First order non linear ODE with Bernoulli

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I have a problem with this equation: $ y'(x)-xy(x)=-xy^4(x) $ with initial condition $ y(x_0)=y_0$.
I'm arrived to prove that $ y_0= (Ce^-frac32x_0^2+1)^-3 $ but now i can't move on. Moreover, WolframAlpha's solution is next to impossible…



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  • You may set $z=y^-3$.
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  • Do you mean you cannot solve for $C$ ?
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  • it's exponent $-1/3$ not $-3$ since we have that$$y(x)=frac 1 (Ke^-3x^2/2+1)^1/3$$
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I have a problem with this equation: $ y'(x)-xy(x)=-xy^4(x) $ with initial condition $ y(x_0)=y_0$.
I'm arrived to prove that $ y_0= (Ce^-frac32x_0^2+1)^-3 $ but now i can't move on. Moreover, WolframAlpha's solution is next to impossible…



Thanks for any help!










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  • it's exponent $-1/3$ not $-3$ since we have that$$y(x)=frac 1 (Ke^-3x^2/2+1)^1/3$$
    – Isham
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I have a problem with this equation: $ y'(x)-xy(x)=-xy^4(x) $ with initial condition $ y(x_0)=y_0$.
I'm arrived to prove that $ y_0= (Ce^-frac32x_0^2+1)^-3 $ but now i can't move on. Moreover, WolframAlpha's solution is next to impossible…



Thanks for any help!










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I have a problem with this equation: $ y'(x)-xy(x)=-xy^4(x) $ with initial condition $ y(x_0)=y_0$.
I'm arrived to prove that $ y_0= (Ce^-frac32x_0^2+1)^-3 $ but now i can't move on. Moreover, WolframAlpha's solution is next to impossible…



Thanks for any help!







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  • You may set $z=y^-3$.
    – dmtri
    Sep 22 at 14:13










  • Do you mean you cannot solve for $C$ ?
    – dmtri
    Sep 22 at 14:13










  • it's exponent $-1/3$ not $-3$ since we have that$$y(x)=frac 1 (Ke^-3x^2/2+1)^1/3$$
    – Isham
    Sep 22 at 14:14

















  • You may set $z=y^-3$.
    – dmtri
    Sep 22 at 14:13










  • Do you mean you cannot solve for $C$ ?
    – dmtri
    Sep 22 at 14:13










  • it's exponent $-1/3$ not $-3$ since we have that$$y(x)=frac 1 (Ke^-3x^2/2+1)^1/3$$
    – Isham
    Sep 22 at 14:14
















You may set $z=y^-3$.
– dmtri
Sep 22 at 14:13




You may set $z=y^-3$.
– dmtri
Sep 22 at 14:13












Do you mean you cannot solve for $C$ ?
– dmtri
Sep 22 at 14:13




Do you mean you cannot solve for $C$ ?
– dmtri
Sep 22 at 14:13












it's exponent $-1/3$ not $-3$ since we have that$$y(x)=frac 1 (Ke^-3x^2/2+1)^1/3$$
– Isham
Sep 22 at 14:14





it's exponent $-1/3$ not $-3$ since we have that$$y(x)=frac 1 (Ke^-3x^2/2+1)^1/3$$
– Isham
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Hint: Write this as $$fracy'(x)y(x)-y(x)^4=x$$






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    Let us solve the Bernoulli differential equation $$y'(x)-xy(x)=-xy(x)^4$$ with initial condition $y (x_0)=y_0$. Dividing by $y^4$ and setting $u=y^-3$, we have the linear ODE
    $$
    frac13 u'(x)+xu(x) = x
    $$
    with initial condition $u (x_0)=y_0^-3$. The solution obtained by integrating factor reads
    beginaligned
    u(x) &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + 3 int_x_0^x t e^3t^2/2 ,text d t right) \
    &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + e^3x^2/2 - e^3x_0^2/2 right) ,
    endaligned
    from which one deduces $y=u^-1/3$.






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      Substitute $z=1/y^3$
      $$z'+3xz=3x$$
      Tis equation is separable
      $$z'=3x(1-z)$$
      $$int frac dz1-z=frac 32x^2+C$$
      $$-ln (z-1)=frac 32x^2+C$$
      $$implies y^3(x)=frac 1 Ke^-3x^2/2+1$$




      Therefore
      $$y_0^3=frac 1 Ke^-3x_0^2/2+1$$
      $$Ke^-3x_0^2/2=frac 1 y_0^3-1$$
      $$K=left (frac 1 y_0^3-1 right)e^3x_0^2/2$$






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      • So the final result is $y=frac1[(frac1y_0^3-1)e^-frac32x^2]e^-frac32x^2+1$?
        – Marco Pittella
        Sep 22 at 14:43










      • @marco dont forget the exponent $1/3$ and you can also write $e^-3/2(x^2+x_0^2)$
        – Isham
        Sep 22 at 15:11


















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      We have $$C=e^frac3x_0^22(y_0^-1/3-1)$$






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        To reach a better understanding of my problem, i will write all the passages.



        $fracy^'y^4=fracxyy^3-xrightarrow fracy^'y^4=xy^-3-x$



        Now i put $z=y^-3rightarrow z^'=-3xz+3x$.



        $y_0(x)=Ce^A(x)rightarrow A(x)=int -3xdx=-frac32x^2rightarrow y_0(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2$



        $y_p(x)=e^A(x)B(x)rightarrow B(x)=int -3xcdot e^A(x)dx=int -3xcdot e^frac32x^2dx$



        Now i put $frac32x^2=trightarrow dt=3xdxrightarrow dx=fracdx3x$



        Since $int -3xe^tfracdt3x=-e^frac32x^2rightarrow y_px=1$, i obtain $y(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2+1$. But since $y^-3=z$...the result that i wrote.






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        • the notation is a bit confusing...Dont write y when you are solving for z... Once you made the substitution you have an equation with a function z and a variable x. Apart from this it looks correct to me
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        Hint: Write this as $$fracy'(x)y(x)-y(x)^4=x$$






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                Let us solve the Bernoulli differential equation $$y'(x)-xy(x)=-xy(x)^4$$ with initial condition $y (x_0)=y_0$. Dividing by $y^4$ and setting $u=y^-3$, we have the linear ODE
                $$
                frac13 u'(x)+xu(x) = x
                $$
                with initial condition $u (x_0)=y_0^-3$. The solution obtained by integrating factor reads
                beginaligned
                u(x) &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + 3 int_x_0^x t e^3t^2/2 ,text d t right) \
                &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + e^3x^2/2 - e^3x_0^2/2 right) ,
                endaligned
                from which one deduces $y=u^-1/3$.






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                  Let us solve the Bernoulli differential equation $$y'(x)-xy(x)=-xy(x)^4$$ with initial condition $y (x_0)=y_0$. Dividing by $y^4$ and setting $u=y^-3$, we have the linear ODE
                  $$
                  frac13 u'(x)+xu(x) = x
                  $$
                  with initial condition $u (x_0)=y_0^-3$. The solution obtained by integrating factor reads
                  beginaligned
                  u(x) &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + 3 int_x_0^x t e^3t^2/2 ,text d t right) \
                  &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + e^3x^2/2 - e^3x_0^2/2 right) ,
                  endaligned
                  from which one deduces $y=u^-1/3$.






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                    Let us solve the Bernoulli differential equation $$y'(x)-xy(x)=-xy(x)^4$$ with initial condition $y (x_0)=y_0$. Dividing by $y^4$ and setting $u=y^-3$, we have the linear ODE
                    $$
                    frac13 u'(x)+xu(x) = x
                    $$
                    with initial condition $u (x_0)=y_0^-3$. The solution obtained by integrating factor reads
                    beginaligned
                    u(x) &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + 3 int_x_0^x t e^3t^2/2 ,text d t right) \
                    &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + e^3x^2/2 - e^3x_0^2/2 right) ,
                    endaligned
                    from which one deduces $y=u^-1/3$.






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                    Let us solve the Bernoulli differential equation $$y'(x)-xy(x)=-xy(x)^4$$ with initial condition $y (x_0)=y_0$. Dividing by $y^4$ and setting $u=y^-3$, we have the linear ODE
                    $$
                    frac13 u'(x)+xu(x) = x
                    $$
                    with initial condition $u (x_0)=y_0^-3$. The solution obtained by integrating factor reads
                    beginaligned
                    u(x) &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + 3 int_x_0^x t e^3t^2/2 ,text d t right) \
                    &= e^-3 (x^2-x_0^2)/2 left(y_0^-3 + e^3x^2/2 - e^3x_0^2/2 right) ,
                    endaligned
                    from which one deduces $y=u^-1/3$.







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                        Substitute $z=1/y^3$
                        $$z'+3xz=3x$$
                        Tis equation is separable
                        $$z'=3x(1-z)$$
                        $$int frac dz1-z=frac 32x^2+C$$
                        $$-ln (z-1)=frac 32x^2+C$$
                        $$implies y^3(x)=frac 1 Ke^-3x^2/2+1$$




                        Therefore
                        $$y_0^3=frac 1 Ke^-3x_0^2/2+1$$
                        $$Ke^-3x_0^2/2=frac 1 y_0^3-1$$
                        $$K=left (frac 1 y_0^3-1 right)e^3x_0^2/2$$






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                        • So the final result is $y=frac1[(frac1y_0^3-1)e^-frac32x^2]e^-frac32x^2+1$?
                          – Marco Pittella
                          Sep 22 at 14:43










                        • @marco dont forget the exponent $1/3$ and you can also write $e^-3/2(x^2+x_0^2)$
                          – Isham
                          Sep 22 at 15:11















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                        Substitute $z=1/y^3$
                        $$z'+3xz=3x$$
                        Tis equation is separable
                        $$z'=3x(1-z)$$
                        $$int frac dz1-z=frac 32x^2+C$$
                        $$-ln (z-1)=frac 32x^2+C$$
                        $$implies y^3(x)=frac 1 Ke^-3x^2/2+1$$




                        Therefore
                        $$y_0^3=frac 1 Ke^-3x_0^2/2+1$$
                        $$Ke^-3x_0^2/2=frac 1 y_0^3-1$$
                        $$K=left (frac 1 y_0^3-1 right)e^3x_0^2/2$$






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                        • So the final result is $y=frac1[(frac1y_0^3-1)e^-frac32x^2]e^-frac32x^2+1$?
                          – Marco Pittella
                          Sep 22 at 14:43










                        • @marco dont forget the exponent $1/3$ and you can also write $e^-3/2(x^2+x_0^2)$
                          – Isham
                          Sep 22 at 15:11













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                        Substitute $z=1/y^3$
                        $$z'+3xz=3x$$
                        Tis equation is separable
                        $$z'=3x(1-z)$$
                        $$int frac dz1-z=frac 32x^2+C$$
                        $$-ln (z-1)=frac 32x^2+C$$
                        $$implies y^3(x)=frac 1 Ke^-3x^2/2+1$$




                        Therefore
                        $$y_0^3=frac 1 Ke^-3x_0^2/2+1$$
                        $$Ke^-3x_0^2/2=frac 1 y_0^3-1$$
                        $$K=left (frac 1 y_0^3-1 right)e^3x_0^2/2$$






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                        Substitute $z=1/y^3$
                        $$z'+3xz=3x$$
                        Tis equation is separable
                        $$z'=3x(1-z)$$
                        $$int frac dz1-z=frac 32x^2+C$$
                        $$-ln (z-1)=frac 32x^2+C$$
                        $$implies y^3(x)=frac 1 Ke^-3x^2/2+1$$




                        Therefore
                        $$y_0^3=frac 1 Ke^-3x_0^2/2+1$$
                        $$Ke^-3x_0^2/2=frac 1 y_0^3-1$$
                        $$K=left (frac 1 y_0^3-1 right)e^3x_0^2/2$$







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                        • So the final result is $y=frac1[(frac1y_0^3-1)e^-frac32x^2]e^-frac32x^2+1$?
                          – Marco Pittella
                          Sep 22 at 14:43










                        • @marco dont forget the exponent $1/3$ and you can also write $e^-3/2(x^2+x_0^2)$
                          – Isham
                          Sep 22 at 15:11

















                        • So the final result is $y=frac1[(frac1y_0^3-1)e^-frac32x^2]e^-frac32x^2+1$?
                          – Marco Pittella
                          Sep 22 at 14:43










                        • @marco dont forget the exponent $1/3$ and you can also write $e^-3/2(x^2+x_0^2)$
                          – Isham
                          Sep 22 at 15:11
















                        So the final result is $y=frac1[(frac1y_0^3-1)e^-frac32x^2]e^-frac32x^2+1$?
                        – Marco Pittella
                        Sep 22 at 14:43




                        So the final result is $y=frac1[(frac1y_0^3-1)e^-frac32x^2]e^-frac32x^2+1$?
                        – Marco Pittella
                        Sep 22 at 14:43












                        @marco dont forget the exponent $1/3$ and you can also write $e^-3/2(x^2+x_0^2)$
                        – Isham
                        Sep 22 at 15:11





                        @marco dont forget the exponent $1/3$ and you can also write $e^-3/2(x^2+x_0^2)$
                        – Isham
                        Sep 22 at 15:11











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                        We have $$C=e^frac3x_0^22(y_0^-1/3-1)$$






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                          We have $$C=e^frac3x_0^22(y_0^-1/3-1)$$






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                            We have $$C=e^frac3x_0^22(y_0^-1/3-1)$$






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                                To reach a better understanding of my problem, i will write all the passages.



                                $fracy^'y^4=fracxyy^3-xrightarrow fracy^'y^4=xy^-3-x$



                                Now i put $z=y^-3rightarrow z^'=-3xz+3x$.



                                $y_0(x)=Ce^A(x)rightarrow A(x)=int -3xdx=-frac32x^2rightarrow y_0(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2$



                                $y_p(x)=e^A(x)B(x)rightarrow B(x)=int -3xcdot e^A(x)dx=int -3xcdot e^frac32x^2dx$



                                Now i put $frac32x^2=trightarrow dt=3xdxrightarrow dx=fracdx3x$



                                Since $int -3xe^tfracdt3x=-e^frac32x^2rightarrow y_px=1$, i obtain $y(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2+1$. But since $y^-3=z$...the result that i wrote.






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                                • the notation is a bit confusing...Dont write y when you are solving for z... Once you made the substitution you have an equation with a function z and a variable x. Apart from this it looks correct to me
                                  – Isham
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                                To reach a better understanding of my problem, i will write all the passages.



                                $fracy^'y^4=fracxyy^3-xrightarrow fracy^'y^4=xy^-3-x$



                                Now i put $z=y^-3rightarrow z^'=-3xz+3x$.



                                $y_0(x)=Ce^A(x)rightarrow A(x)=int -3xdx=-frac32x^2rightarrow y_0(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2$



                                $y_p(x)=e^A(x)B(x)rightarrow B(x)=int -3xcdot e^A(x)dx=int -3xcdot e^frac32x^2dx$



                                Now i put $frac32x^2=trightarrow dt=3xdxrightarrow dx=fracdx3x$



                                Since $int -3xe^tfracdt3x=-e^frac32x^2rightarrow y_px=1$, i obtain $y(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2+1$. But since $y^-3=z$...the result that i wrote.






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                                • the notation is a bit confusing...Dont write y when you are solving for z... Once you made the substitution you have an equation with a function z and a variable x. Apart from this it looks correct to me
                                  – Isham
                                  Sep 22 at 15:48













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                                To reach a better understanding of my problem, i will write all the passages.



                                $fracy^'y^4=fracxyy^3-xrightarrow fracy^'y^4=xy^-3-x$



                                Now i put $z=y^-3rightarrow z^'=-3xz+3x$.



                                $y_0(x)=Ce^A(x)rightarrow A(x)=int -3xdx=-frac32x^2rightarrow y_0(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2$



                                $y_p(x)=e^A(x)B(x)rightarrow B(x)=int -3xcdot e^A(x)dx=int -3xcdot e^frac32x^2dx$



                                Now i put $frac32x^2=trightarrow dt=3xdxrightarrow dx=fracdx3x$



                                Since $int -3xe^tfracdt3x=-e^frac32x^2rightarrow y_px=1$, i obtain $y(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2+1$. But since $y^-3=z$...the result that i wrote.






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                                To reach a better understanding of my problem, i will write all the passages.



                                $fracy^'y^4=fracxyy^3-xrightarrow fracy^'y^4=xy^-3-x$



                                Now i put $z=y^-3rightarrow z^'=-3xz+3x$.



                                $y_0(x)=Ce^A(x)rightarrow A(x)=int -3xdx=-frac32x^2rightarrow y_0(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2$



                                $y_p(x)=e^A(x)B(x)rightarrow B(x)=int -3xcdot e^A(x)dx=int -3xcdot e^frac32x^2dx$



                                Now i put $frac32x^2=trightarrow dt=3xdxrightarrow dx=fracdx3x$



                                Since $int -3xe^tfracdt3x=-e^frac32x^2rightarrow y_px=1$, i obtain $y(x)=Ce^-frac32x^2+1$. But since $y^-3=z$...the result that i wrote.







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                                • the notation is a bit confusing...Dont write y when you are solving for z... Once you made the substitution you have an equation with a function z and a variable x. Apart from this it looks correct to me
                                  – Isham
                                  Sep 22 at 15:48

















                                • the notation is a bit confusing...Dont write y when you are solving for z... Once you made the substitution you have an equation with a function z and a variable x. Apart from this it looks correct to me
                                  – Isham
                                  Sep 22 at 15:48
















                                the notation is a bit confusing...Dont write y when you are solving for z... Once you made the substitution you have an equation with a function z and a variable x. Apart from this it looks correct to me
                                – Isham
                                Sep 22 at 15:48





                                the notation is a bit confusing...Dont write y when you are solving for z... Once you made the substitution you have an equation with a function z and a variable x. Apart from this it looks correct to me
                                – Isham
                                Sep 22 at 15:48


















                                 

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