Confusing sentence using ~ã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªã and other forms

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Note: I already reviewed many topics here regarding the use of ã‚Âã‘, but I still struggle to properly translate the sentence below. It's from the introduction to the book 日本語文法ãƒÂンドブック (a book for teachers of beginning Japanese grammar).
言ã†ã¾ã§もãªã„ã“ã¨ã§ã™ãÂŒã€Âç¾実ã®日本語ã«åˆÂ級ã¨ä¸Â・上級ã¨ã®区別ãÂΌÂ˜åœ¨ã—ã¦ã„るã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂã€ÂåˆÂ級ã®文法ã¨ã„ã†ã®ã¯ã€Âã„ã‚Âã°指導上ã®便宜的ãªè¨Â定ã§ã™。
Translating literally produces something like
"There's no need to explain it, but for real [actual-use] Japanese, it's not the case that distinctions between early and middle/advanced Japanese grammar exist, in other words early Japanese grammar is setting an expedient foundation [for teaching someone to learn]."
Which sounds like utter gibberish to me. The stumbling block is the phrase "åˆÂ級ã¨ä¸Â・上級ã¨ã®区別ãÂΌÂ˜åœ¨ã—ã¦ã„るã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂ". I would think "å˜在ã—ã¦ã„ãªã„ã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂ" makes more sense ("it's not the case that distinctions between different levels of grammar don't [already] exist"), but that's not what's used here.
What is a correct translation of the sentence above, especially in regards to the ~ã‚Âã‘ phrase?
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Note: I already reviewed many topics here regarding the use of ã‚Âã‘, but I still struggle to properly translate the sentence below. It's from the introduction to the book 日本語文法ãƒÂンドブック (a book for teachers of beginning Japanese grammar).
言ã†ã¾ã§もãªã„ã“ã¨ã§ã™ãÂŒã€Âç¾実ã®日本語ã«åˆÂ級ã¨ä¸Â・上級ã¨ã®区別ãÂΌÂ˜åœ¨ã—ã¦ã„るã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂã€ÂåˆÂ級ã®文法ã¨ã„ã†ã®ã¯ã€Âã„ã‚Âã°指導上ã®便宜的ãªè¨Â定ã§ã™。
Translating literally produces something like
"There's no need to explain it, but for real [actual-use] Japanese, it's not the case that distinctions between early and middle/advanced Japanese grammar exist, in other words early Japanese grammar is setting an expedient foundation [for teaching someone to learn]."
Which sounds like utter gibberish to me. The stumbling block is the phrase "åˆÂ級ã¨ä¸Â・上級ã¨ã®区別ãÂΌÂ˜åœ¨ã—ã¦ã„るã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂ". I would think "å˜在ã—ã¦ã„ãªã„ã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂ" makes more sense ("it's not the case that distinctions between different levels of grammar don't [already] exist"), but that's not what's used here.
What is a correct translation of the sentence above, especially in regards to the ~ã‚Âã‘ phrase?
grammar translation meaning word-choice usage
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Note: I already reviewed many topics here regarding the use of ã‚Âã‘, but I still struggle to properly translate the sentence below. It's from the introduction to the book 日本語文法ãƒÂンドブック (a book for teachers of beginning Japanese grammar).
言ã†ã¾ã§もãªã„ã“ã¨ã§ã™ãÂŒã€Âç¾実ã®日本語ã«åˆÂ級ã¨ä¸Â・上級ã¨ã®区別ãÂΌÂ˜åœ¨ã—ã¦ã„るã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂã€ÂåˆÂ級ã®文法ã¨ã„ã†ã®ã¯ã€Âã„ã‚Âã°指導上ã®便宜的ãªè¨Â定ã§ã™。
Translating literally produces something like
"There's no need to explain it, but for real [actual-use] Japanese, it's not the case that distinctions between early and middle/advanced Japanese grammar exist, in other words early Japanese grammar is setting an expedient foundation [for teaching someone to learn]."
Which sounds like utter gibberish to me. The stumbling block is the phrase "åˆÂ級ã¨ä¸Â・上級ã¨ã®区別ãÂΌÂ˜åœ¨ã—ã¦ã„るã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂ". I would think "å˜在ã—ã¦ã„ãªã„ã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂ" makes more sense ("it's not the case that distinctions between different levels of grammar don't [already] exist"), but that's not what's used here.
What is a correct translation of the sentence above, especially in regards to the ~ã‚Âã‘ phrase?
grammar translation meaning word-choice usage
Note: I already reviewed many topics here regarding the use of ã‚Âã‘, but I still struggle to properly translate the sentence below. It's from the introduction to the book 日本語文法ãƒÂンドブック (a book for teachers of beginning Japanese grammar).
言ã†ã¾ã§もãªã„ã“ã¨ã§ã™ãÂŒã€Âç¾実ã®日本語ã«åˆÂ級ã¨ä¸Â・上級ã¨ã®区別ãÂΌÂ˜åœ¨ã—ã¦ã„るã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂã€ÂåˆÂ級ã®文法ã¨ã„ã†ã®ã¯ã€Âã„ã‚Âã°指導上ã®便宜的ãªè¨Â定ã§ã™。
Translating literally produces something like
"There's no need to explain it, but for real [actual-use] Japanese, it's not the case that distinctions between early and middle/advanced Japanese grammar exist, in other words early Japanese grammar is setting an expedient foundation [for teaching someone to learn]."
Which sounds like utter gibberish to me. The stumbling block is the phrase "åˆÂ級ã¨ä¸Â・上級ã¨ã®区別ãÂΌÂ˜åœ¨ã—ã¦ã„るã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂ". I would think "å˜在ã—ã¦ã„ãªã„ã‚Âã‘ã§ã¯ãªãÂÂ" makes more sense ("it's not the case that distinctions between different levels of grammar don't [already] exist"), but that's not what's used here.
What is a correct translation of the sentence above, especially in regards to the ~ã‚Âã‘ phrase?
grammar translation meaning word-choice usage
grammar translation meaning word-choice usage
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Read it again -- the author is saying that there are no distinctions between "beginner / intermediate / advanced" in the real world of actually-spoken Japanese. Same for any language. Such distinctions are convenient fictions created for the purpose of taking a vastly complicated system -- a language -- and divvying it up into manageable pieces for purposes of learning and instruction.
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Ah, that makes complete sense. Thanks for clearing it up.
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
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Read it again -- the author is saying that there are no distinctions between "beginner / intermediate / advanced" in the real world of actually-spoken Japanese. Same for any language. Such distinctions are convenient fictions created for the purpose of taking a vastly complicated system -- a language -- and divvying it up into manageable pieces for purposes of learning and instruction.
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Ah, that makes complete sense. Thanks for clearing it up.
– Hikonyan
19 mins ago
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3
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Read it again -- the author is saying that there are no distinctions between "beginner / intermediate / advanced" in the real world of actually-spoken Japanese. Same for any language. Such distinctions are convenient fictions created for the purpose of taking a vastly complicated system -- a language -- and divvying it up into manageable pieces for purposes of learning and instruction.
1
Ah, that makes complete sense. Thanks for clearing it up.
– Hikonyan
19 mins ago
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up vote
3
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up vote
3
down vote
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Read it again -- the author is saying that there are no distinctions between "beginner / intermediate / advanced" in the real world of actually-spoken Japanese. Same for any language. Such distinctions are convenient fictions created for the purpose of taking a vastly complicated system -- a language -- and divvying it up into manageable pieces for purposes of learning and instruction.
Read it again -- the author is saying that there are no distinctions between "beginner / intermediate / advanced" in the real world of actually-spoken Japanese. Same for any language. Such distinctions are convenient fictions created for the purpose of taking a vastly complicated system -- a language -- and divvying it up into manageable pieces for purposes of learning and instruction.
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Ah, that makes complete sense. Thanks for clearing it up.
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Ah, that makes complete sense. Thanks for clearing it up.
– Hikonyan
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Ah, that makes complete sense. Thanks for clearing it up.
– Hikonyan
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Ah, that makes complete sense. Thanks for clearing it up.
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