns, realize that you owe the lab only the respect that you will never be dishonest. The promptly, professionally delivered statement that "I am leaving because this is not the fit that I really wanted" is all that is required at the end of the day.






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            With all else the same, given an choice between staying in a bad situation that cannot be resolved or leaving it, the decision is easy.



            Of course, all is never exactly the same. When the balance is uneven, I hold at the point where you are that following your passions and desire for healthy growth is the most important factor. You will end up later in situations where you absolutely cannot leave and therefore must resolve the issues or let go.



            As you weigh the various concerns, realize that you owe the lab only the respect that you will never be dishonest. The promptly, professionally delivered statement that "I am leaving because this is not the fit that I really wanted" is all that is required at the end of the day.







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                You have a right to your own happiness. Further, nobody else is responsible for it.



                If you don't leave, you'll be miserable for 2 years. A poor postdoc now might also damage your future career, although probably not fatally. Are you OK with that? If so, by all means stay; otherwise, nobody is going to intervene to improve the equipment in the lab, make your supervisor less abusive, make you happy, etc.



                In the end it's your decision to make, but I would strongly incline towards leaving.






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                  You have a right to your own happiness. Further, nobody else is responsible for it.



                  If you don't leave, you'll be miserable for 2 years. A poor postdoc now might also damage your future career, although probably not fatally. Are you OK with that? If so, by all means stay; otherwise, nobody is going to intervene to improve the equipment in the lab, make your supervisor less abusive, make you happy, etc.



                  In the end it's your decision to make, but I would strongly incline towards leaving.






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                    You have a right to your own happiness. Further, nobody else is responsible for it.



                    If you don't leave, you'll be miserable for 2 years. A poor postdoc now might also damage your future career, although probably not fatally. Are you OK with that? If so, by all means stay; otherwise, nobody is going to intervene to improve the equipment in the lab, make your supervisor less abusive, make you happy, etc.



                    In the end it's your decision to make, but I would strongly incline towards leaving.






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                    You have a right to your own happiness. Further, nobody else is responsible for it.



                    If you don't leave, you'll be miserable for 2 years. A poor postdoc now might also damage your future career, although probably not fatally. Are you OK with that? If so, by all means stay; otherwise, nobody is going to intervene to improve the equipment in the lab, make your supervisor less abusive, make you happy, etc.



                    In the end it's your decision to make, but I would strongly incline towards leaving.







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                        The quicker you leave the easier it will be for everyone. A postdoc position is usually a transitional stage which isn’t good, overall. Thus, don’t waste your time on one which is already gone bad.



                        There are professors looking for postdocs by the dozens. Spend all resources and time you can muster in networking , and try to avoid your predatory supervisor. You don’t owe this person anything.



                        When you got all contacts you need for the best, take your time at home packing, and then let them know you’re leaving. Probably your supervisor will be taken aback (usually postdocs are desperate and will just accept any abuse) and show nicer faces. Don’t fall for apologetic rhetoric, and just move on. Make sure you make good friends with your labmates, ad they’re probably good fellas.



                        Good luck!






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                          The quicker you leave the easier it will be for everyone. A postdoc position is usually a transitional stage which isn’t good, overall. Thus, don’t waste your time on one which is already gone bad.



                          There are professors looking for postdocs by the dozens. Spend all resources and time you can muster in networking , and try to avoid your predatory supervisor. You don’t owe this person anything.



                          When you got all contacts you need for the best, take your time at home packing, and then let them know you’re leaving. Probably your supervisor will be taken aback (usually postdocs are desperate and will just accept any abuse) and show nicer faces. Don’t fall for apologetic rhetoric, and just move on. Make sure you make good friends with your labmates, ad they’re probably good fellas.



                          Good luck!






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                            The quicker you leave the easier it will be for everyone. A postdoc position is usually a transitional stage which isn’t good, overall. Thus, don’t waste your time on one which is already gone bad.



                            There are professors looking for postdocs by the dozens. Spend all resources and time you can muster in networking , and try to avoid your predatory supervisor. You don’t owe this person anything.



                            When you got all contacts you need for the best, take your time at home packing, and then let them know you’re leaving. Probably your supervisor will be taken aback (usually postdocs are desperate and will just accept any abuse) and show nicer faces. Don’t fall for apologetic rhetoric, and just move on. Make sure you make good friends with your labmates, ad they’re probably good fellas.



                            Good luck!






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                            The quicker you leave the easier it will be for everyone. A postdoc position is usually a transitional stage which isn’t good, overall. Thus, don’t waste your time on one which is already gone bad.



                            There are professors looking for postdocs by the dozens. Spend all resources and time you can muster in networking , and try to avoid your predatory supervisor. You don’t owe this person anything.



                            When you got all contacts you need for the best, take your time at home packing, and then let them know you’re leaving. Probably your supervisor will be taken aback (usually postdocs are desperate and will just accept any abuse) and show nicer faces. Don’t fall for apologetic rhetoric, and just move on. Make sure you make good friends with your labmates, ad they’re probably good fellas.



                            Good luck!







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